18:03:47 #startmeeting 18:03:47 Meeting started Wed Dec 14 18:03:47 2011 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:03:47 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:03:55 #meetingtopic openSUSE Project Meeting 18:04:09 so is the meeting now or an hour from now? Last meeting was confusing and most people showed up an hour from now 18:04:09 Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 18:04:42 here ;) 18:04:45 the calendar says 18:00 UTC 18:05:11 date -d "18:00 UTC" 18:05:19 says 5 minutes ago 18:05:37 sure but people still showed up an hour late. so I just wanted to make sure everyone is here 18:05:49 last meeting I had to stop it and restart the meeting n hour later. 18:05:54 do you have a list to cross names off? ;) 18:06:20 henne, board members? 18:06:58 sure. that would have been the next step :) 18:07:34 board members please say aye if you're here! 18:07:37 aye 18:07:45 henne, well if you feel we should go ahead then we'll go ahead. I'm here :-) Just wanted you to know what happened last time 18:08:00 sure. thanks 18:08:17 I'm here. Just got back to my desk 18:08:20 prusnak, mrdocs ping! 18:08:36 prusnak, mrdocs, rhorstkoetter? 18:09:44 so seems we don't have a quorum 18:09:57 lets continue 18:10:37 The topics for this meeting are: 18:10:44 just found a message from mrdocs that he'll be about 20 min late 18:10:53 1. Status Reports (15 minutes) 18:11:01 2. Old Action Items (30 minutes) 18:11:07 3. permission@ requests (5 minutes) 18:11:17 4. Where do we need to improve? (15 minutes) 18:11:25 5. Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 18:11:39 any additional topics we should discuss? 18:11:57 Our Santa Wish List? 18:12:19 henne: a word about participation in election would be nice 18:12:20 I know Satan has a lot to give you suseROCKs :P 18:12:23 suseROCKS in your case I wouldn't worry about it 18:12:45 ah Santa. then I have to agree with AlanClark 18:12:45 I feel the love! 18:13:15 henne I was hoping you meant Santa ;-) 18:13:15 tigerfoot: from whom? 18:14:12 okay lets mold the election stuff into status updates. 18:14:40 #topic Status Reports 18:15:12 #info Teams and individuals send various status reports around. Coolo sends one for the distribution, the OBS team publishes meeting minutes, the boosters their "What are the boosters up to" blogposts for instance. Are there any questions regarding those or do we need to discuss anything in detail? 18:15:32 Or does anyone wants to give a live status report of something? :) 18:15:52 Would be cool if someone wants to do an interpretive dance status report :-) 18:16:05 for instance izabelvalverde or digitltom for the elections? :) 18:16:07 I could give you a report 18:16:16 but not for that 18:16:22 warlordfff: sure. about? 18:16:32 about oSC12 18:16:40 henne so far seems to work well 18:16:43 I have the people you wanted 18:16:52 more 18:17:07 I have 15 people ready to work for it 18:17:29 plus more people during the days of the conference 18:17:46 we have some places available 18:18:02 maybe we find a place for free 18:18:13 to organize it 18:18:14 warlordfff, let's give everyone some background 18:18:19 ok 18:18:24 can you do it AlanClark? 18:18:30 usre 18:18:32 sure 18:18:36 elections 18:18:39 :) 18:18:45 as henne called 18:18:48 elections 202 votes so far 18:19:25 we have 2 topics going at the same time. Let's hold osc12 for a minute while Izabelvalverde reports on elections 18:19:33 the election period ends friday 16th - 23:00 UTC 18:19:54 okay. 202 votes out of? 18:20:43 504 :) 18:20:48 no more members applicataions to be worked? What the total members we have approved now 18:21:00 sorry, I just realized I can look that up myself 18:21:38 CarlosRibeiro: 504. See https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/groups/111/opensuse-members/ 18:22:05 I mean no more people waiting to be approved or not for the membership? 18:22:14 henne: great 18:22:20 les than half voted? 18:22:40 we have a huge chunk of "dead" members 18:23:26 204 is a good number of votes 18:23:28 err 202 18:23:34 CarlosRibeiro: there are currently 11 applicants in the queue 18:23:47 * henne agrees with suseROCKs 18:23:58 henne: fine is not too much , great 18:24:00 I think the queue is in pretty good shape. I was looking at it this morning. 18:24:15 Some of those in the queue looked like new applicants 18:24:43 as in new since the election period started 18:25:07 okay so everything is looking good. hooray :) 18:25:55 henne 504 :) 18:26:08 thank you... phone :) 18:26:33 shall we continue with warlordfff and osc12? 18:27:00 thanks for the update Izabel 18:27:22 ok on to osc12 18:27:27 here's some background 18:27:32 you are welcome :) 18:28:22 At the last project meetting we talked about the feasibility for holding osc12 at locations other than NUE. 18:28:33 I took the action to talk to warlordfff 18:29:03 As warlordfff reported above, they are enthusiastic about the idea. 18:29:25 But we do need to really investigate the feasibility 18:29:32 So what I would propose next 18:29:55 is to send out a call for locations and place the resulting information on the wiki. 18:30:25 btw. prusnak also has "secured" the 8-12 people we talked about 18:30:26 That way we can evaluate the feasibility of the proposals 18:30:33 for prague 18:30:50 yes prusnak is the other person I ha ve the AI to talk to. 18:30:53 so we have 3 options.... 18:30:54 AlanClark: warlordfffwhich options we have for the next oSC instead of NUE and Greece, Prague. Does we have another opition to think about? 18:30:56 location is also somewhat depending on timing 18:31:29 all are in the europe. no plans to spread out to other continent? like asia or america 18:31:51 osc12 will be in Europe 18:32:30 I would like to see us do osc Summits in America and other locations 18:32:51 but let's save that until we get osc12 moving along a bit more 18:32:54 CarlosRibeiro, One of the factors to think about is costs of shipping people around. For example, a lot of attendees are from SUSE itself in NUE. If we go another place, and we want SUSE people there, it impacts overall feasibility 18:33:44 I start to wonder about a kind of mini-brainshare in all around the world, so we may try to think about do the same for oSC, mini oSC with a kind of resume for the event 18:33:46 henne what's the 3rd option? Prague, Greeceand ? 18:33:55 AlanClark: nürnberg? :) 18:34:07 CarlosRibeiro, But the idea of a mini-conference or "summit" is an idea that's been flirted with lately, yes. 18:34:08 henne - yes of course 18:34:38 I was thinking about to have one big and principal conference in europe and small ones around the world 18:35:08 but like AlanClark said, let's deal with that next after we figure out what we need for oSC12 18:35:22 no one will hold you back if you want to organize an event CarlosRibeiro :) 18:35:55 CarlosRibeiro: I agree. I think our recent success in Brazil shows that it is possible 18:36:15 henne: AlanClark brillahnt ;) 18:36:38 how about the way KDE handles it with akademy in europe and camp KDE in the US? 18:37:14 lampakrap - I was using the word Summit - but I like the word camp 18:37:20 tampakrap: how do you mean? 18:37:32 or rather what do you mean by handling? :) 18:38:03 i mean two big events to satisfy both sides of the atlantic 18:38:23 well KDE has a brazilian akademy as well 18:38:27 for a community of around 200 contributors this sounds like overkill... 18:38:30 too many well :D 18:38:39 we need one contributor conference 18:38:46 we can have tons of other events 18:38:51 agree 18:38:59 for all I care, 20 in every country :) 18:39:16 the question now is about the contributor conference... 18:39:19 KDE supports local akademies, there is akademy-fr akademy-es akademy-br maybe more 18:39:23 lo im back and apologies for being late 18:39:27 sorry for being late 18:39:28 i am back 18:39:59 welcome mrdocs, prusnak :) so we have quorum now. great 18:40:04 hey hey mrdocs and prusnak 18:40:13 lo suseROCKs AlanClark henne 18:40:37 let's push on - To summarize I'm in the midst of creating a wiki page and an email to -project 18:41:30 AlanClark: please put it into Category:Conference 18:41:56 will do. I noticed that you've been cleaining up the pages. Thanks for doing that 18:42:01 okay any other status report? 18:42:14 yes 18:42:33 Chicago had its first snow last week. (End of my status report) 18:42:34 about? :) 18:42:54 GCI?? 18:42:57 probably a good spot to update on the financial money handling that I've been working on 18:43:33 manugupt1 is here Let's do his GCI first since it's the middle of the night for him 18:43:45 Thanks AlanClark 18:44:06 Ok... About GCI First session was really awesome but we need more tasks and that too by tomorrow 18:44:11 manugupt1: henne's the moderator 18:44:35 So should I wait? 18:44:47 wrt conference i saw that henne already mentioned i have 8-12 people from CZ office that have ack from their managers that they can spend time on conf organization if there will be one in prague, that's right 18:44:47 nah. go for it 18:45:10 end of offtopic from my side :) 18:45:20 prusnak - awesome. I will follow up with you 18:45:23 henne: Ok.. So The most important part is we need more tasks I have couple of reminders already on my blogs and lists 18:46:02 But we wont be able to add tasks after 16th Dec 0000 UTC.. So if anyone can add tasks please do that.. If I can handle it.. I will try to check up on those tasks 18:46:04 Thats all for me 18:46:41 video tasks were very succesful 18:47:00 most of the tasks came around nicely 18:47:07 let's emphasize that adding tasks doesnot mean you have to be a mentor too. But it would be nice. The important thing here is to get as many ideas and interesting stuff in place for students before the deadline 18:47:32 yeap but ideas without mentors? 18:48:07 warlordfff: Well I am certain we can find someone to review the tasks :) 18:48:09 I took an orphan idea and became a mentor on it and I had troubles 18:49:03 being a mentor is not as hard as it sounds 18:49:05 warlordfff: It was solved too :) 18:49:16 yeap 18:49:25 it was solved 18:49:35 but we spend too much time on it 18:49:40 anyway 18:49:47 just my 2 cents 18:50:13 okay. let's continue with AlanClark 18:50:23 ok 18:51:18 As I think I mentioned in past project meetings, I'm looking into how we can better handle community monies 18:51:29 I'm trying to build a proposal 18:51:43 and am finding that International can be very complicated 18:52:01 do tell ;) 18:52:41 I hope to have a proposal ready the first part of January 18:53:04 sorry it is taking so long 18:53:06 can you explain what you are aiming for? 18:53:13 but it has been an interesting experience 18:53:37 I'm aiming to improve our ability to gather, report and reimburse funds 18:54:02 which includes credit card handling, 18:54:08 is this has something to do with the project me izabelvalverde and Jos are working on? 18:54:46 warlordfff: are you talking about the $5000? 18:54:52 sorry I was not here the previous meeting 18:54:55 yeap 18:54:57 AlanClark: by doing what? :) 18:55:27 Please elucidate I am not sure warlordfff 18:55:50 warlordfff: somewhat in that we want the community to be able to manage those funds 18:56:02 I'm trying to give you the tools to do that 18:56:07 ok 18:56:15 I think I get it 18:56:28 manugupt1: I did not get you though 18:57:07 warlordfff: I meant I would like to know more about the project that you have been doing 18:57:24 oh we are finalizing that 18:57:29 OK, so the status is that Alan is working on a proposal to handle community funds, expected completion is mid January 2012. 18:57:35 Can we move on then? 18:57:36 we hope to have it ready in the next days 18:58:24 robjo: but I want to hear dirty details :) 18:58:49 ok 18:59:05 Apparently we are not getting those, and others are now drifting off into other tangents 19:00:15 as first step we are working in a document to help people to find out how to get money from ambassadors fund 19:00:30 Jos asked if warlordfff and me could work on it 19:00:40 we started a document 19:00:48 I can make it public if you want 19:01:01 All I'm trying to do is create an easier way for the project to accept funds, be able to report those to the community, have the community manage those and to be able to reimburse. 19:01:05 That would be better 19:01:44 AlanClark: sounds cool. so everybody gets a credit card? ;) 19:01:45 AlanClark we are doing the step before... how to get the money ;) 19:02:28 henne: perhaps Santa will give you a credit card 19:02:38 please for me too :P 19:02:47 Izabel: not sure I understand your question 19:02:55 AlanClark: the chances are higher with Satan I guess... 19:03:01 haha 19:03:11 AlanClark question? 19:03:28 AlanClark: no seriously. so you cant tell details yet? I'm just generally interested... 19:03:44 sure 19:04:10 Part of what instigated this was from osc11. 19:04:32 Handling the credit cards from the professional attendees was much more difficult than it should be. 19:04:54 Another example is reimbursing the mentors travel for the GSOC conference 19:05:09 AlanClark: once I was thinking about to have a kind of fidelity visa card for the project, but this will be quite impossibel without foundation, so that was my though long ago, and it keep in my mind to maybe be rised in the future 19:05:15 Also reimbursing Ambassadors around the world 19:05:44 I've also been looking at some of the plans for 2012 19:06:22 * tigerfoot just want to be able to choose it's own geeko design on the visa card ... 19:06:27 AlanClark I adopted here for digital inclusion project that I run before pre-paid debit cards 19:06:45 for GSOC students might work 19:06:59 AlanClark: ah okay. so some SUSE internal magic :) So not much will change for people requesting it? 19:07:01 tigerfoot: there are banks here that allow you to put your own PNG on your credit card 19:07:05 tigerfoot: I have my own geeko stamp im my visa card ehehe It's not real but make me fell better :D 19:07:07 I've gathered up those examples and have been going to all the SUSE accounting experts asking them how the openSUSE project can best handle these 19:07:34 From their help I'm putting together a proposal 19:07:56 AlanClark help needed I'm here ;) 19:08:09 I don't expect much change for people requesting. But I want the Board to have much more visibilty into the funds 19:08:30 okay 19:08:32 ah I didn't say that quite correctly 19:09:02 I want the communty to have much more visilibty into the funds, and the Board to be able to manage those community funds 19:10:18 is sounds really complicated, I must say 19:10:40 money has a habit of doing that 19:10:49 warlordfff: I've definitely peeled several layers off the onion 19:11:12 AlanClark: good.. i know what you are up against :) 19:11:38 AlanClark: onion peeling..have you broken down in tears yet? ;-) 19:11:47 haha not yet 19:12:00 spam: mrdocs are you going to be on FOSDEM? 19:12:07 ok shall we move on to then next topic 19:12:44 okay 19:12:55 next topic then 19:13:00 #topic Old Action Items 19:13:35 there is one project AI open 19:13:51 Bug #682098 19:13:51 openSUSE bug 682098 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Decide how we go forward with contributor gifts." [Normal,Reopened] https://bugzilla.novell.com/682098 19:14:00 :D 19:14:17 just in time for Santa Klaus 19:14:17 so what progress do we have here? 19:14:36 warlordfff: plan to :- 19:15:42 apparently nothing 19:16:02 there are two board AIs that are there for cosmetic *cough* reasons... 19:16:16 there is a dificulty I think to decide who are and who aren't contributors 19:16:16 so no AI work. next topic? :) 19:16:23 next 19:17:40 next topic 19:17:59 yeah 19:18:09 #topic permission@ requests 19:18:09 +1 19:18:16 there are no requests at this time 19:18:18 right? 19:18:24 AFAICT no 19:18:25 none ive seen 19:18:29 There are no requests. 19:18:31 alright :) 19:18:32 #topic Where do we need to improve? 19:18:44 #info This topic is about quick, small, actionable problems we have. Stuff we can solve between this and the next meeting. 19:18:59 I have one that was sent to permission. It's not a request but a question, so I will handle that. 19:19:49 okay do we have something to improve? 19:20:06 there is nothing new in the fate queue 19:20:27 anything else? 19:20:36 end the previous bug? 19:20:43 finally? 19:20:44 henne: didn't I put something in openFATE in the last 2 weeks? 19:20:57 warlordfff: I've tried a couple of times. it's a super-zombie! 19:21:26 I thing the board should finally do that in a private meeting 19:21:27 Ilmehtar: like? 19:21:37 Ilmehtar: vibe? 19:21:58 henne: ah I remember, yes screenshots in installer..never mind, not relevant for here probably :) 19:22:05 hennemaybe I'm bit lost... anything about Fosdem? 19:22:37 izabelvalverde: you're coming to fosdem? you want to help out on the booth? if yes! I'm the man to speak to :) 19:22:58 ok man to speak to... I'm going :D 19:23:03 yeah that's a topic I want to discuss. but not in this topic 19:23:11 ops 19:23:14 :) 19:23:15 i forgot to add it to the agenda :-/ 19:23:44 okay so do we officially want to kill the contributor gift idea? 19:23:51 board members? 19:23:53 +1 19:23:57 close it for now 19:23:58 sorry 19:24:27 * manugupt1 would personally like something as a memoir 19:24:31 suseROCKs? 19:24:35 prusnak? 19:24:40 mrdocs? 19:24:50 yes +1 postpone for now 19:25:26 +1 from me too. put that idea on hold 19:25:28 yes +1 19:25:47 close it for now, but cboltz said he's still working on it, at whatever pace that is 19:25:56 good idea, just the implementation is difficult 19:25:58 or is it cb400f? I always get those two mixed up 19:26:08 cboltz methinks 19:26:14 yes cboltz 19:26:20 ok 19:26:42 so you vote to putting it on hold? 19:27:11 yes 19:28:01 #agreed We put the idea about contributor gifts on hold for now. Feel free to solve all the problems the implementation has and put it back on the AI list. 5+/0- 19:29:14 okay. next topic then 19:29:25 now that we have done something tangible ;) 19:29:32 hehe 19:29:46 #toppic openSUSE @ FOSDEM 2012 19:29:50 #topic openSUSE @ FOSDEM 2012 19:30:04 i sneaked that in :) 19:30:10 henne: good :-) 19:30:25 henne: I believe I can forgive you that 19:30:26 ;-) 19:30:34 I see three things we need to work on 19:30:45 what about f2f before or after FOSDEM ? 19:30:50 1. Submit Talks 19:31:02 1. too late i think 19:31:05 2. Organize the booth 19:31:17 3. Organize the travel 19:31:44 you can still submit talks for the distro mini conf until december the 22nd! 19:31:54 we already missed the deadline for the lightning talks 19:31:58 ahh good 19:32:10 Lightning talks announcement 2011-12-16 (extended) 19:32:15 ;) 19:32:20 2 more days ;) 19:32:39 ah cool 19:32:52 Ilmehtar: have you requested the booth? 19:33:12 so people submit your talks 19:33:17 henne: yes - the deadline for requesting the booth was the 12th, I got it in well before and I've already had some of the FOSDEM team get in touch asking me to bring inflatable tuxes... 19:34:04 okay cool 19:34:11 what about participation? 19:34:17 who will be there? 19:34:37 * mrdocs is 75-85% sure of going 19:34:49 * henne cant go 19:34:55 I'm adding that to the list of stuff others have suggested we need and was planning on pinging AJ to help figure out what is viable, etc.. I'm going to need help with logistics actuall getting this stuff out from NUE to Brussels 19:35:02 * warlordfff 90% will be there 19:35:19 henne really? 19:35:28 :( 19:35:36 and yes, volenteers to help with the booth would be great - in particular I'd like to know people willing to spend most of their time helping out..I need 1 or 2 folks willing to spend most of their time with me there so everyone else can be free to run around having fun ;-) 19:35:36 Ilmehtar: I'm your man :) 19:36:05 I'm would like to be there, yes, but I didn't find a way to go yet 19:36:06 henne: okay, well right now the list of stuff I need is, your list + inflatable tuxes with Geeko's on them (lol) 19:36:08 you're izabelvalverdes man. i'm yuore man. it get's complicated... 19:36:33 :D 19:36:41 we need beers 19:36:43 :D 19:36:56 Ilmehtar: if you trust me I just send you "the kit" 19:37:11 Ilmehtar: with the guys that are going from nbg 19:37:12 henne: "the kit"? 19:37:22 Ilmehtar: everything you need for FOSDEM 19:37:23 I have 8 thirsty Greeks comming there exclusivelly to drink openSUSE beers 19:37:49 henne: of course I trust you, you're the expert, i'm the noob 19:37:54 Ilmehtar warlordfff have 8 people for the booth then :D 19:38:04 Ilmehtar: alright- lets sync offline 19:38:13 henne is THA MAN! he set us up on the artwork channel :D 19:38:15 warlordfff: what about talks? 19:38:21 not me 19:38:26 why not? :) 19:38:28 I don't know 19:38:44 that's never stopped you talking about stuff you dont know about before ;-) 19:38:48 what should I talk about? 19:38:49 I would love to see an open discussion on ambassador programs and stuff 19:38:57 +1 19:38:58 oh that 19:39:01 Same here :) 19:39:05 yeap we can do that 19:39:10 every distributions suffers from that stuff 19:39:11 fine with me 19:39:30 find the people that drive this stuff at fedora maybe 19:39:33 you mean as a lighting talk? 19:39:40 and see if you can come up with a talk about challenges 19:39:43 or something 19:39:52 no, I mean in the distro mini conf 19:39:59 can you help me on that henne? 19:40:19 to create a proposion? 19:40:40 I fear I don't know too much on the ambassador stuff 19:40:52 but I can certainly help you getting it to the right list and stuff 19:40:54 I mean how to do that 19:41:00 sure 19:41:03 not the actual theme 19:41:07 its all described in the announcement 19:41:09 https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2011-November/001340.html 19:41:13 ok I will send you an email later 19:41:21 warlordfff: hey c'mon you are master of presentation mate 19:41:29 but we need more talks 19:41:37 any other ideas? 19:41:40 suggestions? 19:41:53 henne: Was there a talk by Saurab on OBS plasmoids.. Just confirming 19:41:53 henne, talks for what specifically? 19:41:59 local openSUSE groups? 19:41:59 Any status on that 19:42:16 anditosan: the distro mini conf on FOSDEM 19:42:18 maybe something related about artwork that we are starting over again 19:42:21