20:08:20 #startmeeting 20:08:20 Meeting started Wed Jun 27 20:08:20 2012 UTC. The chair is AlanClark. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:08:20 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 20:09:15 #chairs henne FunkyPenguin AlanClark mrdocs yaloki 20:10:22 Welcome to the project meeting. 20:10:49 There is one item on the agenda 20:11:10 A trademark usage request 20:11:23 These type of requests require approval by the Board 20:11:40 Doesn't look like we have a Board quorum today 20:11:55 so will defer this agenda item. 20:12:24 AlanClark: I think we discussed moving the meeting time last time 20:12:36 * mrdocs thinks its bad for the .eu folks 20:12:43 the time that is 20:13:09 mrdocs, did you determine a better time? 20:13:35 at the last meeting 20:13:52 well I agreed to going earlier in the morning our time... 20:13:56 I agree that since we changed the time attendance has been lacking 20:13:57 any objections ? 20:14:06 no 20:14:24 we seemed to have much better attendance at 1700 UTC 20:14:53 so I think we should just move it and announce it on the various mail lists 20:15:00 I agree. 20:15:37 #action mrdocs will write to the internal board and project list announcing the new time 20:15:53 thanks mrdocs you beat me to the action 20:16:11 :D 20:16:29 will you also email vincent so that he will change the email 20:16:53 yes 20:16:59 thanks. 20:17:07 that's an easy one :) 20:18:01 Anyone have other topics for today's meeting? 20:18:52 it was proposed to discuss the eufi booting issue, but that is more technical and not fully clear what is going on 20:19:46 mrdocs, yes, but was requested removed, seems openSUSE and SUSE folks are working on it 20:19:46 UEFI is very complicated - license, technical, political 20:19:55 exactly 20:20:09 The project does need an answer. 20:20:43 The project needs an answer, but SUSE also needs an answer, and it seems that those two answers should be "in sync" with each other. 20:20:47 SUSE does have several people investigating the issue 20:21:12 for sure, but it seems there are two directions the actual UEFI/secure boot is going now :( 20:21:32 hendersj - yes, that's why I recommend that we let the SUSE folks get further on their investigation 20:22:15 We can then leverage their findings 20:23:17 I think that's good, but it might be beneficial as well to leverage what expertise there is in the community as well - closed discussions on such an important topic seem somewhat counter to the open ideals of the openSUSE Project. 20:23:34 hendersj: i definitely agree there 20:23:59 maybe they could summarize a status on the project ML? 20:24:18 I'll ask them to summarize to the project ML 20:25:11 Thanks, Alan. 20:25:30 Thans AlanClark 20:25:36 I think the community would also like to know how they can help. 20:26:16 #action AlanClark to ask the SUSE UEFI engineers to summarize their current investigation and findings to the project mailing list; let the community know how they can help 20:28:24 Other topics for today? 20:28:32 none from me 20:28:42 Would this be a good place to raise some infrastructure questions? 20:29:02 hendersj: sure 20:29:09 at least we can try ot help.... 20:29:12 :) 20:29:36 The weekend before last, we had an issue with static.opensuse.org becoming unavailable - that affected a number of different services, including the forums. 20:29:55 yeah i saw that 20:30:08 we seem to be snake bitten on weekends with web services :( 20:30:41 One of the thoughts that occurred to me (I also talked with Matt and Lars was involved as well) was the idea of looking for a way to mirror that data (currently hosted in Germany) so it doesn't affect services hosed in Utah so severely. 20:30:58 It seems that this may be a part of our forum issues - it seems static content for the forums comes from that host 20:31:36 So whenever a user connects to the forums, if there's a routing issue between Provo and the data centre in Germany, that contributes to our timeout issues and other general performance issues. 20:32:17 Lars seems receptive to looking into some GeoIP solutions to help make this more flexible and robust 20:32:30 Wondering if anyone has heard anything further on this, as the last I heard was on the 19th. 20:33:33 mrdocs - yeah, the weekends do seem to be problematic for us, even with simple resolutions to the issues (in this case, restarting static got things working again) 20:33:38 I haven't heard anything new 20:35:05 ok - I'm also wondering if the project has any service monitoring that's in use that we might leverage as well? 20:36:37 hendersj: that needs more investigation.. its something we in the board have dicussed is how we can leverage some trusted community members to help with this 20:37:34 mrdocs: Sounds good. If there's any way I can help, I'm willing to do what I can as well. 20:38:49 hendersj: many thanks again for what you have done before on this issue 20:39:32 np - will keep plugging away at it as I have time. :) I've nothing further on this topic for now. 20:39:42 thanks hendersj 20:39:47 Any other topics? 20:41:14 ok, then let's close and watch the extra time 20:41:30 agreed 20:42:02 Remember the time change for the next meeting. 20:42:07 #endmeeting