18:02:26 #startmeeting openSUSE Project + Board Meeting -- 01-June-2011 18:02:26 Meeting started Wed Jun 1 18:02:26 2011 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:27 i am here 18:02:38 #chair prusnak mrdocs 18:02:38 Current chairs: mrdocs prusnak suseROCKs 18:02:52 i�m here too 18:03:00 Alrighty, board members present are prusnak mrdocs and suseROCKs 18:03:13 Not present are AlanClark, Henne and Rupert (all on travel and send their regrets) 18:03:44 prusnak, opinion? Do we meet a quorum for the board meeting portion of this meeting with just 3 members? Or do we skip board and focus only on Project (which includes any Conference discussions)? 18:04:19 we don't have a quorum do we? 18:05:06 (that was a rhetorical question :) 18:05:07 prusnak, I'm not sure We don't have clear rules on defining a quorum in openSUSE 18:05:21 we do, quorum is simple majority 18:05:22 I tend to think we don't meet a quorum and should just focus on project stuff 18:05:31 +1 18:05:33 k 18:05:51 ok then we have agreement to only focus on Project stuff today 18:05:56 perhaps reschedule bpard stuff for next week ? 18:06:19 * Abhish imagines there is much to discuss iin project anyway. 18:06:34 mrdocs, Nah, we'll just reconvene at the next regularly scheduled time 18:06:47 Today;s Agenda: 18:06:50 okidoki 18:06:52 1. Status Reports 18:06:58 2. Action Items 18:07:01 3. Conference 18:07:06 Any objections? 18:07:15 rock and roll 18:07:57 very well, let's truly begin now... 18:08:10 #topic openSUSE Project Meeting | Topic: Status Reports 18:08:32 I'll assume there's not many people here to talk about the status of their teams. But anyone who is here, please speak up 18:09:00 Does So Cal Ambassadors count? 18:09:12 Abhish: if you are nice ;) 18:09:28 Abhish, specific individual stuff, not really. Status reports are about overall team reports 18:09:31 Abhish: are there any No Cal Ambassadors ? 18:09:41 but nevertheless, I'd love to hear about what's going on in SoCal 18:09:45 mrdocs: I don't believe so. 18:09:49 mrdocs, the proper term is "NorCal" 18:09:51 and yes 18:09:55 that's a FIXME 18:10:16 Abhish: im moving there this summer 18:10:19 mrdocs, take some time to get to know rtyler when you get a chance 18:10:22 back on topic 18:10:33 mrdocs: O very good, we just started a LUG in our area. 18:10:44 Congrats Abhish 18:10:44 Abhish: nice :D 18:11:02 Wonderful to see our attention to SoCal paying off. Thanks Abhish 18:11:09 * Abhish bows. 18:11:34 Some other status reports that I can mention but not of any authority to discuss in any detail... 18:11:44 FYI from the KDe meeting i lurked: KDE 4.7b1 going in to Factory next week 18:11:51 openSUSE 12.1 Milestone 1 is released and you can see the news about it on news.o.o if you aren't aware of it 18:12:19 Artwork team is mobilizing now for 12.1 artwork as well.... 18:12:34 I believe the roadmap for the KDE team is up after this mornings meeting. Looks excellent. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_ideas 18:12:44 #info Status: openSUSE 12.1 Milestone 1 is released 18:12:57 #info Status: Kde 4.7b1 will be going into Factory next week 18:13:14 #info Status: Artwork Team is mobilizing to create artwork for 12.1 18:13:33 #info Status: Abhish has worked to form a LUG for openSUSE in Southern California 18:13:53 Any other statuses I'm missing here? 18:14:21 jospoortvliet, Surely with all you do, there's some interesting statuses out there we'd love to hear about 18:14:22 Gnome 3 live ISO now works with Vbox latest 18:14:36 thanks to fcrozat and the Gnome team 18:14:51 mrdocs, Feel free to use #info as a co-chair :-D 18:14:53 suseROCKs: I don't really have anything, actually. 's been quiet lately... 18:15:01 mrdocs: yes, that's a cool thing! 18:15:14 OBS rename? 18:15:27 oh yes! /me smacks head at forgetting that 18:15:28 #info Satus Gnome 3 live ISO now works with Vbox latest 4.08 thanks to fcrozat and the Gnome team 18:15:48 #info Status: openSUSE Build Service is officially renamed as Open Build Service 18:16:04 ok I think we covered quite a bit for such a quite period :-) 18:16:06 starting of the GSoC coding period? 18:16:09 ipv6 day? 18:16:25 LOL jospoortvliet You're right, we're really quiet after all ;-D 18:16:41 lol 18:16:49 yes, actually, plenty going on... 18:16:58 sshaw, is everyone squared away to get there "openSUSE <3 IPv6" Tattoos? 18:17:01 #info Status IPV6 day June 8 18:17:12 #info Status: GSOC coding started 18:17:14 :D 18:17:18 k-d-l: tnx hehe 18:17:23 you can 'status' too, btw 18:17:24 * Abhish plans to get a geeko trampstamp. 18:17:26 #info Status GS0C Coding started 18:17:27 suseROCKs: I got an ipv6 address for my linode server ;) 18:17:27 IPV6 is enabled by default in all recent *SUSE releases 18:17:31 #chair jospoortvliet 18:17:31 Current chairs: jospoortvliet mrdocs prusnak suseROCKs 18:17:32 trampstamp?!? 18:17:38 now jospoortvliet can do # 18:17:43 #crap 18:17:50 nah don't think it works... 18:18:00 no shit coming out of my computer... 18:18:07 ok we can move on to next topic now, I think 18:18:16 * jospoortvliet thinks all crap ends up at suseROCKs place 18:18:19 jospoortvliet, I thought in your case it was an input, not an output 18:18:28 we were hoping... 18:18:29 oh... :D 18:18:44 #topic openSUSE Project + Board meeting | Action Items 18:18:54 Ok we're now on next topic and let me get the URL.. hang on a sec 18:19:14 see our current list of Project Action items http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 18:19:52 We have three items, two belonging to Henne, so we'll skip those 18:20:16 and for javier's item, he ain't here neither 18:20:22 so we get to close this topic and move on! W00T! 18:20:44 * suseROCKs notes new record. First time we completed first two topics in 19 minutes.... 18:21:06 #topic openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: Conference Status 18:21:20 Ok calling all Conference participants... 18:21:34 jospoortvliet, yaloki vuntz suseROCKs 18:21:38 who else am I missing? 18:22:01 Any of you have anything to mention about the Conference planning, speak up now for your turn.... 18:22:40 as izabel is not here 18:22:42 yes live streaming or recording for those who miss it 18:22:48 I can say we're getting closer with the sponsorship stuff 18:22:56 we now have a list of potential sponsors and contact people 18:23:10 and our brochure is in design phase, tigerfoot is helping with that. 18:23:21 (design phase => content is done) 18:23:35 jospoortvliet, are you guys soliciting suggestions from the community at large for possible sponsors to contact? 18:23:52 we'll hopefully get an article out on news.o.o as soon as the brochure is ready to ask for input. And we'll start contacting sponsors at that point, too. 18:24:32 hopefully next week, I understood that tigerfoot is very busy... but I hope we can get it done by Tuesday or so and publish the article & get going. 18:24:38 suseROCKs: so yes to your question :D 18:25:05 jospoortvliet, yes you have or yes you will? 18:25:31 suseROCKs: as I said, we're readying an article on the sponsorship stuff, and in that we'll ask for help. 18:25:52 #info Conference: Sponsorship Team intends to release brochure and begin contacting potential sponsors by next week 18:26:02 If there were any plans to hold conferences in Southern California, I could probably solicit a couple large local sponsors. 18:26:41 Abhish, That sounds like a good idea, and something Jos and I have talked about lately about finding ways to set up regional mini conferences. 18:26:46 Let's discuss that outside of this meeting 18:27:05 this particular topic is specifically about the upcoming Conerence in Nuremberg 18:27:38 manugupt1, your question about video... Live streaming will have to depend on internet capabilities on site. 18:28:08 As for recording, we need to ensure we have enough cameras to do that. That's always been a challenge every year, and we should probably ask community that will attend if they can bring their cameras as well for us to borrow for the week 18:28:17 We'll need something like 5 or 6 cameras to use for the week. 18:28:40 suseROCKs: jospoortvliet Cant we have media sponsors who will cover the event just a suggestion 18:28:43 * mrdocs steps away to tuck in the little one 18:28:49 and other conference members 18:28:59 manugupt1, that's a separate thing 18:29:14 covering the conference and recording the conference for our own media content are two different things 18:29:21 manugupt1: well, we'll have radio tux (or is it tuxradio?) cover it, as well as press. 18:29:24 we *want* to record and save all sessions like we did in the past 18:29:37 suseROCKs: yes, but that's gonna be hard... 18:29:52 I wouldn't know how to organize that 18:29:56 ou may be able to wor something out with the German equivalent of NPR or PBS. 18:29:56 jospoortvliet, It was done at first conference. Second conference we flubbed for some reason 18:30:02 suseROCKs: yes cannot some local channel do that 18:30:08 suseROCKs: I tried to organize it last year but it was too expensive 18:30:22 is there something like a "Offener Kanal" in N�g? If yes, you can borrow cameras there 18:30:22 think $5000 or so 18:30:26 jospoortvliet, then it was misplanned cuz it didn't cost us anything 2 years ago :-) 18:30:33 We just borrowed each other's cameras and did it. 18:30:39 Like TV channel or something like that 18:30:42 suseROCKs: well if you know how it was done, it'd be awesome to do it that way again 18:30:51 manugupt1, we want our own recordings so taht we own that content, not the media's copy 18:30:58 (they usually expect that you give them a video to broadcast later - but that would even be good advertisement) 18:31:00 esp considering we won't have many rooms that really need recording (only few talks, if things go according to plan) 18:31:22 cboltz: so what is that 'offener Kanal'? 18:31:23 cboltz: yap, exists -> http://www.radio-z.net/de.html 18:31:24 cboltz: its not an issue that they broadcast it later 18:31:32 till we have on blip 18:31:38 I think that way atleast 18:31:47 jospoortvliet, well I have a nice HD camera. I'll bring it, though i wanted to use it for romaing purposes. But that's at least one we have now. We just need 3 or 4 more I guess 18:31:50 well the point is - if anyone here wants to help us by organizing this part, it can be done. 18:32:04 we do have a marketing budget so we can even, if needed, trow a few bucks at it. 18:32:07 but not too much... 18:32:17 cboltz, yup and we should give it to Jupiter Networks too and any other online media companies 18:32:27 suseROCKs: unless you want to record the bof's we might have enough with 1 or 2 camera's 18:32:42 jospoortvliet, how many rooms will we have for regular sessions? 18:32:54 jospoortvliet: it's a local tv channel where everybody can bring/make a video and they'll broadcast it 18:33:06 I believe we did 4 in first year. Only thing that took so long was the encoding afterwards 18:33:08 suseROCKs: well rooms big enough for a serious number of people - 2, 3 with some stretching of the term 'serious number of people' :D 18:33:17 cboltz: aaah ok 18:33:29 jospoortvliet, ok so each formal session room should have its own camera. 18:33:42 suseROCKs: so with 2 camera's we cover most talks... 18:33:53 bof rooms don't really need that, and we have quite a few possible BOF rooms. 18:33:54 and possibly I might suggest we create an encoding station so we can quickly tend to it (as a team) instead of waiting for someone to do it many months later after the Conference 18:34:14 I agree with cboltz for having a local tv channel broadcast it i think it is a nice idea 18:34:17 well these are nitty gritty details. We can cover that as time comes along 18:34:36 suseROCKs: well yes - but we do need someone who is willing to take care of it 18:34:37 manugupt1, having multiple cameras is all good. Sure. But we still want OUR own recording that belongs to US 18:34:50 jospoortvliet, I'll take it up on my plate. 18:35:33 suseROCKs: sure? it might be easier for someone in germany at least... 18:35:47 jospoortvliet, and then we get the videos transcribed (at some point) and have our translation teams translate the scripts and thus we now have the conference accessible to everyone in different languages 18:35:59 Hmm.. 18:36:00 suseROCKs: sure, +1 for the ambition... 18:36:10 jospoortvliet, I'll be the poker, and we'll figure out the actual bodies as we get closer 18:36:16 ok... 18:37:00 give me a minute to talk about the rooms you asked about :D 18:37:04 if you're interested 18:37:22 #action Conference: suseROCKs to poke and get video recordings of Conference sessions organized 18:37:31 jospoortvliet, you have the floor 18:37:45 we have one huge hall which we can split up a bit. it'll be for the big talks/keynotes and as hacking space. 18:38:16 would there be actual room dividers? 18:38:32 probably 18:38:34 not sure yet 18:38:37 then the other rooms: 18:38:46 one big 320 m2 18:38:58 what does 320 m2 mean? 18:39:03 2 medium, 60 and 80 square metres 18:39:09 m2 is square metres... 18:39:10 :D 18:39:34 you people with your voodoo measurement units. Can't you be normal and use foot and inch like real people?!? 18:39:40 then 4 smaller rooms of 15-50 m2 18:39:45 foot and inch?!?!? 18:39:59 sorry but that doesn't make sense 18:40:04 it blew up a space shuttle, you know... 18:40:13 foot - come on, it's 2011, not 1532 :D 18:40:20 LOL 18:40:37 ok back to jospoortvliet's Guided Tour 18:40:41 well that was it 18:40:48 sounds great! 18:40:56 so one hall, one big room, 2 medium rooms and 4 smaller ones 18:41:04 jospoortvliet, I would probably highly recommend that we ensure there's some dividers for hackrooms 18:41:13 and there are room dividers but they aren't exactly sound proof. 18:41:19 Maybe I'm wrong but 5 hack teams all in one giant room might not get much done after all 18:41:31 and let me make 2 things very clear too: 18:41:35 - we'll have lots of flexibility 18:41:41 - but we'll have to do things ourselves 18:41:48 which also means it won't be as perfect as last year 18:41:50 BUT more fun :D 18:42:06 jospoortvliet, so I'm reading from this that we need "manpower" on the floor at all times 18:42:14 and we should appoint a team to be responsible for that during the event 18:42:15 suseROCKs: if you want to work together closely, get one of the small rooms :D 18:42:19 suseROCKs: yeah, probably 18:42:44 note that I'm not that much into the local stuff, I'm talking from what I've heard from Klaas and AJ 18:43:04 jospoortvliet, we will do complete build and teardown of the conference? No reliance on the site itself, right? 18:43:15 suseROCKs: exactly 18:43:19 that is my understanding at least... 18:43:26 I'm fine with that. 18:43:43 I just want to be sure that just because there are some "local" benefits, we don't create a situation where all the work is done by locals 18:43:59 I want to see a situation where even those that arrive from elsewhere can feel they can pitch in once they get on site 18:44:03 It's EVERYONE's conference 18:44:10 sure 18:44:20 we'll probably frequently need ppl to move around chairs and such 18:44:23 more than on previous conferences 18:44:29 and cleaning up we'll have to do ourselves too 18:44:33 stuff like that 18:44:36 fortunately I'm too lazy to do any manual labor 18:44:49 and maybe we need to organize a "get drinks from a supermarket" party once in a while too :D 18:45:03 suseROCKs: ok so we'll give you a whip and you can commandeer ppl around 18:45:10 will suit you just fine ;-) 18:45:19 * jospoortvliet votes "next topic" 18:45:52 jospoortvliet, I can use my cane instead :-) 18:46:11 well I think we covered quite a bit on the conference itself. 18:46:34 Folks, please do look at how you can get involved in participation. There's many ways to do it and we'll be speaking about that more and more as we get closer 18:46:43 Teamwork... that's what we're alllll about! 18:46:57 * suseROCKs does a bodyslam with jospoortvliet and manugupt1 18:47:09 ok let's move to next topic 18:47:23 * jospoortvliet hides 18:47:31 #topic openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: New items + Q&A 18:47:55 This is our freeflow section of the meeting where people can suggest, bring up, bitch, ask, or just plain old hug jospoortvliet 18:48:06 Groovy. 18:48:20 * suseROCKs suspects Abhish has something to say :-) 18:48:25 Indeed. 18:48:43 Unfortunatley I missed the KDE meeting, so I will have to interject here. 18:48:45 * suseROCKs slides the floor over to Abhish 18:48:49 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_ideas 18:48:56 That is bloody exciting. 18:49:23 Abhish: sounds like it is worth a blog then :D 18:49:33 because exciting stuff is what needs to be visible on at least planet.opensuse.org 18:49:39 as that is what gets us new contributors 18:49:46 As an ambassador, and a relatively new user I am acutely aware of the new users impressions. 18:49:55 * jospoortvliet just wrote a column about that subject 18:49:55 jospoortvliet: I'll write something up. 18:50:04 Abhish: you are a hero! 18:50:11 Abhish, You have a blog? Are you aggregated yet? 18:50:21 Not yet. Been painfully busy. 18:50:36 I also havea wiki tutorial to write. 18:50:54 I think this kind of storyline is worthy of a news.o.o article. How about you write the article and we'll post it for you on our news blog? 18:51:09 I wanted to propose that the KDE install use QtCurve as default theme. 18:51:20 suseROCKs: Sure, I should be able to do that. 18:51:36 Abhish: but oxygen is so pretty ;-) 18:51:37 suseROCKs: PM me with your e-mail or whatever is needed to streamline that. 18:51:42 Abhish, that kind of specific proposal should be directed to KDE team, not here. We're not empowered to re-direct teams. They are their own steam engine :-) 18:51:52 jospoortvliet: Oxygen is pretty until you use a GTK app. 18:52:12 Abhish, article submissions should be sent to news@o.o 18:52:22 Oxygen does not apply the background gradient to GTK. 18:52:28 suseROCKs: Ah, very well. 18:52:36 I would suggest this goes on marketing ML 18:52:40 Abhish: no, that's why you have the oxygen-gtk style 18:52:41 so that more people know 18:52:43 which works just fine 18:52:51 and makes gtk apps look almost pixel-perfect... 18:52:52 Which if you are also using the oxygen window decor looks all that much uglier. 18:52:55 the articles and then on news also 18:53:11 Abhish: so no problem there, really, install oxygen-gtk and enjoy good looking gtk apps :D 18:53:24 jospoortvliet: I have oxygen-gtk installed and enabled and still see this problem. 18:53:30 Abhish: I would almost advocate that style on GNOME too, I used it for a while (until gnome3) as it just looks good... 18:53:37 Abhish: then something must be wrong... 18:53:43 it is perfect here 18:53:56 please take that to the respective meetings - opensuse-kde meeting in this case 18:53:58 Abhish: do you have 1.0.5? 18:54:03 sorry 18:54:04 http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/01/plasma-desktopG18878.jpg 18:54:09 Abhish: ^ 18:54:22 jospoortvliet: Odd, I guess I'll have to look further into that as it has always been my experience with any KDE distro. 18:54:37 Abhish: go to gtk styles using alt+f2 and you will find an option.. dont remember what so you will have to look 18:55:21 Thus I thought it was always a problem with Oxygen. 18:55:38 Abhish, Tip. You should submit screenshots of your comparisons when discussing with whomever 18:55:48 that way they can see what you mean, or point out what you're doing wrong (if at all) 18:56:11 I had brought the issue to the KDE mailing list, and the general consensus I got was that this was the general experience. 18:56:29 But I shall do it again with a screencap. 18:56:45 yeah, there's not much we can do about it here :-/ 18:56:53 here = this meeting 18:56:56 http://wstaw.org/m/2011/06/01/plasma-desktopA23042.jpg 18:57:00 Abhish: ^ 18:57:12 ok are there other areas of interest, question, or criticism anyone has to bring up? 18:57:19 Regardless, I think a move to QtCurve with a Agua2 based light green theme would make a stronger impression on new users, and a logo can be applied to the background with qtcurve. 18:57:34 Abhish: to share a screenshot quickly, just use ksnapshot and drag the screenshot to the pastebin widget (put it on your panel) 18:57:46 it will return a url to your clipboard - then just paste :D 18:57:52 works with text and images. 18:57:52 Abhish: i wished you were at the KDE meeting earlier... perfect place to discuss that 18:57:56 can't be easier 18:58:04 Me too, but insomnia won. 18:58:12 lol 18:58:14 ok let's move on 18:58:17 jospoortvliet: I had wondered how that worked. 18:58:18 jospoortvliet, sure it can.... just blink your eyes and it gets instantly transported 18:58:19 +1 18:58:28 suseROCKs: hehe 18:58:46 ok so anything else or will we close this meeting in a record 59 minutes? 18:58:51 suseROCKs: do it!!!! 18:58:54 before the hour is over! 18:58:56 :D 18:59:00 +1 18:59:04 prusnak, mrdocs objections? 18:59:07 no 18:59:07 no 18:59:13 #endmeeting