17:52:03 #startmeeting 17:52:03 Meeting started Mon Sep 26 17:52:03 2011 UTC. The chair is bmwiedemann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:52:03 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:52:25 #topic current Factory experience 17:52:42 #info current factory is not in an installable state, but upgrading to Factory from 11.4 or MS5 works well 17:52:49 At 12:02, tigerfoot was leaving to eat. 17:53:53 Do you want us to go in turn? 17:54:39 I'm using current factory on my netbook and my work desktop, plus an slightly older factory on my Notebook (as fallback) 17:55:18 found a wireless kernel bug and one in imagemagick (added test to openQA) - but most things work 17:55:38 done 17:56:33 I'm using current factory on a desktop, a notebook, and a netbook. 17:57:33 At first, I had problems with systemd, but those are now fixed or worked-around. The last problem was with sound. 17:58:16 The workaround was to add my user to the audio group - I don't know isf the underlying permissions problem is fixed. 17:59:38 I also had trouble with the KDE networkmanager applet not finding any devices. As a work around, I switched to Gnome's nm_applet. 18:01:03 That also has been mostly fixed. The KDE version still asks for the root password and the encryption secret too often indicating a policy problem, but it works. 18:02:22 I noticed the password popups when my WLAN AP went down 18:03:01 That should not happen. 18:03:30 Both the desktop and laptop have nVidia graphics devices. I'm not running standard kernels and I have KMS turned off. I need to test with nouveau. 18:04:17 I ran the LiveUSB on one Nvidia machine and it booted into X 18:04:30 The netbook has Intel i915 graphics. KMS works fine there. 18:04:34 Done. 18:04:45 back 18:04:51 * tigerfoot reading backlog 18:06:09 LWFinger: for the NM there's just an update today in KDF with fresh git 18:06:22 should fix my network icon too. 18:06:47 Otherwise the NM & polkit thing are mostly pain in ass. 18:07:34 I already have the latest from factory. Still has the problem. Agreed about the PITA. 18:07:37 I can check with lnussel on the topic 18:07:38 I don't want to put my normal user as admin, and then I've to enter root password when I connect a wifi (needed to update the last time use = stupid) then I have to put my kwallet password 18:07:51 which contain the wpa secret ... 18:08:30 same or even worse with modemmanager, it lock my sim card after three wrong pin code ... 18:09:06 no support for ipv6 information in status panel ... 18:09:15 I have not files a bug as I need to clean out all my secrets and the wallet and start over first. 18:10:00 One day freedesktop will understand that if I open my session with a password, I shouldn't have to enter it more than once ... 18:10:12 or offer the possibility of ... 18:14:11 otherwise actually there's missing packages, etc ... but not a real report during the time needed by coolo to build B1 :D 18:15:36 I can get my hardware able to wake up from suspend, and didn't find the reason or the cause, but my system is quite complicated with dual harddrive in raid0 + encryption + lvm on top + systemd 18:15:57 suspend to ram work most of the time. 18:16:40 most of the time, laptops are better with suspend than desktops 18:16:51 on the kde side, 4.7.1 has real difficulties to get nepomuk working. Trueg is now back and submit more & more patch, but all didn't hit our repositories yet. 18:17:03 bmwiedemann: it's a laptop :D 18:17:20 even if it can beat most of desktop outside ... 18:19:10 thought, because raid in laptops is rare 18:19:56 The dual harddrive is unusual. 18:20:22 bmwiedemann: yeap I've replace the dvd which I don't use to get more place, and speed as I can't afford the price of 1TB ssd actually :D 18:20:52 * tigerfoot think about experiences in factory in recent weeks. 18:21:53 I'm using the nvidia 280.13 wilth the installer .run, and redo the installation each time kernel, mesa, or xorg related things change, and never get a trouble or crash in kde. 18:22:42 most of the time the installer complain about some link that are broken... So reinstall is the good way to get the system stable. 18:23:26 systemd start to be really more & more usefull & stable .... Work with a bunch of server daemon apache2, mysql, postgresql 18:24:36 it is finally getting into a usuable state. 18:25:20 As I said earlier, it works for me. 18:25:39 ok next topic ? 18:25:59 * tigerfoot knows that the phone will ring in 20minutes :D 18:27:22 #topic BetaPizzaParty 18:28:09 with release date of Beta still being uncertain, I will probably discuss with AJ tomorrow to schedule the Party in 2 weeks. 18:28:45 so maybe 2011-10-13 18:29:04 bmwiedemann: on 14th it's the 15 years of kde ... 18:29:21 and the 09.10.11 kde launch plasma-active ... 18:29:34 We will have to make noise :) 18:29:54 or try to convince peeps to use beta-pizza to see latest kde :D 18:30:22 the 13th is just for the Nuremberg party. anyone else is of course free to schedule their own. 18:31:07 of course, there will be a nice KDE 4.7.1 in 12.1-Beta 18:31:51 * manugupt1 looks at 9..10..11 awesome date for kde release 18:32:32 we will have our 12.1 release on 11.11.11 18:32:43 (hopefully) 18:35:01 any more topics? 18:36:07 None here. 18:36:19 then let us close the meeting. 18:36:26 #endmeeting