15:04:20 <robjo> #startmeeting project meeting 15:04:20 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed May 1 15:04:20 2013 UTC. The chair is robjo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:04:20 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:04:57 <robjo> Hi everyone, welcome to the project meeting 15:05:31 <robjo> The agenda can be found here: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting 15:06:20 <robjo> roll call for the board: FunkyPenguin, Ilmehtar, 15:06:32 * Ilmehtar is here 15:07:09 <robjo> vuntz: ping 15:07:20 <FunkyPenguin> robjo: im somehwat here 15:07:36 <robjo> Lets get rolling 15:08:25 <robjo> AFAIK there was no meeting last time and I do not recall any action items from the meeting prior 15:08:46 <robjo> thus we can get right to the next item GSoC 15:08:55 <robjo> #topic GSoC 15:09:11 <robjo> saurabhsood91: manugupt1 ping 15:09:22 <manugupt1> I am here 15:09:34 <robjo> manugupt1: update on GSoC? 15:10:02 <manugupt1> robjo: Everything is going smooth I believe, proposals are pouring in but not for all of the ideas I guess 15:10:10 <saurabhsood91> robjo: here... 15:10:31 <manugupt1> I think it should be a healthy mixture of openSUSE, Hedgewars and ownCloud this time. 15:10:48 <saurabhsood91> manugupt1: all mentor's have registered right? 15:10:52 <manugupt1> saurabhsood91: I think so 15:11:02 <manugupt1> I am not sure, cannot you see the name of the mentors? 15:11:36 <manugupt1> One question I had was 15:12:02 <manugupt1> I have noticed that students from same institurions have similar ideas to my proposal, how do I go about it 15:12:41 <manugupt1> Is it plagiarism or ideas taken during discussion or anythinng like that 15:13:18 <manugupt1> How do I identify who is a more prospective student in that case 15:13:21 <Ilmehtar> what are Google's rules on it? do all GSoC projects need to be original ideas? 15:13:35 <manugupt1> Ilmehtar: Nothing like that.. GSoC leaves the discretion to mentors 15:13:39 <manugupt1> and org admins 15:13:54 <robjo> There is probably no way for you to find out 15:14:11 <cboltz> manugupt1: I wouldn't call it plagiarism (unless it is very obvious copy&paste, of course) 15:14:21 <manugupt1> cboltz: Well Idea is copy and paste 15:14:32 <manugupt1> in atleast one of the proposal 15:15:02 <robjo> You may just have to have an e-mail or IRC conversation with each student and then go with your gut-feel 15:15:24 <manugupt1> ok. 15:16:03 <cboltz> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/aatif1992/1#c1001 15:16:03 <robjo> when is our next deadline? 15:16:11 <manugupt1> One more thing, if students do not submit their proposals on mmelange they are not eligible for gsoc 3rd May 15:16:22 <cboltz> has a private comment asking for the mentor - but AFAIK private comments are not visible to the students 15:16:36 <cboltz> I doubt this was intentional... 15:16:51 <manugupt1> cboltz: This was no :/ 15:17:12 <robjo> manugupt1: saurabhsood91 could you update the wiki and in bold letters add the May 3rd deadline? 15:17:28 <manugupt1> However the proposal is of no good quality and no mentor, I would like to ask the mentors here, can I mark it as invalid 15:17:41 <saurabhsood91> robjo: will do that 15:18:22 <manugupt1> koda: by the way you are on gsoc-mentor@opensuse.org right? 15:18:40 <manugupt1> gsoc-mentors* 15:18:41 <cboltz> manugupt1: I agree - the idea sounds "a bit"[tm] crazy and isn't really well-defined, so I'm fine with the "invalid" mark 15:18:46 <koda> i think not, i'm on official google MLs though 15:18:46 <saurabhsood91> manugupt1: two such proposals right? 15:19:00 <manugupt1> saurabhsood91: I dont think so 15:19:15 <manugupt1> koda: You can subscribe it there.. no spam I assure you 15:19:44 <manugupt1> thats it from my side.. 15:19:57 <koda> there = where? 15:20:02 <manugupt1> koda: on the mailing list 15:20:12 <cboltz> I'd guess gsoc-mentor+subscribe@opensuse.org ;-) 15:20:26 <manugupt1> :) 15:20:38 <manugupt1> saurabhsood91: Ah.. I know about the second one you are talking about 15:20:53 <manugupt1> This is a different proposal 15:20:57 <manugupt1> And a very good one 15:21:00 <saurabhsood91> We can mark them as invalid I think 15:21:02 <manugupt1> I believe but it has no mentor 15:21:09 <saurabhsood91> Oh... Ok 15:21:19 <cboltz> (and I'm also just subscribing - I'm in concact with a student that is willing to write new AppArmor profile development tools) 15:21:22 <saurabhsood91> I may not have checked that one 15:21:26 <manugupt1> http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/nuk/1 15:21:45 <saurabhsood91> I will check it as soon as I get back 15:21:49 <koda> thx :p 15:21:49 <manugupt1> Or were you talking about this one http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/proposal/review/google/gsoc2013/olkordy/9001 ? 15:21:54 <manugupt1> GRUB 15:22:41 <manugupt1> I think 2nd one can also be ignored as it was discussed in ML and the idea was already there I believe 15:23:04 <zimba12> ownCloud mentors started to review and score proposals 15:23:17 <manugupt1> zimba12: Yes.. we can also start that I guess 15:23:32 <zimba12> cool 15:23:51 <zimba12> so far everything smooth 15:24:02 <manugupt1> zimba12: I hope it remains that way :) 15:24:22 <saurabhsood91> so far so good... 15:24:24 <manugupt1> Thats it from our side I guess 15:24:39 <manugupt1> We can move to the next topic if we have no questions 15:24:59 <cboltz> a question about reviewing the proposals: 15:25:04 <manugupt1> cboltz: yes 15:25:21 <cboltz> should every mentor review all proposals (even on topics not in his "area")? 15:25:24 <robjo> manugupt1: saurabhsood91 when you get a chance can you look at my status, while I am a mentor, supposedly in the system, I cannot see any of the proposals you linked.... 15:25:29 <cboltz> or just the proposals he's going to mentor? 15:26:14 <manugupt1> cboltz: I think it will be difficult to mentor each and everyone. So a mentor can review only his and ask for help in case he needs some. 15:26:28 <manugupt1> from other mentors 15:26:41 <manugupt1> robjo: I will see that 15:26:57 <saurabhsood91> robjo: will check it out 15:27:46 <manugupt1> zimba12: koda does that sound good to you guys? 15:28:23 <robjo> it appears to me that all mentors should at least briefly review all proposals and then score them 15:28:42 <zimba12> manugupt1: I don't feel like I could review a proposal outside owncloud 15:29:32 <koda> yeah maybe the review of other proposals could be left optional 15:30:15 <manugupt1> One question I had was suppose openSUSE guys reviewed ownCloud / hedgewars proposal, is that a problem, as robjo said he might want to review and score 15:30:22 <manugupt1> some others might feel so too 15:30:42 <saurabhsood91> How about owncloud all owncloud mentor's score all owncloud projects and so on? 15:31:07 <manugupt1> saurabhsood91: Lets not complicate it... i think it should be optional 15:31:24 <saurabhsood91> Ok... 15:31:55 <robjo> what I meant was that all openSUSE mentors should review all openSUSE proposals 15:31:58 <zimba12> i think mentors should review and score whatever they feel comfortable with, that's it 15:32:31 <robjo> it it not reasonable to expect other orgs to review our proposals or that openSUSE mentors would review ownCloud proposals 15:33:08 <zimba12> robjo: indeed 15:33:15 <saurabhsood91> that was what I meant too... 15:33:37 * manugupt1 got confused I guess then 15:34:54 <zimba12> manugupt1: it's easy, let's do what suggested by gsoc itself and what other orgs do. If the mentor feels confident to review, he should, otherwise not 15:35:04 <manugupt1> +1 to zimba12 15:35:12 <manugupt1> I agree with zimba12 15:35:30 <saurabhsood91> +1 15:36:16 <manugupt1> Any other thing to be discussed 15:38:23 <manugupt1> robjo: We are done I guess 15:39:08 <robjo> OK 15:39:36 <robjo> #topic new ideas 15:40:05 <robjo> Anything? 15:40:48 <manugupt1> robjo: I would like to discuss the possibilit oSC14 15:40:56 <manugupt1> in India 15:41:00 <robjo> #topic anything else 15:41:25 <manugupt1> We have a plausible location and some volunteers, but we are not sure about sponsorship 15:42:20 <robjo> manugupt1: hmmm, at this point the guidelines state "A location in Europe" 15:42:48 <robjo> this can of course be changed, but possibly will require a lengthy discussion 15:43:43 <manugupt1> robjo: Hmm.. yeah 15:43:45 <robjo> however, if you have a place and volunteers I would encourage you to send a proposal to the board list 15:44:08 <manugupt1> robjo: The openSUSE Conference is located in Europe missed that 15:44:10 <manugupt1> robjo: Will do that 15:44:25 <robjo> Another option may be to have a "openSUSE Summit Asia" 15:44:46 <manugupt1> robjo: oSC 13 because that would garner more help for us 15:44:57 <manugupt1> and we will need it... 15:45:06 <manugupt1> And yes people are enthusiastic about it too 15:45:58 <manugupt1> robjo: will send the board a mail 15:46:15 <manugupt1> thats it.. I guess 15:46:23 <robjo> manugupt1: thanks, you will get help for organizing a Summit as well 15:46:41 <robjo> Any other topics? 15:47:27 <robjo> OK, that's it then 15:47:39 <robjo> #info 2.5 board members present 15:48:01 <saurabhsood91> Lol 15:48:04 <robjo> thanks everyone for participating 15:48:12 <robjo> #endmeeting