18:09:00 #startmeeting 18:09:00 Meeting started Wed May 4 18:09:00 2011 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:09:00 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:09:10 #meetingtopic openSUSE Project Meeting 18:09:23 Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 18:09:30 This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 18:09:35 The topics for this meeting are: 18:09:45 1. Old Action Items (30 minutes) 18:09:53 2. Status Reports (15 minutes) 18:10:01 3. permission@ requests (5 minutes) 18:10:07 4. Where do we need to improve? (15 minutes) 18:10:14 5. Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 18:10:29 so the standard agenda! lets roll :) 18:10:37 First let's check where we are. 18:10:50 #topic Old Action Items 18:11:03 Project action items you can find in bugzilla with this link. http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 18:11:44 Bug #685648 18:11:44 openSUSE bug 685648 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "2011 openSUSE Conference Program Committee planning" [Major,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/685648 18:12:08 i think its save to say that this is done right? 18:12:12 henne: sorry im late.. packing for N.A. 18:12:22 bbiab 18:12:33 not sure that we have suseROCKs. But the program committtee has started meeting. 18:12:52 so lets close this one 18:13:08 yes 18:13:30 then we have Bug #682098 18:13:30 openSUSE bug 682098 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Decide how we go forward with contributor gifts." [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/682098 18:13:45 AJaeger_away? 18:13:50 I'd like to focus a major part of the May 18 meeting on oSC 18:13:56 i wonder what that _away in his nick has to say? 8) 18:14:20 the may 18 meeting? 18:14:31 the next project meeting 18:14:38 whatever the date is.... 18:14:46 ah 18:14:57 i thought conference meeting 18:15:19 well the agenda is open... 18:15:49 does anyone else know about the progress on the contributor gifts story? 18:16:13 henne: to be decided by aj only lotsof idea have popped though 18:16:14 no, let's leave this one 18:16:34 k 18:16:56 Bug #685649 18:16:56 openSUSE bug 685649 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "reminder mail text" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/685649 18:17:10 i didn't came around to do this. pushed to next meeting 18:17:45 Bug #676696 18:17:45 openSUSE bug 676696 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Produce KDE promo DVD/CD sleeve" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/676696 18:17:54 and Bug #676695 18:17:54 openSUSE bug 676695 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Produce KDE promo DVD/CD iso" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/676695 18:18:00 are done. i saw the result :) 18:19:09 i'll pack them tomorrow so we can take them to linuxtag 18:19:49 I'm sure you'll get of requests for them. 18:19:50 okay thats it for project AIs 18:19:59 Board action items you can find in bugzilla with this link. http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 18:20:27 yeah i hope this flies! 18:20:53 if it does we should think about other project that could benefit from DVD's like that 18:21:36 I agree. I know that AJ runs into distribution issues and expense. But it's a great idea. 18:22:16 yeah but those issues are more about our dvds right? 18:23:13 not the GNOME or KDE ones 18:23:18 not always. I talked to a Gnome guy at a conference over the weekend. He would love to have had the dvd's that we created, but Gnome hasn't gotten them to him yet. 18:23:41 They're still working on how to distribute them.... 18:23:54 ah yeah well thats their problem right? ;) 18:24:07 anyway. we're getting side-tracked 18:24:16 right - the point is that people do want them :-) 18:24:26 i wonder if anyone other then you is here anyway ;) 18:24:54 okay lets jog on 18:25:07 Board action items you can find in bugzilla with this link. http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 18:25:13 Bug #685654 18:25:13 openSUSE bug 685654 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Webinar/Visit" [Major,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/685654 18:25:44 did that happen in april? 18:26:07 no, mrdocs any update? 18:27:02 no that the merger is complete. I can work with Attachmate to set this up. 18:27:32 I'll work with mrdocs on this action item. 18:27:53 okay 18:28:19 any ETA? 18:28:43 guesstimate :) 18:29:10 Let's put a date for a date of May 12 18:29:18 k 18:29:31 so by May 12 we will have a webinar date 18:29:41 okidoki 18:30:06 Bug #685652 18:30:06 openSUSE bug 685652 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Member Welcome Mail" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/685652 18:30:44 also dropped on my TODO sorry 18:30:50 (AlanClark: again, for the conference last week-end, we can't blame the foundation: we sent the DVDs straight to this person) 18:31:14 vuntz: you can always be blamed. youre vuntz 18:31:54 i'll see what happens with Bug #685651 18:31:54 openSUSE bug 685651 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Membership Process" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/685651 18:31:54 and do it afterwards 18:31:54 * vuntz is happy to be blamed and goes back to cooking (and missing the meeting :/) 18:32:17 i wrote an email to membership approval team about the new process and updated the wiki accordingly 18:32:17 prusnak: did you get around to do that? 18:32:27 so this is done. cool 18:32:39 basically i removed points that mentioned users.o.o and replaced them with counterparts in connect.o.o 18:32:43 look like i have to do mine tomorrow then... 18:33:14 there are some rough points with connect UI but i guess we'll live with that for now 18:33:42 yeah there where rought points in the users UI so... 18:34:12 leaves one AI. Bug #670590 18:34:12 openSUSE bug 670590 in openSUSE.org (Board) "user search for bugzilla" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670590 18:34:28 this one is stalled 18:34:50 yeah lets see what the mergers does with it 18:35:00 i was told to contact bugzilla committee but christiah boltz correctly pointed out that they already agreed with that in 2007 18:35:26 so i asked again to apply this change 18:36:12 prusnak: for the membership process: can we shut down users.o.o then? 18:36:27 good eve 18:36:49 d1g1tltom: how about redirecting? :) 18:37:31 henne: we should do that 18:37:32 d1g1tltom: good idea, redirect seems nice 18:38:04 ok i'll push this and get connect into the bento navigation 18:38:29 cool 18:38:45 oh i missed one AI 18:39:05 Bug #670594 18:39:05 openSUSE bug 670594 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Write an announcement about the new process of creating the foundation." [Critical,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670594 18:39:05 d1g1tltom any guess when you have this complete - I want to try going through the process 18:39:09 but there's quite some noise in the membership team about the complicated process and the split in 2 tools 18:39:33 split in 2 tools? 18:39:44 retro + connect 18:39:48 ah 18:39:58 AlanClark: should be done till end of week, but you can go through the process already now 18:39:59 well it was 2 tools before right? 18:40:27 this sounds like a perfect application for group polls 18:41:15 Can I say something? 18:41:21 try it 18:41:28 :) 18:41:30 Please reply to mails :) 18:41:37 ? 18:41:48 The one about foundation 18:42:01 I expected a reply even it is pushed late 18:42:24 on the foundation list 18:42:29 manugupt1: can you be a little bit more specific? 18:42:36 one sec henne 18:42:56 henne: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-foundation/2011-04/msg00000.html 18:42:57 this one 18:43:02 henne: some people asked about the state of the foundation on opensuse-foundation ML 18:43:12 yep i know 18:43:15 also asked on IRC and I told him to wait for your announcement 18:43:19 manugupt1, I'll go look for the thread and respond to it. 18:43:45 AlanClark: I mean it does not look good honestly 18:44:06 No offence over here 18:44:08 I must have missed it while traveling... 18:44:46 Thanks.. 18:45:19 henne, let me make a couple comments on the Foundation. 18:45:31 shoot 18:45:42 thanks 18:46:54 The merger has slowed the process, particularly the area of the bylaws. We should be able to get that back on track in a couple weeks. But we have 2 items that we should be working on and get finished now. 18:47:28 Those are the Trademark guidelines update and 18:47:35 the Branding guidelines 18:47:54 We also need to get the Strategy document posted and approved by the members. 18:48:06 Guess that makes 3 items.... 18:48:53 I will get us back on track with the bylaws in about 3 weeks. 18:48:55 I have a question about trademark too should I keep it for later or ask now? 18:49:02 so what is blocking the Trademark guidelines? 18:49:07 The goal is to have this all done in time for the openSUSE conference. 18:49:22 Even the foundation? 18:50:09 Let me re-state... The goal is to have the Foundation ready for the 1st members meeting at the openSUSE conference. 18:50:54 Cornelius is heading the updates to the Trademark guidelines. 18:51:23 yes, I know. But AFAIK there is a kind of final version 18:51:34 Don't know that there is a hold up per say 18:51:40 how do we get that in place to be official? 18:51:57 copy the wiki page... 18:52:16 we discussed that on the project list IIRC and it was good so far 18:53:19 So let's have take an AI to get a report from Cornelius at the next project meeting. 18:53:23 yes. no disagreement 18:53:42 ah, sorry, the draft seems not to be on the wiki yet 18:53:52 I'll talk to Cornelius about that 18:53:56 it doesn't have to be 18:54:17 we discussed the changes 18:54:22 we just have to apply them 18:54:24 right? 18:54:31 I'll also have suseROCKS add the Branding guidelines to the marketing team agenda 18:54:33 I am sure cornelius already did 18:55:06 what is hte branding guideline? 18:55:21 http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines&action=history 18:55:28 he can't. its a protected page 18:55:57 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Revised_trademark_guidelines 18:56:28 I guess its a dead lock or, more human, missunderstanding ;-) 18:56:59 The branding guidelines need some updates to cover logo usage, fonts, colors, etc. The work on the updates is underway. We just need to get it completed and then reviewed. 18:57:16 who works on this? cornelius? 18:57:21 but still, if cornelius posts a revised version, how does it become official? 18:57:45 dragotin: we copy it over to openSUSE:Trademark_guidelines 18:57:52 dragotin: what do you expect? goat blood? ;) 18:58:20 hehe, I think the far bigger part concerning the branding is to get that actually done, ie. provide the branding packages 18:58:31 with changed artwork etc. 18:59:07 right. 18:59:23 I already talked to javier about the "unbranded", ie. "based on openSUSE" artwork 18:59:27 so who works on this? cornelius? 18:59:28 he volunteered 18:59:36 and javier 18:59:40 who else? 18:59:41 cornelius owns the document 18:59:51 Who is the actual owner of the Trademarks? Novell, SUSE Products or Attachmate? 18:59:55 javier volunteered to work on the artwork 19:00:20 coolo works with javier to get the branding package mess sorted 19:00:31 dragotin tries to get that going 19:00:34 and so on ;-) 19:01:13 okay then i assign this AI to cornelius 19:01:15 all that happened under the assumption that the recently discussed trademark guideline is ok so far 19:01:35 otherwise we wouldn't need the "based on openSUSE" branding, riight? 19:01:36 sigkill , I'll get with Cornelius to get the ownership statement updated to reflect Attachmate 19:02:18 AlanClark: And after the Foundation comes up, they owns the Trademarks? Need we an update then? 19:03:24 Attachmate will continue to own the trademarks. Ownership doesn't change. The Foundation will continue with the same rights that the openSUSE project has today to license and manage the trademarks as per the trademark guidelines 19:03:54 AlanClark: Thanks for clarification :-) 19:04:24 okay so I see 2 new AI's now 19:04:41 implementing the brainding packages. this one would go to javier 19:04:54 implementing the "based on openSUSE" brainding packages. this one would go to javier 19:05:04 wait - that is a hell lot of work 19:05:12 and applying the changes to the wiki page 19:05:18 that one I can do 19:05:28 we can not simply assign Javier an AI 19:05:30 the wiki page depends on the branding packages 19:05:39 he volunteered to look into that and start 19:05:40 why can't we? 19:05:51 but I think we need more people to make that a success 19:06:10 like? 19:06:24 so maybe somebody here volunteers to pick up parts of the packaging work? 19:06:49 do we need Javier to scope it first or is that something that can be done now? 19:07:17 Its already a lot of work to find out WHAT has to be debranded 19:07:19 javier knows everything about artwork packaging 19:07:31 he does our artwork :) 19:07:55 hi 19:07:58 and he's very competent and can request help if he needs it 19:08:03 the packaging isn't a problem 19:08:24 I wouldn't mind if Robert helps me a lil bit :) 19:09:16 okay but you can drive this :) 19:09:42 ok 19:10:38 okay cool :) 19:10:52 thanks javier 19:11:06 this openSUSE-based artwork reminds me of SUSE Studio 19:11:25 you're welcome :) 19:13:28 so did we capture an AI here? 19:14:10 yes 19:14:38 Bug #691779 19:14:38 openSUSE bug 691779 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Implement "based on openSUSE" branding packages" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/691779 19:14:58 i'll make another on to apply the changes to the wiki page and assign it to me? 19:16:38 which will be blocked by javiers 19:19:40 okay Bug #691780 19:19:40 openSUSE bug 691780 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Apply proposed Trademark Guidelines changes to the wiki page" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/691780 19:20:22 ok, so brighter background + logo with "based on" words 19:20:31 that's the basic idea, no? 19:20:54 AlanClark: so i assign 670594 back to you? 19:21:08 yes 19:21:31 javier: i think so yes 19:21:53 ok 19:22:15 alright. 1,5 hours for action items. not bad.... 19:22:29 next topic then? 19:22:53 next topic 19:23:05 yes 19:23:25 #info we closed 4 action items and opened 2 new ones about the trademark guidelines 19:23:52 #topic Status Reports 19:24:15 * henne throws a banana at bugbot 19:25:07 uhm 19:25:51 did the banana fix it? If it did I'll buy you more bananas 19:26:02 #topic Status Reports 19:26:06 grmlb 19:26:17 Teams and individuals send various status reports around. For instance Coolo sends one for the distribution to opensuse-factory, the OBS team publishes meeting minutes on their mailinglist, the boosters their "What are the boosters up to" blogposts. Are there any questions regarding those or do we need to discuss anything in detail? 19:26:37 Or does anyone wants to give a live status report of something? 19:27:19 just a short one about gsoc 19:27:27 the final number of slots we were given is 16 19:27:45 mentors are already communicating with students and you can see first posts on planetsuse and project ML 19:28:23 okay cool :) 19:29:06 way exciting to see this begin. 19:29:09 anyone else? 19:29:29 anything else? 19:29:51 okay then lets move on 19:29:56 #info no questions arose. pavol gave a quick update on GSoC. 19:30:08 #topic permission@ requests 19:30:26 there is only one request. the brewery request 19:30:29 This should be a quick one. 19:30:48 At last meeting, a discussion arose regarging adding language 19:31:00 language? 19:31:04 to the approval, stating that permission would need to be granted yearly 19:31:19 I took the AI to talk to Klaas 19:31:23 I did that. 19:31:59 Bottom line is that the Brewery will not do openSUSE brew if we put in such a stipulation 19:32:13 well I also don't see a reason to do that 19:32:33 My recommendation is that we approve the brewery without such a stipulation 19:32:39 we do that so we can make sure that the people not connected to us or the project can't go wild forever right? 19:32:40 so we need a board vote. 19:32:51 do we have quorum? 19:33:07 or should I join as mrdocs3? :) 19:33:13 we have clause in there that stipulates that we can terminate their usage 19:33:58 sounds reasonable 19:33:59 yes sure and the yearly reneweal we need for people we don't know 19:34:07 i know the brewer 19:34:12 klaas knows the brewer 19:34:19 we work with him together 19:34:31 so no need to. lets vote 19:34:41 * henne throws a pineapple at mrdocs 19:34:43 and most important: the Old Toad is not important for him. Only for us ;-) 19:35:08 right - we are his main audience. Realistically he's brewing for us. 19:35:29 er - for those close enough to the brewery 19:35:58 okay lets vote 19:35:59 but Old Toad is currently no business case for him, because its not much 19:36:12 so he does it because he likes the idea. Not for business 19:36:14 Alan votest yes 19:36:30 +1 19:36:45 * prusnak votes yes 19:36:51 mrdocs: now is the time to come back 19:37:31 ok, if mrdocs isn't here, I'll gather their votes off line. 19:37:47 Let's not drag this through another 2 weeks waiting for a meeting. 19:38:02 please 19:38:29 great 19:38:31 I'll close this offline. let's move to the next topic. 19:38:44 #info we agreed that we don't need a yearly renweal and had 3 yes votes for the brewery request 19:38:56 #undo 19:38:56 Removing item from minutes: 19:39:05 #info we agreed that we don't need a yearly renweal and had 3 yes votes for the brewery request. Alan gathers the rest offline 19:39:20 offline=on board mailing list 19:39:29 #topic Where do we need to improve? 19:39:42 This topic is about quick, small, actionable problems we have. Stuff we can solve between this and the next meeting. 19:39:59 Everybody can add ideas to openFATE 19:40:06 see http://bit.ly/opensuse_improve 19:40:33 there are no new things in the queue 19:40:50 does anyone has an idea here? :) 19:41:27 All the status reports to be published on news.o.o?? 19:41:38 How does it sound? 19:42:07 great. go out and make it happen :) 19:42:36 Ok.. I cannot do that alone but then lets put some ideas I have 19:42:55 like what are boosters upto can be moved to news.o.o 19:43:01 please elaborate 19:43:04 And I am trying the same for ambassadors 19:43:24 Whatever we are doing is either on ML or personal blog 19:43:36 yes 19:43:40 Like blogs like what are the boosters upto 19:43:52 is on your blog should be moved to news.o.o so that more people know 19:44:14 Ambassadors what they are doing should also be on news.o.o so that more people know 19:44:16 well not in the form it is now 19:44:24 Why? 19:44:35 its too technical for our general news outlet 19:44:47 and i don't want to write it for such an wide audience 19:44:48 henne: Still its great to let people know 19:45:00 well it goes onto the planet so... 19:45:17 Still news has a wider audience the media watches over the news 19:45:44 yes but my blog posts about what we do are not written for that audience 19:45:52 they are written for our contributors 19:46:14 i, for instance, never explain technical details 19:46:31 you know what I mean? 19:46:47 Well yes but again I think its better to do this way 19:46:47 this task is not simply about changing blogs 19:47:12 We represent a community that is technically active :) 19:47:52 Also I have noticed due to the increasing news we are gaining more visbility 19:47:56 that doesn't mean that we should write nonesense (to them) to our audience 19:48:16 you know what I mean? 19:48:35 Yes.. I understand 19:48:51 But I will sugest trying it for atleast one post and look at the reception 19:48:53 all the status reports I know of need to be reworked to fit onto news.o.o 19:49:02 thats an ongoing major task 19:49:31 ok.. 19:50:12 but please do it :) 19:50:23 please please pretty please with sugar on top 19:50:49 henne: Will try in holidays not before that ok.. 19:51:08 manugupt1: sure. whenever you are ready 19:51:19 manugupt1: I'm guessing that your suggestion was for the Ambassador reports I'd like to see us get to the point where upcoming Ambassador activities/events are placed on news as well 19:51:39 again a lot of ongoing work... 19:51:46 AlanClark: yes I am already making a news item 19:52:50 AlanClark: I have a few things from Ambassdor side as well 19:52:59 good! 19:53:01 Lots of events have taken place and we conducted a survey 19:53:17 manugupt1: if you could make that a series of whats happening in the project this would be great 19:53:33 henne: I can do that about what I know :) 19:53:42 manugupt1: do tell ;) 19:53:57 henne: I can tell from ambsadors side right now 19:54:01 let me brief 19:54:04 manugupt1: it just has to be monthly or whatever fits your schedule 19:54:15 ok.. 19:54:25 In the last 2 months 20 ambassdors approx joined 19:54:28 manugupt1: just do it [tm] 19:54:47 henne: WIP for ambassadors wating for news team to approve 19:55:05 http://news.opensuse.org/?p=8735&preview=true 19:55:19 youre waiting for a review? 19:55:30 henne: yes 19:55:40 * henne looks at it 19:56:08 okay next topic then 19:56:29 yes 19:56:30 as we don't have any small, actionable solutions to problems 19:57:25 Ok.. its QA then 19:57:32 #info there where no new ideas in openFATE and none in the channel. We discussed a bit about what we can do with the Status Reports on news.o.o but decided that this is ongoing work. Manu is going to look into that 19:57:46 #topic Questions & Answers 19:57:52 Question to be asked 19:57:59 Can I? 19:58:08 sure 19:58:16 Ok.. Now that the merger has taken place 19:58:30 #info there were no questions on the meeting page in the wiki 19:59:17 So all the things sponsored will have SUSE on them or Attachmate since there are 4 different business units 19:59:17 * manugupt1 prefers SUSE 19:59:18 like sponsored by SUSE 19:59:35 on tshirts and stuff like that my quesiton is over 20:00:09 For Linux it will be SUSE. So if you have a penquin with Novell written on it. It's a museum piece. 20:00:31 Good Awesome I dont have any :) plus great marketing too 20:00:42 I believe for OBS too 20:01:10 AlanClark: what about the existing materials we will still use them right? 20:01:36 yes 20:01:47 Good.. Thanks all queries have been anwered 20:02:11 anything else we need to discuss? 20:02:37 Who's our moderator next time? 20:02:55 peter 20:03:07 right? :) 20:03:12 sold to peter ;-) 20:03:57 Okay that's it then. If you have more, don't hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 20:04:04 #info The next project meeting will be in two weeks. Same channel (#opensuse-project), same time (18:00 UTC). 20:04:16 #undo 20:04:16 Removing item from minutes: 20:04:55 henne, thanks for running the meeting. 20:04:57 #info manugupt1 asked about the sponsor signs we sometimes uses on stuff that is payed from Novell. AlanClark said that will change to SUSE. 20:05:01 #info The next project meeting will be in two weeks. Same channel (#opensuse-project), same time (18:00 UTC). 20:05:09 Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! 20:05:13 #endmeeting