15:02:01 #startmeeting openSUSE project meeting 15:02:01 Meeting started Wed Mar 6 15:02:01 2013 UTC. The chair is robjo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:01 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02:12 Hi everyone 15:02:25 can we get a role call from board members please 15:02:55 present! 15:03:16 Ilmehtar: was here a few minutes ago 15:03:50 FunkyPenguin: ping 15:04:36 OK, that makes two of us, an improvement over last week, we'll see if we can keep the trend going 15:04:39 isn't he in HK today? 15:05:10 could be, not my day to keep track of FunkyPenguin ;) 15:05:16 either he's 6 hours ahead or on a plane home: https://twitter.com/awafaa/status/308788169787203584 15:06:00 Let me start by welcoming Ilmehtar to the openSUSE Board, hopefully everyone saw the announcement on the -project list 15:06:41 Lets get to the action items form the last meeting 15:06:55 #topic review AIs from last meeting 15:07:20 darix: Ilmehtar did you guys sort out the cloak setup stuff? 15:08:09 robjo: he tried to ping me once yesterday 15:08:17 but i was too busy with getting widehat ready for release 15:08:19 indeed I did 15:08:35 robjo I am indeed in Hong Kong, just heading to bed after a long day in China, sorry 15:08:40 we'll get our act together, are you going to be free after this meeting darix? 15:08:48 robjo: see query 15:08:57 (Sorry for missing the first 5 minutes.. my boss was talking to me) 15:08:57 Ilmehtar: more or less 15:09:05 FunkyPenguin: weak :p 15:09:18 FunkyPenguin: needs to stay up another hour ;) 15:09:38 OK, lets carry that topic for another couple of weeks 15:09:56 #action Ilmehtar and darix work out the cloaking thingy 15:10:54 vuntz is working on the admin access topic for planet.o.o thus this remains open 15:11:10 #action vuntz continue to work on access for planet.o.o 15:11:38 hey Ilmehtar, congrats! 15:11:46 Neither CarlosRibeiro nor Roguehorse appear to be here 15:12:46 "vuntz continue to work on access for planet.o.o" good news!! 15:13:04 and that'll do for the action items from last meeting, any questions? 15:13:45 can i have a chocolate cookie? 15:14:13 dispense cookie for darix 15:14:38 the agenda is pretty barren: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting 15:14:44 thus on to GSoC 15:14:48 well, it's nearly release time 15:14:52 #topic GSoC update 15:14:57 * saurabhsood91 is here 15:15:16 saurabhsood91: anything new to report? 15:15:18 got some activity for gsoc. we got the announcement on the news page 15:15:37 robjo: got a reply from syslog. they will be in if they dont get on their own 15:16:26 sounds good, anything else on GSoC? 15:16:32 i also added ideas from last year's ideas page to this year's page. I have left out mentor names, as I havent got replies about whether they are interested or not 15:16:40 we can count these ideas open for mentoring 15:17:13 thats all for status. we still have about 10 days to work on the ideas page 15:17:14 i think some mentors are waiting to see if there are interesting project proposals 15:17:50 wstephenson__: i think we have quite a lot of unimplemented stuff from last year 15:18:13 saurabhsood91: can you send another message to -project and maybe -factory when we have about 5 days left to fill the ideas page, as a "finally drive"? 15:18:43 robjo: sure. i will do that. i was thinking of sending one today itself 15:18:58 * vuntz is joining for a few minutes 15:19:24 Anything else on GSoC? 15:19:43 no 15:19:49 #topic What else? 15:20:03 anyone interested in hearing about 12.3? 15:20:14 Certainly 15:20:26 I am, what's the news? 15:20:31 all ears ;) 15:20:32 there has been lots of last minute work to get Secure Boot working, without breaking Insecure Boot ;) 15:21:05 basically shuffling different combinations of MBR, GPT EFI partitions, and signed bootloaders so they all work 15:21:21 I noticed the 'shim' being pulled down last time I did a dup, is that meant to be on every machine even if there is no grub-efi? 15:22:02 so far so good, unless you do something weird like install 12.2 in legacy mode, switch the bios to UEFI, and try to do a dual boot from the legacy bootloader 15:22:06 Ilmehtar: dunno, will check 15:22:41 also there has been a flurry of activity on bug 798348, which concerns yast/systemd/networkmanager/ifup 15:22:45 openSUSE bug 798348 in openSUSE Factory (Network) "No network without networkmanager" [Major,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/798348 15:23:02 if that is fixed we have no more blockers 15:23:37 a large part of the opensuse team have been mostly doing QA this last couple of weeks 15:24:01 fixing up openqa for 12.3 and doing manual testing of non-virtual hardware features 15:24:49 so if all goes according to plan we will have a gold master image in the next couple of days, and then it's in the hands of darix and colleagues to make the download magic happen next week 15:25:14 at the same time, jospoortvliet has been working on the release annoucement, sneak peeks, etc 15:25:27 do you think if any of the team will have any ideas on how we can get more contributors involved in QA for 13.1? 15:25:48 i think all that is in hand, but you might notice more focus on engineering and less on press work than with 12.3 15:26:03 we were looking at a new Testopia QA effort 15:26:47 but we shelved it for 12.3 as the existing test suites were too outdated to use, and we didn't have time to update them by a useful point in time 15:27:25 and the question stands whether the community has any interest in plugging through Testopia test runs 15:27:40 we may set up a model QA project early next release to test that 15:27:57 my impression is that Secure Boot is possibly the biggest issue, and the issue is that not a lot of people have hardware with UEFI 15:28:34 yup, and the problem is that those who do are mostly likely new opensuse users 15:29:00 we'll see 15:29:03 ick, I hadn't thought of it like that 15:29:07 and how many users want to find out if you can brick their system with using uefi ;) 15:29:25 we have 3 secure boot machines here on the floor and they are constantly being reinstalled to test 15:29:30 yep, turn the crap off ;) 15:29:53 IIRC, it's only specific samsung uefi implimentations that are brickable - I guess we're at that stage where even the OEM's dont quite know what they're doing yet 15:30:25 we don't know how bad it is 15:30:35 Ilmehtar: yes, OEMs are in for a rude awakening as well 15:30:37 at least we have a kernel with the mitigation patches in 15:30:46 my laptop has a uefi (not secure boot) mode.. and every time I've tested it, it's been a comedy of errors - it doesn't even look for its boot files in the right place 15:30:52 but afaics all are using some derivative of the tianocore uefi firmware 15:31:11 having said that, a bios update is strongly recommended if you want to use uefi 15:32:22 wstephenson__ thanks for the update 15:32:36 yw 15:32:41 Anything else, or are we done early today? 15:33:35 hello everybody 15:33:42 I'm new here. 15:34:07 i should point out that ancor is specifically new in the opensuse team ;) 15:34:08 I'm a new member of the openSUSE Team at Suse offices in Nuremberg 15:34:27 That's it then. Thanks everyone for attending. The next project meeting will be in two weeks at the same time 15:34:55 Please note that the US is changing to Summer time this coming weekend 15:34:55 ancor: oh welcome! 15:35:22 ancor: tell us what you'll be doing for the project 15:35:33 I'm mainly a Ruby on Rails developer and this week 15:35:55 I started the development of an application for managing the openSUSE Travel Support Program 15:36:51 It will be published (as a work in progress) this week on github 15:36:56 Hi ancor 15:37:03 oh that'll be nice! so people applying will be able to check their status of their requests and such? 15:37:28 yes, this kind of things 15:38:32 we are developing a generic travel support program application that can be used in other upstreams projects alike 15:38:37 like gnome or kde 15:38:52 and then, we will adapt the application to openSUSE 15:39:16 integrating it with the rest of the infrastructure 15:39:31 great!..hmm.. how's your javascript? 15:39:43 I hope that it would be the first project of a large list 15:39:51 Ilmehtar: in rails you don't javascript, you jquery 15:40:02 or even worse, you coffee 15:40:43 Ilmehtar: coolo is right. I always use jquery 15:41:01 but I'm not still used to coffee 15:41:08 tea, then? 15:41:10 ancor: oh, sorry. you can't know yet: coolo is always right 15:41:17 I ask because one of the things on my list was looking into the possibility of using something like LO's 'Bug Submission Assistant' against our bugzilla 15:41:58 nice 'end user friendly' bug submission interface, a bit like those guided forms we already have in our bugzilla, just even less scary looking for userrs 15:41:58 I suppose I can add it to my list too 15:42:01 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Bug_Submission_Assistant 15:43:00 Ilmehtar: I'll take a look 15:43:12 ahh, and it uses JQuery ;-) .. I haven't really had any time to look at it yet, but its one of those things I saw at FOSDEM and thought "Wow, that could be really useful for the project" 15:43:24 ancor: thank you 15:43:46 ancor: thanks for presenting yourself 15:44:07 i guess you can find him here or at opensuse-web@opensuse.org 15:45:26 15 minutes left, anything else? 15:45:50 i'd like to wrap so i can reboot and test more stuff ;) 15:46:08 That's good enough for me 15:46:20 #endmeeting