19:00:48 <henne> #startmeeting 19:00:48 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Mar 23 19:00:48 2011 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:48 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:14 <henne> #meetingtopic openSUSE Project Meeting (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Project_meeting) 19:01:25 <henne> Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 19:01:32 <henne> This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 19:01:40 <henne> The topics for this meeting are: 19:01:50 <henne> 1. Old Action Items (30 minutes) 19:02:02 <henne> 2. Status Reports (15 minutes) 19:02:12 <henne> 3. openSUSE conference(10 minutes) 19:02:22 <henne> 4. permission@ requests (10 minutes) 19:02:32 <henne> 5. Where do we need to improve? (15 minutes) 19:02:40 <henne> 6. Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 19:03:02 <henne> thats a loooooong agenda 19:03:14 <henne> lets burn through it :) 19:03:22 <suseROCKs> hmm actually that's 10 minutes less than 2 hours. What do we do for the remaining 10 minutes? :-D 19:03:36 <henne> make fun of your dancing skills? ;) 19:03:53 <suseROCKs> hey I took classes recently... nothing left to mock! :-) 19:03:58 <AlanClark> let's make sure we have enough board members here for voting. If we don't then we can agenda #4 19:04:02 <warlordfff> its the ten minutes you need to the bar ;-) 19:04:16 <suseROCKs> ok moving along 19:04:20 * suseROCKs is here! 19:04:36 <henne> AlanClark: i count 3 so far so yes 19:04:48 * mrdocs waves 19:04:50 <henne> 4 19:04:55 <dragotin> heya 19:04:56 * cartman ready 19:04:59 * mrdocs skip out for dinner and return 19:05:23 <henne> #topic Old Action Items 19:05:23 <AlanClark> we have quorum 19:05:31 <henne> First, let's check where we are 19:05:41 <henne> Project action items you can find in bugzilla with this link. http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 19:05:55 * suseROCKs opens link 19:06:20 * mrdocs2 joins from downstairs 19:06:31 <henne> bug #676693 19:06:31 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 676693 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Produce GNOME 3 promo DVD/CD iso" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/676693 19:06:41 <AlanClark> mrdocs just cloned himself 19:06:47 <henne> vuntz: where are we with that? 19:07:38 <henne> I see the LinuxTag in may as first opportunity to spread them 19:07:51 <suseROCKs> earlier actually 19:07:56 <henne> thats a little less then 2 months from now 19:07:58 <suseROCKs> LFNW at end of April if we get this produced in time 19:08:09 <warlordfff> 50 days to Φοσσψομμ 19:08:19 <warlordfff> fosscomm 19:08:44 <suseROCKs> Φοσσψομμ sounds cooler even if I can't pronounce it 19:09:04 <warlordfff> it is not even Greek so... 19:09:21 <henne> this is about pure gnome3 DVDs guys 19:09:32 <warlordfff> Are we going to get any Gnome 3 DVD? 19:09:32 <henne> gnome3 is scheduled for mid april AFAIR 19:09:51 <AlanClark> henne - is this about the iso or producing a DVD? 19:10:11 <AlanClark> The DVD was discussed at yesterday's marketing meeting. 19:10:13 <suseROCKs> thought it was scheduled for April 3... 19:10:19 <suseROCKs> (the GNOME 3 release) 19:10:25 <henne> AlanClark: this AI is about the iso 19:10:37 <henne> suseROCKs: april 6th 19:10:43 <dragotin> production takes around 2 weeks 19:10:52 <dragotin> if everything works well 19:11:00 <suseROCKs> ok so we might be able to get it shipped in time for April 30th LFNW if God is on our side 19:11:10 <henne> thats way too early 19:11:36 <warlordfff> so we are talking about mid-May 19:11:37 <suseROCKs> In any case, we'll be there in strength so they'll still get the actual DVDs from us instead 19:11:50 <henne> even if gnome3 is released on the 6th we need another week or so for the ISO 19:12:05 <cartman> 6 of April are we talking about? 19:12:24 <suseROCKs> Then God is not on our side this time, and we move on... :-D 19:12:45 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: We will not ship the GNOME DVD to our events. 19:12:53 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: The GNOME foundation will... 19:13:08 <AJaeger> So, you won't get it for LFNW at all from openSUSE 19:13:09 <henne> yes like we discussed last meeting... 19:13:29 <henne> still i bet GNOME is on LFNW too and could use DVDs 19:13:38 <AJaeger> henne: agreed 19:13:41 <henne> but anyway. its not very realistic to have it there 19:13:45 <suseROCKs> that's what I meant. i wasn't saying we get and distribute them at LFNW 19:13:58 <henne> so lets make the deadline mid may okay? 19:14:02 <suseROCKs> but as pointed out, the date makes the possibility moot, so move on 19:14:24 <henne> vuntz: if thats too early for you two tell us in the next meeting 19:15:34 <AJaeger> henne, vuntz: We have budget this quarter, so we have to have the bill by end of april! 19:15:48 <suseROCKs> henne, why not post a question in the bugzilla asking what is the expeted ETA? Then the respected parties will be notified the question exists. (Since it is Froczat's bug assignment) 19:15:51 <AJaeger> henne: So, no long delay - or no DVD - your choice. 19:16:25 <henne> AJaeger: my choice? 19:16:28 <henne> our choice! 19:16:41 <henne> anyway. ive updated the AI as vuntz is obviously not there 19:16:49 <AJaeger> henne: Yeah ;) 19:16:54 <henne> Bug #676695 19:16:54 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 676695 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Produce KDE promo DVD/CD iso" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/676695 19:17:12 <dragotin> AJaeger: small but remarkable difference ;-) 19:17:45 <henne> Bille is also not here 19:17:50 <henne> so no update on that 19:18:09 <dragotin> he told me today that its on his todo 19:18:11 <cartman> henne: they were working on dvd artwork afaik 19:18:11 <suseROCKs> I got a little confused yesterday. Is this going to include 4.6 or 4.7? 19:18:37 <javier> siddharths has finished a draft for the KDE promo dvd artwork 19:18:56 <henne> javier: oh cool 19:19:34 <suseROCKs> next? 19:19:38 <henne> okay 19:19:39 <javier> :) 19:19:53 <henne> Bug #667631 19:19:53 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 667631 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "sourcedvd@suse.de does not work" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/667631 19:20:13 <henne> who handles source dvd shipment 19:20:15 <henne> AJaeger? 19:20:53 <suseROCKs> what exactly is sourcedvd shipment? I'm more ignorant than usual today 19:21:14 <henne> suseROCKs: you can request a source dvd from us 19:21:36 <suseROCKs> what types of folks request them and for what purposes? 19:21:40 <henne> suseROCKs: for primary costs 19:22:00 <henne> suseROCKs: its a GPL requirement 19:22:09 <suseROCKs> ok 19:22:15 <henne> suseROCKs: no need to get into if we need it or not 19:22:28 <henne> AJaeger are you handling those shipments? 19:22:38 <suseROCKs> do we get a lot of requests for them? Just curious 19:22:42 <henne> dunno 19:22:46 <henne> i just see that AI 19:23:00 <henne> you can eat everything, but you can't know everything dude :P 19:23:24 <cartman> words of wisdom 19:23:27 <suseROCKs> that's why I ask instead of knowing everything :-D but anyway, curiousity can be fulfilled at another time... Move along 19:23:46 <henne> well okay. i just let them point it to admin@opensuse.org for now 19:23:48 <dragotin> I guess its around 1 or two per year, IIRC from michl 19:23:50 <yaloki> a DVD with the source packages, I presume 19:24:08 <yaloki> as we are obliged to ship them when requested, as of the GPL 19:24:24 * suseROCKs adds 6 minutes of dance time since we saved time on this topic. 19:24:35 <yaloki> \o\ |o| /o/ 19:25:10 <suseROCKs> next topic, henne please 19:25:31 <henne> okay requested 19:25:43 <henne> next are the board action items 19:25:51 <suseROCKs> oh... 19:25:52 <henne> Board action items you can find in bugzilla with this link. http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 19:25:58 * suseROCKs removes the 6 minute gain 19:26:14 * AlanClark laughs 19:26:20 <henne> Bug #670739 19:26:20 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670739 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Setup a meeting to discuss communication with open-slx" [Critical,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670739 19:26:26 <henne> AlanClark: status of this? 19:26:36 <AJaeger> henne: Sorry, was out for a few minutes. 19:26:46 <AlanClark> suseROCKS and I are working on this one. 19:26:53 * AJaeger handles source DVD shipments, the address was broken but should be fixed since a week or so. 19:27:06 <AlanClark> Leave this one on the list for today. 19:27:07 <AJaeger> We get less than a dozen a year 19:27:17 <henne> AJaeger: yeah probably with your family or other unimportant things. shame on you! 8) 19:27:52 * suseROCKs sings Hall & Oates' "Family man" for AJaeger 19:28:09 <henne> Bug #670594 19:28:09 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670594 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Write an announcement about the new process of creating the foundation." [Critical,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670594 19:28:37 <AlanClark> We've had a few contributions to the text. 19:28:51 <AlanClark> Some critiques as well. 19:28:54 <AJaeger> brb... - instead of commenting 19:29:20 <prusnak> contributions and critiques from whom? 19:29:53 <AlanClark> I'd have to go back to the mailing list to pull the names 19:30:08 <prusnak> ah, okay 19:30:17 <prusnak> if it was on ML then it's ok 19:30:52 <AlanClark> I'll make a final call on the foundation@ mailing list and we can send this one out first of next week. 19:31:45 <AlanClark> I also want to make a final call on the "Charter and Purpose" section as well. 19:31:50 <henne> which mailinglist was the feedbacko n? 19:32:03 * henne missed it 19:32:08 <AlanClark> I thought it came in on foundation@ 19:32:18 <AlanClark> I'd have to go look. 19:32:46 <henne> the last mail on that one is from february 19:33:00 <henne> anyway 19:33:01 <dragotin> for me the last mail on foundation arrived on feb. 6th 19:33:03 <prusnak> must've been on project 19:33:28 <prusnak> althought it's all about the GSOC last weeks 19:33:38 <AlanClark> The critique was that some of the benefits are to vague 19:34:18 <AlanClark> (aka the descriptions of benefits are to vagues) 19:34:34 <AlanClark> I'll send out a final call.... let's move on 19:34:43 <henne> can we maybe pipe this through the news team? 19:35:00 <henne> so they make an exciting news article out of what you have proposed? 19:35:05 <suseROCKs> don't see why not 19:35:30 <AlanClark> ok 19:36:05 * mrdocs is back after record fast French meal 19:36:32 <henne> fries take that long to eat? 19:36:44 <AlanClark> If we are sending it to the news team I want you make sure you review it 19:36:53 <mrdocs> henne: its not the fries, its the other 6 courses :) 19:37:16 <henne> AlanClark: just write a mail to news@opensuse.org and tell them you would like to have a final review 19:37:45 <henne> AlanClark: its nothing unusual 19:37:57 <AlanClark> ok - what I was meaning is to have the board members to be sure to look at it 19:38:49 <AlanClark> I want 1 edit from each board member ;-) 19:39:07 * mrdocs bookmarks 19:39:14 * suseROCKs volunteers to edit the period at the end of the article 19:39:24 <henne> well this goes way beyond the board so.... 19:39:56 <AlanClark> that's why the final clal 19:40:00 <AlanClark> s/clal/call 19:40:08 <henne> sure 19:40:35 <suseROCKs> move on 19:40:42 <AlanClark> ok -- we killed suseROCKS dance time 19:40:57 <suseROCKs> yup 19:41:03 <suseROCKs> and AlanClark witnessed my Geeko Dance! 19:41:07 <henne> Bug #670589 19:41:07 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670589 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Review the openSUSE Strategy Document" [Critical,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670589 19:41:21 <mrdocs> that's mine 19:41:27 <mrdocs> ETA end of week 19:41:34 <henne> yes. have you finished your review? 19:41:49 <mrdocs> Alan and I need to carve out some time this week to do review 19:41:51 <mrdocs> no 19:41:53 <mrdocs> but 19:42:10 <henne> okay. ETA is now the 27th 19:42:13 <mrdocs> I *do* want to get it done by end of week.. 19:42:20 <mrdocs> seems feasible 19:42:25 <henne> i really really really would appreciate if this is the last extension... 19:42:34 <suseROCKs> can you guys carve out a time like... now... since we're already mid-week? Get that time carved worked out 19:43:04 <prusnak> i would suggest to just accept it in case we'd need another extension 19:43:34 <AlanClark> I'd also like to recommend that if we don't get this done by X date that it stands approved 19:44:06 <mrdocs> OK 19:44:26 <mrdocs> then lets do this: set a firm deadline for one week 19:44:37 <mrdocs> everyone OK with this ? 19:44:51 * henne is 19:44:56 <AlanClark> +1 19:44:58 <prusnak> of course i am 19:45:01 <suseROCKs> +1 19:45:38 <suseROCKs> next 19:45:39 <henne> okay. 27th it is then 19:45:53 <henne> Bug #670590 19:45:53 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670590 in openSUSE.org (Board) "user search for bugzilla" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670590 19:46:17 <henne> it still slips on my TODO list 19:46:24 <mrdocs> henne: correction 30th is one week 19:46:27 <henne> and I would like to ask if someone can take this over? 19:46:58 <suseROCKs> henne, what can be done to take over (from a non-Novell with limited access standpoint) 19:47:13 <Dominian> What's the issue with user search? The bug doesn't qwuite detail the problem. 19:47:41 <suseROCKs> Dominian, you can't search for users and assign bugs to them unless you're authorized by Novell to do so 19:47:42 <d1g1tltom> isn't this blocked because of internal policies? 19:47:44 <Dominian> Or is this in reference to the search box at the top of opensuse.org? 19:47:47 <henne> suseROCKs: you just read the couple of bugreports and open another one to get that topic straightened out 19:47:58 <AJaeger> Dominian: Yo cannot search for "Andreas Jaeger" to assign a bug to me if you don't know my email address 19:48:05 <Dominian> AJaeger: ah 19:48:42 <henne> its just a matter of diligence 19:49:08 <henne> this AI references a bug which in turn references another couple of bugs 19:49:24 <suseROCKs> but if its an internal policy, then doesn't it need someone with internal access to strongly make the case to open it up? Seems someone in my position can't help take over this bug? 19:49:40 <henne> nope 19:49:42 <prusnak> henne: i can take it over 19:49:54 <henne> its not about policy 19:49:59 * dragotin don't think its realistic to get that changed 19:50:01 <suseROCKs> well prusnak taking over removes any misguided concerns I have :-D 19:50:02 <henne> read the bugs before you assume anything 19:50:18 <cartman> I guess some Bugzilla hacking required? 19:50:24 <prusnak> i'll try bug i am not very optimistic 19:50:29 <d1g1tltom> on 2009-12-17 cboltz wrote that it's working... 19:50:37 <prusnak> cartman: no, this is purely about social engineering 19:50:45 <henne> d1g1tltom: yes. this just needs some sorting out 19:50:51 <cartman> prusnak: how exactly? 19:50:53 <AJaeger> henne: Do you know who's from OPS in the Bugzilla Steering Committee? I would push it through that person. 19:51:19 <henne> AJaeger: nope and they would tell you to open up a report anyway... 19:51:21 <dragotin> AJaeger: do you want to be the person? I *think* I am 19:51:33 <henne> i think susanne is 19:51:39 <AJaeger> dragotin: No, I won't volunteer ;) 19:51:53 <suseROCKs> wait, didn't prusnak just now volunteer? 19:51:55 <dragotin> henne: its me :-( 19:52:06 <AJaeger> dragotin, so can you help? 19:52:09 <Dominian> I think i saw suseROCKs volunteer 19:52:13 <henne> suseROCKs: yes he did 19:52:23 <suseROCKs> I backed out quickly as I regained my senses :-) 19:52:28 <Dominian> :) 19:52:41 <d1g1tltom> dragotin has more force wrt to bugzilla ;-) 19:52:51 <yaloki> d1g1tltom: :) 19:52:55 <dragotin> AJaeger: I don't know, but can check with prusnak 19:52:56 <yaloki> "leverage" :) 19:53:11 <cartman> Don't fear perl :P 19:53:26 * mrdocs sends dragotin an Old Toad for volunteering :) 19:53:32 <henne> okay thats it for action items 19:53:34 <AJaeger> henne: So, I propose prusnak drives with help from dragotin ;) 19:53:53 <prusnak> ok, i'll assign the issue to me, try to talk with bugzilla folks via bugzilla 19:53:56 <dragotin> AJaeger: only if you take the workers council part 19:53:59 <henne> prusnak takes it over and can do whatever the heck he wants :) 19:54:06 <prusnak> and if that doesn't work out i'll talk with klaas 19:54:20 <henne> what has the workers council to do with that? 19:54:30 * cartman is confused 19:54:30 <suseROCKs> "workers council"... "Bugzilla Leadership Team"... sheesh fancy names! 19:54:41 <Dominian> backseat driver eh? 19:54:42 <Dominian> http://www.etoyworld.com/images/catalog/thumb/back.gif 19:55:09 <henne> really 19:55:12 <dragotin> "Anna Annoy" is a nice name. 19:55:21 <henne> i'm sure prusnak can work this out 19:55:27 <dragotin> me too 19:55:30 <suseROCKs> ok moving on 19:55:42 <suseROCKs> I have a minor question before this topic is closed... 19:56:04 <suseROCKs> How can I get myself auto-cc'ed to the project bug list? (i.e. any new bugs assigned to that particular list I get a cc?) 19:56:21 <henne> #info not much progress. but no wonder with the very busy weeks we just had. We only extended the ETA on a couple of AI's and re-assigned some 19:56:42 <henne> suseROCKs: what is the project bug list? 19:56:56 <suseROCKs> this one https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?classification=openSUSE&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&component=Action%20Items&product=openSUSE.org 19:57:05 <suseROCKs> the first set of bug list you presented in this meeting 19:57:16 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: Let me check and get back to you off-list 19:57:23 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, thanks 19:57:44 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: You can't. 19:57:45 <henne> okay next topic then 19:57:55 <AJaeger> Henne, give me a sec. 19:58:05 <AJaeger> But we have Adrian as default assignee for "Action Items". 19:58:19 <AJaeger> We could create a mailing list and subscribe anybody that's interested on that list... 19:58:32 <Dominian> another mailing list... 19:58:33 * Dominian dies 19:58:34 <suseROCKs> project-buglist@opensuse.org? 19:58:55 <prusnak> suseROCKs: or you can add URLs to bookmarks :) 19:58:57 <Dominian> If google has a limit on the amount of filters you can use, I'm sure going to find out with all these mailing lists ;) 19:59:03 <suseROCKs> Dominian, well for some of us, that list of bugs is quite relevant and we should be aware when new things are added. I don't want to miss boats 19:59:05 <henne> or you can have RSS 19:59:08 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: not sure whether that name works but yeah, something like that. 19:59:17 <Dominian> suseROCKs: yeah I was joking, to me its a good idea 19:59:17 <henne> or we can make you the default assignee 19:59:25 <warlordfff> mailing list cross-posting Party 19:59:31 <Dominian> argh.. 19:59:36 <AJaeger> or the default QA person ;) 19:59:38 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, no, it would be a read-only list 19:59:39 <Dominian> I'd rather have a new mailing list than more cross-posting 19:59:41 <henne> can we please continue? 19:59:49 <AJaeger> henne: Yes, continue. 20:00:03 <henne> #topic Status Reports (15 minutes) 20:00:23 <henne> Teams and individuals send various status reports around. 20:00:31 <henne> Coolo sends one for the distribution, the OBS team publishes meeting minutes, the boosters their "What are the boosters up to" blogposts for instance. 20:00:37 <henne> Are there any questions regarding those or do we need to discuss anything in detail? 20:01:21 <suseROCKs> don't think so. If there's any detail issue, it should be taken directly with the team 20:01:26 <henne> Or does anyone wants to give a live status report of something? :) 20:01:41 <suseROCKs> I'll jump in with a quick status report from Marketing 20:01:48 <henne> prusnak: whats the status of GSoC? :) 20:01:57 <henne> oh sorry. suseROCKs first 20:02:11 <suseROCKs> Last week we had a post-mortem 11.4 release team meeting. We came up with some good ideas and observations and we believe the next release we'll be doing stronger with a more detailed roadmap henceforth 20:02:23 <prusnak> GSoC status: we have couple of students and mentors writing to the -project mailing list 20:02:42 <warlordfff> prusnak: a question 20:02:43 <prusnak> but we cannot use the GSoC user interface because Google is doing some changes 20:02:45 <henne> prusnak: let bryen go first please 20:02:47 <cartman> prusnak: do we have mentors only list yet? 20:02:55 <henne> ah 20:03:01 <henne> suseROCKs first! 20:03:11 <suseROCKs> :-P 20:03:19 <suseROCKs> ok one more statement and then prusnak can butt in 20:03:42 <suseROCKs> we're also looking at analyzing the "subset" teams, such as Ambassadors, news team, etc. to see what can be specifically improved in those areas. 20:03:54 <suseROCKs> The End 20:03:59 <henne> suseROCKs: what does a more detailed roadmap mean? for what? 20:04:07 <henne> the distro? 20:04:31 <suseROCKs> henne, scheduling the tasks in a more advanced timeframe for marketing planning. Such as for example, working on product highlights much earlier than we did this time. 20:04:53 <suseROCKs> people nearly killed themselves working sleepless nights trying to rush things out the door this time around. We'll float next time :-) 20:05:11 <henne> ah okay. cool 20:05:36 <henne> prusnak? 20:05:45 <prusnak> GSoC status: we have couple of students and mentors writing to the -project mailing list 20:05:50 <prusnak> but we cannot use the GSoC user interface because Google is doing some changes 20:06:09 <suseROCKs> Melange? 20:06:13 <prusnak> yes melange 20:06:16 <cartman> prusnak: are mentors supposed to join to the -project mailing list? Is there a mentors only list? 20:06:40 <prusnak> mentors-only ML exists - gsoc-mentors@o.o 20:06:54 <warlordfff> prusnak: what do we say to people(mentor and students) that ask us about GSoC? 20:06:57 <prusnak> me and vuntz are admins, so we'll approve subscription requests 20:07:01 <henne> but please this is for mentor coordination. not for chatting before you are a mentor 20:07:02 <cartman> prusnak: alright, thanks! 20:07:09 <henne> right? 20:07:14 <prusnak> henne: right 20:07:16 <cartman> yes, /me is a mentor 20:07:35 * Guest33559 loves all 20:07:37 <henne> cartman: you're a mentor when your student gets picked :) 20:07:43 <cartman> henne: *sob* 20:07:51 <prusnak> so for now mentors and students are encouraged to communicate via -project ML, or IRC or their IMs 20:08:10 <henne> did we already match a couple? 20:08:54 <prusnak> some of the pairs are on a good route :) 20:08:56 <suseROCKs> can we not be so stringent on the "you're not a mentor until student gets picked" thing? I'm aware of at least one instance last time around where student didn't get picked and yet was still motivated to do some work 20:09:11 <suseROCKs> let's not make it so stringent as to demotivate potential contribution regardless of acceptance 20:09:13 <cartman> suseROCKs: that rarely happens, yeah 20:09:27 <manugupt1> No 20:09:29 <prusnak> suseROCKs: henne just wanted to say there's no point to get on this gsoc-mentors list RIGHT NOW 20:09:40 <suseROCKs> ok 20:09:51 <henne> and there is no use to use it as THE GSoC list 20:10:00 <warlordfff> I did not get that 20:10:02 <prusnak> if you have made a couple with your student then you can apply 20:10:11 <prusnak> and we'll add you to list with vuntz 20:10:24 <warlordfff> I did not get that 2 20:10:28 <henne> warlordfff: you did not get what? :) 20:10:36 <prusnak> for everything else we have -project ML 20:10:58 <warlordfff> you mean a mentor find some students for a project and come to you and tell you that 20:11:00 <warlordfff> ? 20:11:10 <warlordfff> we made a team 20:11:21 <henne> warlordfff: discussions about GSoC, about the projects and the matchmaking should happen on opensuse-project 20:11:26 <prusnak> you come to us (me and vuntz) and tell us 20:11:52 <prusnak> our IDEA is X and it is added to the wiki, A is the MENTOR, B is the STUDENT 20:12:01 <prusnak> and then we'll add A to the gsoc-mentors list 20:12:16 <warlordfff> oh ok 20:12:17 <suseROCKs> :-D 20:12:40 <warlordfff> how are we so far? 20:12:53 <warlordfff> do we have enough students and mentors? 20:12:55 <prusnak> how A communicates with B is your business, but mentors and students should use -project as matchmaking list :) 20:13:40 <prusnak> i see at least 7 "matchmakingthreads 20:13:48 <suseROCKs> this is turning into a lovefest not a codefest :-D 20:13:48 <d1g1tltom> we should create more detailed project pages for projects where there was interest on the list i think 20:13:50 <prusnak> i see at least 7 "matchmaking" GSoC threads on -project for now 20:13:54 <warlordfff> so a students says in Project mailing list I am in for x project? 20:14:06 <warlordfff> and looking for mentor? 20:14:11 <prusnak> yes 20:14:18 <warlordfff> cool thanks 20:14:24 <prusnak> or you can approach mentor directly if there is one listed on the ideas page 20:15:00 <suseROCKs> also for those of us who hang out here on IRC if a student comes in saying "I have this project and I'm looking for a mentor" try to offer help in matching them with a good mentor that fits the skillset needed 20:15:23 <suseROCKs> be helpful! Don't just say "Go to the mailing list" Make them feel warm and welcome here because we want these students to stay here long after GSoC is over 20:15:42 <henne> warlordfff: discussions among the mentors should happen on gsoc-mentors 20:15:43 <henne> everything clear now? :) 20:15:49 <d1g1tltom> warlordfff: yes, and they should create a detailed application so we can choose 20:15:51 <warlordfff> υεσ 20:15:58 <warlordfff> yes 20:16:03 <warlordfff> thanks 20:16:25 <henne> okay anything else about GSoC? 20:16:54 <henne> #info no questions where asked about the status report. suseROCKs gave a us a live report about the marketing 11.4 post mortem and prusnak about the status of Google Summer of Code 2011 20:16:59 <henne> next topic then 20:17:00 * suseROCKs will refrain from wisecracks for once 20:17:13 <henne> #topic openSUSE conference(10 minutes) 20:17:30 <henne> AJaeger: thats yours I presume? 20:17:49 <AJaeger> henne: Yeah, it is. 20:17:51 <suseROCKs> one of those AJaeger's just disappeared... hmm 20:18:17 <AlanClark> AJ I threw this one on the agenda for ya :-) 20:18:35 <AJaeger> I just needed a few seconds to boot up ;) 20:19:11 <AJaeger> With michl gone as master of the conference organisation, we need to figure out again how to organize one ;) 20:19:28 <jospoortvliet> meeeeeetings 20:19:37 <AJaeger> So, I met last week with dragotin and jjung and started writing up a wiki page - some kind of brainstorm - on what needs to be done. 20:19:42 <AJaeger> The page is: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Conference_Planning_2011 20:19:48 <AJaeger> Henne, an #info please ;) 20:20:10 <AJaeger> I'm currently scouting for events in the Nuernberg area. 20:20:21 <prusnak> ftr there was some discussion already on cfp@o.o but it was mostly unorganized 20:20:35 <prusnak> discussion together with wikipage is much better! 20:20:38 <suseROCKs> so we're definitely sticking with NUE? 20:20:42 <AJaeger> The SUSE Labs conference would like to join us, so we will have a slightly bigger event. 20:21:01 <mrdocs> What is the Labs Conf ? 20:21:02 <cbh2000> Hello everybody! I am interested in participating in GSoC this year, but I do not have a lot of free time available. Is it "okay" to select a project that I could complete in 16 hours a week? 20:21:05 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: Nuernberg is my first choice. If somebody wants to look elsewhere, go ahead... 20:21:17 <jospoortvliet> mrdocs: openSUSE Labs conference, usually happens in praque 20:21:20 <jospoortvliet> prague :D 20:21:21 <AJaeger> mrdocs: SUSE Labs are our kernel, samba etc. hackers. 20:21:28 <cbh2000> I could negotiate time off from work, but I would like to ask for input here first... 20:21:29 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, Praha 20:21:29 <mrdocs> cool 20:21:43 <AJaeger> They have their own conference - and merging would get some nice technical tals 20:21:47 <mrdocs> is there a site big enough to do both in Prague ? 20:21:49 <henne> cbh2000: we're in the middle of a meeting. would you mind taking your question to the mailinglist? :) 20:21:53 <cbh2000> OK 20:21:58 <henne> cbh2000: sorry 20:22:01 <prusnak> cbh2000: opensuse-project@opensuse.org 20:22:03 <AJaeger> mrdocs: There is - but it needs organizing. 20:22:06 <cbh2000> thanks 20:22:22 <prusnak> most of the people I talked to prefer prague to nuernberg 20:22:27 <AJaeger> The advantage of NUE is the closeness to the office. 20:22:33 <mrdocs> my thinking is two foled 20:22:34 <cartman> prusnak: don't talk to people in .cz :P 20:22:37 <AJaeger> prusnak: Yeah, you talk to people living in Prague ;) 20:22:39 <mrdocs> fold even 20:22:43 <prusnak> AJaeger: no i don't 20:22:50 <mrdocs> 1. more direct air service 20:22:54 <suseROCKs> but the advantage of Prague is the famous prusnak BBQ Party in his back yard 20:22:58 <mrdocs> 2. better food 20:23:00 <prusnak> i didn't talk to prague folks yet 20:23:17 <mrdocs> 3. .cz is important community for openSUSE 20:23:26 <prusnak> but most of the people i talked at OSC10 wanted to go to prague instead 20:23:28 <mrdocs> cons ? 20:23:30 <AJaeger> prusnak: If you want to scout in parallel, go for it - and then let's see who finds the better venue 20:23:38 <prusnak> (because they've seen literally everything in NUE already) 20:23:44 <AJaeger> mrdocs: 1. I can cycle to the conference 20:23:48 <AJaeger> mrdocs: 2. bettter beer 20:23:51 <suseROCKs> mrdocs, the one thing that we have to take into consideration is all the people in NUE that we have to ship when if we stay in NUE we don't have to ship them. But yes NUE is a PITA to travel to 20:23:52 <cartman> 2. döner is good 20:23:58 <AJaeger> mrdocs: 3. I understand the language 20:23:59 <henne> guys 20:23:59 <oy> mrdocs: too much culture in praha ;-) 20:24:05 <prusnak> the problem is we need to persuade msrex who's paying afterall, right ... 20:24:16 <henne> can we please discuss this on a mailinglist or something? 20:24:17 * javier hasn't seen literally everything in NUE already :P 20:24:24 <dragotin> come on, do you really think you have realised whats behind conference organisation? 20:24:29 * warlordfff likes beers in both countries the same 20:24:38 <cartman> dragotin: do tell 20:24:43 <AJaeger> prusnak: The problem is to find a good location and time this year! 20:24:45 <suseROCKs> dont get him started :-) 20:24:50 <AJaeger> We're quite late for this. 20:24:54 <prusnak> i know 20:25:00 <oy> javier: true as well 20:25:05 <mrdocs> cartman: lots! and i did this professionally a while back 20:25:08 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, ok so let's figure out when to boot up the conference committee and let's get started. I want in this time! 20:25:08 <prusnak> because we kept ignoring the issue for various reasons 20:25:10 <dragotin> thats the prob: We're quite late and the conference calendar is full already 20:25:21 <javier> I didn't have time to walk around in NUE 20:25:34 <henne> guys 20:25:38 <AJaeger> A first call to action: Please enhance the wiki page I mentioned and feel free to volunteer already. 20:25:47 <manugupt1> India :) 20:25:48 <henne> you will never argue out which city it should be in 20:25:48 <suseROCKs> let's decide now to set a time/eta for starting the planning meeting 20:25:56 <warlordfff> Guys one thing 20:26:05 <warlordfff> about the conference 20:26:05 <henne> want to influence this? join the organization 20:26:07 <cartman> lets do the implementation in the wiki/mailing list. 20:26:11 <henne> otherwise just shut the fuck up :) 20:26:15 <warlordfff> tell us ASAP 20:26:24 <dragotin> henne: tststs strong language 20:26:28 * suseROCKs gasps at henne 20:26:36 <javier> I suppose the easiest thing would be having oSC 11 in the same place as last year 20:26:50 <henne> dragotin: make a note in the class register ;) 20:26:57 <AJaeger> I hope to have in the next two weeks a proposal for NUE. 20:27:11 <suseROCKs> ok ok no more logistics discussion here. Henne has a point and we have more topics in the agenda. Vote on ETA to start up committee and move on! 20:27:19 <dragotin> henne: write 10 times: I will never say naughty things again and will greet drago every morning friendly. 20:27:19 <warlordfff> we need to book tickets 20:27:20 <henne> and do it! 20:27:40 <AJaeger> So, who wants to help me choosing location and date? 20:27:46 * mrdocs will 20:27:50 <AJaeger> Or wants to search in other cities? 20:28:10 <AJaeger> mrdocs: Add yourself please to the "Nuernberg Location Search team" 20:28:16 * suseROCKs has 4 vacant bedrooms if you want the conference in my house in Chicago 20:28:18 <mrdocs> next year i want to propose Montreal 20:28:28 <suseROCKs> but I digress... we discuss at Conference meeting! 20:28:29 <mrdocs> i have the venue already 20:28:32 <mrdocs> yes 20:28:34 <jospoortvliet> Feel free to put arguments on the wiki for Prague AND volunteer to help out organize it there. We can present it to msrex and if he's convinced he'll pay for doing it there. If you find someone else who can put 50.000 on the table for Prague we don't need msrex and can do it there anyway. I'm ok with both as I personally prefer prague anyway 20:28:48 <prusnak> jospoortvliet: the problem is we ignored the issue for so long 20:28:55 <jospoortvliet> prusnak: yup I know 20:28:55 <prusnak> it might be impossible to find something at this time of the year 20:29:14 <prusnak> especially with all these linux foundation meetings in summer 20:29:20 <AJaeger> prusnak: Let the two of us talk tomorrow and see what you can do in Prague, ok? 20:29:26 <AlanClark> Ok - Aj's put out the call, let's move on to the next topics 20:29:29 <AJaeger> prusnak: Not summer, just all of October ;) 20:29:46 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: doing it end of August would be nice, better weather and before ultra-busy conference season 20:29:51 <mrdocs> AJaeger: done 20:29:52 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: but it has to be possible :D 20:29:58 <prusnak> AJaeger: i'll talk to alena, vojtech and maybe others what do they think about it 20:30:06 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, quit feeding the topic. it should be discussed in conf meeting :-P 20:30:08 <henne> okay 20:30:12 <prusnak> there's no point to have a meeting without having anything concrete in our hands i guess 20:30:15 <mrdocs> next ? 20:30:16 <henne> ill move on to the next topic now 20:30:19 <AJaeger> prusnak: Ok - and then get back to me (or all of us) please 20:30:25 <suseROCKs> viva henne! 20:30:48 <henne> #topic permission@ requests (10 minutes) 20:30:59 <henne> This is a topic for the openSUSE Board 20:31:11 <henne> Several requests for use of the trademarks have been received through permission@. The board has needs to vote 20:31:49 <suseROCKs> can we list them one by one now and vote and tick off to the next one? 20:31:50 <henne> we kinda lost our ways with that one 20:31:55 * mrdocs returns in 3 mins 20:32:05 <henne> prusnak used to transfer them into retro 20:32:09 <henne> and then we voted there 20:32:15 <henne> but we never did anymore 20:32:25 <henne> do we want to vote here now? 20:32:33 <henne> (and in the future) 20:32:37 <AlanClark> most of these we commented but didn't have a clear vote 20:32:58 <suseROCKs> reto is unfortunately not a comfortable site for me to navigate to 20:33:05 <henne> yes. comments are not neccesarry 20:33:11 <suseROCKs> so let's just go ahead and tick off the list here and now and if we can vote on each one, let's do it and move on 20:33:22 <henne> except for helping you fellow board members in their vote 20:33:33 <henne> okay wonderful 20:33:37 <suseROCKs> remember the reward... the more minutes left over in the 2 hour period of meeting, the more dancing I get to do. INCENTIVE! 20:34:02 * henne swallows the puke again 20:34:24 <henne> okay so the first one is the Greek openSUSE community asking to use the domain http://opensuse.gr 20:34:27 <AlanClark> henne - why not put that into suseROCKS hat 20:34:40 <AlanClark> +1 20:34:41 <suseROCKs> now that's just mean 20:34:51 <suseROCKs> +1 20:34:55 <henne> +1 20:35:10 <suseROCKs> c'mon one more vote! 20:35:12 <prusnak> +1 20:35:13 <henne> quorum 20:35:15 <suseROCKs> the ayes have it 20:35:18 <suseROCKs> OPA!!!!!! 20:35:22 <warlordfff> thankz 20:35:40 <henne> suseROCKs: whats with your opa? 20:35:46 <Dominian> +1 (not that it matters) 20:35:56 <suseROCKs> henne, greek expression. 20:35:58 <efagra> it's greek 20:35:58 * Dominian just got done reading scroll back. 20:36:02 <henne> Dominian: it doesnt :) only board members can vote 20:36:08 <Dominian> yeah yeah 20:36:22 <mrdocs> +1 Geek domains 20:36:26 <mrdocs> Greek even 20:36:36 <henne> okay next one is this: request to use opensuse within the domain name opensuse.by 20:36:49 <AlanClark> +1 20:36:51 <suseROCKs> ahh a domain named for me 20:36:56 <suseROCKs> definitely +1 for that! 20:37:02 <prusnak> +1+1 20:37:15 <AJaeger> just one question: Can we revoke these approvals if opensuse.XX turns evil? 20:37:19 <mrdocs> from whom ? 20:37:19 <henne> they also use http://community.opensuse.by/ 20:37:25 <henne> which seems to be a forum 20:37:28 <AlanClark> AJaeger - yes 20:37:38 <mrdocs> + for .by 20:37:58 <suseROCKs> I feel like you're all voting for me (sniff sniff) 20:38:00 <AJaeger> AlanClark: Glad to hear, that makes approvals a bit easier ;) 20:38:19 <henne> is that .by russian? 20:38:23 <henne> anaumov? 20:38:25 <prusnak> belarus 20:38:29 <AlanClark> belarus 20:38:35 <suseROCKs> .by is my initials 20:38:57 <Dominian> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus 20:39:03 <mrdocs> next ? 20:39:27 <henne> #agreed opensuse.gr approved 20:39:31 <henne> #agreed opensuse.by approved 20:39:54 <henne> next one is: The request from Gerry Gavigan 20:40:05 <AlanClark> you skipped on 20:40:08 <AlanClark> s/on/one 20:40:15 <henne> ups 20:40:29 <henne> so next is: The request from Gabor Kum to use the trademark on items at his Hungarian Linux t-shirt shop 20:40:35 <AlanClark> -1 20:40:48 <mrdocs> -1 i see no benefit 20:40:50 <prusnak> +1 20:40:52 <henne> +1 20:40:54 <Dominian> does any of those proceeds come back to the openSUSE project? 20:40:56 <suseROCKs> may I ask why not? 20:40:58 <mrdocs> and the site was down when i looked 20:41:13 <prusnak> Dominian: not until we have a foundation :) 20:41:25 <Dominian> Then, if I were a board member, I would go with the nays on this one. 20:41:36 <suseROCKs> Dominian, we have no method of a) receiving and b) accounting to make sure our "royalties" are given 20:41:41 <AJaeger> Ask him to send us 500 before you approve ;) 20:41:47 <Dominian> AJaeger: +1 20:41:48 <Dominian> hehe 20:41:52 <AJaeger> I mean 500 free t-shirts ;) 20:42:01 <warlordfff> AJaeger: only 500? 20:42:03 <henne> can we stick to the topic please? 20:42:08 <Dominian> a trademark should benefit all parties tha tuse it.. not just one. 20:42:11 <AlanClark> suseROCKS: They are selling with no proposal to benefit the project 20:42:18 <henne> suseROCKs wanted to know why AlanClark and mrdocs voted - 20:42:18 <AJaeger> warlordfff: For you I should have said 2000 ;) 20:42:32 <warlordfff> yeah ;-p 20:42:34 <mrdocs> exactly.. 20:42:43 <mrdocs> suseROCKs: ^^ 20:42:45 <prusnak> suseROCKs: are you going to vote? 20:42:50 <suseROCKs> well we've approved stuff like that before. Our goal was never to expect some kind of monetary return but to allow for positive boosting of our visibility 20:42:52 <Dominian> AlanClark: Agreed. He benefits from the project.. yeah openSUSE gets some advertisement out of it, but really what benefit will that have in the long run? 20:43:16 <henne> suseROCKs: and to maybe revoke it when we have the chance to benefit from it yes 20:43:22 <suseROCKs> if we're going to vote against, then we're reversing what we were doing in the past. 20:43:31 <henne> thats why i voted +. We don't sell shirts in hungary 20:43:40 <henne> we don't have the means to do it 20:43:56 <cartman> also note that the profit from a tshirt is very low 20:44:04 <AlanClark> looks like the vote was 3 to 2 so it passes 20:44:05 <suseROCKs> ok can we require re-approval of request on an annual basis? if so I'll +1 20:44:20 <suseROCKs> 3-2? who was third? 20:44:22 <henne> we can change it anytime right? 20:44:34 <Dominian> Don't see why not, its your trademark. 20:44:43 <henne> Dominian: that was rethorical :) 20:44:52 <suseROCKs> henne, a specified date is better than arbitrarily sayin "Okay we decided to change now so cough up the dough" 20:45:02 <AlanClark> yah - but are you to go tell a guy to throw away his stock of t-shirts 20:45:17 <henne> life is tough :) 20:45:25 <suseROCKs> its bad business to do that 20:45:40 <cartman> well if you are going to reverse just postpone the decision 20:45:48 <henne> then lets attach a lifetime of one year 20:45:52 <suseROCKs> I will give a +1 only on the condition we tell him he must re-request on an annual basis (and this should go for anyone who wishes to sell using openSUSE trademarks) 20:46:07 <Dominian> suseROCKs: that's a good compromise. 20:46:11 <henne> AlanClark: can we do that? 20:46:31 <suseROCKs> I'm sure we can. Licensing companies do it all the time 20:46:42 <AlanClark> I think we can. 20:46:46 <henne> okay 20:46:57 <suseROCKs> then I enter my +1 officially with that stipulation 20:46:58 <mrdocs> i think that is a reasonable condition.. 20:47:03 <manugupt1> suseROCKs: AlanClark there is awebsite where we get openSUSE tshirts at a low price occasionally should they get permissions too 20:47:12 <mrdocs> im with suseROCKs in this case 20:47:34 <henne> #agreed to the request from Gerry Gavigan. on the condition that he must re-request on an annual basis 20:47:37 <AlanClark> manugupt1 - they need permission to use the trademarks 20:47:45 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, we do have to review how we approach those who have never requested permissions formally. We'll have to figure that out as a separate topic which we are trying to work out currently 20:48:13 <manugupt1> Hmm....... Why not we have better guidelines as Python foundation and all 20:48:31 <henne> can we please stay on topic? thanks 20:48:31 <cartman> manugupt1: that requires a foundation first :) 20:48:54 <henne> next one is the request from Gerry Gavigan. 20:49:01 <henne> The recommendation is that this request does not need to be addressed by the Board as the permission he is requesting is already outlined under the openSUSE license agreement. 20:49:15 <suseROCKs> which one is it again? 20:49:33 <AlanClark> He's recyling used computers 20:49:54 <suseROCKs> and putting openSUSE on them for resale or giveaway (charity)? 20:50:03 <henne> yes something like that 20:50:16 <suseROCKs> I think that's totally permissible 20:50:17 <mrdocs> we should be promoting that when we can 20:50:35 <suseROCKs> mrdocs, yes, we should reach out to him and do a story on him if it is interesting 20:50:42 <henne> do that 20:50:56 * suseROCKs makes a note of it 20:51:00 <AlanClark> The point here, is that what he is asking for, doesn't require permission 20:51:08 * dragotin sent a similar organisation promo dvds already 20:51:10 <henne> are we agreeing on this? 20:51:29 <henne> is that what he is asking for, doesn't require permission 20:51:30 <suseROCKs> yes but I'll enter +1 for pschychological boosting for them anyway 20:51:31 <henne> +1 20:51:34 <suseROCKs> psychological 20:51:56 * suseROCKs needed to correct the psycho word in jospoortvliet's presence 20:52:15 <henne> more votes please 20:52:19 <AlanClark> +1 20:52:58 <suseROCKs> mrdocs, prusnak wake up. you're killing dance-time! 20:52:59 <robjo1> They should put "Powered by SUSE" stickers on these boxes 20:53:01 <henne> more votes please 20:53:08 <mrdocs> +1 20:53:17 <suseROCKs> ayes have it 20:53:41 <AlanClark> mrdocs - he also asked how to become an Ambassador. I think suseROCKS already responded to that. 20:53:48 <mrdocs> ahh good 20:54:01 <suseROCKs> I did? I better check on that 20:54:01 <henne> #agreed To the request of Gerry Gavigan we agreed that what he is asking for, doesn't require permission. 20:54:15 <prusnak> +1 20:54:18 <prusnak> better late then never :) 20:54:42 <suseROCKs> next? 20:55:04 <henne> okay next one is: request from our Brewery to use our trademark 20:55:19 <henne> The recommendation is that the Board hold off voting on this request until Novell reviews the request for liability risk. 20:55:33 <henne> may i ask which liability risk? 20:55:37 <suseROCKs> did I miss something or did some of the questions I raised in the brewery request get answered? 20:55:37 * mrdocs agrees, but thinks its a great idea 20:55:46 <robjo1> What could possibly be wrong with openSUSE beer? 20:56:10 <warlordfff> +100 for openSUSE Beer 20:56:17 <suseROCKs> robjo1, a bad batch of beer (not saying that would ever happen) and people suing us because we approved use of trademark 20:56:36 <Dominian> a green openSUSE beer would've been perfect for March 17th 20:56:46 <Siju> which Brewery? 20:56:48 <AlanClark> I check with Legal here in the US. They aren't familiar with the alcohol laws in the EU. They asked that I talk with Felix to ensure that we dont' inherit some liability. 20:56:59 <robjo1> Dominian: maybe next year 20:57:04 <Dominian> robjo1: :) 20:57:09 <dragotin> FYI: The beer is sold by the brewery, not Novell or opensuse 20:57:23 <suseROCKs> guys, we all agree this is ag reat thing. We just want to make sure our asses are covered. That's all. Let's be wise about this 20:57:25 <dragotin> there is simply no connection to Novell IMO 20:57:28 <henne> we don't sell anything... 20:57:55 <suseROCKs> henne, no but we will be handing them out, right? 20:57:58 <mrdocs> henne: its a reasonable paranoia for an American based company... 20:57:59 <Dominian> henne: yet 20:58:10 <AlanClark> As suseROCKS pointed out the trademark owner just wants me to do a check. 20:58:13 <henne> Dominian: never. the brewery will 20:58:18 <warlordfff> do we get beer sponsorship? 20:58:51 <Dominian> henne: I wasn't in reference to the beer per se 20:58:55 <henne> so what happens when someone ships as bad t-shirt? 20:59:04 <mrdocs> I understand how Europeans would think, Why the hell do we need to do that? " 20:59:08 <henne> or installs opensuse and some bot software 20:59:11 <henne> or or or 20:59:12 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, all the logistics of producing and selling the beer has been worked out. Only thing is just to make sure we don't have any liability. That's all. 20:59:33 <mrdocs> especially when it comes to anything alcohol related and US law 20:59:37 <suseROCKs> legal perception, henne 20:59:46 <henne> hm? 20:59:50 <henne> i'm just wondering 20:59:55 <henne> where does this end? 21:00:04 <robjo1> There are too many lawyers in the world, it just has to be reviewed. 21:00:06 <AlanClark> henne, that's why I was referred to Novell's EU legal. 21:00:07 <henne> i get that alcohol is special 21:00:07 <suseROCKs> a bad tshirt causing a freak accident would be viewed as "oops" a bad batch of beer would be viewed as "negligence" 21:00:15 <henne> or we think it is 21:00:16 <robjo1> henne: it never ends it gets worse every year 21:00:31 <mrdocs> henne: its different when you have a country with 1 million plus lawyers 21:00:42 <mrdocs> robjo1: sadly yes ;( 21:00:46 <dragotin> suseROCKs: ... and the brewery would be sued for bad beer 21:00:51 <suseROCKs> its just one more bar to cross. that's all. Let's just be patient. No one is against the open Toad beer request. 21:01:16 <dragotin> suseROCKs: Old Toad. Open Toad would be violence I guess ;-) 21:01:16 <mrdocs> not at all I think its a great idea and what a reaction at fosdem 21:01:26 <henne> i just want to make sure that we don't start to focus on unneccesarry legal aspect 21:01:32 <henne> s 21:01:34 <AJaeger> henne: Bring Felix a beer tomorrow to speed up the process ;) 21:01:41 <henne> we are geeks, we tend to do that 21:01:56 <suseROCKs> dragotin, at least here in the US, even a "distributor" would be liable. If we hand out the beer at conferences, we could be liable. But maybe EU laws don't carry that risk and then its moot to worry about, Just let's corss our I's and dot our T's 21:02:00 <mrdocs> henne: if it were anything else, we would not have these complications 21:02:32 <henne> so what are we checking? if we are allowed to distribute the beer on conferences? 21:02:36 <henne> or stuff? 21:02:38 <dragotin> yeah, lets see what they say. no problem 21:02:44 <henne> you don't really ask that do you? 21:02:57 <mrdocs> henne: no, checking if there is any liability 21:03:07 <AlanClark> henne - that is a different question. 21:03:52 <mrdocs> and its almost impossible to sell or even give away any kind of alcohol in the public without a license and strong insurance in the US 21:03:55 <henne> please let's not get into that 21:04:15 <henne> pelase 21:04:19 <henne> be reasonable 21:04:33 <suseROCKs> just let the question get asked and we'll get to the resolution soon enough. unless you are saying production MUST start tonight or there's no chance the beer will be made 21:04:55 * mrdocs votes to postpone 21:05:09 * suseROCKs votes to get liability assurances 21:05:11 <robjo1> henne: sorry, being reasonable has long left the public conscience in the US 21:05:35 <suseROCKs> enough of this country badgering.... 21:05:53 <suseROCKs> if it is clear that in EU there's no risk then there's no worry that this will get approved, right? 21:06:01 <AlanClark> let's go to the next topic 21:06:03 <robjo1> hey, I live here I can badger all I want ;) 21:06:04 <suseROCKs> if there is a risk, well gee... guess we learned! 21:06:22 <suseROCKs> yes next topic please 21:06:36 <henne> #agreed to the brewer request. we wait for novell legal to answer some questions 21:07:35 <suseROCKs> move on! 21:07:43 <suseROCKs> I have Geeko Dance Rehearsal tonight! 21:07:45 <henne> next is: Ishwon requested the use of the openSUSE and Novell trademarks 21:07:57 <henne> No action specifically needed by the Board on this request. Since it included the use of Novell trademarks Alan asked Novell MARCOM to respond to this request. MARCOM has already responded to Ishwon. 21:08:06 <henne> okay 21:08:18 <henne> i think we have forgotten one 21:08:40 <AlanClark> I don't think that we forgot any 21:08:59 <henne> the University of Mauritius' Computer Club seminar thing? 21:09:04 <suseROCKs> he just wants to disapprove my geeko dance so I'll never dance it in front of him 21:09:08 <Siju> whats about opensuse.us? or missed I anything? 21:09:09 <henne> or did we already answer that? 21:09:11 <suseROCKs> henne, isn't that the same one? 21:09:19 <henne> the same as? 21:09:24 <AlanClark> That's the one that MARCOM responded to 21:09:28 <suseROCKs> ishwon? 21:09:29 <henne> ah okay 21:09:32 <henne> sorry :-/ 21:09:36 <henne> next topic then 21:09:38 <suseROCKs> wow, henne double-dipped! 21:09:55 <henne> #topic Where do we need to improve? (15 minutes) 21:10:00 <henne> This topic is about quick, small, actionable problems we have. Stuff we can solve between this and the next meeting. 21:10:02 <suseROCKs> Siju, nothing at the moment. We're trying to figure out what our legal abilities are atm 21:10:09 <Siju> suseROCKs: okey, fine 21:10:21 <henne> you can find ideas in our openFATE queue 21:10:33 <henne> http://bit.ly/opensuse_improve 21:11:07 <henne> i see a couple of new infrastructure requests 21:11:20 <henne> all related to connect 21:11:35 <henne> everything else is the same there 21:11:45 <suseROCKs> i'm getting hammered by some newcomers in marketing team who think we need to add more project management tools to our infrastructure. I'm trying to dissuade that atm 21:12:28 <henne> you can have a ton of them online... 21:12:29 * rtyler hammers on suseROCKs some more 21:12:29 <suseROCKs> but to their arguments, they're saying they're not satisfied with connect or even retro. What can we do to give some focus on improving features on those tools, prusnak? 21:12:30 <warlordfff> Ms Spies? 21:12:55 <suseROCKs> henne, we can have a ton, but we don't want a ton, right? we're trying to consolidate and be more efficient around here 21:12:55 <henne> suseROCKs: can you maybe elaborate with what they are not satisfied? 21:13:23 <henne> suseROCKs: we want a ton with a ton of people that make long term maintenance commitments :) 21:13:32 <suseROCKs> henne, atm all I'm hearing is "its not quite up to par yet" kind of stuff. I haven't dived into it because frankly I don't think whatever changes can be proposed can be implemented on the turn of a dime 21:13:33 <prusnak> suseROCKs: i don't think it is a tool issue 21:13:49 <henne> suseROCKs: for every tool we host we want to see a team of old-timers taking care of it 21:13:55 <suseROCKs> henne, that's a good way to look at it :-) 21:14:03 <prusnak> and without very concrete points HOW to improve i am a sitting duck 21:14:14 * henne throws some old bread at prusnak 21:14:32 <henne> okay anything else? anything actionable? 21:14:39 <henne> something we fail at NOW 21:14:48 <henne> and we could fix until the next meeting 21:14:54 <suseROCKs> prusnak, I agree. I'm not hearing specific howto's. but my question is... if people have a concrete set of proposals (assuming they are not hugely complex) how much time can be given to engineering it? 21:14:54 <henne> with we I mean everyone present 21:15:17 <suseROCKs> i mean, prusnak, you're seen as the go-to guy on this stuff, but surely you have a shitload of other stuff on your plate too. 21:15:23 <henne> suseROCKs: this is an open source project. we don't do time estimates :) 21:15:24 <Anditosan> is there a way to graphically create a usb drive with a simple program for opensuse on windows or some other OS? 21:15:30 <javier> btw, Will is asking for feedback/suggestions for the KDE promo DVD sleeve draft → http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-promo&m=130091232221535&w=2 21:15:48 <javier> (just in case someone wants to help) 21:15:52 <henne> !support @ Anditosan 21:15:52 <SUSEhelp> Anditosan: General technical support is in #suse (/join #suse), please ask over there 21:15:53 <prusnak> suseROCKs: 1) let's try to come up with conrete proposals 2) let's find someone to implement it 3) profit :) 21:15:54 <Anditosan> I ran into this recently when tryin to install openSUSE 11.4. There wasn't a simple program to create images 21:16:13 <suseROCKs> prusnak, ok 21:16:14 <Anditosan> henne: i know, my request is not for support for the creation of a program 21:16:20 <henne> Anditosan: we're in the middle of a meeting 21:16:23 <Anditosan> k 21:16:38 <suseROCKs> henne, surely we can create that program between now and next meeting :-) 21:16:50 <henne> Anditosan: check out susestudio.com 21:16:54 <Anditosan> I have 21:17:03 <manugupt1> Anditosan: imagewriter 21:17:08 <suseROCKs> I'm assuming the strange "subscribe" mess related to Connect is being looked at? 21:17:11 <Anditosan> disrregar my request if it is too difficult 21:17:14 <Anditosan> diregard 21:17:15 <manugupt1> !support @ Anditosan 21:17:16 <SUSEhelp> Anditosan: General technical support is in #suse (/join #suse), please ask over there 21:18:24 <suseROCKs> c'mon people... we're 18 mins over.... talk or move on 21:18:45 <bitshuffler__> Anditosan: unetbootin 21:19:13 <Anditosan> bitshuffler: thanks, I tried it. 21:19:17 <suseROCKs> henne, I don't think people have anything for this topic then 21:19:42 <mrdocs> next ? 21:20:07 <suseROCKs> oh lordy, henne must have gone to pee. This is going to take a long while 21:21:07 <suseROCKs> helloooooo 21:21:08 <Anditosan> suseROCKs: you know this guys very well, don't you 21:21:09 <Anditosan> ? 21:21:12 <henne> okay nothing broken we can quickly fix? 21:21:12 <henne> c'mon people 21:21:13 <henne> alrighty. great 21:21:13 <henne> next topic then 21:21:13 <henne> #info we didn't find any new suggestions in openFATE and there were also no requests in the channel 21:21:14 <henne> #topic Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 21:21:14 <henne> Here we discuss additional topics or questions that came up during the meeting. 21:21:15 <henne> there is one question on the wiki from cboltz 21:21:15 <henne> What's the status of having all openSUSE people in one hotel preferably the speakers hotel? 21:21:16 <henne> for linuxtag 21:21:17 <henne> #topic Questions & Answers (30 minutes) 21:21:17 <henne> Here we discuss additional topics or questions that came up during the meeting. 21:21:18 <henne> gah. lag 21:21:21 <suseROCKs> wow henne just barfed 21:21:24 <henne> #undo 21:21:24 <bugbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x12548d0> 21:21:43 <henne> Here we discuss additional topics or questions that came up during the meeting. 21:22:20 * henne swears at freenode 21:22:44 <suseROCKs> ok there's a question about all in one hotel??? 21:23:11 <henne> yes. for linuxtag 21:23:26 <suseROCKs> how's that a question for this meeting? 21:23:40 <henne> because we as a project go there? :) 21:23:53 <suseROCKs> und? 21:24:10 <suseROCKs> if you want to stay in the same hote, make your reservations there 21:24:16 <henne> jospoortvliet: do you know any details about the plans there? 21:24:33 <henne> suseROCKs: i didn't ask that question. cboltz did 21:24:52 <suseROCKs> i know, duh. I'm asking how that question pertains to this type of meeting. 21:25:17 <henne> i guess we have to postpone that to mail then 21:25:25 <mrdocs> suseROCKs: when you attend those meets its nice to be all together 21:25:27 <henne> okay any other additional topic we need to discuss? 21:25:54 <mrdocs> nothing from me 21:25:58 <suseROCKs> mrdocs, yes but how are we to have any impact on where you make your hotel rez? that's what I mean. 21:26:20 <mrdocs> oic.. dunno where the issue is then 21:26:39 <suseROCKs> oh just a for the record... our previous discussions about merging some mailing lists, e.g. artwork and marketing... are rejected from the artwork team. So the matter is dropped 21:26:45 <henne> any other general question? 21:27:01 <AlanClark> AJ wanted me to remind the board members about the email from him regarding contributor recognition. He will be sending an update to his previous email. 21:27:12 <mrdocs> ok 21:27:15 <suseROCKs> ok 21:27:17 * mrdocs will watch 21:27:25 * henne adds this to the AIs 21:28:11 <suseROCKs> if nothing else in the next 30 seconds I'm leaving my desk 21:28:12 <henne> anything else? 21:28:37 <henne> Okay that's it then. If you have more, don't hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 21:28:49 <suseROCKs> thank you all for attendance 21:29:06 <mrdocs> and input 21:29:25 <henne> #info cboltz question about hotel booking for linuxtag was refered to the opensuse-project mailinglist. other questions were not asked 21:29:34 <henne> #info The next project meeting will be in two weeks. Same channel (#opensuse-project), same time (19:00 UTC). 21:29:39 <henne> Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! 21:29:45 <suseROCKs> oh wait 21:29:46 <henne> #endmeeting