18:01:47 #startmeeting openSUSE Project+Board Meeting 2-Nov-2011 18:01:47 Meeting started Wed Nov 2 18:01:47 2011 UTC. The chair is AlanClark. 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Action items from prevous meetings 18:06:13 2. status reports 18:06:18 3. 2012 elections 18:06:27 4. permission requests 18:06:31 5. Improvements 18:06:34 6. Q/A 18:06:56 The details are located on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting 18:07:09 Anyone want to add to today's project meeting agenda? 18:07:39 #topic Action items from previous meetings 18:07:55 Can we discuss contributor gifts first? I have to leave in about 15 minutes... 18:08:56 sure. cboltz go ahead with an update. I've seen a lot of email, but am still catching. 18:09:08 s/catching/catching up 18:09:08 I'll paste the summary... 18:09:18 I sent a summary to the project ML about two weeks ago 18:09:20 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-10/msg00036.html 18:09:21 the (IMHO) most relevant replies were 18:09:23 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-10/msg00043.html 18:09:24 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2011-10/msg00041.html 18:09:26 I'll give a summary: 18:09:27 The most welcome gifts seem to be T-shirts (or polo shirts) 18:09:27 how come I don't see the contributor AI listed in the bugzila list? 18:09:29 Most people think that "at each release" would be the best "frequency" for a gift - probably because they are used to it 18:09:30 The idea for playing cards resulted in the idea to create an openSUSE game (as a separate project), but not as a contributor gift 18:09:32 Also the idea of naming a star for each contributor came up, but that only means paying a random company for some cute paperwork. 18:09:33 The idea of awards at the conference got mixed feedback 18:09:35 SLE* licenses (xx% off) were proposed as a general member benefit, but don't fit as a contributor gift 18:09:36 That's the summary - now discuss, decide and find a sponsor ;-) 18:09:41 oh wait I see it. never mind :-D 18:10:31 cboltz: I know that you talked to AJ about the cost of world wide shipping 18:10:47 will a t-shirt bankrupt us? 18:10:58 yes, that's why my last line includes "find a sponsor" ;-) 18:11:03 :-) 18:11:05 wasn't the cost of tshirts one of the early reasons why we started this discussion? 18:11:26 hmm a sponsor to pay for tshirt costs (incl. shipping?) 18:11:39 the problem is more located in the cost of shipment and customs and less in the costs for the tshirt if I understand AJ right 18:11:40 general question: how many people want such gifts? 18:11:50 (at least when it comes to the non-european countries) 18:11:59 cboltz: is correct. It's the cost of shipping 18:12:13 k-d-l: well, not too many people actively ask for it 18:12:30 but they are very happy if they receive something as a "thank you" 18:12:55 well... here's my perspective on tshirts. When I started in the community I longed for a tshirt beecause I didn't have one... Now.. a few years later, I literally have too many tshirts. 18:13:01 k-d-l: it's not about "want" I think, it's more about "you just get it if you contribute" 18:13:01 okay, maybe we should start a poll on connect first? Yeah. such thank yous are always nice, but at the same we have to find a sponsor. 18:13:13 And even been told by my GF, can't you wear something other than openSUSE? :-D 18:13:20 k-d-l: poll about what? 18:13:35 cboltz: what's your recommended next step? 18:13:35 about delivering such gifts. 18:13:36 suseROCKs: take a shirt with tux on it tomorrow *g* 18:14:01 AlanClark: first we should decide if/what we want to do 18:14:05 but the "how many" question is certainly valid. 18:14:21 then someone[tm] can calculate the costs 18:14:21 How many shirts are we looking to send out? 18:14:23 I honestly don't think that a "sponsor" is the way to go because the sponsor will expect their logo on the shirt as well. And then we have to go through all kinds of design considerations, etc. 18:14:25 and find out if it is possible 18:14:46 suseROCKs: the sponsor could even be SUSE 18:14:49 I would suggest to search a sponsor (what about SUSE?) and then create a budget first 18:14:57 AJ didn't promise anything, but also didn't say that it would be impossible 18:15:10 cboltz, well the sponsor right now is considered SUSE by default. And SUSE indicates its costly 18:16:03 k-d-l: that makes it difficult for us _and_ the sponsor because nobody knows how much money would be needed 18:16:13 here's my concern about the thread discussion so far. It doesn't make clear that there is a biting cost factor associated with tshirts. So people didn't really give "something other than a tshirt" enough thought. That's why we haven't seen many cool alternative suggestions. 18:16:17 anything we do is going to incur cost. Let's focus on what we really want to do, then we'll find a sponsor. 18:16:20 What are the proposed criteria to qualify for the gift? 18:17:11 yes, asking a sponsor "we need xxx � for yyy" (and risk to fail) is the way to go 18:17:13 robjo, You're a member. That's the only criteria we use so far 18:17:30 AlanClark: agreed, anything physical will have shipping cost 18:17:54 suseROCKs: works for me but then it should not be named a "contributor gift" 18:17:56 we should start revoking membership status for those who don't vote in the elections two times then 18:18:06 so we get rid of inactive members 18:18:12 robjo, But you don't become a member unless you're a contributor 18:18:13 I'm certain we have "inactive" members 18:18:21 although you can be a contributor without being a member. True 18:18:37 robjo: any "manual" selection of people would cause lots of work and is probably impossible 18:19:00 ok - we have 3 subtopics here. 1 - decide if/what we want to do 2 - determine a criteria 3- determine a sponsor. I recommend that we have cboltz focus on the 1, then let's tackle the others 18:19:00 cboltz: I agree, that's why I asked the question 18:19:03 What about the removal of board members for actions not becoming of the board? 18:19:07 prusnak: +1 18:19:09 We should list it as a benefit (thus encouraging more people to apply for membership) that you'll get gifts with each release cycle. 18:19:14 we already have a small additional requirement: enter or confirm your address in connect 18:19:21 I hope this filters out inactive members 18:19:36 AlanClark: +1 18:19:38 cboltz: good point 18:20:23 ok guys let's stay on task here so that we can keep the meeting on target. 18:20:30 So, I will repeat. Members of the board, how will you enforce that for members of the board? 18:20:35 AlanClark: the criteria was already decided some meetings ago (and is written to bugzilla) ;-) 18:21:15 You will not get away with what you did, so you better answer!!!!!! 18:21:21 cboltz: ok, good 18:21:48 Once again members of the board who do not listen, what will you do? 18:21:51 gmzysk: The board answers to membership, what's your problem? 18:22:11 gmzysk: please let us discuss the topic at hand.. its just being polite.... 18:22:25 we can take this up in Q&A afterwards 18:22:41 robjo: Recently two members of the board made a decison without consenting the rest of the board 18:22:57 back to th etshirts, andvantage is that they are pretty light and should be easy to ship, i.e. pretty cheap 18:22:57 So, how do we deal with that? 18:23:05 This is a seriuos issue 18:23:22 gmzysk: you are off topic 18:23:22 And o none of the members of the board have addressed it 18:23:30 gmzysk: maybe (I don't know the details), but it has nothing to do with contributor gifts ;-) 18:23:37 please discuss it later in Q&A 18:23:39 gmzysk: yes, but has nothing to do with the contributor gift, lets tsick to the topic at hand. 18:23:40 AlanClark: you are one of those people and you know it 18:24:01 AlanClark: And so do MANY others 18:24:16 gmzysk: later please 18:24:16 gmzysk later, okay? 18:24:31 gmzysk: please try to stay on topic and we will address your issues in Q&A section 18:24:38 cboltz: what would you like to propose to resolve the "determine if/what" 18:24:57 Bikeshedding again 18:25:04 the most welcome gift seem to be t-shirts (or polos if you want a better quality) 18:25:33 one of the reasons is that you can wear them at events etc. 18:25:33 cboltz: +1 18:25:47 and show off "I contribute to openSUSE" 18:25:56 +1 for polo shirts 18:26:02 if its doable 18:26:19 +1 for the shirts 18:26:21 +1 for polo shirts.. also if the design is given I can ask local charges too ( might be cheap for us ) 18:26:40 (which is different to the "normal" openSUSE t-shirts and the reason why I proposed to have something special from the beginning) 18:26:41 yeap and all give sizes 18:26:56 manugupt1: yes, local production could help saving costs 18:26:57 You know, tshirts can be shipped in little packaging like in tubes or vacuum squares. Might make it even cheaper to send out 18:27:16 okay, so is there anything else to discuss than just how to get a sponsor to make them? 18:27:25 suseROCKs: +1 18:27:27 we could also try to find someone who distributes them in a country to save shipment costs 18:28:00 cboltz: Locally it will take about 7 euro / tshirt with one or 2 colors and good quality I guess for like 30 tshits just for info in India 18:28:18 cboltz and others. Those are good ideas tha we can chase offline. 18:28:26 let's discuss logistics off-meeting. We at least have a consensus on what we want to send out. 18:28:28 that sounds much cheaper than the shipment costs (and customs) :-) 18:28:37 yep i think this discussion belongs to the mailing list 18:28:40 cboltz: did you want to poll or go with a polo shirt recommendation? 18:28:45 cboltz: yes, if we are OK with some delay, maybe we can stick shirts in people's suitcases when they travel to a given country 18:29:47 AlanClark: it looks like everyone here likes the idea, and a polo is better than a t-shirt 18:30:00 so: yes, I recommend a polo shirt 18:30:01 I only have one final suggestion on this topic. Insted of polling tshirts vs. polo, let's open up a design poll and whatever is the best design that will influence whether it is a tshirt or polo 18:30:30 When I did some quick search for oSC shirts I found companies that do shirts for around $6 18:30:53 suseROCKs: do you think there are designs that will only fit on a t-shirt _or_ a polo? 18:31:09 cboltz, yes 18:31:14 ok let's go with a shirt. Let's work the details outside of this meeing. cboltz would you setup a IRC or email thread so that we can work the details? 18:31:29 A polo is more "logo-type" whereas a tshirt is more "anything goes" :-) 18:31:39 I'll send a mail to the project mailinglist 18:32:10 one last question: do we stay with "once per release" (which is what most people seem to prefer)? 18:32:12 also please set up a wiki page where people can upload design proposals. 18:32:32 robjo: good idea 18:32:33 cboltz, +1 to per release 18:32:35 and we need a time line for submitting the proposals and final vote 18:32:40 I'd suggest breaking into several subtopics: 1. Shirt type (polo, t-shirt, ..) 2. design 3. how to distribute 4. sponsor(s) 18:33:00 5. timeline 18:33:18 AlanClark: good point - that makes several mails, but keeps the discussion readable ;-) 18:33:40 AlanClark: +1 18:34:01 #info cboltz to create email threads to determine details for contributor gifts: 18:34:03 several subtopics: 1. Shirt type (polo, t-shirt, ..) 2. design 3. how to distribute 4. sponsor(s) 18:34:04 [12:36] 5. timeline 18:34:13 ok that #info didn't work 18:35:26 #info cboltz to create email threads to determine details for contributor gifts including shirt type, design, distribution, sponsors, timeline 18:35:37 very good Thank cboltz! 18:35:46 cboltz anything more? 18:36:07 no, that's it for now 18:36:14 (and I finally have to leave ;-) 18:36:25 cboltz: thanks for the effort 18:36:42 ok, next AI 18:37:10 manu - any update on the google code in that we should discuss here? 18:37:18 AlanClark: Hi yes.. 18:37:45 First of all I must say thanks a lot to everyone in and out of meeting for making the list of tasks 18:38:07 Some tasks are suited to GCI while some are not,, if No one minds them I had like to edit them this weekend 18:38:34 vuntz: and prusnak are the admins again for GCi and results will be out by 9th Novemeber and yes we already submitted the applications 18:38:34 manugupt1: Please let students decide what is appropriate for them. 18:38:43 manugupt1: no editing, IMHO 18:39:17 robjo: Yes.. but the tasks vary from usually a few hours to days, but some are simply not 18:39:39 as they are from 13-17, however I will do anything with prior consent from the mentor who has added himself to the task 18:39:57 Since its a no from you I wont touch it robjo 18:40:06 btw wikipage is at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GCI , list of tasks is at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GCI_tasks 18:40:23 robjo, I don't think GCI works the same way as GSoC worked. This one we have to assign tasks rather than let students propose tasks. (esp. since these tasks are to be approved before the start of GCI) 18:41:22 Does that sound good to everyone? 18:41:29 +1 18:41:32 +1 manugupt1 18:41:33 suseROCKs: but if we assign, that would mean we have to have a "resume" from every student 18:41:38 +1 18:42:15 robjo, No we don't assign tasks to a specific person. We assign (Define) tasks. And students look at the list and grab what they can 18:42:28 or am I wrong, manugupt1? 18:43:03 I think the mentor has a choice in determining the student too 18:43:25 Because at the end mentor decides if the student has completed the task or not 18:43:57 well I guess that's something to be clarified on the mentor ML 18:44:05 the mentor can pick or not the student, also he can reject a student 18:44:14 during the task 18:44:49 robjo: did that answer your question? 18:44:52 that is what I asked and learned 18:45:18 any other questions for manugupt1? 18:45:33 spam: the Greek Fedora community will work for openSUSE tasks here in Greece ;-) 18:45:54 warlordfff: Good :) 18:46:09 yeap ;-) 18:46:14 warlordfff: get gentoo too :P 18:46:18 AlanClark: didn't really have a question, just pointed out that IMHO we should let students decide whether they feel capable of completing the task, rather than playing "god" and deciding for them what is suitable. 18:46:39 robjo: +1 18:46:40 robjo: ok. manugupt1: What more is needed from the community at this point? Do we have sufficient mentors? 18:47:27 AlanClark: We have a sizeable number of mentors but the more the better, and we lack code related tasks ( like bug triaging and code refactoring and other stuff ) so we need more of them 18:48:23 manugupt1: we have the cross links to "junior bugs" and I think we have "packaging" on the list, that ought to be sufficient 18:48:41 #info Everyone please look at the GCI task list and volunteer to mentor 18:48:45 as a distro our focus is on packaging, not necessarily coding 18:49:09 robjo: yes .. but there are bug fixes, bug triaging etc ec 18:49:12 Thanks manugupt1anything else to discuss on this topic? 18:49:25 I dont think so.. 18:49:27 yeah, Lets Rock them 18:49:30 ;-) 18:49:36 I would wait for the results now 18:49:51 as vuntz suggested 18:50:26 manugupt1: Thanks for your leadership on this. The list looks great. Hopefully we will get lots of students! 18:50:28 Lets see if we get accepted. 18:50:56 ok, let's move to the board AI's 18:51:18 The Board AI's: http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 18:51:58 AlanClark: you're up ;) foundation? 18:52:12 yes - the first one is assigned to me. 18:52:18 Here's a quick update. 18:52:51 I am focused on the budget and finance area. 18:52:58 at the moment. 18:53:23 I've met with SUSE Accounting and General Ledger teams. 18:53:44 I'm in the queue to meet with The Tax and Finance teams. 18:54:28 The topic and question that I'm pursuing, is what/how we run a budget within the foundation and account for the funds. 18:54:41 I'm getting myself into all kinds of topics 18:54:58 And trouble too 18:55:06 including "the paypals" of the world. 18:55:20 AlanClark: still working on the list about what the community has to take over when we have the foundation, as discussed at oSC? 18:55:34 gmzysk: please 18:55:58 robjo: yes that's partly what started me down this path. 18:56:15 AlanClark: cool thanks 18:56:34 The tax and finance is going to take a couple more weeks. (They are working on the end of year books at the moment) 18:56:48 I'll give an update again in a couple weeks. 18:57:18 In the mean time, anyone want to help me on the budget side of things aka spreadsheet for similar? 18:57:35 any questions on this topic? 18:57:37 AlanClark: Other than the finance stuff is the "foundation creation process" moving forward again, it appeared stuck for a while? 18:58:17 Attachmate legal on board now? 18:58:38 robjo: the main "stuck" is my needing to figure this area out for legal and others 18:58:49 ok 18:59:10 It's more complicated than I originally thought. 18:59:25 it always is ;) 18:59:48 yup, I'm learning about PCI 18:59:58 PCI?? 19:00:32 The payment card industry. (think handling credit card information) 19:00:48 Ok.. I thought something else 19:01:01 any other questions on this topic? 19:01:24 next AI - prusnak any update 19:01:33 no updates 19:01:44 unfortunately 19:01:49 ok, let's move to the next agenda item 19:02:09 #topic status reports 19:02:42 manugupt1 gave us an update on GCI. 19:02:52 any other project related status reports? 19:04:20 ok, then let's move to the next agenda item 19:04:31 #topic 2012 elections 19:05:13 Would anyone from the election commitee like to provide an update? 19:05:55 I do have one question.... 19:06:14 in last meeting, we all emphasized it was important to discuss with membership team regarding the election schedule. 19:06:36 It's kind of moot now since the timeline is now publicly announced, but did the membership team ever get contacted? Board never received any confirmation of this. 19:08:35 suseROCKs: yes good question 19:09:11 suseROCKs: Perhaps we should follow up with the membership committee to see if/what help they will need given the election deadlines. 19:09:52 I just want to make sure they don't feel blindsided. That's what they felt in the last round. 19:10:16 yes I remember the discussion. 19:10:27 suseROCKs: That is a funny comment coming from you!!! 19:11:21 suseROCKs: yeap I sent an email and never got an answer 19:11:31 so we moved on further 19:11:47 warlordfff, you sent it to membership ML or? 19:12:01 I send it to the list that is on the wiki 19:12:06 as contact 19:12:06 ok 19:12:20 then its a fair decision warlordfff 19:12:27 I can find it and forward it to you if you like 19:12:29 and I support it :-) 19:12:41 ;-) 19:12:42 warlordfff: Thank you for extending that effort. 19:13:03 nah warlordfff We take your word :-) 19:13:20 thanks ;-) 19:13:56 anything else on this topic? 19:15:22 warlordfff: Tell the team they did a great job on the announcement email 19:15:30 ok, next topic 19:15:35 ok AlanClark 19:15:40 #topic permission requests 19:16:26 Permission requests need to be voted upon by the Board members. Members of the community are invited to provide insight and comments. 19:16:52 We have 2 permission requests on today's agenda 19:16:55 I saw a proposal for tunisian openSUSE website. I give +1 to that 19:17:24 The first is a request from the Tunisian Ambassadors for the creation of opensuse.tn 19:17:25 is not that legal? 19:17:57 they said they have a problem with the owner,am I right? 19:18:13 wasn´t that the guys in romania 19:18:16 ? 19:18:29 no, it was romania, the second one 19:18:40 maybe I am wrong, sorry 19:18:54 +1 for opensuse.tn 19:18:58 ok I am wrong 19:18:59 +1 too 19:19:06 +1 opensuse.tn 19:19:28 Do we have any of the Tunisian Ambassadors present? 19:20:04 Tunisia just had an 80% election turnout. Lets make sure they do 80+% for openSUSE elections too :-) 19:21:11 I would like to make the following proposal. 19:22:44 Actually I have a question to the board before I make a proposal 19:23:42 Actually my question isn't just to the board, but the members as well. 19:24:10 In the email, they stated that they would like to create the website with tutorials, articles, etc... 19:24:38 Would we prefer that they do that on opensuse.tn or have opensuse.tn redirect to opensuse.org? 19:25:39 would be nice to have it redirected to the tunisian instance of our wiki (do have that?) but ultimately there are other things they could be doing on that website as well that wouldn't necessarily be redirected 19:25:45 If they run opensuse.tn independently of .org then I am not in favor of this 19:26:12 why would opensuse.tn not be a redirect to .or with a parameter that shows localized pages? 19:26:50 robjo, I guess it depends on what they're doing. In general, I would encourage folks to redirect to a central place, yes 19:27:13 but I don't think we should "require" them, but rather offer them guidance. They may not realize the capabilities here. 19:27:19 maybe then don't want to have just wiki 19:27:33 exactly prusnak 19:27:44 but i agree about guidance thingie 19:28:03 let's not limit them, but advise them we could offer them wiki space 19:28:06 eg 19:28:07 but then we loose this at .org 19:28:15 tn.opensuse.org ? 19:28:23 Do we have some written guidence that we can point them to? 19:28:34 Maybe offer them a combination of both like have them redirected to wiki, but they can also like some article blog or something like that 19:28:49 if they add tutorials and whatever that is completely independent from .org we loose info. 19:28:57 AlanClark, I don't think we have a very well coordinated FAQ on this kind of stuff. (Could be wrong) It's something we should strive for though, yes 19:29:09 I can help them with that 19:29:14 Having this stuff at .org might inspire others to translate the tutorials etc. 19:29:30 maybe after the elctions I could also write some related documentation 19:29:31 robjo: exactly.. and as it will mostly likely be in Arabic, it could be interesting for other Arabic readers 19:29:45 robjo: you are still expecting they are trying to start a wiki 19:29:57 ah warlordfff: you could really be a great guide for them. 19:29:58 which might not be true 19:30:05 prusnak: no, I said tutorial 19:31:00 there's also the concern that as we proliferate openSUSE sites, we disstort the openSUSE message across the board 19:31:03 The audio portion of a video can be translated, or the video can be subtitled, whatever 19:31:23 AlanClark: I would be glad too, just tell them to get in touch with me 19:31:24 suseROCKs: +1 19:31:28 but that's something we should address in some kind of task force to look at the overall symptoms and solutions rather than trying to figure it out here in a trademark topic discussion 19:31:31 i think this is not for us to decide 19:31:51 just tell me they have a yes for registering a domain and they can consider redirecting it to tn.o.o 19:32:02 I can give them great reasons to stay on the wiki and not make an independent site 19:32:03 because that's what's the best from the project perspective 19:32:07 I think this requires more discussion prior to a "trademark" vote 19:32:58 the trademark vote had happened 19:33:12 robjo, Not really, we approve such domain requests in the past with the one caveat, you don't shed openSUSE in a negative light. We can't change the rules here for tunisia what we've already done for other countries 19:33:17 AlanClark and the others from the board tought me well on that 19:33:19 or not? 19:33:42 prusnak, we voted :-) 19:33:44 ah it was +1 from non-board member :-/ 19:33:57 to warlordfff's point. Novell, as the trademark owner, needs to purchase the domain. 19:34:15 suseROCKs: ok, was not aware of that 19:34:22 they can use it for re-direction 19:34:22 So here is my proposal for a board vote: 19:34:49 1. That Alan work with legal to have them purchase the rights to the domain for 2 years 19:35:10 if it can be acquired for a "reasonable" amount of $$ 19:35:57 umm I think that's going to befuddle things 19:36:04 i vote against that 19:36:12 why? 19:36:18 has this happened before eg novell buying the domain ? 19:36:26 First of all, if that's the case, then Novell should just make life easier and buy all openSUSE.xx's out there and be done with it. 19:36:27 because by the time they'll have opensuse.tn they will go somewhere else 19:36:44 and i disagree that novell needs to purchase the domain 19:37:06 Prusnak: +1 They don't by law have to 19:37:18 Second, we want to encourage people to spread the word of openSUSE gospel. If we add this layer of bureaucracy, then people won't feel as motivated to do some potentially creative things in their corner of the world 19:37:29 I agree with prusnak and suseROCKs 19:37:30 we can enforce the trademark if they do something bad on this site 19:37:35 Novell just needs to give them the rights to use the trademark, that is it 19:37:42 but please let's not overdo this 19:38:38 It seems to me that Novell is trying to heavy hand the community here with misleading information!!! 19:38:52 gmzysk: please hold your horses 19:39:11 prusnak: I am trying 19:39:24 I'm surprised by your responses. I was looking at it as an expense that the Amabassadors wouldn't have to cover. 19:40:00 A domain at 50 euro per year? 19:40:15 AlanClark: I have no objection to buying the domains, but im concerned about adding delay and bureaucracy 19:40:24 23 per 2 years 19:40:30 same here 19:40:43 warlordfff: even better ;-) 19:40:54 it's really easier to buy that themselves 19:40:58 Its actually an ambassador benefit warlordfff ;) 19:41:02 you can use it 19:41:03 from my view 19:41:22 But it should be done quickly imo.. 19:41:23 manugupt1: yeap 19:41:31 ok so that leaves the approval of the trademark usage. 19:41:45 I just don't think Novell buy the domain is within the spirit of the trademark guidelines we implemented 19:42:04 However... I think it is a nice gesture on Novell (or SUSE)'s part if they offer to reimburse your costs for purchasing a domain 19:42:14 it will be much quicker to purchase it themselves +1 suseROCKs 19:42:37 SUSE has actually the legal right so... 19:42:45 Reimbursement is a nice idea, once the site is functional for the ambassadors.. but thats a different topic I guess 19:43:13 manugupt1: especially because we're talking about a small amount and Novell doesn't like reimbursing amounts under 500 euro or so 19:43:17 local comunities can benefit alot by it 19:43:29 jospoortvliet: Ah.. I remember :) 19:43:33 :D 19:43:42 jospoortvliet, so we encourage them to dummy up the reimbursement form :-) 19:43:51 * manugupt1 wishes jospoortvliet makes a local account for the Indians 19:43:56 suseROCKs: you suggest fraud? tssss... 19:44:09 and i think we should replace Novell with SUSE in the sentences anyway, no? 19:44:11 hehe 19:44:12 with the approval of the trademark usage, do you want to propose anything additional? redirection, work with warlordfff, etc? 19:44:22 manugupt1: hehe it's why a foundation would be good. 19:44:31