16:01:16 #startmeeting 16:01:16 Meeting started Wed Dec 15 16:01:16 2010 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:25 #meetingtopic Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 16:01:34 Welcome to the openSUSE Project Meeting! 16:01:49 This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE. 16:01:56 The topics for this meeting are: 16:02:07 1. Old Action Items 16:02:07 2. Status Reports 16:02:07 3. Questions & Answers 16:02:18 let's roll 16:02:33 #topic Old Action Items 16:02:51 you can find the AI's in bugzilla with this link: http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 16:03:23 there is only one open 16:03:30 its about the Junior Jobs page 16:03:51 in relation to the indian student programm 16:03:53 henne, 634456 16:04:05 I contacted Renuka S 16:04:06 bug #634456 16:04:09 openSUSE bug 634456 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] Indian students working on openSUSE" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/634456 16:04:19 manugupt1: about? 16:04:30 henne, about this bug as michl asked me to contact her 16:04:38 ah okay :) 16:04:44 sorry I'm not really involved... 16:04:50 Well she is hospitalised 16:05:07 as of now but she said she will speak to me later 16:05:19 oh okay 16:05:27 so can we assign this AI to you? 16:05:34 or what are you speaking about? 16:05:39 No.. Please no its a Novell thing 16:05:43 I spoke about me 16:05:59 Indian students who approach novell are directly trainees under novell 16:06:06 please can you elaborate? 16:06:52 Ok.. Suppose I go to Novell as a student I will usually go there as a trainee to complete my semester coursework 16:07:12 So this a Novell thing for Indian Students 16:07:30 okay but this is not what the AI is about... 16:07:53 Any indian student approaching will think in this manner 16:08:53 henne, it is because they think it is worth it student who do not contact novell will find ways again 16:09:08 henne, I am saying this because I am a student 16:09:17 in India 16:09:27 manugupt1: i get you but i don't get the relation to the AI 16:09:38 its about the junior jobs page 16:09:58 and the junior jobs page is not a novell thing :) 16:10:18 henne, point is then those students would already have come 16:10:51 I hope you are getting my point 16:11:28 dragotin: do you know any other detail about this? 16:11:44 henne, even I thought the same ;) 16:12:36 okay anyway 16:13:12 any proposals what beside package version updates and JJ bugs we can put on the junior jobs page? 16:14:29 is anyone awake? 16:15:04 cool 16:15:06 I am :) 16:15:07 * suseROCKs is fully awake after treating himself to a large breakfast 16:15:17 yeah 16:15:34 henne: I am as well 16:15:40 okay c'mon people you must have ideas for the JJ page... 16:15:42 but I am lost on the indian thing 16:16:03 dragotin: it feels to me like we should drop this 16:16:17 finish the JJ page and declare it done... 16:16:23 probably 16:16:49 I have no comments on it at this time 16:16:55 however, a JJ page has not very much to do with Indian students 16:17:04 can people do some junior thing in openfate ? 16:17:06 a good JJP is helpful anyway 16:17:13 dragotin: according to the AI it has 16:17:23 henne: well... 16:17:41 what if a german student is looking for a JJ? 16:17:45 page would be helpful 16:17:51 thats what I mean 16:17:54 is there such a thing as junior jobs? 16:17:56 yes sure. no one is doubting that :) 16:18:06 this bug yields no information about that 16:18:18 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Junior_jobs 16:18:52 ok 16:18:53 we have simple package version updates and junior bugs 16:18:59 henne: ? 16:19:01 and we wanted a third thing 16:19:35 so is there someone who is handling the interface between potential schools/students? 16:20:03 can we stay on topic please? 16:20:26 lets us just finish this page please... 16:20:42 simple feature screening like 16:20:50 - asking back the reporter for more info 16:20:53 - seeking for dups 16:21:04 - correcting products 16:21:06 and such 16:21:09 also a junior job 16:21:23 nothing in the documentation space? 16:21:26 ah the marketplace thing 16:21:36 like wiki transistion :-P 16:22:31 wouldn't it be more effective if we asked each team to propose their ideas for junior jobs rather than us trying to figure out by reaching far and wide? 16:22:37 i just add the feature marketplace to the JJ page 16:22:51 dragotin: u really like to mix that? 16:22:52 and then we're done with it 16:22:59 ok 16:23:43 gnokii: mix what? 16:24:03 mix programmer jobs with wiki/merketing and other jobs 16:24:13 marketing I meant 16:24:16 for Junior Jobs, yes, I don't care 16:24:37 main thing is that people get something they're interested in and start to ask questions 16:24:53 thats only the starting point anyway 16:25:11 of course but for take a bug or something like that, its a higher step to take or? 16:25:53 yes, maybe, but still, we can sort that when the people are in 16:25:53 its about showing people the door into doing something 16:26:08 I think we should not dig to deep here. 16:26:13 not about providing the most easy thing there is 16:26:20 henne: we have same opinion on that 16:26:38 ive added feature marketplace to the page, will fill it with more text after the meeting 16:26:51 henne: heroe 16:26:51 ill also close the AI. agreed? 16:27:03 +1 16:27:45 henne: heroe 16:27:58 hiro 16:28:21 there are no other AI's then 16:28:35 next topic? 16:28:58 Go for it 16:29:09 #topic Status Reports 16:29:20 Teams and individuals send various status reports around. Coolo sends one for the distribution, the OBS team publishes meeting minutes, the boosters their "What are the boosters up to" blogposts, the board has a public meeting and so on and so on. Are there any questions regarding those or do we need to discuss anything in detail? 16:30:14 wow - finally we made it to have a king :-) 16:30:45 I think we're kind of in agreement that we're ging to start blogging Board meeting updates more frequently 16:31:27 as long as you do it we are ;) 16:31:33 :D 16:31:36 I think that was part of the agreement :-D 16:31:39 and the distribution one by coolo is something which could be blogged too, or picked up by the news team... 16:32:09 yes but this topic is about the content of those.... 16:32:11 for instance 16:32:26 i would like to bring up the feature thing coolo had in one of his reports 16:32:39 about major features for 11.4 16:32:50 where was it... 16:32:52 they do not exist according to coolo, right? 16:33:28 http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-boosters/2010-12/msg00025.html 16:33:45 well no one know about them 16:33:52 thats what i read into that 16:33:57 maybe I'm reading wrong, but sounds like you want cherry-picked newsworthy items in a report as opposed to a status report per se. Am i reading correctly? 16:34:16 suseROCKs: no. i want to discuss 11.4 features now 16:34:25 the absence of... 16:34:32 ok 16:34:39 or the absence of yes. but i don't believe that :) 16:35:07 henne: is spideroak in shape again ;-) ? 16:35:39 yes but spideroak is old :) 16:35:51 I think we will have a boosters sprint to work on features 16:36:03 didn't we have a mail discussion about that recently? 16:36:07 work on features? 16:36:23 jospoortvliet: where? 16:36:40 henne: yes, why not? We were discussing that after 11.3 that it would make sense to have a "distro-sprint" 16:36:47 I still think that makes sense 16:36:58 hoever, that does not mean that the problem is solved 16:37:00 henne: hmmm that was kulow, aj and me, should've been public, sorry 16:37:01 dragotin: a little late right? we're weeks behind feature freeze :) 16:37:08 anyway, we concluded basically the same as you do 16:37:19 however, the performance improvements in the new kernel are definately worth mentioning 16:37:20 jospoortvliet: which is? 16:37:30 (little visible improvements) 16:37:32 humpf 16:37:37 and Firefox 4 and WebM are notable 16:37:44 a third thing will hopefully crop up ?!? 16:38:04 maybe the improvements to zypper, I dunno 16:38:21 if there were any (at least behavior changes I thought, download first then install, something like that) 16:38:29 i bet there are tons of cool things we can mention 16:38:48 its just that someone has to dig them up :) 16:39:25 so the real question is who is going to do that? 16:40:15 any suggestions on how to dig that up? 16:40:30 ask coolo is a good start 16:40:38 and try to filter his answers ;-) 16:40:39 read package changelogs 16:40:51 coolo doesnt know shit 16:41:14 henne: very nice of you :) 16:41:30 henne you're as polite as ever 16:41:30 or he used to know for a couple of minutes when he checks in :) 16:41:42 nice save! :-) 16:41:43 but yeah, master kulow has no idea either 16:41:47 but he can't keep this stuff in memory for 3500 packages 16:41:55 I'd love to mention tumbleweed 16:42:00 ... 16:42:04 as it would start then 16:42:07 but it's still quite experimental 16:42:13 so reading package changelogs is the only way... 16:42:23 wow that's painful 16:42:24 ... 16:42:36 could we ask each 'team' to come up with their top 3 features or something? 16:42:43 as in kernel etc etc etc 16:42:47 or even just top 1... 16:42:52 we only have very high level teams 16:43:12 jospoortvliet: who is we 16:43:16 KDE and GNOME and LXDE and XFCE can each do 2-3 features, I bet that won't be an issue. Question is if kernel, xorg etc can do it to 16:43:26 we would be here the marketing team, after all they/we have to write this thing 16:44:09 if we say the marketing team gets this together (in whatever way) i'm fine 16:44:11 btw I'd like to organize a marketing meeting beginning of feb 16:44:14 are we? 16:44:16 could be a good time to do this together 16:44:41 this sounds like a marketing thing to me and I'd be happy to try and lead the effort 16:44:45 will need help however 16:44:49 (hence the meeting) 16:45:29 if you (-project members) agree it's a good idea to do that 16:45:30 okay wonderful 16:45:37 I can take care of it with Bryen 16:46:00 i make this an AI 16:46:06 I'll be working on the wiki page this afternoon preparing to organize it 16:46:23 the wiki page? 16:46:48 yes 16:47:08 I'd say let's start with sending out a feeler on the marketing list, see if ppl are interested and if beginning of feb works 16:47:11 we have fosdem there 16:47:15 maybe the week before or after 16:47:16 we need to start figuring out who wants to go, exactly where we want it to be (though we have an idea now to do it next to FOSDEM) and what the specific agenda will be for those days 16:48:10 yup 16:48:29 henne: ok put AI on me and suseROCKs we'll present it to marketing team 16:48:33 if ppl are interesed we can do this 16:48:53 otherwise I'll fly in helen south, lock her up for a week in the basement and it'll be done too :D 16:48:54 hehe 16:49:05 lol 16:49:16 okay done. Bug #659659 16:49:19 openSUSE bug 659659 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Top feature list for 11.4" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/659659 16:49:19 aren't there enough stories about people being locked up in basements over there? 16:49:37 anything else we need to discuss on the various status reports? 16:50:22 none thus far 16:50:49 okay next topic then 16:50:56 #topic Questions & Answers 16:51:12 there are no questions on the wiki 16:51:19 any general questions here? 16:51:25 any other topic we need to discuss? 16:51:52 I keep looking out my door for a spiked eggnog delivery by FedEx from jospoortvliet to all of us. is my expectation misguided? 16:52:06 suseROCKs: I think it is 16:52:16 you can be a bit misguided sometimes :D 16:52:37 I would never spike eggnog. eggnog would spike my actual drink. 16:53:29 hugs jospoortvliet 16:53:37 okay then this is the end. my friend 16:54:00 If you have more, don't hesitate to bring it up on the appropriate mailinglist. 16:54:03 #info The next project meeting will be in two weeks. Same channel but this time at 12:00 UTC. 16:54:07 Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! 16:54:10 ummm 16:54:11 hold on 16:54:15 meeting in two weeks? 16:54:19 what now? 16:54:34 Seriously? You're not going to give people a break that week? Dec 29 16:54:37 I love just plain eggnog, I drink about 1 Gallon week during the holidays 16:54:39 not? :) 16:54:58 do we want to have a break? :) 16:55:02 * manugupt1 lets give suseROCKs a b'day bash 16:55:15 shh manugupt1 16:55:36 henne, Don't be a grinch. Let people have the week off during holidays. If there's anything pressing people will bring it up on the ML 16:55:38 I think it would be best that nothing happens the last two weeks of the year 16:56:27 * jospoortvliet believes henne enjoys being a grinch just a tad too much to let go 16:56:46 #undo 16:56:46 Removing item from minutes: 16:56:47 isn't one of the reasons why we love him? Amongst many others as well 16:57:04 * gnokii watch dister awards 16:57:59 #info The next project meeting will be in four weeks (2011.01.12). Same channel at 16:00 UTC. 16:58:06 +1 16:58:08 Thank you all for participating. Good night and good luck! 16:58:11 #endmeeting