18:04:19 #startmeeting openSUSE Project+Board Meeting 18-May-2011 18:04:19 Meeting started Wed May 18 18:04:19 2011 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:04:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:04:36 #chair henne AlanClark prusnak rhorstkoetter mrdocs_ 18:04:36 Current chairs: AlanClark henne mrdocs_ prusnak rhorstkoetter suseROCKs 18:05:00 ok first Board Roll Call. Who board members are here? 18:05:08 + suseROCKs 18:05:13 * prusnak here 18:05:28 * AlanClark here 18:05:53 * henne there 18:06:15 *here* 18:06:22 ok we have quorum 18:06:41 Folks, we have a deviation of the standard plan for our agenda today. 18:07:07 As we have a lot ot cover relating to the conference, some board members have asked to focus more on Conference and if we have time, return to standard items. 18:07:23 I concur with that proposal and will use the following: 18:07:34 1. Roll Call (3 minutes) 18:07:35 2. Conference Planning (30+ minutes) 18:07:35 2a. Location Team (AJaeger/Dragotin) 18:07:35 2b. Planning Committee (yaloki) 18:07:35 2c. Marketing (suseROCKs) 18:07:35 2d. Sponsorships (izabelvalverde) 18:07:42 2e. Additional Items 18:07:53 3. Return to standard agenda as time permits 18:08:08 So let's move on to the Conference! 18:08:27 #topic openSUSE Project+Board meeting | Topic Conference Planning 18:08:57 First on the list is the Location Team starring AJaeger and dragotin 18:09:03 You have the floor 18:09:29 dragotin: are you here? let met start and please chime in. 18:09:54 Location is basically secured (no contract signed yet), we have all the rooms we wanted. 18:10:18 We have a cafeteria on place that will serve lunch - and also coffee in the morning and something in the evening. 18:10:29 We plan for a BBQ on Monday evening 18:11:09 How many rooms will be available and what is their assumed accommodation size? 18:11:22 suseROCKs: maybe keep such details out for now? 18:11:28 (requirements are on the wiki anyway) 18:11:39 just a suggestion to keep this meeting below 2 hour :D 18:11:40 My next items are signing contracts, reserving hotels - and making long to do lists ;) 18:12:30 the location owner is looking right now at how we can have art at the location 18:12:47 I guess that rlihm and dragotin will make it beautiful ;) 18:13:49 So, it looks fine so far on our side but I'm not sure we have a complete overview on what we need and therefore might get some surprises coming up. 18:14:03 But with dragotin, oli etc we're a great team! 18:14:54 Anything else? 18:14:59 dragotin: Anything else? 18:15:01 "...how we can have art at the location" - could you explain what you mean? 18:15:09 are you looking to bring in art? 18:15:36 or are we going to hang suseROCKS and call him art ;-) 18:15:52 AlanClark: Zentrifuge is an art location. Btw. it's called Zentrifuge since they made washing machines there before - and for washing machines the centrifugal force is needed... 18:16:25 So, the location organizer knows lots of art folks - and wants to discuss with them how we can make the white walls nice ;) 18:16:41 So, yes - we want to bring in some art and thus not have a normal conference but a cool one! 18:16:47 and pictures of me all over the place isn't nice? 18:16:48 AlanClark: I may volunteer to actually be art clothed with just a grape leaf 18:16:52 just kidding 18:17:52 rhorstkoetter: well, no offense to suseROCKs but I would prefer you to be grape-leaf clothed over him. If only because you're smaller and thus easier to cover ;-) 18:17:53 I'm not sure what kind of art will be there - this is something we have to figure out. But I trust rlihm and dragotin on that aspect! 18:18:29 AJaeger: dragotin any ideas yet on the "after 4 o'clock" thing? Music/DJ stuff? 18:18:37 * AJaeger sometimes thinks that software developers are artists... 18:18:38 * jospoortvliet looks forward to some experimental music at oSC 2011 18:18:41 jospoortvliet: lol, we can talk about. just depends on salary :p 18:18:42 I just wondered if you were looking to the community for an action 18:18:51 hehehe 18:18:54 jospoortvliet: nothing on the after 4 o'clock yet 18:19:05 k 18:19:06 Can we keep ths short as jospoortvliet requested? 18:19:08 no hurry there 18:19:10 AlanClark: We could also do some kind of community art happening 18:19:29 AJaeger - ok something we can discuss later 18:19:29 As soon as we have talked with Zentrifuge, we'll get back to you. 18:19:41 suseROCKs is right, this seems on track. I vote for moving on to the next thing on the agenda :D 18:20:05 Just a note for marketing: The art aspect will give us some good marketing chances - speaking about art and IT... 18:20:27 ok next Conference topic is Planning Committee.. starring the great yaloki 18:20:28 Btw. dragotin wrote a wiki page with details, please check that one. 18:20:31 (if he's here) 18:20:53 if not, jospoortvliet you want to do this topic? 18:21:28 sec 18:21:56 ok, planning committee, what does that mean? 18:21:59 let me just give a side mark while jospoortvliet is away: 18:22:01 the paper committee? 18:22:11 jospoortvliet, yes 18:22:17 suseROCKs: ok 18:22:20 . 18:22:23 AJaeger: go ahead I'll talk after you 18:22:23 This year's openSUSE conference is together wit hthe SUSE Labs conference - let's speak about that one as well... 18:22:30 yaloki: aah you here, so you can do it 18:22:31 jospoortvliet: That was all - contineu ;9 18:22:35 ok 18:22:53 yaloki: you do the paper committee report? 18:22:53 * suseROCKs adds AJaeger's suggestion to "Additional" topic at end of current reports 18:22:57 if you've got anything prepared 18:23:13 otherwise I have a big thumb, it can easily come up with something :D 18:23:17 no I don't, had the flu and been working on my backlog, haven't catched up with conference stuff yet 18:23:37 ok 18:23:38 good evening 18:23:41 let my thumb speak then 18:23:56 so, we got the CfP out, that's a good news thing 18:24:04 I hope you all tweeted and dented that 18:24:08 and put it in your agenda 18:24:16 and added yourself as attending to the group on connect ;-) 18:24:24 we even have the first three (?) talks submitted 18:24:25 we already received a few mails from interested people 18:24:26 haven't see it relayed on the usual news sites as of now 18:24:32 s/see/seen/ 18:24:54 although I did write down eg requirements for the talk only after I thought of it and put it in the speakers guidelines... 18:25:01 i must say i'm a bit worried about the rwx³ story 18:25:02 not sure if that has been reviewed by the others 18:25:07 but it is reasonably simple 18:25:29 ok henne what is your concern? 18:25:41 i don't think we have worked this out to the end 18:25:53 its nothing you can write about 18:25:57 you know what I mean? 18:26:01 no 18:26:08 you can write heaps about it 18:26:16 yes its read/write but what does that actually mean? 18:26:17 yaloki: -> see project meeting time ? 18:26:24 henne: I kind'a get it. But I think our marketing team can work with it. I think the news.o.o article was OK, right? 18:26:27 tigerfoot: ? 18:26:41 jospoortvliet: apparently not. nobody picked it up 18:26:44 jospoortvliet: you know my opinion about it ;-) 18:26:46 not even the usual suspects 18:26:51 * tigerfoot trouble ... didn't realize in which channel I'm ... 18:26:54 henne: actually, someone did but yes, not major press unfortunately... 18:26:55 I've seen several pickups already 18:27:14 henne: read/write/execute ;) 18:27:15 and frankly, this is way too late to change anything 18:27:18 henne: it was on heise open 18:27:27 yes, its too late now 18:27:32 now we will pull it 18:27:34 nobody wants to change anything 18:27:36 i also think you can write something about it, read = use distro, write = report bugs, execute = contribute packages and other stuff 18:27:37 we discussed this for a long time, I personally wasn't too happy with it but there was consensus that this would work 18:27:39 so let's work with it 18:27:42 not bikeshed now 18:27:51 it can be expanded in various ways 18:27:51 prusnak: yep 18:27:58 so let's not talk about this please 18:28:00 and move on 18:28:03 okay 18:28:04 aye 18:28:06 whatever 18:28:12 we can work with it. Marketing team and others responded positively to the concept. 18:28:12 so are there any other questions about CfP? 18:28:16 yes 18:28:21 ok, so let's wait a day or two and see whether press picks it up -- if not, I guess we'll have to prod *sigh* 18:28:34 but the announcement came rather fast on us so we were a bit unprepared with promoting it. We're working on that now 18:28:46 btw another bit of info: we have no keynote speakers yet but I believe at least one idea is there and more will come. 18:29:04 suseROCKs: the announcement was 5 days late compared to what we initially planned on -project 2 weeks ago 18:29:12 see wiki 18:29:16 I have some ideas on the keynote front, but we should discuss those in a program committee meeting 18:29:19 yes, it was good to have it out 18:29:26 AlanClark: +1 18:29:29 AlanClark: +1 18:29:32 planned for 10th, came out on 16th 18:29:41 AlanClark: +1 too 18:30:05 AlanClark: Let's schedule a program committee meeting... 18:30:07 anything else on this topic? 18:30:10 Klaas has promised to update the conference tool 18:30:29 suseROCKS - before we leave this topic we need to schedule a program meeting 18:30:37 jospoortvliet: you want me to confirm that again? ;-) 18:30:39 sure 18:30:42 drago: no just mention it 18:30:48 AlanClark: what do you mean exactly? 18:30:58 jospoortvliet: WIP 18:30:59 btw the deadline I sucked out of my thumb for submissions is June 11th 18:31:00 our last program meeting didn't happen 18:31:08 so we need to set a date/time for the next one 18:31:16 yep 18:31:17 jospoortvliet, June or July? 18:31:19 jospoortvliet: So far the program commitee discussed on the mailing list but should meet on irc 18:31:21 AlanClark: what is there to discuss until we have a final list of submissions? Not being critical, just asking 18:31:23 suseROCKs: june 18:31:28 june? oO 18:31:31 pls can we do as much as program committee work on mailinglist? 18:31:34 yaloki: 1 month 18:31:36 that's early methinks 18:31:36 jospoortvliet: Keynote speakers 18:31:42 we need to decide keynotes, we need to decide how to track cfp's 18:31:45 no real need for more IRC meetings 18:31:50 but ok, we can still extend it if needed 18:32:14 I prefer mailing list as well, but ask everyone on the CFP team to keep close track of the mail so nothing falls into cracks 18:32:17 yaloki: yup 18:32:40 AlanClark: on keynotes. I propose to send ideas to the ML for now 18:32:44 drago - I'm ok with mailing list for now 18:32:49 on the cfp tracking, we did discuss that a bit now, right? 18:32:51 ok 18:32:57 anything else on this topic? 18:33:04 well we just need a proper list, for tracking 18:33:12 .o0( jospoortvliet seems to have an appointment later ) 18:33:12 a wiki page or google spreadsheet or whatever will do 18:33:16 * jospoortvliet gives the stick back to suseROCKs 18:33:26 yaloki: mailinglist ist more than proper, right= 18:33:27 yaloki: let's talk about that on the cfp list 18:33:28 ? 18:33:34 later have it in the conferenc etool 18:33:36 drago: not really because we'll have to vote on it 18:33:38 and I don't have an appointement but let's keep teamwork in the teams and not with everyone :D 18:33:51 yaloki: yes, until then we need another solution 18:33:59 drago: at least from my experience with doing exactly that for fosdem, having a proper list helps ;) 18:34:08 drago: once we picked, yes, → conf tool 18:34:11 I am currently investigating another conference system which has the functionality to vote on 18:34:15 * AJaeger needs to leave for a couple of minutes. I'll be back as quickly as possible... 18:34:28 drago: nah don't bother just for that, a spreadsheet and an IRC meeting will do 18:34:30 ok yaloki drago duke it out on the ML 18:34:35 suseROCKs: +1 18:34:36 okay 18:34:36 next 18:34:42 next... Marketing... which is me 18:34:45 2c. Marketing (suseROCKs) 18:34:52 Gee thanks jospoortvliet :-) 18:34:56 :D 18:35:17 Anyway, yesterday we had our monthly marketing team meeting and we dedicated it to identifying all the tasks we need to focus on for openSUSE Conference 18:35:35 we've built up a pretty good list which I'm now pulling together into a wiki page 18:36:04 I should be ready to announce the page by tmw and then get us all up to speed on blitzing the world about the conference until September 18:36:49 We've got a pretty good task list so far just hang in there and I'll publish it to everyone tmw 18:37:27 We'll be interacting a lot with the verious teams working on conference so we'll always stay up to date and push on news 18:37:29 * AJaeger is back 18:37:31 that's pretty much it 18:37:42 suseROCKS - link it to the conference planning page 18:37:52 suseROCKs: any tasks finished already? 18:37:56 AlanClark, will do once I'm done with it tonight 18:38:21 drago, well we've already announced on some social media sites. So we're moving forward there... 18:38:40 suseROCKs: cool 18:38:44 and btw, we have a facebook event page, and i would like to ask you all to visit it and encourage your network of riends and colleagues to be invited on that page as well. 18:38:57 url? 18:39:03 http://www.facebook.com/#!/event.php?eid=202207046487042 18:39:15 we'll be building up on other network sites this week as well. 18:39:45 I'm hoping that jospoortvliet plans to go to the conference, but he hasn't RSVP'ed yet. 18:40:13 * yaloki just clicked the "I'm attending" :P 18:40:21 lol 18:40:45 ok great... and that's about it for now. I'll ML the world with the fuller task list tmw 18:40:45 suseROCKs: a "how to promote the conference" post on news or the list would be cool 18:40:48 * prusnak doesn't have FB so can't click 18:41:05 my link to the oSC on connect.o.o in my tweet got over 50 clicks in a few hours and retweets by among others LinuxMag by the way. 18:41:19 * AJaeger didn't know that FB was banned in the Czech Republic ;) 18:41:58 ok That's all for this topic so we can move on to next topic 18:42:24 and the next topic is Sponsorship ... and the floor goes to.... izabelvalverde! 18:42:41 here few lines ;-) 18:42:48 First brochure writed and talked by email 18:42:55 We had a conference call last monday (Jos, Izabel, Voljtech, Jiri, AJ - missed Alan) 18:43:03 topics: SUSE Labs past experience and analisys of the oSC Brochure 18:43:09 Next move 18:43:24 1 - Wait for CfP feedback about Professional and visitors tickets 18:43:29 2 - review the brochure (values and plans) 18:43:36 3 - generate a list of companies & contacts we can ask for sponsorship 18:43:43 4 - Finish the brochure 18:43:46 5 - start to contact sponsors 18:43:49 done :D 18:43:56 wow :-) 18:44:16 professional and visitor tickets? 18:44:16 sorry first experience :) 18:44:20 drago: no. 5 is the tricky part ;) 18:44:31 Do we have values/plans guidellines ready? 18:44:45 henne it's about how much or if we should charge for them 18:44:46 AJaeger: I know as I was part of desktop summit orga team 18:44:49 can you please elaborate what those are? 18:45:12 henne: the idea is to offer an "extra pack" for paying "business" (= payed by their boss) participants 18:45:17 henne: it's not required by any means 18:45:17 AJaeger: actually no 3 is the tricky one 18:45:40 suseROCKs yes we have and still need to be reviewed 18:45:40 henne: but as an incentive for 1) bosses who think confs are worthless if they're free of charge, 2) have a bit of sponsoring that way 18:45:50 so supporter tickets 18:46:06 so the 10 € idea is dead? Good. Thought you were kidding actually 18:46:21 dunno whether the 10€ idea is dead 18:46:24 we still need to figure out how to get the money (accounting wise) 18:46:30 was and still is an idea (and not more at this point), afaik 18:46:31 the 10€ idea? 18:46:32 drago: No, not dead yet. 18:46:34 henne drago it's to garantee the intention to attend 18:46:38 can you maybe elaborate on all of this? 18:46:48 i mean not everyone is on your phone calls :) 18:47:01 ok 18:47:14 izabelvalverde: last year we had about 5 wrong subscriptions? 18:47:22 it was *no* problem at all 18:47:48 we talked about how we will work joining SUSE Labs and openSUSE conference 18:47:51 and for somebody from india for example 10€ means a lot. 18:48:03 10€ means a lot for everybody 18:48:12 for me the 10€ idea gives a wrong message 18:48:13 after the sponsor plans about what to offer and how much would cost 18:48:27 drago: for someone from india, the trip is the big cost, not the entry fee for 5 days. again, it was an idea. We could easily give a t-shirt with it etc. 18:48:49 i really like the idea of supporter tickets 18:48:53 all the good events have some 18:49:00 but general admission should be free 18:49:01 supporter tickets +1 18:49:03 this is not a IT conf 18:49:07 I see a better way as calling it a Donation fee which implies it is not required. 18:49:09 this is our project meeting 18:49:24 But the goal here as stated is to secure the intention to show up. So donation or not is moot I guess 18:49:25 suseROCKs: hey, don't steal our fosdem way :) 18:49:30 why would i pay 10€ to see my friends? 18:49:41 suseROCKs: but if there were only 5 of those last year, then that point is moot 18:49:42 henne: You would get a T-Shirt ;) 18:49:58 i don't want a t-shirt. i want to see my friends 18:50:00 yaloki, that's what I'm thinking yes. We might be creating a need where none existed in previous years. 18:50:10 AJaeger: ask you wife if she wants to see you in *more* IT shirts ;-) 18:50:19 hehehe 18:50:22 drago: Art T-Shirts ;) 18:50:27 ok, we'll re-think and re-discuss it 18:50:36 so henne your suggestion is supporter tickets 18:50:38 I'll advocate against it then :) 18:50:39 ok so do we have real arguments for and against the €10? actually, let me ask different. is there any good argument PRO? 18:50:42 * yaloki changed his mind :) 18:50:54 hmm, or decide against 10€ now to move forward? 18:50:58 izabelvalverde: that is the professional entrance of $350 he means and that is fine with all here as it's a choice 18:51:05 drago: well if there are any pro-arguments 18:51:12 the only one I can think of is to make sure ppl show up. 18:51:15 jospoortvliet: if we did _not_ have issues with registered people who didn't show up last year then there is none 18:51:26 seems we didn't 18:51:29 hence there isn't 18:51:30 yes, the meeting room wont be so full %-) 18:51:32 I must add one more argument coming out of my trade: if you pay for it it gives often more satisfaction. 18:51:39 think about how it works with buying a CD or downloading music 18:51:43 jospoortvliet at ML someone suggested $200 18:51:44 jospoortvliet, If its stated as a required fee (the 10 euros) then its a con in my book If its a suggested donation fee then its a PRO in my book 18:51:47 izabelvalverde: yes. i think supporter tickets are great. usually you get some different badge, can put stuff up on a grab table, get free catering and admission to social events etc. 18:51:47 jospoortvliet: man... 18:51:50 but I'm not sure that outweights the other arguments 18:51:51 all depends on how you guys are going to word it. 18:51:54 sorry I don't remember who now 18:52:00 we're not at Mac Donalds, right? 18:52:01 hmm 18:52:08 we're the cool guys 18:52:08 drago: hehe ok 18:52:19 how about this: 10€ is a donation for a pack with a bag, a t-shirt, … 18:52:35 problem is that we won't know how many to manufacture/ship before the conf 18:52:40 it doesnt matter what you call it or what you get for it 18:52:46 either general admission is free or not 18:52:49 henne: donation = not mandatory 18:52:50 why not have a "Donate here!" box 18:52:52 so it looks like there are no pro arguments for asking a small submission fee so let's drop that idea. Having it as optional donation we can do at the entry... let ppl tick a box they want that and tell em to bring 10 bucks. 18:53:01 only if you ticked that box we reserve something for you 18:53:01 henne: hence no general admission fee 18:53:36 ok so 18:53:36 henne thanks to the contribuition here ;-) 18:53:37 yaloki: okay so if you want to sell bags and t-shirts do it :) 18:53:42 - no entrance fee 18:53:53 - we'll discuss whether we'll have a donation box or sth similar 18:53:53 any comments on the "let ppl indicate they donate 10 bucks and get a t-shirt at entry, IF they pay there"? 18:53:57 ok 18:54:01 same as fosdem then 18:54:06 +1 18:54:12 support the event → you get that unique and fine t-shirt that proves you support it 18:54:12 and supporter tickets 18:54:20 henne: yes, that's another topic 18:54:22 for 199€ or something 18:54:23 create the foundation and be ready to receive money at that date ! 18:55:01 guys... let me ask you a question... is the "donation fee" intended to raise a few bucks for us (for possibly next year) If so, does the bribe of a tshirt justify 10? or should it be higher like 15? 18:55:01 henne: we have set a price of $350 or eur 250 18:55:05 anyway, that's details 18:55:14 suseROCKs: details too 18:55:15 yeah. details 18:55:20 but deliver something for it 18:55:21 let the sponsorship team figure the amounts out 18:55:33 and i don't mean a t-shirt :) 18:55:34 yeah, we'll have to find value to give in return 18:55:40 jospoortvliet, it makes a difference. if you intend it as a fundraising then it impacts our support of your plan 18:55:40 catering 18:55:41 henne: no, we thought of two 18:55:42 :D 18:55:57 so come back to us with the details then :-D 18:56:06 on that topic, in case it was not clear, we have a good draft of the sponsorship brochure with reasonable package prices and so on. It needs some design work and review but otherwise we're almost ready to start sending them out. 18:56:08 suseROCKs we didn't mention fundraise 18:56:40 it was mentioned in this discussion here... as donation 18:56:41 suseROCKs: we'll discuss it at CfP what that potential donation should be, is that OK? 18:56:42 anyway... 18:56:51 what about the "get a t-shirt in return idea" coupled with a "self-defined" donation? 18:57:04 CfP here standing for the to-be-created planning team ML :D 18:57:08 back to sponsorship itself... When can we get the details of the plans for that so we can all reach out to our contacts? 18:57:12 i.e. every donor supporting it pays the amount he/she likes? 18:57:14 rhorstkoetter: that would also work 18:57:27 as I said, like fosdem 18:57:35 min 25 EUR and you get a t-shirt 18:57:39 I feel that a better approach than nailing down an exact price 18:57:40 and what do we do with that money? 18:57:43 yaloki: everything is like FOSDEM :-) 18:57:46 september is close 18:58:06 henne: yeah, without a foundation … erm... 18:58:06 suseROCKs soon we have the feedback neeeded and finished we'll make it public here 18:58:15 henne: it won't be a lot on a total budget of 50-100.000 anyway 18:58:19 i mean not how do we want to spend it but how to "book it" 18:58:24 yaloki: I'd even leave out the min border 18:58:27 maybe we can deal something with the zentrifuge foundation? 18:58:32 just my 0.02$ 18:58:36 henne: let AlanClark figure that out pls or we could donate it to zentrifuge :D 18:58:38 henne - I'll figure out how to "book it" 18:58:45 ok 18:58:54 rhorstkoetter: well it works great for fosdem with 25€ ;) 18:58:56 not really donate, but have them managing it until we have the foundation 18:59:12 I believe in a week we'll have the sponsorship brochure ready 18:59:38 are we ready to take money then? 18:59:42 izabelvalverde: cool, keep beating 18:59:43 izabelvalverde, great work! 18:59:50 in a week i mean 18:59:56 * drago applauds at izabelvalverde 19:00:00 drago: yaloki henne let's table that, ppl, AlanClark said he'd take care of the taking of money and the sponsorship ppl come up with a reasonable proposal 19:00:05 this turns into bikeshedding 19:00:07 let's move on 19:00:11 and yes, applause for izabelvalverde 19:00:18 a'ight 19:00:24 izabelvalverde: kudos 19:00:30 yaloki: may work great but production of a t-shirt may cost a few bucks and I'm pretty sure you lose some amount of potential donations with a min border 19:00:31 izabelvalverde, is there another meeting, or discussing in ML? 19:00:32 next topic then... 19:00:38 AlanClark tigerfoot thanks :) 19:00:38 i wonder what this meeting is for... 19:00:50 its apparently not to inform yourself of the conference planing 19:01:08 so what am I'm doing here? 19:01:25 henne, join the committees 19:01:29 henne: you feel lost? We're your family ;-) 19:01:32 AlanClark after your and other review and inputs we can set up if necessary 19:01:46 henne: currently it's a discussion about perfect price discrimination :p 19:01:47 AlanClark: so its only useful for committees? 19:01:54 izabelvalverde, I'll catch up on emails 19:02:04 cool then i can leave :) 19:02:24 ok next topic then is SUSELabs which is added by AJaeger 19:03:06 henne: you want to discuss every bloody detail here? like a minimum donation level? I'm sorry, I thought you disliked bikeshedding as much as anyone? 19:03:13 henne: just be sure we will have enough old Toast please... And I can make donation for that ... 19:03:22 * drago loves to remember the zentralcommittee lead by brezhnev 19:03:39 I just wanted to point that the SUSE Labs join us - and I expect we figure out details in the program committtee 19:03:40 what about SUSElabs? 19:03:48