15:01:04 #startmeeting openSUSE Project Meeting 15:01:04 Meeting started Wed Oct 2 15:01:04 2013 UTC. The chair is vuntz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:01:08 hey hey 15:01:10 so 15:01:12 who's here? 15:01:16 * vuntz looks around 15:01:26 Ilmehtar, robjo, FunkyPenguin: ping? 15:01:27 me me me 15:02:01 lucky us: triple robjo for today! 15:02:04 Half pong 15:02:18 I'm in a lift with coffee 15:02:24 Will be at desk shortly 15:02:58 vuntz: je suis ici 15:03:45 we have only one item on the agenda: GSoC Wrap Up 15:04:05 * manugupt1 is here 15:04:24 and I don't see any action item left from last meeting 15:04:28 Ilmehtar: is that correct? 15:05:30 vuntz: I had an action item to contact agustin regarding the reimbursement of local materials, I did, no reply yet (vacation) 15:06:05 apart from that, pretty sure that's correct 15:06:24 want to keep that? 15:06:40 sure, good to remind us 15:06:41 #topic Action items review 15:07:05 #info Ilmehtar contacted agustin regarding the reimbursement of local materials, waiting for reply 15:07:21 #action Ilmehtar to keep pushing on the reimbursement of local materials 15:07:31 #topic GSoC Wrap Up 15:07:40 so let's move to our main topic 15:07:45 manugupt1: here's the microphone :-) 15:07:51 Hi.. 15:08:20 gsoc got over this weekend, 2 students failed out of the 12 students we had 15:08:53 so 10 passed 15:08:56 which is quite good 15:08:57 2 mentors will go to mentor summit.. 15:08:58 yes 15:09:08 #info of the 12 students, 10 passed and 2 failed 15:09:17 #info 2 mentors will go to mentor summit 15:09:22 we had trouble with one student, but he passed eventually. 15:09:46 Also, I discussed with saurabh on possibility of creating a guidelines for next gsoc 15:09:56 which are 15:09:58 1. If the student is not writing weekly reports and the mentor fails the student, we wont accept the evaluations as PASS or go to carol for reevaluations. 15:10:00 2. GSoC is supposed to be a full time project. If the work is done earlier, it is upto the mentor to decide if he or she will get more work or not. 15:10:01 3. A student should not have a second job ( school is ok ) 15:10:03 4. Students must have committed some code / package or some other form of contribution to openSUSE. 15:10:06 5. Students are expeceted to work atleast 4 hours a day (it will usually mean atleast 2 pull requests / commits as a bare minimum per week) 15:10:06 6. Students should be verified by a college professor vouching for him. 15:10:07 7. Mentors should encourage stand off meetings 15:10:46 what do you guys think about it, I will put it on a discussion at opensuse-project 15:11:40 3) does not make sense if student must pay for his rent for example... 15:12:09 do any other GSoC participants have similar rules? 15:12:24 BManojlovic: student gets paid 5000 USD in 3 months 15:12:37 but on the end of it not gradually as i remember 15:12:56 Ilmehtar: some have and some dont 15:13:14 BManojlovic: it is 500 usd + 22250 + 2250 but it is a guideline 15:14:14 I'm not sure of the point of rule 3) when you have rule 5) - if the student can contribute 4 hours a day, what does it matter if they have a job or not? 15:14:29 exactly my point 15:14:41 I know 2,4,7 is followed 15:15:23 Students can have a job, I don't care if they code a night and work during the day or vice-versa 15:16:51 I think we can strike off 3, but there have been a couple of cases where students have gone kaput when they had a second job 15:17:15 3 and 5 are yes similar 15:17:27 There is no way of guaranteeing success 15:17:59 agreed robjo, I want to be pretty strict on 1 and 6 though rest all it will be up to the mentor 15:18:20 even if yo have a rule that says "no second job" how would you verify/enforce the rule 15:18:45 if you find out and fail the student you have the same result as if the student fails because of having a job 15:18:56 #info GSoC admins are proposing a set of guidelines for future participation in GSoC 15:19:43 robjo: Hmm.. yes.. i agreed 15:20:16 what are you trying to accomplish with guideline 7 ? 15:21:35 robjo: Well, I was going through mentor reviews, I found a few mentors mention that students were shy to ask questions in the beginning of the program, maybe this can help 15:22:36 it will be upto the mentor at the end of the day on 7 15:23:01 what you want is a kick off meeting then? 15:23:10 yeah 15:23:24 I will reword it. 15:23:46 That makes sense 15:24:21 Strike 3, reword 7 and I think we're good 15:24:25 others? 15:25:26 I'm wondering how we will verify the vouching by professors 15:25:56 vuntz: a professor can mail from their university's address 15:26:10 university's mail address 15:26:24 like vuntz@opensuse.org makes you from openSUSE 15:26:26 that should be reasonably easy. Look up the institution and staff list, get the e-mail and send the prof an e-mail 15:27:24 as long as this has been thought about, I'm fine :-) 15:27:44 In the end it is somewhat of a trust relationship. We have the opportunity to verify, but should also trust the students that they are not out to derail a project 15:28:08 if they derail they don't get paid, thus they hurt themselves 15:29:07 there's no work getting done for the project in that case, but that's probably work that we've lived without to begin with 15:29:27 okay 15:29:33 manugupt1: anything else for gsoc? 15:29:49 vuntz: I guess that is it 15:29:54 critical work should not be a GSoC project IMHO 15:30:21 robjo: it can be.. a lot of orgs do it 15:30:31 manugupt1: do you want an action item to document these guidelines no the wiki? 15:30:38 that's their problem ;) 15:30:57 vuntz: Let me put it on discussion on project list and then on the wiki, I will document it 15:31:06 robjo: :) 15:31:21 #action manugupt1 to get suggested guidelines discussed on opensuse-project@ 15:31:34 any other topic people would like to discuss? 15:32:09 Elections 15:32:09 * vuntz would have loved a summary of the beta pizza hackathon, but fears nobody here can report about it 15:32:29 we need to fill out the committee or go with the people that volunteered and get that announced 15:32:49 * terrorpup couldn't make pizza hackathon work and sick kid 15:33:10 #topic Any other topic 15:33:19 I have something 15:33:27 terrorpup: shoot 15:33:33 we are now over 8,000 fan on Facebook 15:33:48 * manugupt1 claps 15:33:56 We hit that this Sunday 15:34:29 woo! 15:34:38 #info over 8,000 fan on Facebook 15:34:54 Anyone here willing to volunteer on the Election committee? We have 3 people so far 15:34:56 vuntz: only thing I can say about the 'hackathon' is - while I couldn't figure out how to get involved as a community member (there didn't seem to be a google hangout or anything), there was a TON of bugs filed and fixed, and as a maintainer it was a very busy couple of days, which is good 15:35:35 I did get an invite for a Google hangout for the hackathon 15:35:43 Ilmehtar, the invite did make seem like it was google hangout 15:35:57 considering that it started at 1 AM in my timezone I decided that I should be sleeping instead ;) 15:36:15 * DimStar confirms.. there were dozens of people hacking away and reporting bugs to close them (or so).... sad to see though that this was a 'one-day' thing (I think most of those people disappaered again) 15:36:15 yeah, saw lots of bugs getting closed, that was nice 15:36:42 #info beta pizza hackathon: a TON of bugs filed and fixed! 15:37:22 I think part of the problem is michal (who was co-ordinating things) got sick just before the start, still overall, looks like it was a net positive, I just woulda liked to have been more involved ;-) 15:37:44 I know this isn't the time to ask, but I like to be on the social media marketing for 13.1 15:38:32 terrorpup: you probably just need to get a hold of jospoortvliet_ 15:38:45 I think jospoortvliet_ is still on vacation this week 15:39:02 will do 15:40:21 the current total on the opensuse project page on facebook is 8,028 members 15:41:23 robjo asked earlier: anyone willing to help with the election committee? 15:42:50 I would like to say yes, but I am now in a middle of a data center move at work. I will not be running this year. 15:43:27 robjo: so I guess we should go with the 3 people we have 15:43:35 any last question/comment? 15:43:43 terrorpup: if you ar enot running for the board you are a perfect candidate for the election committe ;) 15:44:12 robjo, I know I just worry about time. 15:44:40 we'll go with the volunteers we have, announcement should go out next week then 15:44:47 I don't want to say yes, become a no-show-jones < refering the to country singer > 15:45:06 okay, then that's it! 15:45:10 thanks all for joining! 15:45:13 terrorpup: no pressure we all get busy 15:45:13 #endmeeting