18:08:35 #startmeeting openSUSE @ SUSECon Kickoff Meeting 1-Feb-2012 18:08:35 Meeting started Wed Feb 1 18:08:35 2012 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:08:35 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:08:48 #chair AlanClark 18:08:48 Current chairs: AlanClark suseROCKs 18:09:13 Alrighty folks, a quick explanation before we go on with the actual agenda... 18:09:50 Today is a kickoff meeting, and we want to be as inclusive as possible. So we will ensure to record everything and make sure it is seen elsewhere 18:10:00 I will blog regularly about our progress 18:10:14 and keep our wiki page updated as well as send messages to the -project ML 18:10:48 We will not entirely work on IRC, but as is traditional, for all of our openSUSE Conference plannings, we start off with an IRC Kickoff meeting 18:10:54 any questions before we proceed? 18:11:47 Very well then, here is our agenda: http://en.opensuse.org/SUSECon_Planning#Feb_1.2C_Kick_off_meeting_agenda 18:11:56 1. Define the target audience for this event 18:11:56 2. We need to name this event 18:11:56 3. Breaking down the planning: What needs to be planned 18:11:56 4. Call for Volunteers 18:12:07 and on to first topic! 18:12:19 #topic Define the target audience for this event 18:13:07 who wants to express their thoughts about this? 18:13:49 druonysus? 18:13:51 well I think we should target not only people but also anyone who is interested in openSUSE 18:14:28 I favor a wide focus, at least the current users. 18:15:00 I believe this must follow the strategy focus for target users, http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy#Target_users 18:15:11 Maybe investigate what LUGs there are in the area as well 18:15:17 so is our target audience those who are already using openSUSE in some form? Or do we want to reach out to people beyond openSUSE? 18:15:30 Hi CarlosRibeiro 18:15:44 suseROCKs: ;) 18:16:02 well let me point out that the focus (theme) of the openSUSE Conference last time was "RWX" 18:16:04 +1 on CarlosRibeiro for target users. 18:16:09 workingwriter_: I don't think we should leave out cuttent user... keep in mind that is is a good opertunity to have people in the US come and see openSUSE and the community around the project 18:16:19 Which meant people were there to talk, write and do it. 18:16:22 anditosan: goos point, but how will we get this informations from lug? any idea 18:16:33 CarlosRibeiro, I can find out! 18:16:36 a kind of a quickly survey? 18:17:05 Should we have half talks and half how-tos? Do we want to have hackfests? 18:17:24 I think osc is a better target for deep technical discussions, perhaps we focus this on target users? 18:17:44 Agreed, I think talks/howtos will be more effective in US 18:17:47 We should not exclude anyone, but focus efforts on who we have. 18:17:50 I think a hackfest of sorts would be cool 18:18:03 suseROCKs, we could also have beginners sessions for people to know how to get involved in the projec 18:18:19 anditosan, sure 18:18:26 I think a beginners track might be nice. A way to draw in new linux users 18:18:29 AlanClark: I agree with you, spcially because openSUSE in not such well know for the general ppl in US, and only few techs over there could be named as tech opensuse/suse guys 18:18:30 anditosan: I like that idead 18:18:36 sshaw, do you think we can get enough folks to create a meaningful hackfest? (keeping in mind this is only a weekend-event) 18:18:55 not sure 18:19:13 maybe not a hackfest in the traditional sense 18:19:33 what about a particular project, something directed? 18:19:41 sshaw: +1 for beginners track, "lizards gets hands dirty sessions" 18:19:46 maybe a developer hangout corner that is fully stocked with all the latest in caffeine products and snackes? 18:19:50 snacks 18:20:25 Note that because of the flexibility of hackfests, we don't have to actually SAY there will be "x" hackfest. 18:20:34 sshaw: that sounds good... and I think we could pull off something like that and the "lizards gets hands dirty sessions" 18:20:43 We didn't really do that for oSC either. Whatever hackfests happeened during the conference were pretty much ad hoc 18:21:01 YesAbsolutely have a beginners track. 18:21:55 begginers sessions also could be recorded and published at blip.tv channel 18:22:00 ok I think we have a general consensus (which we should also present to the mailing list for any thought) that we will focus mainly on talks and howtos with some beginner level stuff 18:22:16 CarlosRIbeiro +1 18:22:28 YES 18:22:38 CarlosRibeiro, Sure, but that's really a separate topic related to venue planning itself 18:23:22 another suggestion is to have a quickly workshop about whot to migrate from windows to openSUSE, http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:How_to_migrate_from_Windows 18:23:39 Hold on folks... 18:23:56 specific session talks really go into CFP proposals. We're talking about target audience now. 18:24:06 ok 18:24:27 do you know any 18:24:29 CarlosRibeiro, its a great idea, for sure. I like it a lot. Just we only have about an hour meeting time and we need to stay on track for kickoff focus 18:24:34 suseROCKs: ok, keep going 18:24:35 good online todo list 18:24:55 if we wanted to pull in more hackers, we could invite other .orgs to hold their hackfest as part of our event = I'm not a fan of this idea but throw it out for discussion 18:25:53 AlanClark: I like this idea, of course every idea and actions could have pros and cons, but I really like the ideo to have ppl from apache, gimp, inkscape, bender, around us 18:25:55 AlanClark: I think its always good to try and build our developer community. 18:26:06 An interesting concept. 18:26:28 maybe even have a developer track making developers part of the focus group 18:26:37 The reason I'm not a fan of the idea is that it can easily become a distraction more than a benefit 18:26:53 does anyone think we could pull off a kind of showcase for people doing interesting things with openSUSE... show how versitile it is? -- think exhibit hall kind of thing but all openSUSE deminstartions?... just want to get other peoples feel for something like that? 18:27:10 well if there are specific areas that openSUSE needs help with, we can put that as a subject of this hackfest 18:27:17 I have an idea in mind for a session or workshop or talk 18:27:20 which brings us back to our original question of "target audience" Are we using this event to "spread the word of openSUSE" or is this more an "internal" event to work within our own community of users and developers? 18:27:27 SUSE has some really cool tool for developers 18:27:46 suseROCKS - you're asking the right question 18:27:57 AlanClark: yes, but if we already know problem is time to think in a kind of workaorund to no let get distracted, instead of let they out of the game, i think 18:28:05 We could also invite FLOSS-Manuals folk to have a booksprint. 18:28:21 sshaw: it has a lot of really good tools for everyone... and some things people just really dont know about (something we could aim to fix in the beginners track) 18:28:31 so in summary, our target audience as of right now is people who are interested in openSUSE, do particular openSUSE projects, and developers who could code for openSUSE during our sessions? 18:29:14 druonysus, sure, but at the same time, it could be argued that we should use the time to educate our own community about our strengths and then subsequently they preach the goodness in their home areas. 18:29:36 Whereas if we are spending a lot of time working with "outsiders" what cost do we end up neglecting our own folks? 18:29:43 suseROCKs: I see the point 18:29:54 Can we strike a good balance? That's the question. Especially in the limited weekend time frame 18:30:04 two groups 18:30:31 Remember, this isn't really meant to be like a trade show (like SCaLE or similar) 18:30:33 suseROCKs, we could identify then working from the inside out, first encourage our members and then move outwards 18:30:36 agree with anditosan summary 18:30:58 anditosan: brilhant path 18:31:14 anditosan, isn't that what my point was earlier? :-) We focus on ourselves first and then when they go home they preach in their communities 18:31:28 CarlosRIbeiro, maybe indetifying members of our community who could make it. 18:31:40 suseROCKs, we think alike hehehe yes 18:32:35 ok so I'm going to summarize the questions we have raised here and put it to the List, so we can move on to next topic 18:32:38 suseROCKs, my question would be how do we work on communicating and encouraging our own members to attend? 18:32:47 anditosan: suseROCKs as soon everyone inside are at the same page and with same directoins, time to go out 18:32:58 suseROCKs: why dont you guys create 2 groups, one for opensuse folks and one for newcomers ? :) 18:33:01 CarlosRibeiro, Exactly 18:33:28 Creatura85, I'll include that in the question too. 18:33:37 ok so let's move on to naming 18:33:46 #topic We need to name the event! 18:34:04 If you all look at the agenda, you'll notice that there are several names proposed for this event 18:34:23 quickly link for theses names, please 18:34:24 suseROCKs: i dont think that the day when openSUSE comes to my home country for a conference is that close :P 18:34:55 I really like the one druonysus proposed but with a slight modiication: openSUSE Huddle - North America 18:35:05 sorry I've found 18:35:14 Question is would people understand the significance of "huddle"? 18:35:38 suseROCKs: I like that Huddle idea... but then again, I would. 18:35:38 suseROCKS - how about we have everyone throw out their name ideas first 18:36:00 Go for it folks! Name it! :-) 18:36:10 openSUSE4U 18:36:10 openSUSE Community Huddle 18:36:25 Geeko Community Huddle 18:36:27 :D 18:36:34 a fork of druonysus idea 18:36:41 openSUSE Summit (oSS) 18:36:43 United Lizards, openSUSE Conference 18:36:49 I think the work huddle is fairly universal in the US 18:36:55 I like openSUSE Summit 18:37:12 I like openSUSE Summit as well 18:37:13 Summit sounds a bit too... political if you ask me 18:37:18 I would like to avoid "Conference" because we don't want to confuse from our main conference in EU 18:37:39 I like huddle because... well... everyone wants to be part of a huddle 18:37:47 United Lizards Conference 18:37:48 ... and it sounds fun ;) 18:37:49 I really like, My manager will be so proud to let me go at the openSUSE Summit instead of openSUSE America Camp or U.S. Event 18:37:51 And hopefully as this picks up, in future years, we'll have similar events in other regions of the world 18:37:54 Creatura85: summit is used with open source conferences. I'm not sure that it would be seen as political 18:38:06 +1 for openSUSE Summit 18:38:12 united lizards of openSUSE 18:38:17 Thus a common identifiable name, similar to DrupalCon or FUDCon where no matter where it is held, you know what it is about 18:38:31 well then Nato is talking about open source then at his Summits :D 18:38:48 +1 anditosan 18:38:50 Creatura85: seriously dude? 18:39:07 CarlosRibeiro, Agreed. We should not make the name "US-dependent" 18:39:10 anditosan: I believe lizards or geeko should be used only after this one, because now we are targeting users that may do not understand or associate lizards with openSUSE, but I also really like your idea 18:39:18 no one is going to say oh, openSUSE Summit... openSUSE must be a political thing 18:39:40 CarlosRibeiro +1, we could use it for the meeting after 18:39:45 suscon 18:39:55 sshaw: no but I do see summet as being a bit stuffy 18:39:57 sshaw: no, no, no they will think, ohhh opsSUSE is not just a kind of nerds and geeks coding, they are a serious Linux project 18:40:10 sshaw: that was an e.g of the word "summit" used in a different context 18:40:25 well, I personally do not like summit, because a few other projects use it for their events as well 18:40:34 Carlos is right - Camp and Huddle make it hard to get sponsors and companies support 18:41:01 anditosan: ok, so we can keep going looking for another name is other pppl agre with you 18:41:25 CarlosRobeiro, maybe put it to a vote. Im not sure if it really sticks with people 18:41:41 but I still believing that will be easier for my boss understand to pay my trip to a summit than for camp 18:41:43 sure 18:41:43 Summit does lend to the "regionality" of the event rather than stealing confusion from Conference itself. It has a good potential and easily understandable 18:41:50 AlanClark: I don't think it that woudl be true... I mean maybe camp but if you people know what a huddle is... but I do supose you would know better than I would on that 18:42:39 Huddle has a very homey - we're a family! feel to it. But, could be off-putting to someone who uses openSUSE but doesn't feel like they're part of the community yet 18:43:05 Personally, I *love* Huddle, but I can see its drawbacks 18:43:07 suseROCKs: well that is fixed by marketing 18:43:14 openSUSE Brainuse... trying to make some anology with Brainshare that is a wonderfull name for event 18:43:25 suseROCKs: we have to market it as "come be part of our huddle" 18:43:26 brainsuse 18:43:27 looking at the list of events on the linuxfoundation site you have, Android Builders Summit, Linux Storage, Filesystems and MM Summit, 6th Annual Collaboration Summit, 5th Annual Enterprise End User Summit, and 12th Annual Linux Kernel Summit. Then you have things like the Boston Summit (gnome), XEN Summit, etc 18:43:31 something like that 18:43:49 there is KVM Forum 18:43:52 maybe openSUSE Forum 18:43:55 L 18:43:56 ? 18:44:11 CarlosRibeiro, I think both SUSE and openSUSE are trying to differentiate themselves from Novell now, so using reference to Brainshare would harm that differentiation 18:44:40 sshaw: openSUSE Live Forum? -- not to confuse with a forum online... and it sounds more fun 18:44:41 suseROCKs: yeap, not good aide to associate with "brain" 18:44:43 sshaw, as we have actual openSUSE Forums, that might confuse things in google searches and whatnot 18:44:45 my fault 18:44:51 Practcally every conf I go is eit 18:44:52 what about the felowship of opensuse? 18:45:14 her Camp or Summit. 18:45:25 Fellowship sounds like we're joining a monastery :-) 18:45:41 openSUSE Live Forum, where Lizards comes to Geekos 18:45:57 We should use Fellowship for the title of an evening event 18:46:02 aka we will be in Orlando 18:46:21 Do we want to put this to a general vote via Connect poll? 18:46:24 openSUSE Forum is cool too. we have many important international and global conventions named Forum 18:47:16 openSUSE social forum? 18:47:19 I see the following proposals: 18:47:20 interracial forums, womans forums, scietific forums, onu forums, g8 forums... and now probably openSUSE Forum 18:47:24 - Summit 18:47:25 - Huddle 18:47:28 - Fellowship 18:47:30 - Forum 18:47:38 Am I missing anything? 18:47:48 not necessarily a fan, but symposium 18:47:52 meeting? 18:48:29 - Meeting 18:48:33 sshaw: -1 I dont' like to have a t-shirt with openSUSE symposium, no, no good to design, and work with this name 18:48:36 - Symposium 18:49:26 there ya go, sshaw. He just shot down your idea that you don't like either :-) 18:49:33 anditosan: what name do you think is better to work with design or logos, banners.... 18:49:38 I don't like Symposium either... sounds even more stuffy than summit 18:49:54 anditosan: lets make the name easier for us to work later, ehehe 18:49:55 ok I think we have a good list of proposals. Do we like the idea of putting it to a Connect Poll? 18:50:04 Symposium too academic! 18:50:13 workingwriter_: +1 18:50:19 I was just looking up other conference names and saw it on the list 18:50:22 CarlosRibeiro, Im looking through some names as well and it is easier to convey ideas, for me, with forum, workshop and fellowship 18:50:36 I like workshop 18:50:37 workshop is kind of cool 18:50:46 not sure I care too much for fellowship 18:50:56 particularly given our earlier discssion on audience 18:50:57 anditosan: yeap I like to work with forum integrated with opensuse, in a artwork language 18:51:08 sshaw: workshop sounds okay but sounds a bit limiting 18:51:12 CarlosRibeiro, yes! 18:51:31 I'm not a fan of Forum. I see problems with it as we expand in later years, especially with google search due to the fact that we actually *have* an openSUSE Forums 18:51:43 I could go with workshop 18:51:49 AlanClark: inside openSUSE Forum or any other names, we can have some openSUSE xyz workshops. 18:52:00 Workshop limits the focus, IMO 18:52:09 suseROCKs: I agree 18:52:16 I mean workshop is pretty cool, and must be part of the event, but in my opinioin not for named the event 18:52:33 I tend to agree that workshop is limiting 18:52:37 what about calling it something more than workshop, such as opensuse's open workshop, open forum, open fellowship? 18:52:38 CarlosRibeiro, Right. It doesn't fit with the audience target we spoke bout earlier 18:52:38 this is why I like huddle... c'mon 18:52:45 good old huddle ;) 18:52:53 lol 18:52:55 druonysus: kkkkkk 18:52:55 druonysus: pusher 18:52:56 openSUSE open Forum. Sounds repetitive 18:53:12 druonysus: sorry my friend, but I'm think to raise money from my boss 18:53:31 I'm back to liking Summit 18:53:32 and huddle, will not be a easy taks for me to convince him 18:53:36 openSUSE Gathering? 18:53:40 opensuse world forum? 18:53:41 opensuse social forum 18:53:48 kind of a play off of magic the gathering 18:54:02 AlanClark: +1 18:54:05 listen... the novell thing is called "Brainshare" in my opinion, I think that name is more dificult to get money for than Huddle 18:54:12 Guys, can we put ths to a vote? 18:54:24 suseROCKs, yes! 18:54:35 yes, put to vote 18:54:44 ok vote on Connect Poll, agreed? (We need to let non-meeting attendees have their say) 18:54:49 +1 18:54:59 something of interest to mention is that UDS (Ubuntu Developer Summit) is held in florida every year 18:55:04 +1 suseROCKs 18:55:31 sshaw, and we're going to show them how to do it the right way from now on :-) 18:55:40 sshaw, it will be in california this year 18:55:50 +1 for connect pool 18:55:58 ok 18:55:59 Oakland? no thanks 18:56:00 suseROCKs: okay I suppose we should vote. 18:56:05 * sshaw never wants to go back there 18:56:18 #action suseROCKs will create Connect Poll for event name 18:56:35 sshaw wants to go camp in Oakland 18:56:50 ok I want to quickly go back to the first topic (Target) for just a second with an idea I forgot to mention... 18:57:09 This will be in Florida where there are a lot of spanish-speaking people, and easy for folks from Mexico and Central America to travel to 18:57:22 go Spanish, go! 18:57:36 I'd like to propose we make an effort to have a bi-lingual conference so that Spanish supporters feel welcome too. 18:57:49 Si 18:57:52 We have several Spanish speakers already here in the meeting, I think we can do it. 18:58:10 Thoughts? 18:58:11 just laughing about myself... openSUSE UFC - openSUSE Unique Forum and Conf = openSUSE UFC 18:58:34 +1, but we need to be clear - no simultanious translation - to expensive 18:58:35 suseROCKs, I like the idea. I think it would be good (later) to decide what type of sessions should also be hosted in Spanish, or if we would like to use translation equipment 18:58:37 CarlosRibeiro, No futbol talk. We are not Corinthians! 18:58:40 I doubt many ppl will not stop and ready the article just because have UFC in the event name :D 18:59:04 Ultimate Fighting Championship® (UFC) ? 18:59:09 :) 18:59:13 hehe 18:59:18 come watch the lizards duke it out 18:59:29 sshaw, we hispanics are always in a fight for some reason 18:59:31 so do we generally agree we want to go bi-lingual or only one official language? 18:59:32 yeap, but in pur case, openSUSE Ultimate Forum and Conference 18:59:56 suseROCKs: I like the official language take 18:59:59 one other point - are we capable of building a bilingual program? 19:00:12 but I don't speak spanish 19:00:32 AlanClark, Anditosan, tian and itxshell are spanish speakers who are very interested in attending. And hopefully Federico will be there for SUSECon. 19:00:40 bi-lingual is good, but if we are spending the entirely day to find a simple name in one lnaguage, oh my gosh, we will take forever to bet a bi-language name 19:00:41 I'm thinking of the tools aka indico 19:00:44 AlanClark, we can make translated marketing materials, but we need to decide, after making sessions, which ones should be also in spanish 19:00:48 we're capable of having sessions in Spanish. Are we capable of having translation devices? probably not. 19:01:17 what if we just provide translation services 19:01:29 sshaw: +1 19:01:38 sshaw, translation services require funding, equipment + interpreters 19:01:39 it would suck if there are sessions you'd love to attend, but its not in your language 19:01:42 simultainious translation is very expensive 19:01:50 suseROCKs: we have spanish speakers in here 19:02:06 subtitles ;) 19:02:12 sshaw, but would it be fair to tax them to have to be translating every session instead of being a participant? 19:02:12 then I will be able to subscribe for a talk and no one will be shame about my poor english, great idea master sshaw 19:02:48 do not think it necsario think of an event to attend bilingual Latin American case it is understood that must handle both languages, if viewed from costs should consider the large number of users in Latin America 19:03:27 Itxshell, suseROCKs is thinking mostly of the people of florida who are bilingual, many of them know spanish better than english 19:03:54 sshaw, having spanish speakers != the necessary skill to properly provide live translation. Its a very unique skillset regardless of your language abilities. 19:04:12 anditosan, no I'm not. i'm thinking we can get a lot of people from Central America to go too 19:04:31 what about creating/translating our sessions into spanish after the conference is over and making ourselves, spanish speakers, readily available for translation if people ask for it? 19:04:38 anditosan, for example last year when I ws exploring to create an openSUSE event in Guatemala, tian said we could get 30 people just from Guatemala City to attend that event. 19:04:39 suseROCKs, ok 19:04:49 suseROCKs: I know. I've done it before 19:05:04 anditosan, that is exclusionary and discriminatory. Why bother inviting in the first place if they have to wait until after. 19:05:25 suseROCKs, but I could volunteer to translate for people who want it 19:05:39 ok how's this... 19:06:00 we look at the nuts and bolts as we go along, but for now do we agree whether we want to have a goal of bi-lingual or not? 19:06:14 let pursue bi-lingual 19:06:16 no matter what you do it will be exclusionary 19:06:17 yes 19:06:29 I don't speak spanish so therefore I'm ecluded from all spanish sessions 19:06:46 sshaw, we have trouble understanding your English too :-) 19:06:48 and discriminatory because spanish isn't a language I know 19:06:52 suseROCKs: :) 19:06:55 universality for openSUSE and want to see constraints on a simple translation 19:07:01 suseROCKs: no you just refuse to hear what I'm saying ;) 19:07:06 suseROCKs: AlanClark: and all, openSUSE festival sounds good?, I'm just trying to find another name to satisfy anditosan dammit! 19:07:13 * suseROCKs cranks up the sshaw volume :-) 19:07:19 lol 19:07:36 CarlosRibeiro, Festival sounds like we will have ferris wheels and roller coasters in the parking lot 19:07:38 CarlosRibeiro: would your boss approve $$ for a festival? 19:07:39 and cotton candy 19:07:59 and we already have Disney World down the road. :-) 19:08:07 suseROCKs: but we will not have rollercoster and ferris whells over there? oh no... 19:08:29 CarlosRibeiro, You and I can visit Disney World after the show. Ok? 19:08:35 AlanClark: no, sure he will laugh on my face 19:08:58 suseROCKs works at Dysney, he's the old man from "Up" 19:09:23 yes, sorry guys, forget about festival... hey anditosan you sas at least I try to help you to get another name, but for while my boss only pays for Summit 19:09:26 No I'm Dopey, one of the seven dwarfs. I'm so dopey I forgot to be short. 19:09:45 CarlosRibeiro, no big deal! 19:09:45 ok so next topic! 19:09:50 suseROCKS: here's my proposal - That we pursue bi-lingual sessions and leave it to the CFP process to decide how many we receive 19:10:07 AlanClark, sounds good 19:10:14 it really would be a CFP issue anyway 19:10:17 AlanClark: +1 19:10:18 suseROCKs: don't forget to tag action to someone to publish the poll at connect 19:10:31 CarlosRibeiro, Already did. Keep up! :-) 19:10:49 suseROCKs: ;) 19:10:54 ok the next topic will be crazy with lots of talking here.. 19:11:02 #topic Breaking down the planning 19:11:11 hehehe I'm ready 19:11:29 If you again refer to the Agenda, you will see Alan and I have already listed quite a few items 19:11:56 we will also include a calendar of milestones (see bottom of the wiki page) 19:12:18 We should start identifying our milestones because we need to move quickly on many fronts 19:12:18 nooo I was out of the game for while here, maybe is better to me just listening now 19:13:00 We need to set dates for: 19:13:07 CFP call for papers and deadline 19:13:38 We have a date (March 1) for all artwork. Its important we have posters ready to distribute at FOSS events ASAP to let people know about the event 19:14:00 anditosan, has volunteered to help with artwork. CarlosRibeiro would you like to join in? 19:14:02 anditosan: you see? artwork 19:14:30 suseROCKs: Yes, but I cannot contribute too much, I have no much time now, 19:14:40 CarlosRibeiro, right on it! 19:14:54 but for sure, one two thinks like a poster, or advertsiment, or card... I can give a hand 19:15:01 anybody else would like to help with artowrk? 19:15:15 btw artwork needs the formal name of the event 19:15:30 but Hey anditosan count with me for minor things, wiil be nice to in fact to work with you 19:15:33 I can do it, I remember that tigerfoot metioned that he could render images for me too 19:15:36 So I propose the poll deadline be Feb 11 to vote for the name poll. Agreed? 19:15:43 +1 19:15:49 Agreed - that's plenty of time 19:15:50 CarlosRibeiro, tudo beim goroto! :D 19:16:02 anditosan: gracias amigo 19:16:17 #suserocks to add Milestone Naming Poll to be completed by Feb 11. 19:16:33 suseROCKs: great, perfect 19:16:59 ok what other immediate milestones do we need? 19:17:15 should we open this oportunity to choose the name to others fellow, that are not involved into the openSUSE ecosystem, I mean 19:17:15 We have formation of committees by Feb 8 19:17:30 CarlosRibeiro, What do you mean? 19:17:42 if I create a article about this open pool in portugues, and publish 19:18:05 for sure, more people from brazil will get a chance to choose the right name for get money from their possible sponsors 19:18:51 CarlosRibeiro, Would they come even if they're not part of openSUSE ecosystem? 19:19:04 also, the pool anpunce in portguese and others languages will be a kind of a "Hey openSUSE is here, to help you to help us" 19:19:12 suseROCKs: yes, for your question 19:19:41 because maybe ppl are not involved in openSUSE, but are involved in education, retails, and other markets that use linux 19:19:42 not "pool" ... "poll" 19:20:28 well... I get your point CarlosRibeiro and I agree with what you're tyring to sy 19:20:32 *say 19:20:33 so these ppl could be interested in be part of the event not because the openSUSE name, but because our talks, workshops... 19:20:34 but... 19:20:35 CarlosRibeiro, suseROCKs, if we made it part of our advertisement, surely people would look into other areas where openSUSE is strong 19:21:00 naming is "personal" and I think we should allow openSUSE community to name it, not outsiders. We hope the community will take those points into consideration 19:22:54 CarlosRibeiro, The poll will be conducted on Connect. What I'm unsure of is whether non-members can vote on a poll in Connect. 19:23:47 Anyone else have thoughts on this? 19:24:03 suseROCKS - I think most of the milestones are specifc to planning areas. 19:24:06 suseROCKs: right, I understood 19:24:12 CarlosRibeiro, many non members voted for artwork but using doodle 19:24:29 suseROCKs: Create a poll on the openSUSE members list to avoid such an issue 19:24:38 openSUSE members group on connect 19:25:15 manugupt1, but the question being raised is whether the naming should be limited to members only. CarlosRibeiro has some valid points, but I still feel we should have the right to name our own baby. 19:25:35 hmmm.. 19:25:51 anditosan: great, you are right, good point, but I believe for naming... maybe should not be a good idea. I don't have sure about that 19:26:12 CarlosRibeiro, I see 19:26:34 ok back to our main topic... 19:26:39 breaking down the planning (and its milestones) 19:27:53 There's a list of planning areas on the wiki, what areas have we missed? 19:28:03 artwork, naming, and committee formations are the immediate milestones. 19:28:19 should we let the committees create their own milestones to add to the calendar once they are formed? 19:28:42 +1 on that idea 19:28:43 suseROCKs, I like that idea, set a final submission date for our spread tasks 19:29:10 from marketing and the rest of us plan accordingly 19:29:14 ok let's do that. Kind of pointless to create their milestones before they've even had a chance to talk amongst themselves 19:29:14 suseROCKs: but does we already have this committee? 19:29:30 CarlosRibeiro, That's the next topic: Call for Volunteers :-) 19:29:51 suseROCKs: well ... ok 19:29:57 me me me! artwork! flyers, posters, hand outs, and maybe spanish translation for a couple of sessions 19:30:11 #topic Call for Volunteers 19:30:11 CarlosRibeiro: great segway 19:30:24 hehe 19:30:27 #action artwork! flyers, posters, hand outs, and maybe spanish translation for a couple of sessions 19:30:30 I believe we must first talk about volunteers, and after that ask them to see if they don't mind to handle this taks 19:30:56 CarlosRibeiro, yes that's what we were just saying a few mins ago, to let them handle the milestones themselves 19:31:05 ok 19:31:19 ok so for the call for volunteers: Please note at the top of the wiki page the list of areas we need volunteers for 19:31:24