18:04:56 <henne> #startmeeting 18:04:56 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 16 18:04:56 2011 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:04:56 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:05:03 <suseROCKs> mrdocs, we'll have to vote on whether we can vote sooner :-D 18:05:06 <henne> #meetingtopic openSUSE Project Meeting 18:05:11 <mrdocs> suseROCKs: :D 18:05:17 <henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 18:05:22 <henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 18:05:27 <henne> The topics for this meeting are: 18:05:41 <henne> * Status Reports (15 minutes) 18:05:47 <henne> * openSUSE Conference 2012 18:05:56 <henne> * Board F2F 18:06:06 <henne> * Old Action Items (30 minutes) 18:06:16 <henne> * Where do we need to improve? (15 minutes) 18:06:23 <henne> * Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 18:06:55 <henne> board round call: who's here? 18:07:00 * prusnak here 18:07:04 * AlanClark here 18:07:06 * henne here 18:07:07 * mrdocs here 18:07:08 * suseROCKs there 18:07:14 <mrdocs> we have a quorum 18:07:20 <henne> smells like teen quorum 18:07:42 <henne> okay let's roll 18:07:50 <henne> #topic Status Reports 18:08:03 <henne> Teams and individuals send various status reports around. For instance Coolo sends one for the distribution to opensuse-factory, the OBS team publishes meeting minutes on their mailinglist, the boosters their "What are the boosters up to" blogposts. Are there any questions regarding those or do we need to discuss anything in detail? Or does anyone wants to give a live status report of something? 18:08:37 <suseROCKs> Isn't there an itemized list on the agenda? 18:08:41 <henne> yep 18:08:46 <AlanClark> I wrote down 12.1 as one of the subtopics 18:09:05 <suseROCKs> so lets start with 12.1 then... 18:09:06 <henne> so who want's to give a status update on this? 18:09:15 <AlanClark> just to say Thanks! to everyone who helped get the release completed, released and marketed 18:09:22 <suseROCKs> I'll give my end of the corner on 12.1 18:09:43 <suseROCKs> Marketing seems to be doing very well. People actually had a chance to sleep most nights before release. 18:09:54 <suseROCKs> piwik seems to have exploded which is imo a good sign 18:10:12 <suseROCKs> we need everyone to step up and help with any social media reptition (retweeting) they can do 18:10:32 <AJaeger> very positive press articles/reviews 18:10:38 <suseROCKs> Also, while I'm seeing #suse not high traffic, I am also seeing that we are jumping in leaps and bounds with new joins to the Facebook openSUSE group 18:10:42 <mrdocs> 12.1 despite a lot of new bits, seems to work well 18:11:00 <suseROCKs> and with that, we need more people to step up and provide support in Facebook discussions 18:11:22 <suseROCKs> We've seen 100 people join today alone, and in the last few days about 300 total so far and growing 18:11:44 <suseROCKs> Lots of excitable support. I'm not seeing anything excessively negative in any form 18:12:04 <henne> what is that? 18:12:08 <henne> something like a forum? 18:12:12 <suseROCKs> infrastructure-wise here in openSUSE, we seem to have gone without a hitch, so congrats to all you guys for that 18:12:16 <manugupt1> Also Accg to google webmaster 12.1 impressions far exceed 11.4 18:12:38 <henne> google webmaster? 18:12:51 <suseROCKs> henne, We have a page and a group in Facebook (amongst many of the independent ones there as well) and people often put in their support questions there 18:12:55 <prusnak> henne: i guess the numbers were about #suse chan 18:13:05 <manugupt1> henne: It is an account created by Matt at Google a very old one 18:13:16 <suseROCKs> prusnak, my numbers were for the Facebook Group 18:13:25 <prusnak> ah okay 18:13:43 <suseROCKs> We have about 6,100 members now in FB Group alone 18:13:45 <henne> manugupt1: who has access to it and what does it do? 18:13:58 <henne> suseROCKs: did you post something to the forums about this? 18:14:07 <suseROCKs> henne, not yet 18:14:20 <henne> you should. forum folk is facebook folk :P 18:14:31 <suseROCKs> henne, webmaster is sort of an indexing-maximization tool that Google offers. Does a pretty decent job (within Google's constraints of course) 18:15:29 <suseROCKs> Also one other thing. How do we push people to seed the torrents? We're seeing people on Facebook ask for more seeds out there. 18:16:29 <prusnak> just don't close the client after downloading 18:16:49 <manugupt1> henne: Matt and Me, just looks for google crawling and makes up statistics 18:16:58 <kknundy> I have a suggestion in this regard. Maybe from next time we can have a readme.txt in the torrent files with a note requesting seeds? 18:16:59 <suseROCKs> prusnak, I think that's oversimplifying 18:17:03 <henne> manugupt1: please send me 18:17:11 <manugupt1> henne: Send me your gmail id 18:17:21 <suseROCKs> there are people with great bandwidth who can seed after doing a regular http download. 18:17:23 <henne> manugupt1: hennevogel 18:17:36 <suseROCKs> Those folks would normally never use torrents, but we can encourage them that its their civic duty to do so :-) 18:17:44 <henne> suseROCKs: those people already seed 18:17:47 <manugupt1> henne: Sent 18:17:54 <suseROCKs> henne, Huh? 18:18:02 <henne> suseROCKs: darix has some network there 18:18:20 <suseROCKs> people on Facebook are reporting seeing only 7 seeds 18:18:32 <suseROCKs> Abhish, You're currently torrenting, what do you see? 18:19:16 <prusnak> the number itself is not that important 18:19:24 <kknundy> i586 or x86_64? 18:19:35 <kknundy> 64 bit is very slow 18:19:49 <suseROCKs> kknundy, You referring to torrent? 18:20:11 <kknundy> in fact, my i586 seed is uploading faster than my 64 is downloading 18:20:19 <kknundy> suseROCKs yes 18:20:21 <prusnak> anyway i don't see how we can change anything by discussion, just tell the people to seed more 18:20:36 <suseROCKs> prusnak, that's the question of the discussion :-) 18:20:41 <suseROCKs> How do we tell people to seed more? 18:20:54 <henne> like we tell people everything 18:21:16 <henne> news.o.o, twitter, facebook, mail 18:21:34 <suseROCKs> would one of you like to write a news article on that? 18:21:47 <suseROCKs> Give some technical insight about how "easy it is to do"? 18:21:54 <henne> can do 18:22:05 <henne> will do 18:22:08 <suseROCKs> #action henne to write seeding article for 12.1 pronto 18:22:29 <prusnak> pronto :) 18:22:45 <henne> our own tracker reports 390 seeders 18:23:16 <henne> anyway. I'll write something up 18:23:21 <suseROCKs> thanks 18:23:23 <henne> next report? 18:23:30 <suseROCKs> that's all I have on my end for 12.1 Anyone else ahve 12.1 stuff? 18:24:22 <suseROCKs> Actually I have one final thing to say marketing-wise 18:24:56 <suseROCKs> With the launch of 12.1... this marks my official step-down as Marketing Team lead. I want to thnk everyone for all their support and wonderful enthusiasm over the past two years. 18:25:12 <suseROCKs> I'll still be around, but will take on a significantly lesser role 18:25:31 <suseROCKs> End status update :-D 18:25:33 <prusnak> who's going to lead the efforts now? 18:25:50 <kknundy> suseROCKs Here's to more of Bryen time! 18:25:59 <suseROCKs> prusnak, AJaeger and Jos are handling things for now in the interim until someone else steps up 18:26:04 <prusnak> i see 18:26:10 <suseROCKs> Thanks kknundy 18:26:11 <prusnak> thanks suseROCKs for your marketing efforts! 18:26:44 <henne> i hope we get by without a leader :) 18:27:05 <henne> thanks bryen 18:28:06 <suseROCKs> move on! 18:28:18 <manugupt1> Thanks suseROCKs 18:28:33 <henne> manugupt1 are you going to say something about Code in? 18:28:55 <Abhish> suseROCKs: Good idea. SOrry, I was ggetting breakfast. I see 32 seeders with 100% and 371 partials. 18:28:55 <Abhish> Download speed is good when my router isn't freaking out. 18:29:30 <manugupt1> henne: vuntz made me and Matt Baringer the admins today, we need to add tasks to code-in and invite mentors ; contest will start from 21st and students will start pourring from there 18:29:31 <suseROCKs> ok so Torrenting is improving then. Good 18:29:54 <manugupt1> Thats all I think I have to say.. and yes announcement goes on friday 18:30:06 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, Question for you... 18:30:06 <henne> where do we collect taks? 18:30:17 <manugupt1> henne: en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GCI_Tasks 18:30:20 <manugupt1> yes suseROCKs 18:30:40 <suseROCKs> Given that the dynamics are somewhat different for GCI sstudents from GSoC students, how do we attract them to openSUSE? 18:30:44 <manugupt1> henne: Later we add it to melange which I will do tomorrow.. 18:30:53 <Abhish> suseROCKs: I can step up to take over some dduties, but need some tutoring on exactly what that entails, :3 18:31:20 <suseROCKs> Abhish, we can talk about that in marketing after this meeting. 18:31:35 <manugupt1> suseROCKs: #gsoc channel is pretty exciting and I think students will present themselves but advertising in schools would be a ood idea local schools 18:31:59 <suseROCKs> we need these students by Monday, right? 18:32:01 <henne> local to what? 18:32:08 <manugupt1> local to your area 18:32:22 <suseROCKs> "local" is immaterial here :-) 18:32:29 <Abhish> Monday is a very short deadline. 18:32:35 <manugupt1> suseROCKs: Task will open from 21st so students will start claiming the tasks from then 18:33:00 <manugupt1> Its not public for students now 18:33:18 <suseROCKs> how do we make sure we get them to claim ours and not some other Project's? That's the question here. We want to see success but .... 18:33:28 <suseROCKs> so you're saying we need to mob the #gsoc channel to let them know about us? 18:34:07 <manugupt1> We cannot do that.. as students interested will have to come and pick up tasks themselves only more articles or news thats it imo but if you have ideas let me know 18:34:46 <henne> okay can you run us through it from the student perspective? 18:34:56 <henne> they go to google. then to melange 18:34:57 <henne> then what? 18:35:01 <suseROCKs> that's the point, I have no idea how a student is connected to this 18:35:13 <Abhish> What incentive do we offer to get students to work on our stuff as opposed to some other project though? 18:35:33 <suseROCKs> Abhish, We're openSUSE... incentive enough? 18:35:44 <manugupt1> henne: they go to google-melange, they choose a task from a list of task, the mentor helps him / her and then once a task is done mentor reviews it. 18:35:56 <suseROCKs> Abhish, Actually, its about what tasks interest students the most. And then when they meet potential mentors that the mentor makes them feel wanted. 18:36:14 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, I think you missed something there 18:36:17 <manugupt1> Once a task is done, the students gets a tshirt & certi from google. after 3 tasks he / gets a 100 USD certi 18:36:32 <suseROCKs> is there like a full master list of every task FOSS-wide? or tasks grouped by Project? 18:36:55 <manugupt1> suseROCKs: Grouped by project I believe but I havent had enough time to explore it 18:37:06 <suseROCKs> ok 18:37:06 <manugupt1> It is out for a few hours only now 18:37:23 <henne> okay 18:37:39 <henne> any other updates? 18:38:01 <suseROCKs> Is anyone here from the election team? 18:38:04 <henne> election officials: whats the status of the board election? 18:38:06 <henne> digitltom? 18:38:11 <suseROCKs> warlordfff? 18:38:19 <warlordfff> ηερε 18:38:22 <warlordfff> here 18:38:30 <suseROCKs> I do have a question about the election 18:38:35 <warlordfff> around at least ;-) 18:38:53 <warlordfff> I hope I can answer, tell me 18:39:04 <suseROCKs> but first any status updates from your team, warlordfff? 18:39:23 <Abhish> We could try viral marketing. Do we have anybody good with editing and creating videos? 18:39:26 <henne> about the board election... 18:39:36 <warlordfff> what do you mean? my mind is a bit melted down the last days... 18:39:55 <suseROCKs> How about, Do we have any candidates yet? :-) 18:40:10 <warlordfff> 3 candidates so far afaik 18:40:24 <suseROCKs> ok then tht leads to my question :-) 18:40:56 <suseROCKs> Some of us were wondering yesterday, looking at the election page, why candidates aren't listed there yet. Seems candidates will not be announced until 25th?? 18:41:29 <warlordfff> Honestly ,No idea 18:41:43 <suseROCKs> Have these 3 candidates been reviewed and approved? 18:42:51 <warlordfff> I think 18:43:19 <henne> okay, if you don't know and have an ouzo bottle as brain, lets move on 18:43:21 <henne> :P 18:43:28 <suseROCKs> then, imo, the committee should be adding those names as they get approved, and not wait until the 25th. That's not how it ws done in the past. 18:43:34 <henne> any other status updates? 18:43:43 <warlordfff> nop 18:43:47 <warlordfff> sorry 18:44:03 <prusnak> suseROCKs: please raise your concerns on commitee mailinglist, might be better way 18:44:04 <henne> suseROCKs: i guess you/we should complain to e-o@o.o 18:44:25 <henne> okay let's move on the 18:44:26 <henne> n 18:44:37 <henne> #topic openSUSE Conference 2012 18:44:45 <henne> someone noted down 18:44:50 <henne> "location cost-benefit analysis" 18:44:56 <AlanClark> That was me 18:45:11 <AlanClark> We need to start thinking about osc12 18:45:16 <henne> explain yourself stranger! 18:45:27 * AlanClark is strange 18:45:40 <suseROCKs> so someone finally outted AlanClark as strange.... 18:45:57 <AlanClark> cause I drink root beer :-) 18:46:16 <AlanClark> some items need long lead times 18:46:17 <henne> okay can you maybe narrow "think" down a bit? 18:46:42 <AlanClark> such as gathering sponsors, determining a location, etc 18:46:59 <AlanClark> For a start I wrote that we should discuss location. 18:47:36 <henne> Nürnberg 18:47:42 <AlanClark> We held it in NUE for 2011, Are there other locations to consider? 18:47:54 <prusnak> NUE or Prague 18:48:00 <manugupt1> Prague was discussed last time 18:48:03 <prusnak> i don't see any other options honestly 18:48:09 <suseROCKs> I'd love an excuse to visit Praha 18:48:19 <henne> only location where we have a strong base of people that can get their hands dirty 18:48:22 <mrdocs> me too 18:48:39 <AlanClark> henne you willing to get your hands dirty again this year? 18:49:20 <suseROCKs> he looks Amish, of course he's willing to get dirty 18:49:23 <tigerfoot> would be nice to have Prague this year, 18:49:23 <henne> not in a way like osc11, but sure. we need people to do stuff 18:49:49 <henne> like driving to the location and talking people 18:49:53 <henne> talking to a caterer 18:49:59 <henne> getting a party together 18:50:20 <henne> an address to deliver shit to 18:50:31 <suseROCKs> and that's why AlanClark is bringing this up now. So hopefully someone volunteers to be willing to lead this analysis assessment quickly so decisions cn be made and plans initiated 18:50:35 <henne> stuff like that 18:50:54 <henne> so Mauii sounds nice too 18:51:08 * tigerfoot remember that last year in February was already too late ... 18:51:11 <henne> but unless you have someone willing in Mauii to do that stuff, forget about it :) 18:51:40 <suseROCKs> there's other considerations besides cool locations. Such as how do we ship all the SUSE folks around when currently, it's almost "free" in NUE 18:51:49 <AlanClark> So we can simply move forward with NUE or Prague unless some one in the community would like to suggest an alternate 18:51:50 * Falafel is actually Abhish. Got booted and the server doesn't like my nick anymore. 18:52:13 <warlordfff> Greece? 18:52:20 <prusnak> ;) 18:52:35 <tigerfoot> warlordfff: it's almost raining is September in Greece :D 18:52:41 <henne> AlanClark: I don't know anyone in Praha who said they would be willing 18:52:43 <warlordfff> we have the people, the other stuff is what worries me 18:52:44 <tigerfoot> in September 18:52:46 <suseROCKs> Greece means paying for all those SUSE folks to fly down there + hotel. Right now many don't have to move around in NUE. That will impact costs or make smaller event 18:52:50 <henne> warlordfff: other stuff? 18:53:05 <warlordfff> place mainly 18:53:29 <prusnak> i will ask prague colleagues to ask their managers 18:53:38 <warlordfff> but I could make a research, we had some ideas about Akademy 18:53:44 <prusnak> if we don't find 10 people that can commit to help exclusively during the conference 18:53:48 <prusnak> prague is out of option 18:53:58 <henne> that's the spirit :) 18:54:09 <prusnak> henne: do you think that's a good idea? 18:54:12 <suseROCKs> who! My house just got buzzed by a low-flying aircraft. 18:54:19 <henne> prusnak: very much so 18:54:21 <prusnak> or make it rather 20? :) 18:54:34 <henne> nah, 5-10 is good 18:54:45 <henne> so try to find 10 18:54:52 <prusnak> allright, will report on next board meeting 18:54:57 <henne> k 18:55:14 <suseROCKs> finding people isn't a problem if we plan ahead. The bigger problem (or question) is the cost-benefit analysis. If we are entertaining ideas for other locations we have to look at overall feasibility, not just how cheap a facility is. 18:55:15 <henne> warlordfff: please do that too 18:55:32 <Falafel> Seems Nuremberg is really the most practical location. Heck, if I had my way we would do it here in Riverside... but thats not much more practical than Prague or Greece in my estimation. 18:55:35 <warlordfff> οκ 18:55:37 <warlordfff> ok 18:56:11 * Abhish is himself again. 18:56:15 <henne> warlordfff: maybe you can come up with a rough number of people, and a number for costs for some cool location 18:56:19 <AlanClark> Ok, to close this topic today I will follow up with warlordfff and prusnak 18:56:19 * cartman wonders who Falafel is 18:56:34 * Abhish was Falafel. 18:56:39 <AlanClark> and will create a summary for a future project meeting 18:56:41 <henne> okay 18:57:00 <warlordfff> henne: ok but i could use a month for that 18:57:01 <cartman> Abhish: did you mean Riverside/LA ? 18:57:01 <suseROCKs> For example, One of the cheapest places to fly to Europe internationally is Brussels. Its usually hundreds of dolalrs cheaper than other locations in Europe 18:57:01 * kknundy has Falafel for lunch! 18:57:08 <Abhish> cartman: Correct. 18:57:09 <henne> #action prusnak find 10 people that can commit to help exclusively during the conference for prague 18:57:13 <cartman> Abhish: ok :) 18:57:21 <warlordfff> Thessaloniki is cheap city too 18:57:23 <henne> #action warlordfff find 10 people that can commit to help exclusively during the conference. check locations 18:57:29 <Abhish> suseROCKs: Thats a good idea. 18:57:33 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, not from international flight. 18:57:36 <warlordfff> much cheaper than Athens and better located 18:57:46 <suseROCKs> Greece is very expensive to fly to internationally compared to Brussels. 18:57:59 <warlordfff> don't know that 18:58:08 <henne> okay can we move on? 18:58:12 <suseROCKs> and that's something that has to be taken into consideration during the cost analysis :-) 18:58:16 <AlanClark> let's not do the details here. 18:58:31 <suseROCKs> right, I'm only pointing out that we can't make a decision just on facility costs alone 18:58:41 <henne> we're not stupid :) 18:58:49 <suseROCKs> no you're just bald 18:59:14 <henne> bearded maybe 18:59:16 <Abhish> The hair is starving. 18:59:20 <henne> okay let's move on 18:59:27 <henne> #topic Board face to face meeting 18:59:33 <henne> AlanClark: also your's 18:59:52 <AlanClark> Once elections are completed I would like the Board to hold a F2F 18:59:56 <AlanClark> as soon as possible 19:00:33 <henne> sounds good 19:00:38 <henne> where? 19:00:41 <AlanClark> It would be good to meet as a board and set goals and address needed changes 19:00:47 <prusnak> the obvious choice is prior or after FOSDEM, but as suseROCKs noted we might use other opportunity to spread openSUSE there (FOSDEM already has big openSUSE presence) 19:00:53 <AlanClark> The open question is where/when 19:01:02 <AlanClark> with minimal expense 19:01:19 <prusnak> if the expense is the only priority then it is FOSDEM 19:01:27 <henne> both of those question have an obvious dependency on "who" right? 19:01:36 <AlanClark> right 19:01:37 <mrdocs> and many of us will be there already 19:01:43 <henne> so... 19:01:52 <AlanClark> so we probably can't answer the question today. 19:01:55 <prusnak> judging by the number of board applications 19:01:56 <suseROCKs> prusnak, money + bang for buck is a blended consideration IMO 19:02:28 <kknundy> thellasonki tickets cost nearly double that of brussels/frankfurt 19:02:28 <AlanClark> But I wanted to raise this early so that everyone including those running for board seats have as much early notice as possible 19:02:39 <kknundy> from both usa and asia 19:03:00 <henne> AlanClark: end of January until mid February is no-no for me 19:03:00 <mrdocs> AlanClark: point well taken 19:03:03 <suseROCKs> seems we have a lot of conversational lags today :-) 19:03:16 <prusnak> henne: you are not going to fosdem? 19:03:18 <mrdocs> suseROCKs: its called multi tasking :) 19:03:19 <manugupt1> India 19:03:32 <henne> AlanClark: so prior to the week that starts with the 23rd its okay 19:03:36 <AlanClark> henne: isn't FOSDEM first of Feb, so is FOSDEM not an option? 19:03:49 <suseROCKs> I suggest you guys take a look at some FOSS calendar of events globally and see what is optimal for Feb/March 19:04:04 <henne> nope I'm not going to FOSDEM this year 19:04:11 <henne> next year... 19:04:20 <suseROCKs> its safe for me to visit FOSDEM this year?? 19:04:23 <tigerfoot> henne: you will miss me :) 19:04:53 <prusnak> suseROCKs: fosdem is never safe, lots of punks fighting for chairs in full rooms ;) 19:05:09 <suseROCKs> yeah but no bald-headed Amish dudes :-) 19:05:13 * warlordfff loves punks ;-) 19:05:15 <henne> and I don't think that doing it at a conference is such a bright idea 19:05:19 <henne> might safe some bucks 19:05:30 <henne> but usually people are overloaded on conferences 19:05:40 <henne> helping on booths, giving talks 19:05:41 <AlanClark> wouldn't do it at the conference, but before or after 19:05:43 <suseROCKs> henne, My suggestion is is to not do it at a conference where you will do extreme presence. 19:05:57 <henne> AlanClark: there too 19:06:03 <suseROCKs> So like FOSDEM requires a lot of energy... therefore you'd be sapped by time of board meeting afterwrrd. 19:06:11 <henne> yeah 19:06:11 <Abhish> manugupt1: I'd be down to hold it in India. 19:06:21 <suseROCKs> but a smaller event... where presence is lightweight but visible... That's ag ood bang for buck 19:06:50 <henne> might be even worse because you will have less people there 19:06:56 <prusnak> one option would be to meet in NUE and Provo office and have a F2F using the teleconference thingie 19:06:59 <suseROCKs> and those smaller events will love you and remember you for making such a gracious appearance 19:07:04 <Abhish> Where are the majority of board members located? 19:07:14 <prusnak> Abhish: we don't know yet ;) 19:07:14 <henne> nobody knows 19:07:14 <mrdocs> prusnak: definitely an option 19:07:37 <suseROCKs> F2F via television for two whole days doesn't sound pleasing :-) 19:07:45 <henne> yeah 19:07:46 <mrdocs> Abhish: from California to Czech Republic at the moment 19:07:49 <henne> F2T 19:07:57 <AlanClark> prusnak: I thought of that as well. That could be a viable option 19:08:03 <Abhish> Well, if they are mostly in the US... depending on the number of attendess I may havea free venue here in SOCal. 19:08:12 <mrdocs> besides im the prettiest one on camera :P 19:08:36 <suseROCKs> mrdocs, if you're prettiest, then the rest must be seriously fugly 19:08:40 <henne> AlanClark: do beginning of January or without me :) 19:08:46 <mrdocs> Abhish: im in SFO FYI... 19:08:47 <henne> anything else we can record about this? 19:09:01 <Abhish> mrdocs: ? 19:09:23 <mrdocs> Abhish: i am moving from France to San Francisco permanently 19:09:24 <AlanClark> I will take the action to begin a list of potential dates/locations and will then pass that around to the board members 19:09:57 <mrdocs> ooops 19:10:02 <mrdocs> konversation crashed 19:10:02 <AlanClark> once the election committee has posted the candidates we can include them on the dicussion as well. 19:10:06 <suseROCKs> damn, mrdocs came back 19:10:12 <henne> AlanClark: please do that list somewhere where everyone can see it :) 19:10:46 <henne> like http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_face_to_face_meeting 19:10:49 <henne> or something 19:10:55 <AlanClark> henne: I'll add it to the project meeting agenda page. That's where I propose we create the F2F agenda 19:11:14 <AlanClark> I'll put it at the bottom of the page so that it doesn't get in the way 19:11:34 <henne> AlanClark: use a new page. it doesn't have anything to do with a project meeting right? 19:11:51 <henne> or do we want the project to participate in it? 19:11:57 <AlanClark> henne: ok new page 19:12:22 <henne> ok 19:12:45 <henne> #action AlanClark record the possible location, date, agenda on a page in the wiki 19:12:51 <henne> anything else? 19:13:01 <AlanClark> nope, next topic 19:13:03 <henne> #undo 19:13:03 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x1bd0950> 19:13:15 <henne> #action AlanClark record the possible location, date, agenda of a borad face 2 face meeting on a page in the wiki 19:13:27 <henne> #topic Old Action Items 19:13:35 <henne> There are project wide action items we need to discuss and specific board action items. 19:13:41 <henne> let's start with the project one 19:13:48 <henne> http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 19:14:22 <henne> Bug #691780 19:14:22 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 691780 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Apply proposed Trademark Guidelines changes to the wiki page" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/691780 19:14:24 <suseROCKs> the GCI one should be reassigned to manugupt1 19:14:27 <henne> ooops 19:14:39 <henne> I didn't do that yet 19:14:49 <henne> dropped off my todo somehow 19:14:50 <suseROCKs> henne, Did you do that one yet? 19:15:01 <henne> shit 19:15:07 <henne> will do it after the meeting 19:15:09 <henne> sorry 19:15:28 <henne> bug #682098 19:15:28 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 682098 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Decide how we go forward with contributor gifts." [Normal,Reopened] https://bugzilla.novell.com/682098 19:15:44 <henne> is that still dragging on? :) 19:16:08 <henne> some horses just won't die from beating... 19:16:15 <suseROCKs> henne, not exactly dragging. Cboltz has been working on it as of last meeting 19:16:18 <henne> whats the status of that one? 19:16:19 <suseROCKs> its moving forward 19:16:32 <suseROCKs> he's working with AJ on final details 19:16:38 <suseROCKs> or financial details anyway 19:16:55 <suseROCKs> definitely not a dead horse in any case 19:17:20 <henne> AJaeger, cboltz: please record what you are doing in bugzilla 19:17:33 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: there's no more discussion since the last time - I'm not aware that I have any action in this. 19:17:42 <AJaeger> We discussed prior to the last meeting but that's it. 19:17:53 <suseROCKs> ok 19:18:18 <AJaeger> I'm fine to followup with him and answer questoin but if it would be my decision I would do again what I tried before - RESOVLED WONTFIX 19:19:12 <suseROCKs> I think the last meeting the qeustion centered around "Who would pay for all this?" 19:19:36 <suseROCKs> anyway cb ain't here, talk about it now is moot 19:19:42 <henne> if "all this" costs $5. me 19:19:56 <AJaeger> yep, let's move on 19:20:05 <henne> okay. I'll ping him in the AI 19:20:15 <suseROCKs> What are you doing with American currency? 19:20:25 <henne> Bug #711572 19:20:25 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 711572 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] Google Code-in" [Normal,Needinfo] https://bugzilla.novell.com/711572 19:20:36 <henne> that one can be closed now right? 19:20:38 <AlanClark> suseROCKs: he's waiting for it to overtake the Euro :-) 19:20:43 <henne> we are accepted and people work 19:20:52 <suseROCKs> we covered this earlier with manugupt1 but status should be changed and manugupt1 should take ownership of this bug 19:20:52 <henne> no need for that AI anymore 19:21:06 <suseROCKs> henne, or does it close once GCI is in effect? 19:21:13 <henne> AlanClark: I won't bet to get that old :P 19:21:16 <suseROCKs> I thought we keep it open as a track record of our process? 19:21:36 <henne> the track record is that we closed it as fixed :) 19:21:53 <suseROCKs> ok then I close it then 19:21:57 <henne> it won't go away 19:22:05 * Abhish notes that the torrent tracker seems to be malfunctioning, causing frequent stalls. 19:22:19 <AlanClark> I'd close it 19:22:36 <henne> closed it. 19:22:47 <suseROCKs> henne, you mind? I'm in the middle of it :-P 19:22:55 <suseROCKs> how nice... a mid-air collision! 19:23:05 <henne> suseROCKs: I'm too fast for you grandpa :) 19:23:23 <henne> okay thats it with project AI's 19:23:26 <suseROCKs> I sid I'd close it quit stealing other people's jobs! 19:23:30 <henne> let's move on to board action items 19:23:34 <henne> http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 19:24:10 <suseROCKs> non-disscussable 19:24:21 <suseROCKs> yes I invented a new word and new spelling. 19:24:35 <henne> both of them (Bug #670594 and Bug #670590) are only there for decorative purposes right? :) 19:24:35 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670594 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Write an announcement about the new process of creating the foundation." [Critical,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670594 19:24:35 <AlanClark> I don't have anything new to report from last week 19:24:36 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670590 in openSUSE.org (Board) "user search for bugzilla" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670590 19:24:42 <AlanClark> s/week/meeting 19:25:04 <henne> okay 19:25:11 <henne> then let's move on to the next topic 19:25:20 <henne> #topic Where do we need to improve? 19:25:28 <henne> This topic is about quick, small, actionable problems we have. Stuff we can solve between this and the next meeting. Everybody can add ideas to openFATE 19:25:38 <henne> http://bit.ly/opensuse_improve 19:26:27 <suseROCKs> I think we're actually finally perfect and leave no room necessary for improvement. 19:26:34 <suseROCKs> We have reached a significant milestone here! :-D 19:27:36 * henne scans through the items in fate 19:28:17 <tigerfoot> henne: don't do that ... 19:29:03 <henne> work you mean? yeah I heard it's infectious 19:30:37 <henne> all of them see infrastructure related 19:31:53 <henne> okay there is nothing in fate 19:32:00 <henne> I've cleaned the quee a bit too 19:32:17 <henne> leaves only the follow up from #osc11 19:32:26 <henne> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:What_to_improve_osc11_session 19:32:32 <henne> i have no idea what this is about 19:32:38 <henne> except venting of course :) 19:33:17 <suseROCKs> so close this topic then 19:33:21 <henne> okay 19:33:27 <AlanClark> okay 19:34:09 <henne> #agreed We are flawless, perfect, beautiful and unique snowflakes 19:34:19 * Abhish has discovered milk and honey in coffee is dleicious. 19:34:24 <suseROCKs> Who you calling a flake?!? 19:34:29 <henne> #topic Questions & Answers 19:34:39 <henne> any additional topics we need to discuss? 19:34:45 <suseROCKs> I have one more of a clarification 19:34:56 <henne> did this meeting generate any question you would like to ask? 19:35:11 <suseROCKs> To clarify, we will have the remaining meetings this year? Nov 30 and Dec 14 right? Then after that next meeting is Jan 4th? 19:35:22 <mrdocs> sounds good to me 19:35:33 <AlanClark> +1 19:35:34 <henne> Jan 4th sounds horrible :) 19:35:45 <suseROCKs> Turn off your hearing aid then 19:36:02 <henne> alrighty 19:36:03 <suseROCKs> Jan 4th is hand-off date for new Board? 19:36:56 <AlanClark> yes 19:37:13 <suseROCKs> ok so technically 3 more meetings for me. W00T! 19:37:18 <AlanClark> unless everyone is hung over from suse brew 19:37:41 <AlanClark> but the Germans only drink that at Octoberfes right? 19:37:44 <henne> alright. updated the calendard on news.o.o 19:37:56 <henne> anything else we need to discuss? 19:38:05 <AlanClark> I think we are done in record time 19:38:11 <henne> except AlanClarks obvious cultural challenges 8) 19:38:20 <suseROCKs> no way record time was 58 minutes a few months go 19:38:22 <suseROCKs> ago 19:38:36 <henne> alrighty 19:38:37 <AlanClark> thanks henne for moderating today 19:38:45 <henne> Okay that's it then. If you have more, don't hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 19:38:47 <mrdocs> yes thanks henne 19:38:50 * suseROCKs thanks henne for being in moderation today :-D 19:38:52 <henne> #info The next project meeting will be in two weeks. Same channel (#opensuse-project), same time (18:00 UTC). 19:38:58 <henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! 19:39:01 <henne> #endmeeting