19:03:20 <suseROCKs> #startmeeting Board-Project Meeting 30-Nov-2011 19:03:20 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 30 19:03:20 2011 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:03:20 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:03:23 <manugupt1> fastest meeting I have ever seen 19:03:39 <suseROCKs> ok let's get the ball rolling folks 19:03:47 <suseROCKs> Here is today's agenda: 19:03:53 <suseROCKs> 1. Status Reports 19:03:56 <suseROCKs> 2. Action Items 19:04:08 <suseROCKs> 3. Permission@novell.com 19:04:14 <AlanClark> no permission requests, so drop that one 19:04:19 <suseROCKs> 4. Where do we need to improve 19:04:23 <suseROCKs> 5. Q&A 19:04:34 <suseROCKs> The full agenda can be seen here at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting 19:04:57 <suseROCKs> So, let's hit these topics hard and enjoy the rest of our day... starting with the first topic... 19:05:02 <suseROCKs> #topic Status Reports 19:05:02 <AlanClark> +1 19:05:36 <suseROCKs> let's go to the main status of the day: Election 2012 19:05:48 <suseROCKs> Is there anyone from the election or membership teams present? 19:05:54 <izabelvalverde> here :) 19:06:05 <suseROCKs> izabelvalverde, You have the floor... 19:06:56 <izabelvalverde> ok... Thomas sent a remind email to candidates about their plataform 19:07:14 <izabelvalverde> to all of them fill with many information as possible 19:07:45 <izabelvalverde> also is ready to make the pool - or poll :D public on friday 19:08:07 <izabelvalverde> so far the calendar still working as planned 19:08:21 <suseROCKs> actually we have a concern about that one... 19:08:34 <izabelvalverde> which one? 19:08:51 <suseROCKs> seems the membership team has not completed its queue in time for the polls to open. 19:09:02 <AlanClark> Do we have anyone from the membership team here? 19:09:03 <izabelvalverde> polls ok :) 19:09:07 <suseROCKs> there's apparently 40 still in the queue 19:09:29 <izabelvalverde> at election list has no claim about it 19:09:37 <izabelvalverde> not yet :) 19:09:56 <izabelvalverde> but membership will work on 40 applications? 19:10:12 <suseROCKs> in the past, it was always ensured to clear the queue before the start of polls. 19:10:37 <izabelvalverde> in the past not more than 40 happened ;) 19:10:43 <suseROCKs> so I'm concerned that membership team hasn't followed this goal yet. How do we ensure people are not left out? 19:10:58 <izabelvalverde> I can't say 19:11:07 <AlanClark> Without someone from the membership team, we don't know if the queue is or can be cleared by Dec 2 19:11:48 <suseROCKs> we have had that large of a queue in the past, as the month leading to elections is always the biggest spike in membership applications 19:11:48 <izabelvalverde> on this case we will keep the agenda 19:11:55 <terrorpup> I haven't gotten any notice to vote on new member and I am on the membership team 19:12:06 <suseROCKs> and we have precedence in the past to move election dates if things are not in order 19:12:13 <izabelvalverde> terrorpup thanks :) 19:12:21 <terrorpup> I will try and reach out to other members today 19:12:24 <AlanClark> terrorpup: are you seeing 40 in the queue? 19:12:40 <manugupt1> On connect right AlanClark 19:12:47 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, Did you receive the query email from AlanClark yesterday? 19:12:48 <izabelvalverde> suseROCKs can you see the queue? 19:12:49 * manugupt1 guesses 19:13:06 <terrorpup> I have to log in AlanClark, I am work ssh'ing so I can be here, they tend to monitor so I will look at the house tonight 19:13:15 <suseROCKs> izabelvalverde, the queue number was informed to us by |miska| yesterday (or was it monday?) 19:14:12 <AlanClark> I suggest that the action item is for terrorpup to check with the membership committee to if there is a queue that needs to be cleared before the polling begins 19:14:14 <izabelvalverde> suseROCKs besides queue he said something else? 19:14:46 <terrorpup> AlanClark, on it. 19:14:47 <suseROCKs> izabelvalverde, he also said that he personally will only be able to vote on about 20 of them beofre Friday 19:15:04 <AlanClark> terrorpup: Would you check with the membership committee and let the election committee know if there is an issue or not 19:15:06 <manugupt1> I agree with AlanClark here 19:15:15 <terrorpup> will do 19:15:26 <AlanClark> thanks terrorpup! 19:15:50 <suseROCKs> #action terrorpup to contact membership team to find out status of queue before end of pre-polling period of elections 19:16:16 <suseROCKs> But the big question is, if the team is unable to complete before Friday, what do we do? 19:17:19 <AlanClark> suseROCKs: agree. My first thought was to open polling but not close it until the queue is cleared. But not allow any new names on the queue 19:17:46 <suseROCKs> AlanClark, right. The deadline to apply was last friday. So new applications are moot. 19:17:48 <manugupt1> Postpone for a few days to give the committee to clear the names 19:17:48 <AlanClark> But the real answer is that - such a decision should be made by the election committe 19:18:05 <izabelvalverde> I believe we - the elections Team - can discuss and give the feedback 19:18:19 <suseROCKs> I would not want any of these 40 applicants we currently have to be disenfranchised. That's a serious issue. 19:18:29 <izabelvalverde> I agree 19:18:32 <AlanClark> I agree 19:18:44 <izabelvalverde> I'm writing to the rest of election team now 19:18:45 <AlanClark> let's give the action item to izabelvalverde 19:18:48 <manugupt1> Agree on what?? sorry 19:18:49 <suseROCKs> izabelvalverde, ok thank you. Can you send the board a status on that by end of tomorrow? 19:18:52 <Ilmehtar> speaking as someone who was disenfranchised last election, I totally agree :) 19:18:56 <izabelvalverde> let's see the decision them 19:19:05 <izabelvalverde> them/then :D 19:19:35 <izabelvalverde> suseROCKs soon I have a status I will write to the Board 19:19:41 <suseROCKs> ok 19:20:09 <suseROCKs> #action izabelvalverde to contact election team to discuss state of timeline regarding membership queue and report back to the board via email as soon as reasonably possible 19:20:10 <AlanClark> izabelvalverde: write to the project 19:20:17 <suseROCKs> thank you izabelvalverde 19:20:30 <AlanClark> if there are changes 19:21:13 <izabelvalverde> AlanClark sure don't worry 19:21:20 <suseROCKs> ok 19:21:36 <suseROCKs> we can close status report on Election. Are there others here today to give any status reports? 19:22:11 <suseROCKs> going once.... 19:22:14 <suseROCKs> going twice... 19:22:17 <manugupt1> Mine 19:22:20 <suseROCKs> going twice.5.... 19:22:28 <suseROCKs> and we have manugupt1! Sir, go ahead 19:22:50 <manugupt1> Google Code-in is a success in my opinion 19:23:00 <izabelvalverde> its about election! 19:23:04 <izabelvalverde> no campaign! 19:23:21 <manugupt1> izabelvalverde: That was listed as a status 19:23:29 * manugupt1 did not write it 19:23:47 <manugupt1> So I am not campaigning I have done it all over the weeks :) 19:23:57 <AlanClark> manugupt1: any idea on the number of students? 19:24:01 <suseROCKs> this has been part of status reports for the last few meetings 19:24:11 <manugupt1> AlanClark: around 20 tasks have been done' 19:24:23 <suseROCKs> Wow, fast progress 19:24:24 <manugupt1> AlanClark: We have over 80 and 20 are being done now 19:24:41 <AlanClark> by 20 students or multiples by same students? 19:24:57 <manugupt1> AlanClark: I dont think there is a lot of redundancy over there 19:25:02 <manugupt1> as far as I know 19:25:16 <manugupt1> So you can have atleast 30 students doing the tasks 19:25:26 <manugupt1> Probably more :) 19:26:11 <AlanClark> do we know an geography where the students are located? 19:26:13 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, anything else we need to do currently? 19:26:42 <manugupt1> suseROCKs: More tasks from KDE and other teams would be appreciated.. GNOME did a fantastic job thanks to Ilmehtar 19:26:49 <manugupt1> AlanClark: No 19:26:59 <manugupt1> and yes more tasks is a must 19:27:10 <izabelvalverde> suseROCKs election subject is done? 19:27:14 <izabelvalverde> I need to go 19:27:26 <suseROCKs> izabelvalverde, yes I closed that subject a while ago 19:27:30 <suseROCKs> Thanks for your presence, izabelvalverde 19:27:35 <manugupt1> thanks izabelvalverde 19:27:55 <AlanClark> manugupt1: Thanks for the update. Awesome work by everyone to get this going. 19:28:02 <suseROCKs> #info we need more tasks to add to GCI project. Particularly from KDE team. 19:28:09 <manugupt1> AlanClark: welcome.. 19:28:12 <izabelvalverde> suseROCKs AlanClark soon as possible I'll give you a status 19:28:14 <suseROCKs> +1 Al_Cho 19:28:22 <suseROCKs> oops +1 AlanClark 19:28:36 <AlanClark> thanks izabelvalverde have a great evening 19:28:52 <izabelvalverde> thanks 19:28:55 <izabelvalverde> bye 19:29:01 <CarlosRibeiro> right ppl, as right now I'm a izabelvalverde guest at her office, I have to go too. 19:29:13 <CarlosRibeiro> bye 19:29:14 <AlanClark> bye CarlosRibeiro 19:29:16 <suseROCKs> ok thanks CarlosRibeiro Take care! 19:29:19 <manugupt1> Bye CarlosRibeiro 19:29:29 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, anything more on this status? 19:29:34 <CarlosRibeiro> thanks you guys and best everything for this meeting 19:29:35 <CarlosRibeiro> bye 19:29:56 <manugupt1> suseROCKs: If there are questions I can answer, I am very pleased with the progress of GCI 19:30:20 <AlanClark> I have no more questions 19:30:25 <suseROCKs> as are we.... very pleased indeed 19:30:38 <suseROCKs> Thanks for keeping the google stuff alive this year, manugupt1 19:30:51 <suseROCKs> ok anyone else with a status report? If not I'm moving on to the next topic 19:31:19 <AlanClark> next topic 19:31:20 <suseROCKs> 3.. 19:31:23 <suseROCKs> 1... 19:31:27 <suseROCKs> next topic! 19:31:36 <suseROCKs> #topic Old AI's 19:31:54 <suseROCKs> Project AI's here http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 19:32:22 <suseROCKs> ok so we have only one item, and that is belonging to cb400f 19:32:32 <suseROCKs> or is it cboltz? I alwys get confused :-) 19:32:33 <AlanClark> let's defer that to next meeting 19:32:45 <AlanClark> If he's not here 19:32:56 <suseROCKs> no it was cboltz and he's not here 19:33:13 <suseROCKs> so on to board AI's... hang on... 19:33:31 <suseROCKs> that one is http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 19:33:45 <suseROCKs> and neither of those AI's are movable, so nothing to discuss there either 19:33:52 <AlanClark> I don't have anything new to add today on my AI 19:34:12 <suseROCKs> right and I'm sure prusnak doesn't on his either. 19:34:17 <suseROCKs> so moving on to new topic... 19:34:28 <suseROCKs> we're skipping #3 because we have no new permission requests for trademark usage 19:34:38 <suseROCKs> and we'll go on to #4 Where do we need to improve? 19:34:55 <manugupt1> If robjo is here 19:35:21 <suseROCKs> Improvement Suggestion: Move suseROCKs to warmer climes before Winter sets in... 19:35:52 <AlanClark> you're to late 19:36:17 <AlanClark> I'm not seeing a response from robjo 19:36:49 <suseROCKs> a quick look at openfate http://bit.ly/opensuse_improve 19:36:50 <robjo> yes, but I missed everything sorry 19:37:24 <suseROCKs> robjo, You missed nothing :-) 19:37:50 <robjo> Why is there no alarm on the calender entry? AJaeger 19:38:22 <suseROCKs> thought we updated the calendar after last meeting via henne 19:39:01 <robjo> suseROCKs: calendar was updated, i.e. events are there again, but the entries have no alarm :( 19:39:29 <suseROCKs> aren't alarms set client-side??? 19:39:43 <robjo> Anyway, my last action was to sent a message to henne as a follow up to his consolidation e-mail to various lists. 19:39:49 * AlanClark "No events found" 19:40:39 <robjo> No answer from henne to my inquiry, thus I have no idea where we stand with this effort 19:40:48 <suseROCKs> ok 19:41:07 <suseROCKs> robjo, and this was to consolidate what? irc channels or mailing lists? 19:41:25 <robjo> Due to lack of time I can only follow up on one of these items at a time. Therefore I am still "concentrating" (somewhat) on the ML issue 19:41:38 <robjo> mailing lists 19:41:46 <AlanClark> suseROCKs: mailing lists 19:42:02 <suseROCKs> ok 19:42:15 <robjo> henne sent message to a number of lists proposing consolidation. I do not know what lists and the various proposals. 19:42:17 <AlanClark> I believe henne worked on some of these, but best to hold until we have henne 19:42:32 <robjo> AlanClark: yes 19:42:40 <suseROCKs> robjo, can you send a follow up email to henne tomorrow and see what he can offer you? 19:43:20 <robjo> suseROCKs: I'll send a message today ;) if I wait to tomorrow I'll have forgotten all about it...... 19:43:37 <suseROCKs> robjo, ok thanks 19:43:43 <AlanClark> ah come on robjo you're not that Senior ;-) 19:43:55 <suseROCKs> another area we need to improve is getting administrative control of our IRC channels 19:44:05 <manugupt1> Why? 19:44:15 <manugupt1> Too many channels or anything other than that 19:44:17 <robjo> suseROCKs: yes, but one thing at a time 19:44:26 <suseROCKs> we have a number of openSUSE channels that are not formally registered to openSUSE and then the original creator abandons thus creating administrative problems for new folks 19:44:29 <robjo> manugupt1: Yes, too many channels 19:44:44 <suseROCKs> no I'm not referring to the "too many" issue. That's another one 19:44:44 <manugupt1> ok.. 19:44:50 <suseROCKs> I'm referring to administrative control 19:45:05 <suseROCKs> its a very frequent pain in the ass 19:45:19 <Dominian> What process are you using to obtain administrative control? 19:45:29 <suseROCKs> I'll be very glad to lead on this one and work with darix to gain control of those channels. 19:45:42 <terrorpup> I thought yaloki was the admin most channels. 19:45:53 <suseROCKs> Dominian, well usually it involves darix cajoling the freenode admins to transfer ownership of those channels 19:46:03 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, no 19:46:07 <Dominian> suseROCKs: Right.. 19:46:20 <Dominian> it takes a GC to gain control of channels within a group's namespace. 19:46:33 <Dominian> is darix the only GC for the opensuse namespace on freenode? 19:46:49 <terrorpup> ok, just in past he created channels for us, and closed down channels. 19:47:03 <suseROCKs> he's the primary one, and then yaloki and I got added later down the road. But that doesn't mean Freenode does things carte blanche on this 19:47:20 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, he did a few, but not most. most were done with darix. 19:47:20 <Dominian> hrm 19:47:35 <Dominian> If you show as Group Contacts for th enamespace you should be able to ask them to transfer ownership 19:47:43 <suseROCKs> and anyone can create a channel, they just need to please remember to register it to openSUSE instead of to their own nick 19:47:53 <Dominian> and yes, they do go by that.. namely your nickserv accounts should be 'marked' as such as group contacts for opensuse 19:48:00 <suseROCKs> Dominian, of course, in theory :-D 19:48:02 <Dominian> :) 19:48:05 <Dominian> Ok I'll shaddup 19:48:36 <suseROCKs> #action suseROCKs to investigate and come up with list of all openSUSE channels that are not registered to openSUSE and get them transferred 19:49:33 <suseROCKs> anything else on the topic of improvement? 19:49:48 <suseROCKs> going once... 19:49:50 <suseROCKs> going twice... 19:49:54 <suseROCKs> SOLD! 19:49:56 <suseROCKs> new topic! 19:50:00 <suseROCKs> #topic Q&A 19:50:08 <suseROCKs> Doe anyone have any general questions? 19:50:47 <suseROCKs> if there are no questions, we will be closing the meeting soon... 19:51:10 <Ilmehtar> FOSDEM - does any one want to help me co-ordinate an openSUSE stand? We need to get our submission in by the 12th 19:51:30 <robjo> Not a question, I think someone should restate the open spots on the board on the project ML with company affiliation 19:51:49 <bear454> robjo: will do 19:52:13 <AlanClark> hey bear454 greetings! 19:52:21 <bear454> o/ AlanClark 19:52:23 <robjo> I am not certain it is obvious to everyone that only one spot of the "available" spots can be filled by a SUSE employee. 19:52:24 <suseROCKs> bear454, I assume there will be an announcement on news.o.o when the polls officially open? 19:52:43 <bear454> AFAIK thomas already drafted it 19:52:48 <robjo> This my influence voting and should be well known ahead of time. 19:52:54 <bear454> but I'll make sure 19:53:13 <suseROCKs> robjo, I answered that question in one of the project threads over the weekend. Is it still not clear enough to people? 19:53:22 <suseROCKs> I even did a text diagram. :-D 19:53:25 <Ilmehtar> I'm also interested in how that voting will work out - while one of the available spots can be filled by a SUSE employee, does it have to be filled by a SUSE employee? 19:53:42 <bear454> Ilmehtar: no it doesn't *have to* 19:54:03 <robjo> suseROCKs: you answered the question on procedure if I recall correctly, i.e. what happens when .... 19:54:09 <suseROCKs> Ilmehtar, nope does not. 19:54:12 <bear454> only the chair belongs to SUSE 19:54:35 <suseROCKs> yes, we're stuck with AlanClark :-) 19:54:42 <robjo> what I am after is something that says: X seats are up for grabs, of those only 1 can be claimed by SUSE employee 19:54:58 <AlanClark> yah and he shows up for the meeting late ;-) 19:55:25 <AlanClark> limehtar: how many people are you needing for help with FOSDEM? 19:55:50 <suseROCKs> robjo, Then I suggest you work with the election committee to review any text. 19:55:57 <Ilmehtar> AlanClark: I'll be honest, I have no idea - so while I'm prepared to coordinate thing, any help from more experienced minds would be greatly appriciated 19:56:19 <Ilmehtar> AlanClark: (its my first FOSDEM) 19:56:21 <robjo> suseROCKs: Happy to review any text 19:56:25 <suseROCKs> Ilmehtar, First, I suggest you include the marketing team on this. Historically, marketing team was never included in discussions on FOSDEM 19:56:45 <suseROCKs> second of all, I suggest you contact AJ and ask him about what equipment is available in NUE storage that can be shipped to Belgium 19:57:11 <suseROCKs> and third, get the word out, and that includes pinging people individually who you think are ideal to attend and man the booth as well as give presentations 19:57:21 <bear454> robjo: send me your email address and I'll make sure you're given the opportunity to review the news article 19:57:26 <robjo> Ilmehtar: a post to -project to request help is probably a good starting point 19:57:41 <robjo> bear454: rjschwei@suse.com 19:57:47 <Ilmehtar> my plan was 1) speak here to make sure I'm not doing duplicating work and then step 2) bug the heck out of everyone possible, -project, marketing and ambassadors, etc 19:58:01 <suseROCKs> Ilmehtar, and I will be more than happy to help you on the side and give you my insight of past booth orgnizations as others here will also offer too 19:58:21 <suseROCKs> Ilmehtar, sounds like a plan, stan! 19:59:00 <terrorpup> Ilmehtar, you can send me questions as well 19:59:16 <AlanClark> limehtar: my understanding is that several SUSE employees attend FOSDEM - leverage that to get items from NUE for the booth 19:59:23 <Ilmehtar> terrorpup: great, thank you! 19:59:35 <Ilmehtar> AlanClark: sounds like a good idea 19:59:58 <suseROCKs> Ilmehtar, there's lots of booth goodies in NUE. Shouldn't be a problem as I think its one that they budget for 20:00:33 <suseROCKs> ok so anything else, folks? 20:00:45 <AlanClark> I don't know if you were considering the Studio Kiosk - It is very expensive to ship 20:01:17 * bear454 groans about the kiosk 20:01:39 <Ilmehtar> AlanClark: as awesome as it is, I'm happy if whoever would have to pay for shipping thinks its best left behind 20:01:39 * AlanClark lol remembering pushing down the street with bear454 20:01:45 <bear454> :D 20:01:55 <bear454> we need a studio kiosk laptop :D 20:02:13 <bear454> instead of a 700lb coffin 20:02:13 <suseROCKs> or a kiosk tablet 20:02:21 <Ilmehtar> bear454: what we need is a studio kiosk studio image.. 20:02:30 <bear454> Ilmehtar: we have one 20:02:40 <bear454> but the hardware requirements are pretty specific 20:02:50 <bear454> and well, it is proprietary code 20:02:58 <manugupt1> Well SUSE Studio is not open source even though *VERY* attractive 20:03:22 <suseROCKs> and SUSE Studio is not technically an openSUSE project though we love each other and work well together 20:03:35 <bear454> we love eachother very much :) 20:03:36 <manugupt1> ignore my rants anyway 20:04:06 <AlanClark> you are correct. However it is a great tool to show the flexibility of openSUSE 20:04:16 <suseROCKs> #info Ilmehtar is the Big Kahuna for openSUSE booth at FOSDEM 20:04:50 <suseROCKs> ok I think we've covered the gamut today. If there's nothing else before i countdown to 0, we shall close today's meeting 20:04:53 <suseROCKs> 5... 20:04:55 <suseROCKs> 4... 20:04:58 <suseROCKs> three... 20:05:05 <suseROCKs> II 20:05:06 <bear454> suseROCKs: wait 20:05:07 <robjo> 2 1/2 20:05:21 * suseROCKs knows he's goinna regret it but... yes bear454? 20:05:35 <bear454> Has anyone officially thanked you for your tenure & participation ? 20:06:05 <bear454> :D 20:06:09 <suseROCKs> The growth of openSUSE during my time here is thanks enough. :-) 20:06:17 <robjo> Shouldn't that happen after he's officially a goner? 20:06:40 <suseROCKs> yeah I still have two more meetings here. Quit shooting me like a rabid dog too early. 20:06:40 <AlanClark> Do we have a project meeting on the 15th? I don't remember what we decided at the last project meeting 20:06:41 <bear454> with any luck, he'll never be a goner ;) 20:06:42 * manugupt1 thinks bear454 is ready to kick suseROCKs out :P 20:06:45 <robjo> There's still work to do for suseRocks 20:07:00 <suseROCKs> AlanClark, Yes. next meeting is on 14th. And then on 4th we will have the "handover" meeting 20:07:16 <AlanClark> so we're not rid of suseROCKS yet ;-) 20:07:34 <manugupt1> even AlanClark joined the crew o-O 20:07:36 <suseROCKs> yup 2 meetings left. and only one meeting where I actually can vote 20:07:43 <manugupt1> suseROCKs: Look at your raport 20:08:03 <robjo> 1 3/4 20:08:08 <suseROCKs> my only regret in my tenure here is.... 20:08:13 * bear454 shuts up now 20:08:15 <manugupt1> 1 1/2 20:08:19 <suseROCKs> I have not yet figured out how to install .exe on my openSUSE 20:08:22 <suseROCKs> nd with that... 20:08:24 <suseROCKs> 0! 20:08:30 <suseROCKs> #endmeeting