18:03:47 <henne> #startmeeting 18:03:47 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Dec 14 18:03:47 2011 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:03:47 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:03:55 <henne> #meetingtopic openSUSE Project Meeting 18:04:09 <suseROCKs> so is the meeting now or an hour from now? Last meeting was confusing and most people showed up an hour from now 18:04:09 <henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 18:04:42 <izabelvalverde> here ;) 18:04:45 <henne> the calendar says 18:00 UTC 18:05:11 <henne> date -d "18:00 UTC" 18:05:19 <henne> says 5 minutes ago 18:05:37 <suseROCKs> sure but people still showed up an hour late. so I just wanted to make sure everyone is here 18:05:49 <suseROCKs> last meeting I had to stop it and restart the meeting n hour later. 18:05:54 <henne> do you have a list to cross names off? ;) 18:06:20 <suseROCKs> henne, board members? 18:06:58 <henne> sure. that would have been the next step :) 18:07:34 <henne> board members please say aye if you're here! 18:07:37 <henne> aye 18:07:45 <suseROCKs> henne, well if you feel we should go ahead then we'll go ahead. I'm here :-) Just wanted you to know what happened last time 18:08:00 <henne> sure. thanks 18:08:17 <AlanClark> I'm here. Just got back to my desk 18:08:20 <suseROCKs> prusnak, mrdocs ping! 18:08:36 <henne> prusnak, mrdocs, rhorstkoetter? 18:09:44 <henne> so seems we don't have a quorum 18:09:57 <henne> lets continue 18:10:37 <henne> The topics for this meeting are: 18:10:44 <suseROCKs> just found a message from mrdocs that he'll be about 20 min late 18:10:53 <henne> 1. Status Reports (15 minutes) 18:11:01 <henne> 2. Old Action Items (30 minutes) 18:11:07 <henne> 3. permission@ requests (5 minutes) 18:11:17 <henne> 4. Where do we need to improve? (15 minutes) 18:11:25 <henne> 5. Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 18:11:39 <henne> any additional topics we should discuss? 18:11:57 <suseROCKs> Our Santa Wish List? 18:12:19 <tigerfoot> henne: a word about participation in election would be nice 18:12:20 <henne> I know Satan has a lot to give you suseROCKs :P 18:12:23 <AlanClark> suseROCKS in your case I wouldn't worry about it 18:12:45 <henne> ah Santa. then I have to agree with AlanClark 18:12:45 <suseROCKs> I feel the love! 18:13:15 <AlanClark> henne I was hoping you meant Santa ;-) 18:13:15 <henne> tigerfoot: from whom? 18:14:12 <henne> okay lets mold the election stuff into status updates. 18:14:40 <henne> #topic Status Reports 18:15:12 <henne> #info Teams and individuals send various status reports around. Coolo sends one for the distribution, the OBS team publishes meeting minutes, the boosters their "What are the boosters up to" blogposts for instance. Are there any questions regarding those or do we need to discuss anything in detail? 18:15:32 <henne> Or does anyone wants to give a live status report of something? :) 18:15:52 <suseROCKs> Would be cool if someone wants to do an interpretive dance status report :-) 18:16:05 <henne> for instance izabelvalverde or digitltom for the elections? :) 18:16:07 <warlordfff> I could give you a report 18:16:16 <warlordfff> but not for that 18:16:22 <henne> warlordfff: sure. about? 18:16:32 <warlordfff> about oSC12 18:16:40 <izabelvalverde> henne so far seems to work well 18:16:43 <warlordfff> I have the people you wanted 18:16:52 <warlordfff> more 18:17:07 <warlordfff> I have 15 people ready to work for it 18:17:29 <warlordfff> plus more people during the days of the conference 18:17:46 <warlordfff> we have some places available 18:18:02 <warlordfff> maybe we find a place for free 18:18:13 <warlordfff> to organize it 18:18:14 <AlanClark> warlordfff, let's give everyone some background 18:18:19 <warlordfff> ok 18:18:24 <warlordfff> can you do it AlanClark? 18:18:30 <AlanClark> usre 18:18:32 <AlanClark> sure 18:18:36 <izabelvalverde> elections 18:18:39 <izabelvalverde> :) 18:18:45 <izabelvalverde> as henne called 18:18:48 <izabelvalverde> elections 202 votes so far 18:19:25 <AlanClark> we have 2 topics going at the same time. Let's hold osc12 for a minute while Izabelvalverde reports on elections 18:19:33 <izabelvalverde> the election period ends friday 16th - 23:00 UTC 18:19:54 <henne> okay. 202 votes out of? 18:20:43 <henne> 504 :) 18:20:48 <CarlosRibeiro> no more members applicataions to be worked? What the total members we have approved now 18:21:00 <henne> sorry, I just realized I can look that up myself 18:21:38 <henne> CarlosRibeiro: 504. See https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/groups/111/opensuse-members/ 18:22:05 <CarlosRibeiro> I mean no more people waiting to be approved or not for the membership? 18:22:14 <CarlosRibeiro> henne: great 18:22:20 <warlordfff> les than half voted? 18:22:40 <henne> we have a huge chunk of "dead" members 18:23:26 <suseROCKs> 204 is a good number of votes 18:23:28 <suseROCKs> err 202 18:23:34 <henne> CarlosRibeiro: there are currently 11 applicants in the queue 18:23:47 * henne agrees with suseROCKs 18:23:58 <CarlosRibeiro> henne: fine is not too much , great 18:24:00 <AlanClark> I think the queue is in pretty good shape. I was looking at it this morning. 18:24:15 <AlanClark> Some of those in the queue looked like new applicants 18:24:43 <AlanClark> as in new since the election period started 18:25:07 <henne> okay so everything is looking good. hooray :) 18:25:55 <izabelvalverde> henne 504 :) 18:26:08 <izabelvalverde> thank you... phone :) 18:26:33 <henne> shall we continue with warlordfff and osc12? 18:27:00 <AlanClark> thanks for the update Izabel 18:27:22 <AlanClark> ok on to osc12 18:27:27 <AlanClark> here's some background 18:27:32 <izabelvalverde> you are welcome :) 18:28:22 <AlanClark> At the last project meetting we talked about the feasibility for holding osc12 at locations other than NUE. 18:28:33 <AlanClark> I took the action to talk to warlordfff 18:29:03 <AlanClark> As warlordfff reported above, they are enthusiastic about the idea. 18:29:25 <AlanClark> But we do need to really investigate the feasibility 18:29:32 <AlanClark> So what I would propose next 18:29:55 <AlanClark> is to send out a call for locations and place the resulting information on the wiki. 18:30:25 <henne> btw. prusnak also has "secured" the 8-12 people we talked about 18:30:26 <AlanClark> That way we can evaluate the feasibility of the proposals 18:30:33 <henne> for prague 18:30:50 <AlanClark> yes prusnak is the other person I ha ve the AI to talk to. 18:30:53 <henne> so we have 3 options.... 18:30:54 <CarlosRibeiro> AlanClark: warlordfffwhich options we have for the next oSC instead of NUE and Greece, Prague. Does we have another opition to think about? 18:30:56 <robjo> location is also somewhat depending on timing 18:31:29 <CarlosRibeiro> all are in the europe. no plans to spread out to other continent? like asia or america 18:31:51 <AlanClark> osc12 will be in Europe 18:32:30 <AlanClark> I would like to see us do osc Summits in America and other locations 18:32:51 <AlanClark> but let's save that until we get osc12 moving along a bit more 18:32:54 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, One of the factors to think about is costs of shipping people around. For example, a lot of attendees are from SUSE itself in NUE. If we go another place, and we want SUSE people there, it impacts overall feasibility 18:33:44 <CarlosRibeiro> I start to wonder about a kind of mini-brainshare in all around the world, so we may try to think about do the same for oSC, mini oSC with a kind of resume for the event 18:33:46 <AlanClark> henne what's the 3rd option? Prague, Greeceand ? 18:33:55 <henne> AlanClark: nürnberg? :) 18:34:07 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, But the idea of a mini-conference or "summit" is an idea that's been flirted with lately, yes. 18:34:08 <AlanClark> henne - yes of course 18:34:38 <CarlosRibeiro> I was thinking about to have one big and principal conference in europe and small ones around the world 18:35:08 <suseROCKs> but like AlanClark said, let's deal with that next after we figure out what we need for oSC12 18:35:22 <henne> no one will hold you back if you want to organize an event CarlosRibeiro :) 18:35:55 <AlanClark> CarlosRibeiro: I agree. I think our recent success in Brazil shows that it is possible 18:36:15 <CarlosRibeiro> henne: AlanClark brillahnt ;) 18:36:38 <tampakrap> how about the way KDE handles it with akademy in europe and camp KDE in the US? 18:37:14 <AlanClark> lampakrap - I was using the word Summit - but I like the word camp 18:37:20 <henne> tampakrap: how do you mean? 18:37:32 <henne> or rather what do you mean by handling? :) 18:38:03 <tampakrap> i mean two big events to satisfy both sides of the atlantic 18:38:23 <izabelvalverde> well KDE has a brazilian akademy as well 18:38:27 <henne> for a community of around 200 contributors this sounds like overkill... 18:38:30 <izabelvalverde> too many well :D 18:38:39 <henne> we need one contributor conference 18:38:46 <henne> we can have tons of other events 18:38:51 <izabelvalverde> agree 18:38:59 <henne> for all I care, 20 in every country :) 18:39:16 <henne> the question now is about the contributor conference... 18:39:19 <tampakrap> KDE supports local akademies, there is akademy-fr akademy-es akademy-br maybe more 18:39:23 <mrdocs> lo im back and apologies for being late 18:39:27 <prusnak> sorry for being late 18:39:28 <prusnak> i am back 18:39:59 <henne> welcome mrdocs, prusnak :) so we have quorum now. great 18:40:04 <suseROCKs> hey hey mrdocs and prusnak 18:40:13 <mrdocs> lo suseROCKs AlanClark henne 18:40:37 <AlanClark> let's push on - To summarize I'm in the midst of creating a wiki page and an email to -project 18:41:30 <henne> AlanClark: please put it into Category:Conference 18:41:56 <AlanClark> will do. I noticed that you've been cleaining up the pages. Thanks for doing that 18:42:01 <henne> okay any other status report? 18:42:14 <AlanClark> yes 18:42:33 <suseROCKs> Chicago had its first snow last week. (End of my status report) 18:42:34 <henne> about? :) 18:42:54 <manugupt1> GCI?? 18:42:57 <AlanClark> probably a good spot to update on the financial money handling that I've been working on 18:43:33 <AlanClark> manugupt1 is here Let's do his GCI first since it's the middle of the night for him 18:43:45 <manugupt1> Thanks AlanClark 18:44:06 <manugupt1> Ok... About GCI First session was really awesome but we need more tasks and that too by tomorrow 18:44:11 <AlanClark> manugupt1: henne's the moderator 18:44:35 <manugupt1> So should I wait? 18:44:47 <prusnak> wrt conference i saw that henne already mentioned i have 8-12 people from CZ office that have ack from their managers that they can spend time on conf organization if there will be one in prague, that's right 18:44:47 <henne> nah. go for it 18:45:10 <prusnak> end of offtopic from my side :) 18:45:20 <AlanClark> prusnak - awesome. I will follow up with you 18:45:23 <manugupt1> henne: Ok.. So The most important part is we need more tasks I have couple of reminders already on my blogs and lists 18:46:02 <manugupt1> But we wont be able to add tasks after 16th Dec 0000 UTC.. So if anyone can add tasks please do that.. If I can handle it.. I will try to check up on those tasks 18:46:04 <manugupt1> Thats all for me 18:46:41 <warlordfff> video tasks were very succesful 18:47:00 <henne> most of the tasks came around nicely 18:47:07 <suseROCKs> let's emphasize that adding tasks doesnot mean you have to be a mentor too. But it would be nice. The important thing here is to get as many ideas and interesting stuff in place for students before the deadline 18:47:32 <warlordfff> yeap but ideas without mentors? 18:48:07 <manugupt1> warlordfff: Well I am certain we can find someone to review the tasks :) 18:48:09 <warlordfff> I took an orphan idea and became a mentor on it and I had troubles 18:49:03 <warlordfff> being a mentor is not as hard as it sounds 18:49:05 <manugupt1> warlordfff: It was solved too :) 18:49:16 <warlordfff> yeap 18:49:25 <warlordfff> it was solved 18:49:35 <warlordfff> but we spend too much time on it 18:49:40 <warlordfff> anyway 18:49:47 <warlordfff> just my 2 cents 18:50:13 <henne> okay. let's continue with AlanClark 18:50:23 <AlanClark> ok 18:51:18 <AlanClark> As I think I mentioned in past project meetings, I'm looking into how we can better handle community monies 18:51:29 <AlanClark> I'm trying to build a proposal 18:51:43 <AlanClark> and am finding that International can be very complicated 18:52:01 <henne> do tell ;) 18:52:41 <AlanClark> I hope to have a proposal ready the first part of January 18:53:04 <AlanClark> sorry it is taking so long 18:53:06 <henne> can you explain what you are aiming for? 18:53:13 <AlanClark> but it has been an interesting experience 18:53:37 <AlanClark> I'm aiming to improve our ability to gather, report and reimburse funds 18:54:02 <AlanClark> which includes credit card handling, 18:54:08 <warlordfff> is this has something to do with the project me izabelvalverde and Jos are working on? 18:54:46 <AlanClark> warlordfff: are you talking about the $5000? 18:54:52 <warlordfff> sorry I was not here the previous meeting 18:54:55 <warlordfff> yeap 18:54:57 <henne> AlanClark: by doing what? :) 18:55:27 <manugupt1> Please elucidate I am not sure warlordfff 18:55:50 <AlanClark> warlordfff: somewhat in that we want the community to be able to manage those funds 18:56:02 <AlanClark> I'm trying to give you the tools to do that 18:56:07 <warlordfff> ok 18:56:15 <warlordfff> I think I get it 18:56:28 <warlordfff> manugupt1: I did not get you though 18:57:07 <manugupt1> warlordfff: I meant I would like to know more about the project that you have been doing 18:57:24 <warlordfff> oh we are finalizing that 18:57:29 <robjo> OK, so the status is that Alan is working on a proposal to handle community funds, expected completion is mid January 2012. 18:57:35 <robjo> Can we move on then? 18:57:36 <warlordfff> we hope to have it ready in the next days 18:58:24 <henne> robjo: but I want to hear dirty details :) 18:58:49 <izabelvalverde> ok 18:59:05 <robjo> Apparently we are not getting those, and others are now drifting off into other tangents 19:00:15 <izabelvalverde> as first step we are working in a document to help people to find out how to get money from ambassadors fund 19:00:30 <izabelvalverde> Jos asked if warlordfff and me could work on it 19:00:40 <izabelvalverde> we started a document 19:00:48 <izabelvalverde> I can make it public if you want 19:01:01 <AlanClark> All I'm trying to do is create an easier way for the project to accept funds, be able to report those to the community, have the community manage those and to be able to reimburse. 19:01:05 <manugupt1> That would be better 19:01:44 <henne> AlanClark: sounds cool. so everybody gets a credit card? ;) 19:01:45 <izabelvalverde> AlanClark we are doing the step before... how to get the money ;) 19:02:28 <AlanClark> henne: perhaps Santa will give you a credit card 19:02:38 <izabelvalverde> please for me too :P 19:02:47 <AlanClark> Izabel: not sure I understand your question 19:02:55 <henne> AlanClark: the chances are higher with Satan I guess... 19:03:01 <AlanClark> haha 19:03:11 <izabelvalverde> AlanClark question? 19:03:28 <henne> AlanClark: no seriously. so you cant tell details yet? I'm just generally interested... 19:03:44 <AlanClark> sure 19:04:10 <AlanClark> Part of what instigated this was from osc11. 19:04:32 <AlanClark> Handling the credit cards from the professional attendees was much more difficult than it should be. 19:04:54 <AlanClark> Another example is reimbursing the mentors travel for the GSOC conference 19:05:09 <CarlosRibeiro> AlanClark: once I was thinking about to have a kind of fidelity visa card for the project, but this will be quite impossibel without foundation, so that was my though long ago, and it keep in my mind to maybe be rised in the future 19:05:15 <AlanClark> Also reimbursing Ambassadors around the world 19:05:44 <AlanClark> I've also been looking at some of the plans for 2012 19:06:22 * tigerfoot just want to be able to choose it's own geeko design on the visa card ... 19:06:27 <izabelvalverde> AlanClark I adopted here for digital inclusion project that I run before pre-paid debit cards 19:06:45 <izabelvalverde> for GSOC students might work 19:06:59 <henne> AlanClark: ah okay. so some SUSE internal magic :) So not much will change for people requesting it? 19:07:01 <prusnak> tigerfoot: there are banks here that allow you to put your own PNG on your credit card 19:07:05 <CarlosRibeiro> tigerfoot: I have my own geeko stamp im my visa card ehehe It's not real but make me fell better :D 19:07:07 <AlanClark> I've gathered up those examples and have been going to all the SUSE accounting experts asking them how the openSUSE project can best handle these 19:07:34 <AlanClark> From their help I'm putting together a proposal 19:07:56 <izabelvalverde> AlanClark help needed I'm here ;) 19:08:09 <AlanClark> I don't expect much change for people requesting. But I want the Board to have much more visibilty into the funds 19:08:30 <henne> okay 19:08:32 <AlanClark> ah I didn't say that quite correctly 19:09:02 <AlanClark> I want the communty to have much more visilibty into the funds, and the Board to be able to manage those community funds 19:10:18 <warlordfff> is sounds really complicated, I must say 19:10:40 <Ilmehtar> money has a habit of doing that 19:10:49 <AlanClark> warlordfff: I've definitely peeled several layers off the onion 19:11:12 <mrdocs> AlanClark: good.. i know what you are up against :) 19:11:38 <Ilmehtar> AlanClark: onion peeling..have you broken down in tears yet? ;-) 19:11:47 <AlanClark> haha not yet 19:12:00 <warlordfff> spam: mrdocs are you going to be on FOSDEM? 19:12:07 <AlanClark> ok shall we move on to then next topic 19:12:44 <henne> okay 19:12:55 <henne> next topic then 19:13:00 <henne> #topic Old Action Items 19:13:35 <henne> there is one project AI open 19:13:51 <henne> Bug #682098 19:13:51 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 682098 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Decide how we go forward with contributor gifts." [Normal,Reopened] https://bugzilla.novell.com/682098 19:14:00 <tigerfoot> :D 19:14:17 <tigerfoot> just in time for Santa Klaus 19:14:17 <henne> so what progress do we have here? 19:14:36 <mrdocs> warlordfff: plan to :- 19:15:42 <henne> apparently nothing 19:16:02 <henne> there are two board AIs that are there for cosmetic *cough* reasons... 19:16:16 <warlordfff> there is a dificulty I think to decide who are and who aren't contributors 19:16:16 <henne> so no AI work. next topic? :) 19:16:23 <AlanClark> next 19:17:40 <AlanClark> next topic 19:17:59 <henne> yeah 19:18:09 <henne> #topic permission@ requests 19:18:09 <CarlosRibeiro> +1 19:18:16 <henne> there are no requests at this time 19:18:18 <henne> right? 19:18:24 <suseROCKs> AFAICT no 19:18:25 <mrdocs> none ive seen 19:18:29 <AlanClark> There are no requests. 19:18:31 <henne> alright :) 19:18:32 <henne> #topic Where do we need to improve? 19:18:44 <henne> #info This topic is about quick, small, actionable problems we have. Stuff we can solve between this and the next meeting. 19:18:59 <AlanClark> I have one that was sent to permission. It's not a request but a question, so I will handle that. 19:19:49 <henne> okay do we have something to improve? 19:20:06 <henne> there is nothing new in the fate queue 19:20:27 <henne> anything else? 19:20:36 <warlordfff> end the previous bug? 19:20:43 <warlordfff> finally? 19:20:44 <Ilmehtar> henne: didn't I put something in openFATE in the last 2 weeks? 19:20:57 <henne> warlordfff: I've tried a couple of times. it's a super-zombie! 19:21:26 <warlordfff> I thing the board should finally do that in a private meeting 19:21:27 <henne> Ilmehtar: like? 19:21:37 <henne> Ilmehtar: vibe? 19:21:58 <Ilmehtar> henne: ah I remember, yes screenshots in installer..never mind, not relevant for here probably :) 19:22:05 <izabelvalverde> hennemaybe I'm bit lost... anything about Fosdem? 19:22:37 <Ilmehtar> izabelvalverde: you're coming to fosdem? you want to help out on the booth? if yes! I'm the man to speak to :) 19:22:58 <izabelvalverde> ok man to speak to... I'm going :D 19:23:03 <henne> yeah that's a topic I want to discuss. but not in this topic 19:23:11 <izabelvalverde> ops 19:23:14 <izabelvalverde> :) 19:23:15 <henne> i forgot to add it to the agenda :-/ 19:23:44 <henne> okay so do we officially want to kill the contributor gift idea? 19:23:51 <henne> board members? 19:23:53 <warlordfff> +1 19:23:57 <AlanClark> close it for now 19:23:58 <warlordfff> sorry 19:24:27 * manugupt1 would personally like something as a memoir 19:24:31 <henne> suseROCKs? 19:24:35 <henne> prusnak? 19:24:40 <henne> mrdocs? 19:24:50 <mrdocs> yes +1 postpone for now 19:25:26 <henne> +1 from me too. put that idea on hold 19:25:28 <prusnak> yes +1 19:25:47 <suseROCKs> close it for now, but cboltz said he's still working on it, at whatever pace that is 19:25:56 <mrdocs> good idea, just the implementation is difficult 19:25:58 <suseROCKs> or is it cb400f? I always get those two mixed up 19:26:08 <mrdocs> cboltz methinks 19:26:14 <henne> yes cboltz 19:26:20 <suseROCKs> ok 19:26:42 <henne> so you vote to putting it on hold? 19:27:11 <suseROCKs> yes 19:28:01 <henne> #agreed We put the idea about contributor gifts on hold for now. Feel free to solve all the problems the implementation has and put it back on the AI list. 5+/0- 19:29:14 <henne> okay. next topic then 19:29:25 <henne> now that we have done something tangible ;) 19:29:32 <mrdocs> hehe 19:29:46 <henne> #toppic openSUSE @ FOSDEM 2012 19:29:50 <henne> #topic openSUSE @ FOSDEM 2012 19:30:04 <henne> i sneaked that in :) 19:30:10 <mrdocs> henne: good :-) 19:30:25 <warlordfff> henne: I believe I can forgive you that 19:30:26 <warlordfff> ;-) 19:30:34 <henne> I see three things we need to work on 19:30:45 <mrdocs> what about f2f before or after FOSDEM ? 19:30:50 <henne> 1. Submit Talks 19:31:02 <mrdocs> 1. too late i think 19:31:05 <henne> 2. Organize the booth 19:31:17 <henne> 3. Organize the travel 19:31:44 <henne> you can still submit talks for the distro mini conf until december the 22nd! 19:31:54 <henne> we already missed the deadline for the lightning talks 19:31:58 <mrdocs> ahh good 19:32:10 <izabelvalverde> Lightning talks announcement 2011-12-16 (extended) 19:32:15 <izabelvalverde> ;) 19:32:20 <izabelvalverde> 2 more days ;) 19:32:39 <henne> ah cool 19:32:52 <henne> Ilmehtar: have you requested the booth? 19:33:12 <henne> so people submit your talks 19:33:17 <Ilmehtar> henne: yes - the deadline for requesting the booth was the 12th, I got it in well before and I've already had some of the FOSDEM team get in touch asking me to bring inflatable tuxes... 19:34:04 <henne> okay cool 19:34:11 <warlordfff> what about participation? 19:34:17 <warlordfff> who will be there? 19:34:37 * mrdocs is 75-85% sure of going 19:34:49 * henne cant go 19:34:55 <Ilmehtar> I'm adding that to the list of stuff others have suggested we need and was planning on pinging AJ to help figure out what is viable, etc.. I'm going to need help with logistics actuall getting this stuff out from NUE to Brussels 19:35:02 * warlordfff 90% will be there 19:35:19 <izabelvalverde> henne really? 19:35:28 <izabelvalverde> :( 19:35:36 <Ilmehtar> and yes, volenteers to help with the booth would be great - in particular I'd like to know people willing to spend most of their time helping out..I need 1 or 2 folks willing to spend most of their time with me there so everyone else can be free to run around having fun ;-) 19:35:36 <henne> Ilmehtar: I'm your man :) 19:36:05 <CarlosRibeiro> I'm would like to be there, yes, but I didn't find a way to go yet 19:36:06 <Ilmehtar> henne: okay, well right now the list of stuff I need is, your list + inflatable tuxes with Geeko's on them (lol) 19:36:08 <henne> you're izabelvalverdes man. i'm yuore man. it get's complicated... 19:36:33 <izabelvalverde> :D 19:36:41 <warlordfff> we need beers 19:36:43 <warlordfff> :D 19:36:56 <henne> Ilmehtar: if you trust me I just send you "the kit" 19:37:11 <henne> Ilmehtar: with the guys that are going from nbg 19:37:12 <Ilmehtar> henne: "the kit"? 19:37:22 <henne> Ilmehtar: everything you need for FOSDEM 19:37:23 <warlordfff> I have 8 thirsty Greeks comming there exclusivelly to drink openSUSE beers 19:37:49 <Ilmehtar> henne: of course I trust you, you're the expert, i'm the noob 19:37:54 <izabelvalverde> Ilmehtar warlordfff have 8 people for the booth then :D 19:38:04 <henne> Ilmehtar: alright- lets sync offline 19:38:13 <anditosan> henne is THA MAN! he set us up on the artwork channel :D 19:38:15 <henne> warlordfff: what about talks? 19:38:21 <warlordfff> not me 19:38:26 <henne> why not? :) 19:38:28 <warlordfff> I don't know 19:38:44 <Ilmehtar> that's never stopped you talking about stuff you dont know about before ;-) 19:38:48 <warlordfff> what should I talk about? 19:38:49 <henne> I would love to see an open discussion on ambassador programs and stuff 19:38:57 <CarlosRibeiro> +1 19:38:58 <warlordfff> oh that 19:39:01 <manugupt1> Same here :) 19:39:05 <warlordfff> yeap we can do that 19:39:10 <henne> every distributions suffers from that stuff 19:39:11 <mrdocs> fine with me 19:39:30 <henne> find the people that drive this stuff at fedora maybe 19:39:33 <warlordfff> you mean as a lighting talk? 19:39:40 <henne> and see if you can come up with a talk about challenges 19:39:43 <henne> or something 19:39:52 <henne> no, I mean in the distro mini conf 19:39:59 <warlordfff> can you help me on that henne? 19:40:19 <warlordfff> to create a proposion? 19:40:40 <henne> I fear I don't know too much on the ambassador stuff 19:40:52 <henne> but I can certainly help you getting it to the right list and stuff 19:40:54 <warlordfff> I mean how to do that 19:41:00 <henne> sure 19:41:03 <warlordfff> not the actual theme 19:41:07 <henne> its all described in the announcement 19:41:09 <henne> https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2011-November/001340.html 19:41:13 <warlordfff> ok I will send you an email later 19:41:21 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: hey c'mon you are master of presentation mate 19:41:29 <henne> but we need more talks 19:41:37 <henne> any other ideas? 19:41:40 <izabelvalverde> suggestions? 19:41:53 <manugupt1> henne: Was there a talk by Saurab on OBS plasmoids.. Just confirming 19:41:53 <anditosan> henne, talks for what specifically? 19:41:59 <izabelvalverde> local openSUSE groups? 19:41:59 <manugupt1> Any status on that 19:42:16 <henne> anditosan: the distro mini conf on FOSDEM 19:42:18 <CarlosRibeiro> maybe something related about artwork that we are starting over again 19:42:21 <henne> the theme is: 19:42:30 <henne> Sessions can be talks, round tables, BoFs, or any number of other things 19:42:33 <henne> that could generally benefit from an audience of distributions 19:42:35 <henne> developers. 19:42:46 <CarlosRibeiro> how to contribute, and be part of the artwork team 19:42:51 <warlordfff> a question, when is the deadline for the devrooms? I am a bit lost here 19:42:53 <anditosan> henne, I was working on a paper for non technical users and their contributions to opensuse. Challenges and all. Would that help? 19:43:04 <suseROCKs> review the top most beneficial sessions of oSC and propse them for FOSDEM, if it hasn't aready yet 19:43:11 <izabelvalverde> warlordfff dev is gone 19:43:12 <henne> warlordfff: the 22nd. thats in one week 19:43:19 <anditosan> CarlosRibeiro, you and I are connected buddy :D 19:43:27 <henne> anditosan: oh yes sure. 19:43:31 <CarlosRibeiro> anditosan: ;) 19:43:49 <henne> anditosan: if you give it a cross distro touc 19:43:49 <warlordfff> gone or 22 I am even more lost now ;-/ 19:44:08 <anditosan> henne, sure, I am sure that the challenges we face are smiliar everywhere 19:44:11 <henne> anditosan: like making the title general and use openSUSE as example 19:44:17 <anditosan> henne, how long does it need to be? 19:44:43 <izabelvalverde> 22 Distribution Miniconf 19:44:54 <henne> anditosan: however long or short you want 19:44:56 <izabelvalverde> 16 Lightning talks 19:45:03 <izabelvalverde> http://fosdem.org/2012/ 19:45:11 <henne> anditosan: there are no slots or something 19:45:50 <henne> anditosan: i would propose 15 minute talk. 30 minute discussion 19:45:56 <anditosan> henne, I see, that's not a problem then. I will review the paper and try to put it as a contribution to fosdem. Is there an opensuse contact that I need to work with? 19:46:05 <anditosan> henne, good! 19:46:26 <Ilmehtar> I've gotta run (getting kicked out of the building) any one want to ask/say anything FOSDEM stand related while I'm here? - I'll catch up on the rest of the meet in 20 mins or so 19:46:28 <henne> anditosan: nope. just follow the instructions in this mail https://lists.fosdem.org/pipermail/fosdem/2011-November/001340.html 19:46:43 <anditosan> checking.... 19:47:39 <anditosan> henne, got it. Good. How many more papers are needed? 19:47:46 <henne> izabelvalverde: how about a talk that evolves around linux in latin america? 19:47:49 <mrdocs> Ilmehtar: ill sync up wth u after 19:47:59 <CarlosRibeiro> henne: good 19:48:03 <izabelvalverde> henne pascal told me the same 19:48:07 <henne> anditosan: I saw 6 proposals by now and we're talking about 2 rooms, 2 full days 19:48:20 <anditosan> henne, that's perfect! 19:48:22 <henne> izabelvalverde: thats a clear indication that you should do it :) 19:48:23 <izabelvalverde> henne do you think even with my english would be possible? :D 19:48:45 <henne> izabelvalverde: sure! 19:48:48 <izabelvalverde> or I can make it in portuguese :D 19:48:55 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: hey, I remember our speach at Scale you was great 19:49:01 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: c'mon 19:49:16 <warlordfff> +1 to that izabelvalverde 19:49:20 <izabelvalverde> CarlosRibeiro shut up :P 19:49:26 <izabelvalverde> :D 19:49:34 <warlordfff> he is right you know :D 19:49:53 <izabelvalverde> warlordfff :P for you too 19:49:59 <henne> FOSDEM is a community conf 19:50:02 <izabelvalverde> ok henne I will think about it 19:50:10 <anditosan> henne, do you have a talk for fosdem already? 19:50:13 <izabelvalverde> lets see ;) 19:50:13 <warlordfff> I will do it 19:50:20 <henne> anditosan: I can't come :( 19:50:24 <warlordfff> what the frak 19:50:27 <izabelvalverde> :( 19:50:36 <anditosan> henne, WHAT? THAT SUCKS! 19:50:42 <henne> anditosan: i have a clash with my personal schedule 19:50:56 <anditosan> henne, yeah it happens 19:51:21 <henne> anyway. please everybody. think about talks you can submit to the distro mini conf! 19:51:36 <henne> its very important. its _the_ place where distros collaborate 19:51:48 <warlordfff> ok i will go for one about the ambassador program related 19:51:50 <henne> and we're all about that right? 19:52:04 <izabelvalverde> yep 19:52:06 <henne> so if you come, submit a talk :) 19:52:21 <henne> alright. that leaves one thing to organize 19:52:28 <henne> the travel etc. 19:52:37 <anditosan> Ilmehtar, are you going to FOSDEM? 19:52:47 <henne> I guess we should collect when verybody comes 19:52:55 <henne> and where they are staying 19:53:55 <henne> I'll get http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:FOSDEM2012 going 19:54:23 <henne> please add your info there if youre going! 19:54:32 <izabelvalverde> good cause this also help us (latins) to cross the board :) 19:55:38 <warlordfff> henne: there is something wrong with that link 19:55:53 <warlordfff> ok I am stupid 19:55:56 <warlordfff> sorry 19:56:00 <warlordfff> :D 19:56:25 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: pictures say more than tons of words, https://picasaweb.google.com/109140068131989370067/OpenSUSEMarketingHackFest?authkey=Gv1sRgCJvV8vqegO7g5gE#5579295009780555938 You are more than perfect to give a talk over there 19:58:15 <tigerfoot> don't forget FOSDEM is a really hackerish public most of people there know what free software is :D 19:58:29 <tigerfoot> but they forget what the best distribution is :D 19:58:38 <henne> okay anything else for fosdem? 19:59:17 <tigerfoot> CarlosRibeiro: doesn't should that album be keep away from public ? 19:59:21 <henne> alright, then lets move on 19:59:56 <henne> #topic Questions & Answers 20:00:00 <CarlosRibeiro> tigerfoot: maybe 20:00:03 <henne> anything else we need to discuss? 20:00:10 <henne> any other topic we need to talk about? 20:00:31 <robjo> henne: status of maillist consolidation? 20:01:06 <henne> ah yes. pending :-/ 20:01:29 <henne> too much other shit I have to finish before my xmas vacation... 20:02:27 <suseROCKs> anything else or can we wrap up? 20:03:08 <jospoortvliet> henne: but you did some stuff already, right? Don't pretend there has not been any progress :D 20:03:11 <prusnak> i guess that's a wrap :) 20:03:32 <AlanClark> We do need to thank our current Board members for their service in 2011 20:03:53 <jospoortvliet> \o/ 20:03:58 <AlanClark> A Big thank you to all for your service to the community!!! 20:04:00 <henne> jospoortvliet: well I have planed and announced it but did not implement yet... 20:04:00 <anditosan> AlanClark, yes! 20:04:29 <AlanClark> jospoortvliet: your're supposed to be on holiday 20:04:38 <henne> jospoortvliet: are you going to sponsor FOSDEM trips? 20:04:40 <jospoortvliet> AlanClark: I try to be, see, I missed 90% of the meeting 20:04:55 <jospoortvliet> henne: ask izabelvalverde and warlordfff :D 20:04:58 <anditosan> the board has been amazing at pucshing forward not only a great distro to the worl but also a great humane team that is welcoming and effective. You guys have made my time around with openSUSE the best ever! 20:05:19 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: agreed 20:05:19 <henne> izabelvalverde, warlordfff are we going to sponsor trips to FOSDEM? :) 20:05:34 <warlordfff> I think not 20:05:37 <anditosan> jospoortvliet: :D 20:05:46 <warlordfff> my opinion is not too 20:05:53 <warlordfff> izabelvalverde: ? 20:06:21 <warlordfff> what do you think? 20:07:10 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff and izabelvalverd: have you had time to discuss how to use the monies? 20:07:13 <warlordfff> anyway my opinion is that a lot of people are going to be there anyway so we don't need to sponsor people to go there 20:07:36 <warlordfff> jospoortvliet: we are in that those days 20:07:44 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: good 20:07:59 <henne> okay 20:08:08 <henne> anything else we need to discuss in this meeting? 20:08:10 <jospoortvliet> and you have a good point about FOSDEM, many ppl will go anyways. 20:08:11 <henne> or can we close it? 20:08:27 <jospoortvliet> close so I can go and join the goodbye-party for my gf :D 20:08:28 <suseROCKs> +1 to close 20:08:38 <robjo> Thanks to those leaving the board for the time and effort you have spent during your time on the board. 20:08:58 <AlanClark> jospoortvliet: that sounded like your gf is leaving you 20:09:07 <AlanClark> +1 close 20:09:09 <robjo> For remaining board members, thanks for your continuing effort 20:10:14 <henne> alrighty then 20:10:23 <mrdocs> +1 close 20:10:30 <henne> that's it then. If you have more, don't hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 20:10:33 <mrdocs> robjo: NP its a pleasure 20:11:18 <henne> #info The next project meeting will be in four weeks (2012-01-11). Same channel (#opensuse-project), same time (18:00 UTC). 20:12:04 <henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! 20:12:07 <henne> #endmeeting