15:02:48 #startmeeting oSC13 organization meeting 15:02:48 Meeting started Thu May 23 15:02:48 2013 UTC. The chair is robjo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:48 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:10 I think coordinator needs access too 15:03:32 ok tnx robjo 15:03:32 let's start with a ROLL CALL 15:03:48 * warlordfff here :D 15:03:54 * tampakrap 15:03:57 * differentreality +1 15:04:35 CarlosRibeiro: cgoncalves FunkyPenguin henne Ilmehtar ping 15:04:53 toscalix_suse wstephenson 15:04:54 pong 15:05:00 * CarlosRibeiro alive 15:05:33 toscalix_suse: is there someone representing openSUSE team in this meeting ? 15:05:33 warlordfff: differentreality henne ppl hi 15:05:48 * victorhck reading ;) 15:06:07 yo CarlosRibeiro 15:06:26 ok... let's start with artwork issues 15:06:35 #topic Artwork tasks for oSC13 15:07:23 what's that about? 15:07:43 topic doesn't change... anyway 15:07:56 the artwork team has been working on some artwork tasks we need 15:07:56 you are not op 15:08:05 #topic Artwork tasks for oSC13 15:08:23 CarlosRibeiro: would you like to introduce your work so far? 15:08:46 hmm during last two days I did some t-shirts proposals https://picasaweb.google.com/104830275042059445407/OSC13#5880937230406584146 15:09:17 We have to decide on the T-shirt design and color 15:09:25 for attendees & volunteers 15:09:28 some are very different from each other and the main idea is to have different colors for Attended, Organization and Volunteers 15:09:38 t-shirt design is the designer decision 15:09:49 color should be something that no one else wears 15:10:00 so you can pick the volunteers out of the crowd 15:10:04 +1 15:10:08 red for example? 15:10:09 I had no time to update all Organization templates to the Attendedd and Volunteer 15:10:14 Red or Yellow 15:10:20 red, yellow, bright green 15:10:21 ? 15:10:39 during this task I had another idea that could be brilhant and easy to implement 15:10:49 also can save some money for the conference 15:11:02 whats the purpose of t-sirts for attendees? 15:11:03 and maybe instead of organization write something like "Volunteer' 15:11:28 offer them a t-shirt of the conference 15:11:37 you disagree with that ? 15:11:38 instead of have different tshirts for org, volunteers and attended we can use the same t-shirt + capitans sign 15:11:38 differentreality: for moneys? 15:11:47 nop 15:12:01 i mean , that think that soccer capitain player use 15:12:02 as part of the conf bag content 15:12:08 i don't see the purpose of that then :) 15:12:27 I see 15:12:30 https://www.google.com.br/search?safe=off&q=faixa+de+capitao+futebol&ion=1&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.46751780,d.dmg&biw=1024&bih=506&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=pt-BR&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=mEqdUdX6Dorp0AHXiIDgBw 15:12:34 most people can't wear them, because they can't wash them at oSC13 15:12:51 oSC13 shirts make little sense (for us) after oSC13 is done 15:13:18 then we can use the same t-shirt with different "arm-thing" for org and volunteers 15:13:19 I always like it when I take a t-shirt as a remember-gift from confs... 15:13:22 warlordfff: what do you think ? 15:13:25 having some conf t-shirts for sale might be a good idea 15:13:49 my thought is that we should have a conference t-shirt 15:13:52 If we plan on a reasonably low rate of sale, lets say 20% of attendees will buy one if they are reasonably priced 15:13:57 many people wear them at place 15:14:04 see Fosdem for example 15:14:31 CarlosRibeiro: is on GitHub? 15:14:41 warlordfff: sure. everyone like stuff for free 15:14:43 the question is whether we will get a reasonable production cost if we only make 100 or 150 shirts, and they are sold they are sold, too bad for those coming late ;) 15:14:55 many ppl fight for t-shirts ehehe I believe t-shirts for selling, for giveaway, to help during talks... is a good thing 15:14:56 warlordfff: the question is not if they like it the question is what we get out of it :) 15:15:04 victorhck: yes it is 15:15:13 ok 15:15:16 victorhck: https://github.com/openSUSE/artwork/tree/master/Marketing%20Materials/Events/openSUSE%20Conference/2013/T-shirts 15:15:23 ok ;) 15:15:28 * Ilmehtar is half here, work is very busy right now 15:15:31 henne: what about post-conf visibility, a bit as in promo for next year since this is a yearly event 15:15:39 I think we get to promote our conference after the conference 15:16:05 warlordfff: that doesn't make sense 15:16:11 people wear thosekind of stuff in other places too 15:16:24 people at the conference obviously don't need to be promoted to about the conference :) 15:16:27 I think it does 15:16:51 t-shirts are a good promotion item, but we have a free conference and giving away t-shirts is most likely too expensive 15:17:03 it's not 15:17:05 I think the idea is to promote the conference to others by wearing the t-shirt at places later on throughout the rest of the year until next event 15:17:11 it just doesn't make much sense :) 15:17:26 robjo: we have the 'expensive' part really well covered :D 15:17:32 just for the record it's 4.1 euro per t-shirt 15:17:49 which also means you can't really wear them a year ;) 15:17:55 or sth around that, depending on teh design and total number obviously 15:18:28 I'll state the question differently... If we have the budget for it, would you like to give a t-shirt as a gift to attendees ? 15:19:00 * henne don't 15:19:06 agree with henne, the ultra cheap shirts are often "worn out" after going through the washer a few times 15:19:15 the quality is tested btw 15:19:30 sell them for buying price + 1€ 15:19:43 henne: +1 15:19:49 give them as special gift 15:19:54 some of you have Summercamp t-shirts, right? 15:20:08 don't throw them into the bag 15:20:08 same quality 15:20:33 well they won't actually be in the bag literally for practical reasons (size) 15:20:46 they can be at the reg desk (or near it) 15:20:56 it could go on thes ame idea of osc11 actually 15:21:02 imo t-shirts have different meaning for different kind of ppl, example for us that have may have tons of t-shirts from older events we did, maybe is not good idea to have another one, but for newcomers, new ppl, visitor in general. I believe t-shirts must be present 15:21:07 I like t-shirts from conferences, I have a lot of them and I wear them. But again, I'd rather spend the $1500 euros on helping someone else get to the conference than to give every attendee a free t-shirt 15:21:11 you can take a free t-shirt and donate whatever you like 15:21:25 +1 for kostas comments that give us a example of FOSDEM 15:21:42 differentreality: those we're paid for t-shirts, not from the oSC budget 15:22:00 also people also wear t-shirts from summit 15:22:02 yeah yeah... I am only mentioning it as the concept of donation 15:22:05 we wanted to get rid of them to be able to get new ones :) 15:22:44 robjo: true. the travel support committee can comment on that - if they need money to bring people becasue as far as I am concerned they don't and have enough 15:22:53 warlordfff: nobody is disputing that t-shirts are great. the arguments are for or against us giving them away :) 15:23:03 ok 15:23:14 also t-shirts could be a nice way to help us to make the audience to interact making questions during of ater talks 15:23:46 well 15:24:00 in Fosdem I had that talk about T-shirts 15:24:23 it turns out that there are people who really like them and wear them 15:24:35 and there are people who don't really care 15:24:43 so 15:24:50 there are people who like to honk donkeys :) 15:24:57 there are all kinds of people 15:24:57 we think that 15:25:01 as like I said different ppl different meaning for t-shirts 15:25:09 it would make sence to give them away 15:25:23 for us 15:25:51 how long can we defer this? 15:26:01 don't know really :D 15:26:04 it might be something we could do once we are sure the budget holds 15:26:14 yeap 15:26:33 the fact is that we have those in our Budget 15:26:51 ok so the ideas is to either give t-shirts away for free or to sell them at sth around 5 euro (since they cost around 4) 15:27:14 and to defer that decision to later 15:27:19 i would propose 15:27:32 once we have a reasonable idea on how the budget goes 15:27:53 ok 15:28:01 we all agree about volunteers t-shirts though 15:28:03 +1 for me 15:28:08 colors: red or yellow or light green 15:28:15 we had yellow 2 years ago, maybe go for a change ? 15:28:17 red red :D 15:28:18 or anything else that hurts your eyes ;) 15:28:24 haha 15:28:28 pink 15:28:30 lol 15:28:31 ok no 15:28:32 hot pink 15:28:33 let's do red. 15:28:50 +1 for red 15:28:53 I don't think a lot of men would like to wear pink color 15:28:57 lets do bad qualitty red, that soon gets pink :P 15:29:03 CarlosRibeiro: btw I don't like to have the same t-shirt for different kinds of people. sounds like uniforms to me... 15:29:19 +1 to that 15:29:38 henne: so *if* we make attendee t-shirts, we will keep the same 1 single design for the t-shirts, is that what you are proposing? 15:29:44 henne: so we need to have the same design or the same t-shirt ? 15:29:45 no 15:30:15 he says that we have one for ALL volunteers 15:30:21 same t-shirt same color same everthing for volunteer, organization 15:30:34 and if the budget allows one for attendants 15:30:41 henne: ama I right? 15:30:49 CarlosRibeiro: completely different t-shirts for organizers/volunteers and attendants 15:31:01 they have a completely different purpose 15:31:17 the one for organizers is to pick them out of a crowd, give them authority 15:31:35 the one for attendees is about promotion of oSC13 afterwards 15:31:44 or rahter promotion of oSC 15:31:58 ahmmm ok, so now that I understood i can reply... yes i agree with you, we must decide the best design and use in all t-shirts 15:32:10 just changing colors in my opinion 15:32:44 anyway. propose something. we can talk about this offline 15:32:56 is there anything else artwork we need to talk about? 15:33:02 we're already 30 minutes in 15:33:06 was that the point? 15:33:07 I would like to decide on color of t-shirt for org/volunteers 15:33:07 +1 15:33:25 because it makes a difference when creating a design 15:33:33 henne: I already proposed several ideas for design we just need to choose one or make or create another version less crowded 15:33:50 CarlosRibeiro: you choose. it's your work :) 15:34:00 color should be red. right people? 15:34:12 ok we should go on :D 15:34:22 henne: its my contribution not my work, this is a collaboration work ;-) 15:34:37 yes 15:34:43 based in previous design form several members of artwork team 15:34:50 CarlosRibeiro: but you're the chief collaborator 15:34:58 #info RED colored t-shirt for org team & volunteers of oSC13 15:35:00 who makes it, decides 15:35:04 let's stick to that 15:35:13 #info work with CarlosRibeiro to finalize design of T-shirt 15:35:30 * CarlosRibeiro henne I will remember these words when I meet you face to face arghhh 15:35:44 #info RED colored t-shirt for org team & volunteers of oSC13 15:35:52 CarlosRibeiro: something else important that we need to discuss on artwork? I think everything else is going smoothly 15:36:06 countdown-banner was done 15:36:16 someone likes to take a look before goes online? 15:36:25 yeah but is it operational? 15:36:32 it's going to be deployed today 15:36:33 36 minutes in? no thanks 15:36:38 https://picasaweb.google.com/104830275042059445407/OSC13#5880873519072534034 15:36:40 let's get on 15:37:00 and https://picasaweb.google.com/104830275042059445407/OSC13#5880996971154535426 15:37:05 moving on... 15:37:08 #topic Person to take photos during oSC13 15:37:18 it's on the agenda but we have 2 greek volunteers for that. 15:37:22 no one else has stepped up so far. 15:37:24 any objections? 15:37:30 #topic Person to take photos during oSC13 15:37:31 we kind of have that covered by now, right? 15:37:45 by 3 local volunteers 15:37:52 sounds good 15:37:52 that's what I just said :/ 15:37:58 I have a volunteer question that someone asked me one day ago 15:38:05 go CarlosRibeiro 15:38:25 some volunteer asked me if they could help from tsp program 15:38:43 if they could apply for tsp help, i mean 15:38:48 * henne feeds warlordfff parrot fodder 15:39:04 he likes to be volunteer, but like to have some help to be there too 15:39:04 :D 15:39:06 nop and I think that's a bitirrelevant to an oSC meeting :/ 15:39:39 TSP application period is over 15:39:41 let's move it to somewhere more appropriate... project mL or sth ? 15:39:52 and if the volunteer wants to help with oSC13, he/she can fill out the form 15:39:54 and join trello 15:39:59 does this cover you carlos ? 15:40:14 next topic please 15:40:30 I'm not getting younger 15:40:41 Next would be update on keynote speakers but jos is not around and no one else knows 15:40:42 even if it looks that way 15:40:43 so skipping 15:40:48 uhm 15:40:49 henne: yes I answer the same . TSP is closed .. but .. I stil thinking about that and I give my words to make a double check before answer to fim 15:41:15 CarlosRibeiro: let continue that off line 15:41:17 #topic keynote speakers 15:41:26 * henne flips robjos switch 15:41:31 #topic keynote speakers 15:41:46 any news on that? 15:41:48 henne: do you have insight on Keynote Speakers ? 15:41:48 so we don't have a single keynote speaker? 15:41:52 robjo: ? 15:41:53 nop 15:42:08 and I havent seen any recent update either on where we stand on the list 15:42:31 jos is working on the main speaker, I think he is down to approaching Doc Searls soon 15:42:39 I kind of have an issue with that ;) 15:42:55 henne: ? 15:43:00 the others kind of depend on the program and if we go with "themed days" or not 15:43:10 what others? 15:43:15 henne whats your issue? 15:43:27 Ilmehtar: that we don't have a keynote speaker 15:43:30 plus all other keynoet speakers were sopposed to come from within the community, i.e people that mostly plan on attending anyway 15:43:36 yeah I have an issue with that too :/ 15:43:50 therefore the urgency is not quite as high 15:43:53 let's agree we all have 15:44:13 robjo: I strongly dissagree on that 15:44:14 where we stand right now.. we don't have any keynote speaker whatsoever 15:44:15 okay but I guess we should start to come up with a plan B 15:44:42 so how could we broaden our search 15:44:53 warlordfff: you can disagree, that's the plan we proposed at the beginning and we're sticking to it 15:45:08 ok 15:45:27 I dissagre that is not urgent 15:45:34 yeah I think it's urgent too. 15:45:39 and we at least need an update with facts 15:45:46 a list with crossed off names 15:45:47 yeap we do 15:45:59 robjo: can you give us that? 15:46:01 I did look for some speakers (not keynote obviously since I am not handling this) from greek community (i had seen some in past events and made a good impression) but nothing has worked out so far. 15:46:16 the list was posted to the ML, jos is going down the list, Doc Searls was number 4 or 5 on the list 15:46:24 we cannot make people respond, sorry 15:46:31 robjo: or even better, can you track this on trello on the program board? 15:46:55 robjo: the follow up is not on the list 15:46:58 robjo: that is certainly not your fault. we need to have a plan B 15:47:05 and the people cc'ed do not include henne for some weird reason 15:47:12 jos is on the trello board, he should track it 15:47:25 okay then who is going to poke jos to do that 15:47:32 I can do that 15:47:36 okay 15:47:38 and I can also offer that list now if u want 15:47:54 I want that tracked in the program board on trello 15:47:57 not somewhere else 15:48:02 agreed 15:48:06 +1 15:48:12 #info Track Keynote Speakers Progress on Trello 15:48:37 #info Stella poke Jos to update trello (Program board) with progress on Keynote Speakers 15:48:43 #action differentreality Make Jos track the keynote speaker search and results on the program board in trello 15:48:44 now whom do we have from our community to put as Keynote Speakers? 15:48:58 last year we had Agustin right? 15:49:02 y 15:49:17 what about this year? 15:49:22 any ideas? 15:50:06 For Infrastructure James 15:50:15 For FOSS Cornelius 15:50:20 for Community Jos 15:50:32 Cornelius is probably not going to come due to overlap with Akademy 15:50:39 I reeally like all of them tbh 15:51:08 henne: +1 +1 +1 for all proposed guys eheh 15:51:09 tampakrap: you have a point 15:51:29 we can always ask 15:51:31 ok so somebody has to ask those people 15:51:33 he told me so, I'm not just assuming :) 15:51:45 thinking on more name that made a contact with me at Fosdem 15:51:56 differentreality: Jos 15:52:02 the pressident of FSFE 15:52:15 any thoughts on that? 15:52:36 #info Proposed community keynote speakers: Infra - James, Foss - Cornelius, Community - Jos 15:52:46 warlordfff: he can do the general keynote 15:52:51 I'll send mail to James, Cornelius, and Jos 15:53:08 #action robjo will contact proposed community keynote speakers 15:53:09 that's my part of the "keynote committee" ;) 15:53:16 I agree with robjo that keynote speakers on the 19/20/21 should be from our own communitxy 15:53:22 well I could contact him if you all agree 15:53:28 +1 15:53:55 warlordfff: communicate with Jos. Maybe he already did 15:54:11 I did this morning actually about this 15:54:18 waiting for an answer :D 15:54:39 k 15:54:42 anything else ? 15:54:51 not for keynotes 15:54:53 next topic? 15:54:54 yes 15:54:59 lars' talk could be converted to a keynote as well 15:55:22 tampakrap: Lars isn't really a keynote speaker IMHO 15:55:29 +1 15:55:50 robjo: to which one? tampakrap or henne ? 15:55:59 henne: +1 15:56:07 ok 15:56:14 can we continue? 15:56:20 also imho robjocould do a keynote speak 15:56:31 also imho robjo could do a keynote speak 15:56:37 warlordfff: thanks 15:56:49 I actually believe that 15:57:07 I mean afterall you are a lot into community 15:57:11 okay can we continue and take this offline? 15:57:17 ok 15:57:19 Yes I think we should move one 15:57:20 on* 15:57:22 #topic Attendance Certificates 15:57:33 robjo: topic plz 15:57:37 #topic Attendance Certificates 15:57:54 I must say I personally find them pretty ridiculous... 15:58:01 I always like it when I get this reminding fancy piece of paper saying I was there 15:58:15 it is my understanding that opinions on this issue are very opposite 15:58:25 It's like a certificate that you've got up in the morning... 15:58:41 not quite 15:58:42 henne +1 - I dont think they make sense for attendance - contribution, maybe, but a certificate that you went to a conference? I agree, I dont see the point 15:58:49 one that 250 other people also got 15:59:08 I would rather come up with things we want to reward 15:59:17 such as ? 15:59:20 lets not do certificates please 15:59:27 like "Has given the most Talks" 15:59:38 "Drank the most Ouzo" 15:59:58 so there is not really a practical reason we cannot do that, but you just don't like to ? 16:00:06 "Got up after drinking too much" 16:00:28 robjo: yeah something like the worst hangover :) 16:00:32 yeah they are cool ideas even though not sure who can arrange those thinsg :/ 16:00:52 differentreality: we task some of the volunteers with that 16:00:55 differentreality: sorry but it is really tacky 16:01:08 certificates are good for young students. Also I think certificate could be a nice way to sell visibility to sponsors 16:01:48 and it's only given to those who want one obviously 16:01:49 differentreality: what practical reason could there be against printing 250 sheets of paper? :) 16:02:15 lets safe a tree 16:02:18 It's not a huge deal printing 250 fancy papers if people want it 16:02:35 yong student that are in the first year of university, looking for opportunities... these certificates could be also used as something to be included in their curriculum or put in their university lab wall 16:02:39 people want everything 16:02:47 if you have to have certificate, e-mail one to the participants, those that care can print them, the others delete the mail 16:02:56 you will always come up with at least one group of people who want a particular thing 16:03:10 do I have to repeat my donkey argument? :) 16:03:38 the question is what WE want to give out 16:03:56 robjo: in whichever case, can that certificate be from the board or sth? to make it somehow more "official" ? 16:04:15 I don't see that happening 16:04:29 henne: ok true. I put the this on the agenda because I am a strong believer or attendace certificates 16:04:37 robjo: care to elaborate ? 16:04:39 differentreality: +1 16:04:46 differentreality: that much I gathered ;) 16:04:52 heh :) 16:05:35 I am with henne, giving out a certificate for getting up in the morning is not something I consider useful. I suspect other board members would agree with me 16:05:40 differentreality: can you name a FOSS conference that does it? I cant think of any I've attended that do such a thing, and I agree with the suggestion that's awefully cheesy 16:06:08 can't we print them on demand? 16:06:18 that's what I said in the first place actually 16:06:26 not everybody will get them, only whomever wants to 16:06:45 * henne is okay with that 16:06:47 differentreality: did you see the certificates that I used here in local confs? maybe could be used as base to produce this and help robjo eheh 16:07:04 I should probably make that more clear to begin with. I meant that we will not pre-make all this papers. 16:07:16 btw certificates could be sent eletronic in pdf format and don't need to be printed ;-) 16:07:24 CarlosRibeiro: only a quick look. Maybe as a base yes. Not totally the same though 16:07:40 and we shouldn't bother people with them, as they are _VERY_ ridiculously cheesy ;) 16:07:45 i think some people would like to have printed ones and others do not even care 16:07:57 yeah 16:07:58 why not just make a list of the people that want certificates 16:08:07 ok so, let's prepare an artwork for certificates 16:08:08 make everyone happy :P 16:08:10 and each one that wishes to print and put in a wall, of course will do it as soon as he gets the certificate in their mail boxes 16:08:28 CarlosRibeiro, the shipping would be insane 16:08:37 and we need to figure out who will sign them or whatever. I really thought it would be a nice touch to be "issued by openSUSE Board" 16:08:40 apart from being an awful logistical issue 16:08:56 we are talking email here :) 16:08:57 tian2992: sorry I mean... send to their eletronic mail boxes 16:09:04 tian2992: shipping PDFs is rahter cheap ;) 16:09:08 hahahaha 16:09:09 not to their real address 16:09:22 ok 16:09:23 ok, sorry :P 16:09:34 can we continue? 16:09:35 let's send an official email to the board since only robert is present today 16:09:46 #info send email to board about signing certificates to oSC13 16:09:49 Ilmehtar doesn't count 16:09:50 .... 16:09:53 :P 16:09:56 sorry for that :) 16:09:58 lol 16:10:00 just because he said he is half here 16:10:11 that's still more than robert 16:10:13 * henne runs 16:10:17 I'm fully engaged when it comes to the topic of cerficiates, and my objection to them ;-) 16:10:18 and nobody can say I did not see Ilmehtar :D 16:10:27 heh 16:10:30 * warlordfff runs with henne 16:10:37 lol 16:10:54 okay next topic? 16:10:57 yeah 16:11:08 #topic Badges 16:11:13 #topic Badges 16:11:19 There have been some ideas about this: 16:11:39 1. make a4 page (many people opposed to have the program printed in that page, but that's not the issue at this moment) 16:11:58 2. have something smaller / A5 16:12:14 there was also an idea to put a personal QR code on them 16:12:49 (this idea came up in case people like sponsors want some kind of a list of attendees or sth, which is problematic for obvious reasons. Whereas using a QR code they can scan whomever attendee wants to be scanned) 16:13:00 The problem at hand at this moment is 16:13:19 that the artwork people must produce a design, which guidelines are not clear yet. 16:13:30 what's wrong with buttons? 16:13:34 :) 16:13:52 buttons with a name, irc handle -> done 16:14:09 mmm 16:14:10 we still have a gazillion buttons left 16:14:14 from oSC11 16:14:16 don't really like that 16:14:30 well the idea was initially to put the program, then it changed into putting at least the very important info (such as emergency phone numbers, party address etc) 16:14:33 did not liked that on oSC11 also :D 16:14:42 me neighter 16:14:49 I liked it 16:14:55 but I still prepfer to have the imoprtant info there 16:15:13 printing too much of that buttons was wasting money in my opinion 16:15:27 I think that is something that should go on the back of the program 16:15:46 the name tag should be a name tag 16:15:51 easy wearable 16:15:57 we should have the program in the name badge 16:16:01 that was cool 16:16:13 that personalizes the program 16:16:20 I say let's stck to what was made on oSC12 16:16:20 and makes it impossible to update 16:16:29 true but there are realistic problems that were raised in ML (I think) from a couple of people and are true. Such as the accuracy of the program 16:16:30 printed programs suck hairy balls 16:16:42 we can have the program printed in one side and the nametag in other sheet 16:16:42 lol 16:16:52 and just have both on the same holder 16:16:54 My argument is about other important information, emergency numbers, mobile no, addresses 16:17:10 if people only have to wear their lanyard to have ALL that info gathered into one place 16:17:11 the one of oSC12 did not get good feedback, this year I would go with single side card with name and nickname 16:17:26 the rest of the info were in printed papers in the registration desk 16:17:27 tampakrap: +1 16:17:30 along with the schedule 16:17:33 tampakrap: that is not a bad idea 16:17:38 so the info in the badge was useless 16:17:39 the rest of the info I want to have available at all times 16:17:45 tampakrap, who said it was not good? 16:17:53 people around 16:17:58 i organized oSC12 btw 16:17:59 that means I want to have a stack of that stuff somewhere I can grab it 16:18:09 and I came with the idea of the badge 16:18:19 not one on the back of my nametag 16:18:20 and to be clear, they didn't say it was not good 16:18:26 tampakrap, I thought it was great :) 16:18:26 they said that the info was useless 16:18:41 well we could go bothways 16:18:50 what bothways?! 16:18:52 especially the schedule got deprecated the same day we printed it due to last minute changes 16:18:58 why not see what is cheaper and get over with it 16:18:59 ? 16:19:11 cheapest using buttons ;) 16:19:13 henne: how many spare badges? 16:19:19 as we have buttons ;) 16:19:22 I mean it is too much of conversation for something not that important 16:19:34 differentreality: buttons? enough. way enough 16:19:48 and a small bunch of paper to write down quick notes would be helpful... 16:19:50 henne: buttons need time to get done 16:19:55 a whole cardboard box full 16:19:58 ok then, clearly this is the cheapest way to go 16:20:10 but needs time 16:20:12 either buttons, or a single side card (or double side card with the same info in both sides) with just name, nickname and name of the conf, no need to fold stuff, no need to put extra effort to prepare them 16:20:25 +1 tampakrap 16:20:31 +1 16:20:32 does this mean we do NOT want to have lanyards either ? 16:20:45 if there are going to be buttons then no lanyards 16:20:52 heh 16:20:58 we had problems last year with those as well, they ran away 16:20:58 single card = buttons 16:20:59 same info 16:21:03 what else can one use? 16:21:04 if we have buttons, no if we do not have buttons yea 16:21:18 stickers? 16:21:20 we don't want lanyards => we go to buttons, we do want lanyards => we go to card badge 16:21:40 * warlordfff confused 16:21:49 but don't pay attention 16:21:52 stickers for what henne ? 16:21:54 the question is the other way round: we want buttons => no lanyards, we don't want buttons => we go with cards + lanyards 16:21:55 https://www.google.de/search?q=hello+my+name+is&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=FEKeUZu5Ocmz4AS2j4DQDA&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1866&bih=1067 16:22:14 that is also rally cool 16:22:16 no I don't want stickers 16:22:22 they get unsticked all the time 16:22:26 and ruined afterwards 16:22:30 ok me neither actually but it is cool 16:22:32 the button or card-badge I can keep 16:22:41 but you can have 100 just for yourself :) 16:22:51 I only want one :) 16:22:55 and a couple of conf stickers :P 16:23:09 maybe one rround with a geeko head 16:23:13 so you don't like them because you can't bring them home? 16:23:14 let 16:23:19 let's nto talk about the conf stickers now 16:23:19 jeez you're a packrat :) 16:23:28 lol 16:23:40 no I don't like them because they get ruined easily 16:23:40 Can we agree that 2 or 3 people should make a decision on the badge issue and get on with the show? 16:23:52 I think most of the people throw them anyway 16:24:15 in any case it is extremely important that we decide really soon. 16:24:19 robjo: we are the 2-3 people 16:24:20 stickers > badges 16:24:31 BUTTONS! 16:24:37 I have a printing nightmare to consider and test well before 16:24:41 ok who wants to decide about that? 16:25:09 BTW I have something really cool to say about tags but it is for speakers only 16:25:19 warlordfff: ? 16:25:27 since it is a bit expensive 16:25:27 differentreality: I can help you with that 16:25:45 differentreality: carrying 200 stickers to greece isn't an issue 16:25:46 my idea is to have led tags for speakers 16:25:58 henne: we will hand-write the stickers ? 16:26:14 differentreality: sure :) 16:26:19 I totally disagree 16:26:21 I have someone to make 1-2 types of those and I will present them once I have tem 16:26:28 I hate so called tags I cannot make the name out 16:26:51 I prefer the printing nightmare :P 16:27:08 as far as I am concerned its: buttons or card badges 16:27:13 something like that https://www.google.gr/search?q=led+tags&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=TkOeUZjpB8jYOuypgJgJ&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1680&bih=909 16:27:20 differentreality: as you do them, you decide :( 16:27:21 :) 16:27:27 nametags written with marker 16:27:31 any thought on that? 16:27:55 warlordfff: awesome. how much? 16:27:56 henne: I was hoping I won't have to decide that by myself 16:28:06 about a Euro I hope 16:28:11 henne: as part of artwork team, I hate to listen that you prefer handwriting. of course not 16:28:21 just keep in mind that all the info we had in the badges has to be printed in the registration desk 16:28:37 and ideally to be put in the conference bag 16:28:39 differentreality: hope dies last :) 16:28:42 true 16:28:58 henne: we are creating doing working hard to make things happen to be a awesome conference and you say to us that you like to have hadwriting oh no, no no 16:29:31 well I prefer the card badges with the lanyard - and I like lanyards anyway (even if we had buttons) for that matter 16:29:31 henne: if it costs up to 2 Euros I will have those done dude :D 16:29:39 but it's a true waste to leave the buttons unused 16:29:46 as long as they are more than enough 16:29:56 differentreality: we can bring them anyway... 16:30:06 differentreality: it's obviously your decision because we can't agree 16:30:07 well we can always use the buttons as a give away 16:30:22 CarlosRibeiro: there is plenty of room for artwork on those stickers :) 16:30:28 You told me you also have the machine (the one we had in nurember probably?) and I assume you have all the necessary parts of the button right? 16:30:33 can we get on? 16:30:41 differentreality: yes mam 16:30:56 differentreality: we even fixed up the machine ;) 16:31:10 henne: dammit i must agree with you that we have more room but the first impact is the most important and this is the badge 16:31:29 badge should be the most important thing in artwork tasks imho 16:31:49 ok... 16:31:54 can we get on with it? 16:32:03 at the moment the design proposal we have is for a card obviously 16:32:07 and the idea is to mention Attendee or else 16:32:18 please don't label people too much 16:32:30 I really hate that 16:32:39 this is a meeting of our community 16:32:47 not some corporate event 16:32:51 we're all equals 16:32:58 I am happy to have no labeling at all actually 16:32:59 +1 16:33:05 * CarlosRibeiro hmm thinking... 16:33:13 +1 16:33:23 or they could all say geeko 16:33:23 lets not consume any more time to this 16:33:27 henne: yes you are right not to label too much 16:33:47 moving ? 16:33:47 on? 16:34:10 +1 for geeko that definittly represents everyone that will be there 16:34:20 please. it's obviously your and CarlosRibeiros decision 16:34:41 #topic Entrance Banner 16:34:46 referring to this task https://trello.com/card/get-a-big-banner-for-the-entrance/50c9f63d0355c54307008743/30 16:34:50 he does the design, you have the printing nightmare. get it on :) 16:34:52 #topic Entrance Banner 16:35:06 Juergen gave some links. I think people cannot open them though 16:35:28 and I have no clue if you have some bannerw e can use or not 16:35:36 any idea about it ? 16:35:53 we have 16:36:07 juergen's links are suse internal 16:36:10 and you can put a photo of it in trello task plz ? 16:36:16 is it 1 banner ? 16:36:25 http://paste.opensuse.org/32924727 16:36:45 I like that one 16:36:52 cool tnx 16:36:55 must be bigger ehehe 16:36:58 so we do have 1 banner to put up there. 16:37:21 http://paste.opensuse.org/69108507 16:37:33 I am against using that old torn piece of cloth. If we like that banner (I do) we should paint a fresh one. 16:37:57 * henne likes old pieces of cloth 16:38:09 * differentreality sorry one min 16:38:13 we are planing a new one I thinj 16:38:15 and the rest we can fill with posterized artwork 16:38:30 well 16:38:37 there is an issue here 16:38:44 +1 for new one nd as henne said before, more room for artisits 16:38:46 I can come up with those, just need a printer and masking tape 16:38:53 we cannot put anything on walls of the venue 16:39:16 warlordfff: not even temporarily? 16:39:20 nop 16:39:22 but 16:39:44 they will give us some kind of big tablets, like walls 16:39:52 6 I think 16:39:55 in total 16:40:02 wich will do the work fine 16:40:05 sounds good 16:40:09 find out the dimensions 16:40:17 so no actuall problem here 16:40:17 better than wall I believe 16:40:20 #info get dimensions of black boards in venue entrance 16:40:28 I will do that 16:40:46 next week or tommorow, depends on Free time 16:40:51 is it really torn that banner you have? I mean unusable ? 16:41:13 #action warlordfff get dimentsions of blackboard in venue entrance 16:41:17 differentreality: I don't think we can use that banner 16:41:42 it is a really longshoot to have the dimentions we need 16:41:59 as long as it is not bigger in height, little does it matter 16:42:03 sorry for my bad english today 16:42:16 but I do care about its quality 16:42:22 could we put a banner somewhere on the streets, I mean, outside but a street corner near of the museum 16:42:28 opensuse Balloons looks kewl too http://lizards.opensuse.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/sl_balloons.jpg 16:42:32 I get what henne said but it won't look good in this venue entrance 16:42:36 well i find it better to make a new one and get over with it instead of searching how to do it 16:42:58 CarlosRibeiro: hypothetically yes. realistically there is a long way to go for that. Of course it depends how far away 16:43:10 we cannot do that 16:43:13 are printed baloons expensive? 16:43:19 we need legal permition from the city 16:43:28 * CarlosRibeiro second life coming to be a real and first life :D 16:43:31 tian2992: c'mon. it's plastic. from china. what do you think ;) 16:43:32 I mean about the banners in the street 16:43:53 warlordfff: I bet you need that for taking a dump too 16:44:13 the point is that we don't want anyone taking it down 16:44:18 not really but not that far also 16:44:39 the fact is that we do not want any cops to come and annoy us 16:44:48 let's make a note and we will see how it will go with the municipality or figuring out sth else 16:44:49 anyway. this is obviously something you guys have to decide 16:44:54 yes 16:45:09 so you can bring that banner 16:45:16 which is in negotiable state 16:45:17 ? 16:45:26 its juewei's banner 16:45:27 oh 16:45:36 we can ask to the nearst gas station to allow us to advirtise over there (just like i did with kostas at LA) 16:45:39 oh ok 16:45:43 let's make a new one and get it over 16:45:46 and juewei you believe is not suitable ? 16:45:47 yeah 16:45:58 CarlosRibeiro: none nearby 16:46:01 if juewei wants to make a new one, let him 16:46:02 or *that* nearby 16:46:18 Henne, put it in the washing machine please, then we'll see. 16:46:36 okay can we move on? 16:46:38 #info Get info on the state of the existing banner from juewei 16:46:46 I have 14 minutes left before I want to go home 16:46:47 throw me some cloth and a design, then I'll do a new one. 16:47:00 dimentions are 2 X 3 meters 16:47:06 ok, juewei if you could plz put info on the trello task 16:47:10 moving on real fast 16:47:12 I knew I had them 16:47:17 #topic Food 16:47:18 :D 16:47:24 oh 16:47:28 #topic Food 16:47:39 ok I have something here 16:47:46 differentreality: ok 16:47:48 so we have 2 ideas. Ask the uni mensa to be open for us or are you cool with using restaurants nearby ? 16:48:00 anyone wants catering? 16:48:07 cost? 16:48:16 for 4 days, high 16:48:24 and we are not talking hot food 16:48:39 what options are there? 16:48:51 catering: min 6 euro/person (that's for every day, not for the whole event) 16:48:53 can I? 16:48:57 can we sell stuff at the venue? 16:49:01 mensa: we have to ask. it's 1 block from venue) 16:49:05 sorry differentreality please finish 16:49:07 henne: yes, we can sell 16:49:19 so let's make food ourselves 16:49:31 Food option 1: catering, food option 2: mensa (Pending confirmation if it's viable option), food option 3: nearby restaurants and fast foods 16:49:37 I bet you can find a lot of volunteers for this 16:49:43 henne: for all days? 16:49:47 yes sure 16:49:52 sth like barbecue ? 16:49:53 people shouldn't leave the vnue 16:49:54 well there is a bbq day planned 16:50:02 also 16:50:02 and there should always be the option to get food 16:50:05 at any time 16:50:07 one second 16:50:11 when we say prepare food. 16:50:13 what are we htinking? 16:50:19 barbecue or cold sandwitches ? 16:50:27 whatever is possible 16:50:34 we can have delivery 16:50:35 because there is no volunteer that can barbecue in July in Greece for 4 straight days 16:50:39 this is possible 16:50:49 I mean delivery 16:51:01 pizzas and gyrros 16:51:03 if you want to have the spirit of oSC11 16:51:07 make shit yourself 16:51:12 :D 16:51:30 I cant barbecue on july either 16:51:50 melting hazard 16:51:53 I think we should ask for volunteers on that 16:51:54 go talk to the nearest bakery and order sandwiches to be picked up in the mornin 16:52:06 ok can I have 1? 16:52:20 henne: I have some doubts about the paying process for that... 16:52:30 differentreality: how so? 16:52:32 the idea is to have fresh coffe/tea and cookies everyday 16:52:55 henne: bakeries don't accept credit cards and they dont issue invoices to buyers outside of greece 16:53:15 we have that cash problem 16:53:17 as far as I understand invoicing to suse is a prerequisite if they are going to pay for something 16:53:27 yes what warlordfff said 16:53:31 we have cash 16:53:37 mmm 16:53:44 we == openSUSE 16:53:47 henne: seriously? 16:53:55 and I'm sure people will front us money 16:54:05 yes we have cash left from oSC11 16:54:08 I mean seriously you can come with 2000 euro and pay in cash for stuff ? 16:54:13 not the idea we have so far henne 16:54:19 and like I've said, you only have to cover potential losses anyway 16:54:31 and you don't need an invoice for that? 16:54:35 maybe we could find some specialized sponsor that help us with this. A professional cooking, a bakery something like that 16:54:42 (I don't mean receipt, I mean invoice to suse) 16:54:55 CarlosRibeiro: impossible, we have a crisis you know :D 16:54:56 go to the nearest bakery tell them you want to have 60 assorted sandwiches for July 18, 08:00 16:55:07 ask them for the price and that's all the money you need 16:55:16 wait 16:55:26 there is the idea 16:55:28 you sell the sandwiches for +50¢ 16:55:41 of having coffee/tea and cookies every morning 16:55:46 free 16:55:47 next day you go back with the money you've taken in and get the next badge 16:56:17 60 sandwitches to feed people ? :/ 16:56:25 isnt it a bit low ? 16:56:35 that's of course not everything... 16:56:58 but that's how you pay for stuff if you run your own event 16:57:11 I bet you the bakery will also let you sell on commission 16:57:33 there is a problem here 16:57:41 which is also the solution 16:58:18 we will have the venue caffe bar open 16:58:29 so they can actually cover that 16:58:45 again talking about just cold sandwitches at attendee's expense 16:59:04 we can ask for more I think during the conferenc 16:59:06 e 16:59:23 so do that 16:59:24 what about that? 16:59:28 we don't have to feed people 16:59:34 +1 16:59:42 food just needs to be available at a reasonable price 16:59:50 +1000 16:59:56 and again, If you want to have the feeling that this is your event, make it yourself :) 16:59:58 my point exactly 17:00:04 ok 17:00:12 some of our sponsors could not sponsor one night? like sponsors dinner, sponsors meal and we open another window to get money and support 17:00:12 the idea so far is 17:00:26 quite sure Hans do that 17:00:30 #info decided to have availalbe food (as in cold sandwitches provided by cafeteria at attendee's expesnes) inside the venue 17:00:30 to have some kind of free coffe and cookies 17:00:40 and the rest available to buy 17:00:46 food etc 17:00:57 differentreality: make sure that those are for a reasonable price 17:01:08 2 euro ? 17:01:09 and the bar/cafeteria can cover that 17:01:16 differentreality: damn sure. if they are not, this can break the whole event 17:01:18 they will be actually. probably at cost. 17:01:19 2-3 euro most 17:01:32 make sure they are cheap 17:01:49 ok, do we have anything else for food? 17:01:50 maybe they can give you an invoice for lower prices 17:01:55 I have to leave now 17:02:00 what kind of invoice ? 17:02:03 differentreality: once I go to the venue I can ask that too 17:02:33 I can coordinate when I get coffee prices I guess 17:02:43 differentreality: an invoice for 100 sandwiches. which means they can sell another 100 for half the price 17:02:45 #action find out cafeteria's price for cold sandwitches 17:03:23 I think I need to teach you some moves :) 17:03:25 axm 17:03:34 I don't get what you mean sorry 17:03:48 maybe we can talk in private tomorrow or sth ? 17:03:51 henne: you should :D 17:03:55 we should 17:04:10 ok 17:04:15 if there is anything else I think we are done 17:04:25 no? 17:04:44 #endmeeting 17:04:50 #endmeeting