19:00:48 #startmeeting 19:00:48 Meeting started Wed Mar 23 19:00:48 2011 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:48 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:14 #meetingtopic openSUSE Project Meeting (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting) 19:01:25 Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 19:01:32 This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 19:01:40 The topics for this meeting are: 19:01:50 1. Old Action Items (30 minutes) 19:02:02 2. Status Reports (15 minutes) 19:02:12 3. openSUSE conference(10 minutes) 19:02:22 4. permission@ requests (10 minutes) 19:02:32 5. Where do we need to improve? (15 minutes) 19:02:40 6. Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 19:03:02 thats a loooooong agenda 19:03:14 lets burn through it :) 19:03:22 hmm actually that's 10 minutes less than 2 hours. What do we do for the remaining 10 minutes? :-D 19:03:36 make fun of your dancing skills? ;) 19:03:53 hey I took classes recently... nothing left to mock! :-) 19:03:58 let's make sure we have enough board members here for voting. If we don't then we can agenda #4 19:04:02 its the ten minutes you need to the bar ;-) 19:04:16 ok moving along 19:04:20 * suseROCKs is here! 19:04:36 AlanClark: i count 3 so far so yes 19:04:48 * mrdocs waves 19:04:50 4 19:04:55 heya 19:04:56 * cartman ready 19:04:59 * mrdocs skip out for dinner and return 19:05:23 #topic Old Action Items 19:05:23 we have quorum 19:05:31 First, let's check where we are 19:05:41 Project action items you can find in bugzilla with this link. http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 19:05:55 * suseROCKs opens link 19:06:20 * mrdocs2 joins from downstairs 19:06:31 bug #676693 19:06:31 openSUSE bug 676693 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Produce GNOME 3 promo DVD/CD iso" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/676693 19:06:41 mrdocs just cloned himself 19:06:47 vuntz: where are we with that? 19:07:38 I see the LinuxTag in may as first opportunity to spread them 19:07:51 earlier actually 19:07:56 thats a little less then 2 months from now 19:07:58 LFNW at end of April if we get this produced in time 19:08:09 50 days to Φοσσψομμ 19:08:19 fosscomm 19:08:44 Φοσσψομμ sounds cooler even if I can't pronounce it 19:09:04 it is not even Greek so... 19:09:21 this is about pure gnome3 DVDs guys 19:09:32 Are we going to get any Gnome 3 DVD? 19:09:32 gnome3 is scheduled for mid april AFAIR 19:09:51 henne - is this about the iso or producing a DVD? 19:10:11 The DVD was discussed at yesterday's marketing meeting. 19:10:13 thought it was scheduled for April 3... 19:10:19 (the GNOME 3 release) 19:10:25 AlanClark: this AI is about the iso 19:10:37 suseROCKs: april 6th 19:10:43 production takes around 2 weeks 19:10:52 if everything works well 19:11:00 ok so we might be able to get it shipped in time for April 30th LFNW if God is on our side 19:11:10 thats way too early 19:11:36 so we are talking about mid-May 19:11:37 In any case, we'll be there in strength so they'll still get the actual DVDs from us instead 19:11:50 even if gnome3 is released on the 6th we need another week or so for the ISO 19:12:05 6 of April are we talking about? 19:12:24 Then God is not on our side this time, and we move on... :-D 19:12:45 suseROCKs: We will not ship the GNOME DVD to our events. 19:12:53 suseROCKs: The GNOME foundation will... 19:13:08 So, you won't get it for LFNW at all from openSUSE 19:13:09 yes like we discussed last meeting... 19:13:29 still i bet GNOME is on LFNW too and could use DVDs 19:13:38 henne: agreed 19:13:41 but anyway. its not very realistic to have it there 19:13:45 that's what I meant. i wasn't saying we get and distribute them at LFNW 19:13:58 so lets make the deadline mid may okay? 19:14:02 but as pointed out, the date makes the possibility moot, so move on 19:14:24 vuntz: if thats too early for you two tell us in the next meeting 19:15:34 henne, vuntz: We have budget this quarter, so we have to have the bill by end of april! 19:15:48 henne, why not post a question in the bugzilla asking what is the expeted ETA? Then the respected parties will be notified the question exists. (Since it is Froczat's bug assignment) 19:15:51 henne: So, no long delay - or no DVD - your choice. 19:16:25 AJaeger: my choice? 19:16:28 our choice! 19:16:41 anyway. ive updated the AI as vuntz is obviously not there 19:16:49 henne: Yeah ;) 19:16:54 Bug #676695 19:16:54 openSUSE bug 676695 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Produce KDE promo DVD/CD iso" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/676695 19:17:12 AJaeger: small but remarkable difference ;-) 19:17:45 Bille is also not here 19:17:50 so no update on that 19:18:09 he told me today that its on his todo 19:18:11 henne: they were working on dvd artwork afaik 19:18:11 I got a little confused yesterday. Is this going to include 4.6 or 4.7? 19:18:37 siddharths has finished a draft for the KDE promo dvd artwork 19:18:56 javier: oh cool 19:19:34 next? 19:19:38 okay 19:19:39 :) 19:19:53 Bug #667631 19:19:53 openSUSE bug 667631 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "sourcedvd@suse.de does not work" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/667631 19:20:13 who handles source dvd shipment 19:20:15 AJaeger? 19:20:53 what exactly is sourcedvd shipment? I'm more ignorant than usual today 19:21:14 suseROCKs: you can request a source dvd from us 19:21:36 what types of folks request them and for what purposes? 19:21:40 suseROCKs: for primary costs 19:22:00 suseROCKs: its a GPL requirement 19:22:09 ok 19:22:15 suseROCKs: no need to get into if we need it or not 19:22:28 AJaeger are you handling those shipments? 19:22:38 do we get a lot of requests for them? Just curious 19:22:42 dunno 19:22:46 i just see that AI 19:23:00 you can eat everything, but you can't know everything dude :P 19:23:24 words of wisdom 19:23:27 that's why I ask instead of knowing everything :-D but anyway, curiousity can be fulfilled at another time... Move along 19:23:46 well okay. i just let them point it to admin@opensuse.org for now 19:23:48 I guess its around 1 or two per year, IIRC from michl 19:23:50 a DVD with the source packages, I presume 19:24:08 as we are obliged to ship them when requested, as of the GPL 19:24:24 * suseROCKs adds 6 minutes of dance time since we saved time on this topic. 19:24:35 \o\ |o| /o/ 19:25:10 next topic, henne please 19:25:31 okay requested 19:25:43 next are the board action items 19:25:51 oh... 19:25:52 Board action items you can find in bugzilla with this link. http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 19:25:58 * suseROCKs removes the 6 minute gain 19:26:14 * AlanClark laughs 19:26:20 Bug #670739 19:26:20 openSUSE bug 670739 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Setup a meeting to discuss communication with open-slx" [Critical,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670739 19:26:26 AlanClark: status of this? 19:26:36 henne: Sorry, was out for a few minutes. 19:26:46 suseROCKS and I are working on this one. 19:26:53 * AJaeger handles source DVD shipments, the address was broken but should be fixed since a week or so. 19:27:06 Leave this one on the list for today. 19:27:07 We get less than a dozen a year 19:27:17 AJaeger: yeah probably with your family or other unimportant things. shame on you! 8) 19:27:52 * suseROCKs sings Hall & Oates' "Family man" for AJaeger 19:28:09 Bug #670594 19:28:09 openSUSE bug 670594 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Write an announcement about the new process of creating the foundation." [Critical,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670594 19:28:37 We've had a few contributions to the text. 19:28:51 Some critiques as well. 19:28:54 brb... - instead of commenting 19:29:20 contributions and critiques from whom? 19:29:53 I'd have to go back to the mailing list to pull the names 19:30:08 ah, okay 19:30:17 if it was on ML then it's ok 19:30:52 I'll make a final call on the foundation@ mailing list and we can send this one out first of next week. 19:31:45 I also want to make a final call on the "Charter and Purpose" section as well. 19:31:50 which mailinglist was the feedbacko n? 19:32:03 * henne missed it 19:32:08 I thought it came in on foundation@ 19:32:18 I'd have to go look. 19:32:46 the last mail on that one is from february 19:33:00 anyway 19:33:01 for me the last mail on foundation arrived on feb. 6th 19:33:03 must've been on project 19:33:28 althought it's all about the GSOC last weeks 19:33:38 The critique was that some of the benefits are to vague 19:34:18 (aka the descriptions of benefits are to vagues) 19:34:34 I'll send out a final call.... let's move on 19:34:43 can we maybe pipe this through the news team? 19:35:00 so they make an exciting news article out of what you have proposed? 19:35:05 don't see why not 19:35:30 ok 19:36:05 * mrdocs is back after record fast French meal 19:36:32 fries take that long to eat? 19:36:44 If we are sending it to the news team I want you make sure you review it 19:36:53 henne: its not the fries, its the other 6 courses :) 19:37:16 AlanClark: just write a mail to news@opensuse.org and tell them you would like to have a final review 19:37:45 AlanClark: its nothing unusual 19:37:57 ok - what I was meaning is to have the board members to be sure to look at it 19:38:49 I want 1 edit from each board member ;-) 19:39:07 * mrdocs bookmarks 19:39:14 * suseROCKs volunteers to edit the period at the end of the article 19:39:24 well this goes way beyond the board so.... 19:39:56 that's why the final clal 19:40:00 s/clal/call 19:40:08 sure 19:40:35 move on 19:40:42 ok -- we killed suseROCKS dance time 19:40:57 yup 19:41:03 and AlanClark witnessed my Geeko Dance! 19:41:07 Bug #670589 19:41:07 openSUSE bug 670589 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Review the openSUSE Strategy Document" [Critical,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670589 19:41:21 that's mine 19:41:27 ETA end of week 19:41:34 yes. have you finished your review? 19:41:49 Alan and I need to carve out some time this week to do review 19:41:51 no 19:41:53 but 19:42:10 okay. ETA is now the 27th 19:42:13 I *do* want to get it done by end of week.. 19:42:20 seems feasible 19:42:25 i really really really would appreciate if this is the last extension... 19:42:34 can you guys carve out a time like... now... since we're already mid-week? Get that time carved worked out 19:43:04 i would suggest to just accept it in case we'd need another extension 19:43:34 I'd also like to recommend that if we don't get this done by X date that it stands approved 19:44:06 OK 19:44:26 then lets do this: set a firm deadline for one week 19:44:37 everyone OK with this ? 19:44:51 * henne is 19:44:56 +1 19:44:58 of course i am 19:45:01 +1 19:45:38 next 19:45:39 okay. 27th it is then 19:45:53 Bug #670590 19:45:53 openSUSE bug 670590 in openSUSE.org (Board) "user search for bugzilla" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670590 19:46:17 it still slips on my TODO list 19:46:24 henne: correction 30th is one week 19:46:27 and I would like to ask if someone can take this over? 19:46:58 henne, what can be done to take over (from a non-Novell with limited access standpoint) 19:47:13 What's the issue with user search? The bug doesn't qwuite detail the problem. 19:47:41 Dominian, you can't search for users and assign bugs to them unless you're authorized by Novell to do so 19:47:42 isn't this blocked because of internal policies? 19:47:44 Or is this in reference to the search box at the top of opensuse.org? 19:47:47 suseROCKs: you just read the couple of bugreports and open another one to get that topic straightened out 19:47:58 Dominian: Yo cannot search for "Andreas Jaeger" to assign a bug to me if you don't know my email address 19:48:05 AJaeger: ah 19:48:42 its just a matter of diligence 19:49:08 this AI references a bug which in turn references another couple of bugs 19:49:24 but if its an internal policy, then doesn't it need someone with internal access to strongly make the case to open it up? Seems someone in my position can't help take over this bug? 19:49:40 nope 19:49:42 henne: i can take it over 19:49:54 its not about policy 19:49:59 * dragotin don't think its realistic to get that changed 19:50:01 well prusnak taking over removes any misguided concerns I have :-D 19:50:02 read the bugs before you assume anything 19:50:18 I guess some Bugzilla hacking required? 19:50:24 i'll try bug i am not very optimistic 19:50:29 on 2009-12-17 cboltz wrote that it's working... 19:50:37 cartman: no, this is purely about social engineering 19:50:45 d1g1tltom: yes. this just needs some sorting out 19:50:51 prusnak: how exactly? 19:50:53 henne: Do you know who's from OPS in the Bugzilla Steering Committee? I would push it through that person. 19:51:19 AJaeger: nope and they would tell you to open up a report anyway... 19:51:21 AJaeger: do you want to be the person? I *think* I am 19:51:33 i think susanne is 19:51:39 dragotin: No, I won't volunteer ;) 19:51:53 wait, didn't prusnak just now volunteer? 19:51:55 henne: its me :-( 19:52:06 dragotin, so can you help? 19:52:09 I think i saw suseROCKs volunteer 19:52:13 suseROCKs: yes he did 19:52:23 I backed out quickly as I regained my senses :-) 19:52:28 :) 19:52:41 dragotin has more force wrt to bugzilla ;-) 19:52:51 d1g1tltom: :) 19:52:55 AJaeger: I don't know, but can check with prusnak 19:52:56 "leverage" :) 19:53:11 Don't fear perl :P 19:53:26 * mrdocs sends dragotin an Old Toad for volunteering :) 19:53:32 okay thats it for action items 19:53:34 henne: So, I propose prusnak drives with help from dragotin ;) 19:53:53 ok, i'll assign the issue to me, try to talk with bugzilla folks via bugzilla 19:53:56 AJaeger: only if you take the workers council part 19:53:59 prusnak takes it over and can do whatever the heck he wants :) 19:54:06 and if that doesn't work out i'll talk with klaas 19:54:20 what has the workers council to do with that? 19:54:30 * cartman is confused 19:54:30 "workers council"... "Bugzilla Leadership Team"... sheesh fancy names! 19:54:41 backseat driver eh? 19:54:42 http://www.etoyworld.com/images/catalog/thumb/back.gif 19:55:09 really 19:55:12 "Anna Annoy" is a nice name. 19:55:21 i'm sure prusnak can work this out 19:55:27 me too 19:55:30 ok moving on 19:55:42 I have a minor question before this topic is closed... 19:56:04 How can I get myself auto-cc'ed to the project bug list? (i.e. any new bugs assigned to that particular list I get a cc?) 19:56:21 #info not much progress. but no wonder with the very busy weeks we just had. We only extended the ETA on a couple of AI's and re-assigned some 19:56:42 suseROCKs: what is the project bug list? 19:56:56 this one https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?classification=openSUSE&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&component=Action%20Items&product=openSUSE.org 19:57:05 the first set of bug list you presented in this meeting 19:57:16 suseROCKs: Let me check and get back to you off-list 19:57:23 AJaeger, thanks 19:57:44 suseROCKs: You can't. 19:57:45 okay next topic then 19:57:55 Henne, give me a sec. 19:58:05 But we have Adrian as default assignee for "Action Items". 19:58:19 We could create a mailing list and subscribe anybody that's interested on that list... 19:58:32 another mailing list... 19:58:33 * Dominian dies 19:58:34 project-buglist@opensuse.org? 19:58:55 suseROCKs: or you can add URLs to bookmarks :) 19:58:57 If google has a limit on the amount of filters you can use, I'm sure going to find out with all these mailing lists ;) 19:59:03 Dominian, well for some of us, that list of bugs is quite relevant and we should be aware when new things are added. I don't want to miss boats 19:59:05 or you can have RSS 19:59:08 suseROCKs: not sure whether that name works but yeah, something like that. 19:59:17 suseROCKs: yeah I was joking, to me its a good idea 19:59:17 or we can make you the default assignee 19:59:25 mailing list cross-posting Party 19:59:31 argh.. 19:59:36 or the default QA person ;) 19:59:38 warlordfff, no, it would be a read-only list 19:59:39 I'd rather have a new mailing list than more cross-posting 19:59:41 can we please continue? 19:59:49 henne: Yes, continue. 20:00:03 #topic Status Reports (15 minutes) 20:00:23 Teams and individuals send various status reports around. 20:00:31 Coolo sends one for the distribution, the OBS team publishes meeting minutes, the boosters their "What are the boosters up to" blogposts for instance. 20:00:37 Are there any questions regarding those or do we need to discuss anything in detail? 20:01:21 don't think so. If there's any detail issue, it should be taken directly with the team 20:01:26 Or does anyone wants to give a live status report of something? :) 20:01:41 I'll jump in with a quick status report from Marketing 20:01:48 prusnak: whats the status of GSoC? :) 20:01:57 oh sorry. suseROCKs first 20:02:11 Last week we had a post-mortem 11.4 release team meeting. We came up with some good ideas and observations and we believe the next release we'll be doing stronger with a more detailed roadmap henceforth 20:02:23 GSoC status: we have couple of students and mentors writing to the -project mailing list 20:02:42 prusnak: a question 20:02:43 but we cannot use the GSoC user interface because Google is doing some changes 20:02:45 prusnak: let bryen go first please 20:02:47 prusnak: do we have mentors only list yet? 20:02:55 ah 20:03:01 suseROCKs first! 20:03:11 :-P 20:03:19 ok one more statement and then prusnak can butt in 20:03:42 we're also looking at analyzing the "subset" teams, such as Ambassadors, news team, etc. to see what can be specifically improved in those areas. 20:03:54 The End 20:03:59 suseROCKs: what does a more detailed roadmap mean? for what? 20:04:07 the distro? 20:04:31 henne, scheduling the tasks in a more advanced timeframe for marketing planning. Such as for example, working on product highlights much earlier than we did this time. 20:04:53 people nearly killed themselves working sleepless nights trying to rush things out the door this time around. We'll float next time :-) 20:05:11 ah okay. cool 20:05:36 prusnak? 20:05:45 GSoC status: we have couple of students and mentors writing to the -project mailing list 20:05:50 but we cannot use the GSoC user interface because Google is doing some changes 20:06:09 Melange? 20:06:13 yes melange 20:06:16 prusnak: are mentors supposed to join to the -project mailing list? Is there a mentors only list? 20:06:40 mentors-only ML exists - gsoc-mentors@o.o 20:06:54 prusnak: what do we say to people(mentor and students) that ask us about GSoC? 20:06:57 me and vuntz are admins, so we'll approve subscription requests 20:07:01 but please this is for mentor coordination. not for chatting before you are a mentor 20:07:02 prusnak: alright, thanks! 20:07:09 right? 20:07:14 henne: right 20:07:16 yes, /me is a mentor 20:07:35 * Guest33559 loves all 20:07:37 cartman: you're a mentor when your student gets picked :) 20:07:43 henne: *sob* 20:07:51 so for now mentors and students are encouraged to communicate via -project ML, or IRC or their IMs 20:08:10 did we already match a couple? 20:08:54 some of the pairs are on a good route :) 20:08:56 can we not be so stringent on the "you're not a mentor until student gets picked" thing? I'm aware of at least one instance last time around where student didn't get picked and yet was still motivated to do some work 20:09:11 let's not make it so stringent as to demotivate potential contribution regardless of acceptance 20:09:13 suseROCKs: that rarely happens, yeah 20:09:27 No 20:09:29 suseROCKs: henne just wanted to say there's no point to get on this gsoc-mentors list RIGHT NOW 20:09:40 ok 20:09:51 and there is no use to use it as THE GSoC list 20:10:00 I did not get that 20:10:02 if you have made a couple with your student then you can apply 20:10:11 and we'll add you to list with vuntz 20:10:24 I did not get that 2 20:10:28 warlordfff: you did not get what? :) 20:10:36 for everything else we have -project ML 20:10:58 you mean a mentor find some students for a project and come to you and tell you that 20:11:00 ? 20:11:10 we made a team 20:11:21 warlordfff: discussions about GSoC, about the projects and the matchmaking should happen on opensuse-project 20:11:26 you come to us (me and vuntz) and tell us 20:11:52 our IDEA is X and it is added to the wiki, A is the MENTOR, B is the STUDENT 20:12:01 and then we'll add A to the gsoc-mentors list 20:12:16 oh ok 20:12:17 :-D 20:12:40 how are we so far? 20:12:53 do we have enough students and mentors? 20:12:55 how A communicates with B is your business, but mentors and students should use -project as matchmaking list :) 20:13:40 i see at least 7 "matchmakingthreads 20:13:48 this is turning into a lovefest not a codefest :-D 20:13:48 we should create more detailed project pages for projects where there was interest on the list i think 20:13:50 i see at least 7 "matchmaking" GSoC threads on -project for now 20:13:54 so a students says in Project mailing list I am in for x project? 20:14:06 and looking for mentor? 20:14:11 yes 20:14:18 cool thanks 20:14:24 or you can approach mentor directly if there is one listed on the ideas page 20:15:00 also for those of us who hang out here on IRC if a student comes in saying "I have this project and I'm looking for a mentor" try to offer help in matching them with a good mentor that fits the skillset needed 20:15:23 be helpful! Don't just say "Go to the mailing list" Make them feel warm and welcome here because we want these students to stay here long after GSoC is over 20:15:42 warlordfff: discussions among the mentors should happen on gsoc-mentors 20:15:43 everything clear now? :) 20:15:49 warlordfff: yes, and they should create a detailed application so we can choose 20:15:51 υεσ 20:15:58 yes 20:16:03 thanks 20:16:25 okay anything else about GSoC? 20:16:54 #info no questions where asked about the status report. suseROCKs gave a us a live report about the marketing 11.4 post mortem and prusnak about the status of Google Summer of Code 2011 20:16:59 next topic then 20:17:00 * suseROCKs will refrain from wisecracks for once 20:17:13 #topic openSUSE conference(10 minutes) 20:17:30 AJaeger: thats yours I presume? 20:17:49 henne: Yeah, it is. 20:17:51 one of those AJaeger's just disappeared... hmm 20:18:17 AJ I threw this one on the agenda for ya :-) 20:18:35 I just needed a few seconds to boot up ;) 20:19:11 With michl gone as master of the conference organisation, we need to figure out again how to organize one ;) 20:19:28 meeeeeetings 20:19:37 So, I met last week with dragotin and jjung and started writing up a wiki page - some kind of brainstorm - on what needs to be done. 20:19:42 The page is: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_Planning_2011 20:19:48 Henne, an #info please ;) 20:20:10 I'm currently scouting for events in the Nuernberg area. 20:20:21 ftr there was some discussion already on cfp@o.o but it was mostly unorganized 20:20:35 discussion together with wikipage is much better! 20:20:38 so we're definitely sticking with NUE? 20:20:42 The SUSE Labs conference would like to join us, so we will have a slightly bigger event. 20:21:01 What is the Labs Conf ? 20:21:02 Hello everybody! I am interested in participating in GSoC this year, but I do not have a lot of free time available. Is it "okay" to select a project that I could complete in 16 hours a week? 20:21:05 suseROCKs: Nuernberg is my first choice. If somebody wants to look elsewhere, go ahead... 20:21:17 mrdocs: openSUSE Labs conference, usually happens in praque 20:21:20 prague :D 20:21:21 mrdocs: SUSE Labs are our kernel, samba etc. hackers. 20:21:28 I could negotiate time off from work, but I would like to ask for input here first... 20:21:29 jospoortvliet, Praha 20:21:29 cool 20:21:43 They have their own conference - and merging would get some nice technical tals 20:21:47 is there a site big enough to do both in Prague ? 20:21:49 cbh2000: we're in the middle of a meeting. would you mind taking your question to the mailinglist? :) 20:21:53 OK 20:21:58 cbh2000: sorry 20:22:01 cbh2000: opensuse-project@opensuse.org 20:22:03 mrdocs: There is - but it needs organizing. 20:22:06 thanks 20:22:22