15:00:38 #startmeeting 15:00:38 Meeting started Wed Mar 20 15:00:38 2013 UTC. The chair is vuntz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:38 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:54 did vuntz just call me a scaredy-cat? 15:01:05 welcome to the latest openSUSE project meeting :-) 15:01:08 so who's here? 15:01:13 me me me :D 15:01:20 present 15:01:22 vuntz: I'm half here - technically in a presentation at Novell UK 15:01:32 Ilmehtar: hopefully it's the best half of you? 15:01:36 FunkyPenguin: here? 15:01:38 wstephenson_: here? 15:01:42 vuntz: there's a better half? 15:01:58 * saurabhsood91 is here 15:02:03 this so-called better half needs to be documented or it doesn't exist. 15:02:27 better half needs a man page 15:02:30 ;) 15:02:39 anditosan: :D 15:02:47 yeah, man up, Ilmehtar!!! 15:02:47 so we only have one real topic so far 15:02:58 don't be afraid to suggest topics! 15:03:08 but let's start with the review of past action items 15:03:13 I have a topic - LinuxTag 15:03:19 Ilmehtar: cool :-) 15:03:25 #topic Review of past AIs 15:03:39 first AI is "Ilmehtar and darix work out the cloaking thingy" 15:03:43 Ilmehtar: any update? 15:04:17 sigh, sorry, no. if darix is here, can he suggest a time/date when he could go through it with me, I'll do my best to shift heaven and earth to be there to learn from him 15:04:43 Ilmehtar: tomorrow 1900 UTC? 15:04:55 darix: deal, I'll be here 15:05:07 #info Ilmehtar and darix will discuss the cloaking topic tomorrow 15:05:07 vuntz: sorry I am indeed here 15:05:18 I'll leave the AI intact, then 15:05:23 #action Ilmehtar and darix work out the cloaking thingy 15:05:28 hey FunkyPenguin :-) 15:05:40 the other AI we have is "vuntz continue to work on access for planet.o.o" 15:05:44 why say you're here... we can sense Funkyness a mile away 15:06:00 so several people mailed me to volunteer to help maintain planet.o.o 15:06:06 so it's all good from that perspective 15:06:13 vuntz: needs ticket system before we can continue with that AI 15:06:49 darix: oh, do we? 15:07:11 I know that henne got access to the server and was suggesting to move this website somewhere else 15:07:25 i am glad he talks to me about that. -.- 15:07:26 (and I miserably failed to talked to him this week about this topic) 15:07:35 darix: I told him to go to you :-) 15:08:04 #info for planet.o.o, we got volunteers to help maintain (thanks!) 15:08:38 vuntz: ticket system so i can sort out all the planet requests into a queue that is interesting for those volunteers 15:09:03 #info darix points out we need a ticket system to handle planet-related requests 15:09:21 once we have the ticket system we can also involve more people into other parts 15:09:31 does that mean we have to continue to ignore p.o.o requests until a ticket system is in place? 15:09:37 #info still need to find the right solution to let volunteers be able to maintain planet.o.o 15:10:14 vuntz: there is no trouble 15:10:18 commit to git 15:10:24 let cronjob pull changes 15:10:24 done 15:10:47 this kinda works for conference.o.o atm 15:10:57 ah, I can buy that waiy 15:11:03 darix: if planet.o.o is on git..do you mean github? could we therefore use githubs issue ticket system? job done? 15:11:26 dastergon: i found the issue with the cronjob 15:11:46 Ilmehtar: it might be still on gitorious but in general yes 15:12:10 Ilmehtar: though i would like to keep all the requests for opensuse admin stuff on admin@o.o 15:13:14 i am new to opensuse-projects meetings. i am here to discuss about gsoc (representetive from owncloud). am i in the right place? 15:13:20 ok, so let's keep the AI until this is fixed 15:13:25 zimba12: yep, gsoc is the next topic :-) 15:13:41 vuntz: great. thanks 15:13:47 #action vuntz to help sort the planet.o.o maintenance 15:13:48 here, sorry 15:14:01 here.....had to step away 15:14:21 zimba12: q: cant owncloud apply themself to gsoc? 15:14:23 wstephenson_, Why are you sorry for being here. We like you. 15:14:23 #info for reference, planet.o.o is maintained at https://gitorious.org/opensuse/planet-opensuse 15:14:31 okay, let's move to gsoc 15:14:38 #topic GSoC status 15:14:56 saurabhsood91: here's the microphone :-) 15:15:02 darix: no, that's why I am here :) 15:15:03 * saurabhsood91 steps up 15:15:29 loads of projects added on the ideas page. decent week. now, we have about 14 projects added with mentors :) 15:15:39 zimba12: Are you allesandro :) 15:15:42 darix: first, it's too late. second, we don't have enough mentors/projects to apply by ourself yet 15:15:46 manugupt1: yes 15:16:05 hey zimba12 15:16:09 zimba12: a working owncloud 5 with sharing would be gold. 15:16:47 darix: :) 15:16:50 saurabhsood91: hi 15:17:13 darix: in the future we will probably apply as independent organization 15:17:59 we also have many orgs coparticipating with us such as owncloud, supertuxcart, syslog 15:18:29 #info many projects added to the ideas page 15:18:40 can i still add projects to the ideas page 15:18:40 ? 15:18:43 zimba12: yes 15:18:45 #info including 14 projects that have mentors 15:18:46 zimba12: sure ;) 15:18:50 * suseROCKs wants to see ownCloud GSoC application "ownCloud Mission: To annihate Google's cloud serices. Please sponsor us!" 15:19:01 :) 15:19:05 suseROCKs: LOL!!! :D 15:19:08 #info working with other orgs that will possibly co-participate with us (owncloud, supertuxcart, syslog) 15:19:45 Hey zimba12 do you have any questions ? 15:19:47 suseROCKs: that's why it's better to hide under: "we promote synchronization among distributions...." 15:19:49 :) 15:20:03 hehe 15:20:07 manugupt1: yes. does everyone have access to the wiki page? 15:20:12 zimba12: yes.. 15:20:18 Anyone with an account at openSUSE 15:20:30 or even without an account 15:20:31 a student modified the idea page by putting his name as a student 15:20:45 thing that I found very annoying 15:21:19 zimba12: they should prefix it by 'interested' if they edit it 15:21:21 * manugupt1 checks 15:22:02 i still see Student Needed on the ownCloud project 15:22:06 That is the idea 15:22:23 saurabhsood91: that's because I re-edited it 15:22:31 zimba12: oh... 15:22:39 * manugupt1 has a watch on the page 15:22:42 saurabhsood91: he did prefix it by 'interested', but I don't like that either 15:22:50 manugupt1: ok, great 15:23:07 zimba12, how about using the ownCloud newsletter to promote the spot? 15:23:09 zimba12: I missed it somehow and I will make try it does not happen next time 15:23:29 suseROCKs: I am using our ml already 15:23:46 oh ok 15:23:57 zimba12: could you add a line on the wiki, saying that we have a student interested? 15:24:01 didn't notice, but then again, I haven't looked at the latest newsletter (haven't seen it yet) 15:25:42 anything else on gsoc? 15:25:51 did we already apply? 15:26:03 Yes 15:26:09 No vuntz we will apply this weekend 15:26:15 We have a few questions 15:26:20 when is the deadline for adding project on the wiki page? 15:26:25 #info we will apply next week-end 15:26:35 zimba12: preferably this friday 15:26:41 manugupt1: ok 15:26:53 vuntz, I believe he said this weekend, not next weekend :-) 15:26:57 manugupt1: i dont think there is a deadline. we can keep on adding projects 15:27:13 i dont think we freeze the ideas page when we apply 15:27:16 saurabhsood91: preferably because we are also vouching for stk and syslog :) 15:27:27 manugupt1: which syslog exactly? 15:27:27 saurabhsood91: well, having a lot of projects in the ideas page matters only during the application time 15:27:29 We wont freeze it anyways but we will clean them up this weekend 15:27:31 manugupt1: ok... 15:27:33 syslog-ng 15:27:37 rsyslog? syslog-ng, old classic syslog 15:27:39 manugupt1: yeah. remove the mentorless ones 15:27:46 syslog-ng 15:27:57 saurabhsood91: i would add osc2 with me as mentor please 15:28:16 darix: cool... 15:28:26 UI work this year 15:29:02 darix: will add it, but will need a description of what is expected 15:29:25 I have a few questions 15:29:34 sorry few questions without the "a" 15:29:54 sure, fire :-) 15:30:30 darix: could you send a short description? i will add it to the wiki 15:30:40 First one is regarding ideas, as I was discussing with saurabhsood91 that if we allot atleast one idea to a project (say ownCloud, etc) might not be feasible as openSUSE in general had last year 7 projects 15:30:56 If mentors decide that would be great 15:31:30 that can also mean, a project (not from openSUSE) can also get ignored 15:32:05 But that would be mentors deciding amongst themselves and no role of us 15:32:09 How does that sound 15:32:26 manugupt1: oh, will be have a limited number of projects in total? 15:32:32 zimba12: No 15:32:46 the idea was atleast 1 so that no one is annoyed 15:33:04 manugupt1: in the end, I think it's up to the admins to decide how to handle that. If you want to delegate that to mentors, then it works (at least, for me :-)) 15:33:20 zimba12: but then mentors decide on other slot together 15:33:40 (it kind of makes sense to see if mentors can come to an agreement, and only step in if needed) 15:33:51 I think vuntz is right 15:33:57 zimba12: can I have your opinion on it 15:34:04 vuntz: i agree. seems a decent way 15:35:05 zimba12: opinion? 15:35:21 not sure I understand the issue 15:35:41 google doesn't give a bound on the number of projects, does it? 15:35:51 * zimba12 forgets the rules every year 15:35:53 zimba12: we will have a limited number of slots for opensuse, and would have to decide how many slots each rach colocating project gets 15:35:55 zimba12: Google gave us 7 slots last year 15:36:01 manugupt1: 12 15:36:13 * manugupt1 is forgetful as well :( 15:36:15 manugupt1: oh, will be have a limited number of projects in total? 15:36:15 zimba12: No 15:36:36 ^ misunderstanding? 15:37:11 zimba12: Question was this If we have 12 projects, and say openSUSE is coparticipating with supertuxkart and ownCloud 15:37:31 then should all the projects (12) be decided by mentors itself 15:37:43 or give atleast 1 project to ownCloud and supertuxkart 15:37:57 and then the remaining 10 is decided amount openSUSE, ownCLould and STK 15:38:15 But I feel all the 12 projects should be decided by mentors itself 15:38:50 yes. most important thing is giving it to students who deserve it 15:39:27 that's why it shouldn't be forced to one project or another 15:39:28 That is good that you agree with us 15:39:37 zimba12: +1 15:39:48 I have a 2nd question 15:39:58 on the other hand 15:40:05 * manugupt1 waits 15:40:41 this means that all mentors will have to evaluate all the proposals, which is not feasible 15:40:45 * vuntz points out that we another topic to discuss after gsoc :-) 15:41:26 zimba12: mentors will have to choose the best ideas 15:41:50 because proposals will come in after the ideas are finalized 15:41:52 and also ones which have the best proposals 15:41:56 I am not certain that we have to discuss all the nitty gritty details in the project meetings 15:42:08 robjo: #agreed 15:42:18 we can move on 15:42:19 zimba12: You can discuss on #lugmanipal with me and saurabhsood91 15:42:20 some of this appears to me should be discussed when the time comes and we actually have slots and students 15:42:28 ok 15:42:42 manugupt1: any other major gsoc-related topics? 15:42:42 agree 15:43:25 vuntz: STK asked us a question if openSUSE gets in then how do we handle the money that comes to openSUSE 15:43:40 As they want to buy a tablet for their use 15:44:12 so, for money 15:44:26 this will likely work like for last year 15:44:37 money will go inside SUSE, but marked for use for openSUSE 15:45:00 I'll ask if we can use the money like that 15:45:03 but sounds doable to me 15:45:08 so since STK requested us for money, we can earmark it from openSUSE for them right? 15:45:21 AFAIK by the time we get paid by Google openSUSE will have it's own account 15:45:32 #action vuntz to figure out if GSoC money can be used to buy a tablet for the project (or a co-participating project) 15:46:00 manugupt1: should work, but I'll check to be sure 15:46:09 vuntz: Sure thanks 15:46:20 anything else for gsoc? 15:46:23 I think thats all from my side :) 15:46:37 saurabhsood91: also good for you? 15:46:42 vuntz: yes 15:46:59 let's move on the, 15:47:15 #topic LinuxTag 15:47:34 Ilmehtar had to go 15:47:43 but he left me this: 15:48:32 We're looking for volenteers for LinuxTag, we have had 2 community members step up and 2 SUSE employees offering to help when they can. More will help, please contact RBrownCCB@opensuse.org - I dont know the situation as to whether TSP will be able to help, but I'm following that up 15:49:20 Thanks! 15:49:33 * Ilmehtar is running for a train 15:50:05 Ilmehtar: go faster, don't miss it ;) 15:50:12 Ilmehtar, the train can't run by itself? 15:51:08 * manugupt1 has had one more topic if people would allow 2 minutes 15:52:03 no question on linuxtag? 15:52:09 (sorry had to run for two minutes ;-)) 15:52:30 #info we have 4 people offering to help, more help is welcome 15:52:42 #info please contact Ilmehtar if you want to help 15:52:49 okay, no question on this 15:53:05 #topic AOB 15:53:08 so any other thing? 15:53:13 yeah.. 15:53:15 manugupt1: you mentioned you had another topic? 15:53:19 AOB? 15:53:26 any other business 15:53:59 One thing this November we will have FOSS.in, openSUSE's traditional prescence on Asia's largest conference has been very low, also FOSS.in promotes highly technical talks 15:54:36 So I guess if anyone can come and give a talk representing openSUSE would be very good 15:55:29 #info FOSS.in (conference in India) will be in November; openSUSE-related talks are welcome! :-) 15:55:42 We may apply for a booth, along with that the same may give us a chance for a hakathon or a get together 15:55:54 manugupt1: +1 15:56:04 in India 15:56:07 manugupt1: if there's a good topic for a hackathon, that could make sense 15:56:35 vuntz: yes.. off course :) 15:57:05 while it is good to import people to "seed" a major event in a particular country (like we did at SCaLE two years ago and now it is very self-sufficient locally) the primary goal has to be to infuse local community 15:57:27 In other words, it should be viewed as an investment with the ROI being increased local commitment in subjequent years. 15:57:44 To that aspect, what can we do to shore up local community commitment to openSUSE in the region? 15:58:00 suseROCKs: The booth will be handled by Locals right :) 15:58:28 And can the locals also give talks? We generally consider the booth staffers also the presenters. 15:58:28 manugupt1: locals should give the talks as well 15:58:49 robjo: Talks off course, We will apply 15:59:07 robjo: that would be preferable, but it is an open suggestion to the community 15:59:25 But as far as I know FOSS.in has taken prominent speakers in the past 15:59:40 I will contact srinidhi and atri for talks 15:59:49 the possible problem is that the local community may not be educated eough on the primary benefits and technical expertise. That's where a first year import-infusion can be beneficial. 16:00:25 So, probably a good idea would be to first identify where the knowledge gap exists locally, figure out if they can be taught beforehand, and if not, send people there with the idea that we don't keep sending people every year from faraway places. 16:00:52 saurabhsood91: sounded more like "wee need someone to come and talk", sorry for the misunderstanding, I do not appear to be alone on this though ;) 16:01:04 If we have to keep sending people annually, then well..> I consider that a failed investment 16:01:32 #info suseROCKs points out that we should use this as an opportunity to help grow the local community that will be able to do more and more for such local events in the future 16:02:18 manugupt1: might be worth discussing your plans for foss.in on the opensuse-ambassadors or opensuse-marketing lists 16:02:24 robjo: it is not as if we 'need' sometone to come and give a talk. it is just that it would be good. we would try and get more indian speakers to apply on opensuse, and that will be very desirable if we have a sizeable number 16:02:42 vuntz: Sure.. 16:02:56 it would do well to rev up the indian community ;) 16:03:16 saurabhsood91: +1 16:03:31 ok, any other topic / question? 16:03:31 saurabhsood91, +1 even if India is a very small country with only 1 Billion people or so. 16:03:40 (and we can keep discussing foss.in after the meeting, obviously) 16:04:31 I have a brief one, 16:04:41 go ahead 16:04:50 I'd like to recommend you add an "Initiatives" secton to the agenda permanently... Let me explain... 16:05:23 In the olden Project Meeting days, these meetings were fertile ground for creating new ideas during meetings. For example, Community week was a byproduct of an in-meeting discussion. 16:05:46 suseROCKs: just add it to the agenda? :-) 16:05:48 so if you have an "initiatives" section, dedicating the last 10 min or so of a meeting, you might encourage people to come up with great ideas during meetings. 16:06:19 vuntz, yes, as a permanent part of your agenda 16:06:24 That sounds cool +1 16:06:33 #info suseROCKs suggests to have a permanent "Initiatives" topic to the agenda so that new ideas can be discussed during the meetings 16:07:03 suseROCKs: you misunderstood me: I was meaning that you should simply go ahead and add it to the agenda ;-) 16:07:49 vuntz, I kind of understood that, even if you're French! :-) I meant to say, it shouldn't be something to be remembered and added each time but something that is a fixed part. That's all :-) 16:08:03 heh 16:08:06 :D 16:08:07 okay, anything else? 16:08:30 yes yes 16:08:37 very quickly, then 16:08:57 we are working some things out for summit 2013, is the ml for the summit still working? 16:09:04 note: 5 board members present today 16:09:06 or can it be enabled agan 16:09:22 anditosan: I sent a message to mladmin 16:09:31 robjo: thanks :D 16:09:35 that's it for me :D 16:10:19 #info summit mailing list is getting revived (mailed sent to mladmin) 16:10:20 ok 16:10:26 we're done! 16:10:33 thanks for joining! 16:10:35 bye.. :) 16:10:43 #endmeeting