18:01:11 #startmeeting 18:01:11 Meeting started Wed May 19 18:01:11 2010 UTC. The chair is henne. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:01:19 #meetingtopic Welcome to the openSUSE Board Meeting! 18:01:29 here we go 18:01:32 aww man! Another meeting??? 18:02:24 here 18:02:29 here 18:02:35 there 18:02:41 tell me about it suseROCKs 18:03:04 henne, There is a meeting occurring right now for the openSUSE Board in the #opensuse-project channel 18:03:08 there! I told henne about it. 18:03:26 <_michl> moin 18:03:29 guess we should ping a wake-up call to yaloki 18:03:30 * henne buys suseROCKs a clown costume 18:04:33 ok henne proceed with the agenda list, your highness. 18:05:18 okay the agenda for this meeting is: 18:05:21 1. openSUSE Foundation 18:05:21 2. Membership Approval Team 18:05:21 3. Strategy Discussion 18:05:21 4. Trademark Approvals 18:05:21 5. Face 2 Face Meeting 18:05:24 6. Questions & Answers 18:05:26 1. From Wiki (see questions section below) 18:05:29 2. From Channel 18:05:41 #topic openSUSE Foundation 18:06:18 <_michl> I'm on finalization of the document with Alan Clark 18:06:32 the document? :) 18:06:47 The Magna Carta 18:06:50 _michl: is there something comparable to my german e.V. in the meantime? 18:07:03 <_michl> the plan is to have a meeting in June with Novell execs to get their buy in 18:07:26 <_michl> rhorstkoetter: good point - I'v asked Alan about that weeks ago 18:07:32 <_michl> but probably nothing new 18:07:52 rhorstkoetter, in our conversation with Alan, we agreed there wasn't anything truly significantly different between the two and if the board seems to lean towards e.V. then we'll go with that. 18:08:04 <_michl> henne: the document = kind of a business plan "why to do an openSUSE foundation" 18:08:16 _michl: ah. sorry 18:08:22 suseROCKs, _michl: I see 18:08:50 suseROCKs: do we lean towards e.V.? 18:08:55 it will still cost us the same whether 501c3 or e.V. cuz Novell won't touch either without their army of lawyers. 18:09:25 and I should say "cost us"... "cost Novell" :-) 18:09:50 <_michl> suseROCKs: right 18:10:24 rhorstkoetter, its my general feeling and perception that the board leans toward e.V. as its an org type most of the board is more familiar and comfortable with. 18:10:47 me, I don't care, as long as we go forth and get this going already. 18:10:51 uhm 18:11:06 i don't think that feeling is correct :) 18:11:07 suseROCKs: that might be due to german dominance in the board 18:11:14 * henne for instance does not care either 18:11:38 <_michl> right, first foundation 18:11:45 the deductability thing is ironed out as I read at the list right? 18:12:04 yeah we moved that aside 18:12:18 e.V. is good for german donors, while 501c3 for US based ones 18:12:24 henne: OK 18:12:28 nonetheless i think it would be benefitial to have an overview about 501c3 18:12:28 rhorstkoetter, According to Alan, (and I still don't understand) deductability is a non-issue because if Novell makes the major donation, then rest of donations are not considered qualified for charitable status. 18:13:01 suseROCKs: but novell is a US-based entity, isn't it? 18:13:12 with offices in Germany :-) 18:13:15 that would qualify for 501c3 18:13:28 suseROCKs: certainly, I forgot ;) 18:13:32 <_michl> henne: please give me an AI to get Alan giving us the 501c3 overview 18:13:34 yes but not as charity. Again, i don't understand that. 18:14:06 #chair _michl suseROCKs rhorstkoetter prusnak 18:14:06 Current chairs: _michl henne prusnak rhorstkoetter suseROCKs 18:14:21 #action _michl get Alan giving us the 501c3 overview 18:14:46 _michl, Do you think we'll have something in documentation ready for next Friday? 18:15:06 <_michl> yes 18:15:40 <_michl> uuuuaaaaggghhhhhhhh 18:15:53 did someone spill coffee on _michl ? 18:16:02 <_michl> I need to appologize for dragotin's behaviour 18:16:16 <_michl> he's next to me and completely mad 18:16:17 so, in the end we decide for 501c3 VS e.V. and hand this decision to novell lawyer army right? 18:16:22 just to be sure 18:16:52 rhorstkoetter, no... hand the decision to Novell Bigwigs and they hand to lawyers 18:17:09 we still need Big Ron to love us 18:17:13 suseROCKs: fine by me 18:17:28 So first we have to make sure Big Ron even knows openSUSE exists! :-) 18:17:54 <_michl> suseROCKs: you can be sure he knows 18:18:37 * suseROCKs schedules a stop in Boston on the way back from Europe to talk to Ron 18:18:42 ok I guess this topic is done 18:19:33 alright 18:19:44 #topic Membership Approval Team 18:19:56 anything we still need to do here? 18:20:08 approval team is working fine 18:20:10 I'm worried about one thing here 18:20:22 we need to handle the accepted/rejected members 18:20:47 we = the board? 18:20:53 I already posted to the list why the board is still involved with member approval in users.o.o and the initial import 18:21:19 suseROCKs: approval team has no rights yet to change status in users.o.o 18:21:27 prusnak: that's what Im talking about. why do WE need to be involved here 18:21:46 so we don't become obsolete and lose our jobs :-) 18:21:52 isn't it possible to assign needed rights for users.o.o to the membership group 18:21:53 ? 18:21:56 rhorstkoetter: we have to decide 18:22:07 prusnak: about what? 18:22:09 it is possible to add needed rights 18:22:17 but I think considering that we only recently started this process, its premature to completely turn things over. 18:22:21 prusnak: last week I posted this very same question to the list, got no reply 18:22:34 We're supposed to utilize the team to assess what needs to be changed infrastructurally and get a report about that. 18:22:34 i know, i wanted to discuss here 18:22:41 prusnak: fine 18:22:51 so there are two options 18:23:09 a) board handles approved/rejected members (= click in users.o.o, send email to user) 18:23:14 suseROCKs: my intention is .. I'd like to outsource 100% incl. the users.o.o step + initial import 18:23:16 b) we leave it to the membership team 18:23:25 b +1 18:23:27 * rhorstkoetter votes for b 18:23:35 <_michl> b +1 18:23:41 i have no strong opinion 18:23:45 suseROCKs: you ? 18:24:04 especially because the most important part (talking to the rejects) should be done by the people who voted 18:24:17 henne: +1 18:24:29 okay 18:24:33 great 18:24:39 and the import? 18:24:39 b +1 18:24:42 i'll talk to darix 18:24:53 so he will add permissions to users.o.o 18:25:03 I mean, aren't we involved with the nitial import as well? 18:25:08 rhorstkoetter, yes outsource 100% is the eventual goal. But you're forgetting our initial goal was to look at how the system works and what needs to be changed so we can appropriate the necessary resources 18:25:21 we need to handle the email thingie 18:25:27 i.e. requests should be sent to a new dedicated email address IMO 18:25:28 #action prusnak talk to darix to add permissions to users.o.o for the membership approval team 18:25:40 there are accepted/rejected templates which were being sent by AJ 18:26:01 prusnak: yes, a dedicated one like "members@o.o" or "membership@o.o" 18:26:09 <_michl> prusnak: no, meanwhile by me ;-) 18:26:10 _michl has better ones i think 18:26:19 and this should then be handled by the group 18:26:26 agreed 18:26:39 _michl: could you please send me these bettertemplates ? 18:26:52 that (with the users.o.o thing) would lead to 100% outsource 18:26:55 and the last thing - we need official email for this team 18:27:07 from which these emails will be sent 18:27:12 <_michl> prusnak: just to avoid any confusion - the email accept/reject templates or other ones? 18:27:13 prusnak: the rquest got through this morning 18:27:20 this is being driven by henne by blocked by ACS atm 18:27:37 i just had no time to test it yet... 18:27:41 _michl: your accept/reject templates if they're better than AJ's 18:28:03 one thing we need to stress with this 18:28:03 henne: cool 18:28:25 <_michl> prusnak: the ones from AJ experienced some evolution - that's all 18:28:27 the group need to understand that there has to be a dialog with the rejected people 18:28:32 so, may we agree on a request address members.o.o? 18:28:47 rhorstkoetter: request address? 18:28:47 _michl: okay, i want the last generation of them :) 18:28:52 henne: +1, this is urgently needed 18:29:11 yes, I do not want a blanket "Sorry you not qualified.. Goodbye!" kind of environment 18:29:17 henne: an address where the membership requests end up 18:29:26 or is this solved already 18:29:32 they're potentially a valuable trove of future contributors 18:29:40 rhorstkoetter: the membership requests end up in users.opensuse.org 18:30:01 henne: no no, wait a sec, need to check the members wiki page 18:30:50 of course. there is a form 18:30:56 henne: ok, scratch that .. my mistake 18:31:16 I had another process in remembrance 18:32:08 the address of the team is membership-officials@opensuse.org 18:32:22 i just need to get everyone subscribed 18:32:39 henne: can't we do it manually ? 18:32:42 can anyone email to that mailing list? Or only members? 18:32:51 henne: do you have a list or do they need to do this pro-actively? 18:33:28 prusnak: why? if they do it theirself they can decide from where and we make sure that delivery works for them 18:33:48 themselves 18:33:53 hm, okay 18:34:03 subscribing is not some stupid hurdle. subscribing is a feature :) 18:34:24 the problem is - I cannot send an instructions email tomorrow using this ML 18:34:40 besides, self-subscribing gives the team member one last chance to opt-in opt-out in theory 18:34:50 prusnak: thats a problem with my eggs 18:34:51 I will use the long CC list again 18:35:11 suseROCKs: why would a non-member write them? 18:35:17 henne: why that difficult? 18:35:32 rhorstkoetter: i explained above 18:35:45 henne, an inquiry... perhaps a request for appeal for re-consideration, etc. 18:35:46 why not auto-subscribe the CC: list without asking everyone for self-subscription? 18:36:20 henne: this would take 5 minutes of henne's precious time :D 18:36:21 rhorstkoetter: because its actually not easier and error prone 18:36:29 rhorstkoetter: this would take 5 minutes of henne's precious time :D 18:36:31 :) 18:36:34 guys 18:36:36 "subscribing is not some stupid hurdle. subscribing is a feature" this is what you call an "explanation"? 18:36:39 ;) 18:36:45 yes 18:36:57 i explained the feature above that sentence 18:37:00 I have an objecton here... 18:37:01 that explains a lot 18:37:03 what more do you want me to explain? 18:37:13 should i draw a picture? 18:37:16 I object to the concept that henne could be error-prone. He's perfect! 18:37:23 #action prusnak write an email to membership-team about subscribing to new membership-officials ML and how to proceed with rejected/approved members 18:37:45 no, you should invest 5 min of your time to auto-subscribe them .. much more reliable 18:37:47 just copypaste it and we can go on to the next topic 18:37:49 anyways 18:38:13 we also can do it the difficult way 18:38:24 c'mon guys! 18:38:26 rhorstkoetter: unlike you i maintain mailinglists since 10+ years. just trust me okay? :) 18:38:29 move on! 18:38:50 yes 18:38:51 henne: aye aye sir 18:38:52 if the mailing list maintainer wants to do it a certain way, just let him. 18:39:07 next topic? 18:39:37 yes yes yes 18:40:06 #topic Strategy Discussion 18:40:39 everything on track for your big weekend? 18:40:52 We strategically have nothing to mention at this time. :-) 18:41:18 hehe 18:41:20 we discussed this topic on project meeting 18:41:38 yeah kind of 18:41:39 email should arrive in your inboxes soon 18:41:48 email about? 18:42:16 about $topic - Strategy discussion 18:42:28 thanks for narrowing that down :-) 18:43:03 okay next topci then? 18:43:22 yes 18:43:57 #topic Trademark Approvals 18:44:05 this somehow completely derailed 18:44:09 i think 18:44:27 i think we should go back to square one 18:45:01 I kind of like the idea of ordering openSUSE-trademarked furniture 18:45:07 <_michl> arrgghh - this is something which moves from week to week on my to do list 18:45:09 <_michl> :-( 18:45:22 _michl: what exactly? 18:45:28 some time ago I read a request about furniture with opensuse logo. why do we reject these? 18:45:45 suseROCKs: +1, I also was wondering 18:46:00 do we value to surpress PR for free? 18:46:17 somehow there are more people involved now 18:46:32 the ones in the CC list 18:46:47 really? I didn't notice more in the cc list 18:46:50 if i'm honest i don't even know who they are 18:46:52 <_michl> we should give trademark to stuff which has relation with openSUSE or at least software 18:47:07 <_michl> furniture doesn't have those ties 18:47:27 _michl: but furniture provides free PR 18:47:30 <_michl> and I strongly doubt that these guys are selling a reasonable amount of stuff 18:47:33 good from my POV 18:47:38 isn't it? 18:47:48 <_michl> we should do important stuff and lose focus on tiny onces 18:48:04 tiny ones are what comes in right now 18:48:08 mmh I am very sure that was only a guy and he liked todo an book rack with the geeko for itself 18:48:09 but how much focus is it for us? 18:48:40 gnokii__, no. this company designs fancy leather sofas and chairs and puts logos of different orgs and brand names on it 18:48:47 not cheap stuff 18:49:22 _michl: who is Karl? 18:49:34 why is AJ always in CC 18:49:44 <_michl> henne: don't know I just know our documentation Karl 18:49:48 and why sometimes Kelley and sometime Patrick? 18:50:08 i guess thats the first thing we need to find out 18:50:21 <_michl> henne: ahh I checked the last mails 18:50:24 henne, while we are responsible for approving usage of the trademark, the trademark still ultimately is owned by Novell and if they want people to simply be aware of what gets passed to us, fine 18:50:31 <_michl> this Karl is from corporate marketing 18:50:32 otherwise they say something about the reqeusts and we shut up 18:51:03 suseROCKs: either we approve or we approve together with them or they approve 18:51:08 suseROCKs: we need to clear that up 18:51:22 they have not approved themselves. They have expressed opinions only 18:51:30 we are the final approvers. 18:51:30 because for now, everytime they say something about it and afterwards the requests get stuck 18:51:52 because we don't know what to do 18:51:57 at least thats my feeling 18:51:59 henne, whos fault is that? theirs or ours? There's no reason we had to let the request thread die. We could have kept talking about it or whatever. 18:52:06 <_michl> henne: we now - we just need to do it 18:52:14 <_michl> and please blame me for that 18:52:21 <_michl> for the delay 18:52:39 rhorstkoetter's concerns however are valid. I have never been comfortable with the clarity of how we approve 18:53:02 well we should just vote 18:53:15 on what basis. That's the point rhorstkoetter is making. 18:53:28 you should vote on your opinion 18:53:43 if you think the furniture thingee is good then you should vote + 18:53:51 e.g. The furniture request. If they promised us 10% of revenue, should we vote for that? 18:54:10 <_michl> simple - everything with ties to software, open source, our project we should approve 18:54:20 henne: and you propose board members to vote while legal just consults? 18:54:31 <_michl> rhorstkoetter: right 18:54:32 rhorstkoetter: yes 18:54:41 sounds like a plan 18:54:50 _michl, But what about products? What if I want to sell t-shirts with openSUSE logo on it. What's the definition then? 18:54:59 but, just as a sidenote, I'd vote + for the furniture thing 18:55:08 suseROCKs: there is none. thats why we vote 18:55:22 rhorstkoetter, henne that's been the way it is all along. The legal/marketing folks merely have been expressing their opinions, and we're the final voters. 18:55:24 <_michl> rhorstkoetter: then vote for it 18:55:49 rhorstkoetter, I wouldn't vote for the furunture unless there's revenue stream for us. 18:55:57 ok, we're getting somewhere then. how should the voting look like? 18:56:14 our last proposal was to use retro 18:56:16 some kind of voting period like 7 days? 18:56:26 i created tickets for old requests in retro.o.o 18:56:27 with the same methods as for members 18:56:30 if you do not vote, votes given count? 18:56:32 when do we ever do anything for 7 days? :-) 18:56:51 the furniture one and intranetware are not there yet 18:57:00 henne: sounds like we need a trademark group ;) 18:57:09 just kidding 18:57:12 hehe yeah 18:57:16 intranetware we probably can't vote on cuz netware is Novell's trademark that we don't have any jurisdiction over. 18:57:26 suseROCKs: then we vote no :) 18:57:35 <_michl> suseROCKs: right 18:57:35 no 18:57:42 we don't even get it to vote. 18:57:42 because we're thankfully to legal aware of it 18:57:51 suseROCKs: of course. why not? 18:57:53 our only votes are specifically on "opensuse" and related logos 18:57:55 one process... 18:58:15 we simply don't touch that 18:58:21 proposal: once the mail got in, board members have 7 days to vote +/-, then votes are counted and we reject/accept 18:58:25 sounds good? 18:58:35 -1 18:58:42 7 days is a dream 18:58:45 except the 7 days thingee won't fly ;) 18:58:51 yeah 18:58:54 <_michl> rhorstkoetter: good propsal but reality tells a different story 18:58:59 how many of our emails currently don't get answered within ourselves? 18:59:02 or, how long then? 18:59:11 14 days? 18:59:11 7 months :-) 18:59:14 lol 18:59:19 lets just throw them into retro 18:59:21 that'd be opensuse style 18:59:23 so they don't get lost 18:59:31 anyone volunteering for this? 18:59:36 rhorstkoetter, we did pretty well last time, just had to do reminders to each other 18:59:41 henne: and then they get feet over time like the members? 18:59:45 but our format was similar to membership voting format in board wiki 19:00:00 rhorstkoetter: we need to do that then... 19:00:04 * _michl volunteers for trademarke approval 19:00:07 and when each of us has time, we scan the list and vote up or down throughought the list. 19:00:20 * prusnak putting furniture and intranetware requests in retro 19:00:22 rhorstkoetter: we of course can set unrealistic timelines and ignore them anyway if that makes you feel better :) 19:00:29 <_michl> volunteer here means I take care and push you guys 19:00:37 okay 19:00:49 like before, _michl :-) 19:00:54 suseROCKs: while I see a mess coming as with members, fine by me, let's do it without timeline in retro then 19:01:05 so _michl puts trademark approval requests into retro 19:01:07 we just spent a lot of time here re-inventing the wheel to do exactly as we did before. :-) 19:01:12 * prusnak done 19:01:14 everyone votes 19:01:31 suseROCKs: nah we just re-kickstart it : 19:01:33 ) 19:01:37 rhorstkoetter, the mess in membership was because of the sheer numbers. trademarks easy to spend just 5 minutes per month 19:01:45 -> http://retro.opensuse.org/projects/board-work/tickets 19:01:58 suseROCKs: that's a valid point 19:01:58 tickets have [AskPermission] summary prefix 19:02:07 prusnak: great, thx 19:02:28 guys, please don't forget that yaloki has an AI which he admitted he forgot last time, to follow up with legal about whether we can make the trademark requests public 19:02:40 prusnak, is the board retor publicly visible now? 19:02:47 no its not 19:02:50 no 19:02:54 ok 19:02:57 and i guess we should drop the public request 19:03:03 and just vote 19:03:03 <_michl> henne: +1 19:03:11 otherwise we will discuss to death with some lawyers 19:03:19 agreed 19:03:19 no fun 19:03:49 +1 19:04:19 k 19:04:23 next topic? 19:04:25 ok so we move on, 19:04:29 please 19:04:35 #topic Face 2 Face Meeting 19:04:54 i had the action item to come up with an agenda 19:05:09 <_michl> henne: and wait - you failed 19:05:14 but i must say im generally with suseROCKs on this one 19:05:26 <_michl> henne: this is not acceptable 19:05:27 we can use our agenda from this meeting 19:05:44 <_michl> especially that you agree with suseROCKs 19:05:44 and add 2010 to it 19:05:52 I have to apologize (sent the info per mail already) but I have an appointment at uni on friday + I'm moving appartments from flensburg to darmstadt this weekend 19:05:56 yes, please keep actionable items short for the f2f and utilize it to focus on long term goals of the board 19:06:21 rhorstkoetter, the whole apartment or just the contents inside the apartment? :-) 19:06:27 I may be able to conference in for the board session though (friday 11am to 2pm) 19:06:37 suseROCKs: his corner-box 19:06:49 suseROCKs: the content + the girl inside the appartment 19:07:15 if you exclude girl from content ;) 19:07:30 the public thingee on the evening is taken care of right? 19:07:44 yes and today I will blog about it 19:07:59 suseROCKs: on news? 19:08:06 as soon as prusnak posts about the strategy letter. prusnak you'll post it on ML + on news? 19:08:33 henne, no. the draft that prusnak wrote should be on news, and then we all also blog/tweet/whatever about it 19:08:46 news + project ML 19:10:04 great. so my blog can link to prusnak's announcement 19:10:35 anything else to discuss ? 19:10:47 yeah. what about the non-internet part 19:10:51 _michl? 19:11:07 <_michl> hmm - the non-internet part? 19:11:30 <_michl> what's that? 19:11:31 there exists a non-internet in this world? 19:11:40 <_michl> article in a newspaper 19:11:42 <_michl> ? 19:11:56 well if you blog on news that you invite people to a nice sociable evening you should have something ready for a nice sociable evening 19:12:10 otherwise youre a bad host :) 19:12:21 <_michl> ah - yes 19:12:30 <_michl> that's handled by you henne 19:12:43 no its not 19:12:47 henne == mom 19:12:58 <_michl> we use the room down stairs, set up a machine 19:13:07 <_michl> giving 1 or 2 talks 19:13:12 uhh... do we really want to leave henne in charge of the beer? 19:13:17 We want to have some left for our guests! 19:13:18 <_michl> buying some stuff to drink and eat 19:13:24 <_michl> and socialise 19:13:43 ok 19:14:01 who is we? you and your chewing gum? 19:14:03 :) 19:14:14 <_michl> plus the few local guys we know (50k around NUE) will get a personal email for invitation 19:14:31 only 50K? 19:15:02 <_michl> henne: yey the chewing gum and me 19:15:20 <_michl> maybe I approach if necessary the awesome boosters team for support 19:15:33 k 19:16:28 so henne is in charge of refreshments? 19:17:17 _michl is more trustworthy 19:18:26 next topic? 19:18:40 henne, true but henne is more weekend-freethy 19:18:45 I think its a fair tradeoff :-D 19:20:41 wow... silence! Did henne fall asleep? 19:21:43 =-O 19:21:53 <_michl> suseROCKs: looks like yes 19:22:11 fieldtesting the beer maybe 19:22:14 :) 19:22:15 sorry. loo 19:22:29 rhorstkoetter, is it really fieldtesting if you empty the can or bottle? 19:22:43 i have little interest in the event so i would like _michl to prepare it 19:22:45 suseROCKs: can 19:23:17 i'm tired of 1-week ahead planing of those... 19:23:20 :) 19:23:29 henne, I have great interest in sitting down and chatting with you sociably that evening 19:23:35 <_michl> henne: tss,ts little interest 19:23:45 and there's not much prep needed. tis a complyetely socialable event. No pretenses. 19:24:12 suseROCKs: to make it socialable you have to 19:24:15 1. move around chairs 19:24:21 2. care for beverages 19:24:21 * gnokii__ sends henne a lot of likor 19:24:30 3. setup machines 19:24:44 we help! 19:24:53 4. make everything ready by 6 19:25:00 <_michl> next topic 19:25:01 4. care for 500 hectoliter beer 19:25:02 5. be there and take care of problems 19:25:08 6. clean up 19:25:37 next topic. 19:25:42 k 19:26:02 #topic Questions & Answers 19:26:27 I have something to say here . 19:26:32 are there any general questions from the channel? 19:26:33 I just want to make sure you all know that I will be generally incommunicado beginning this weekend until I see you all on Friday 19:26:47 SJ: go ahead please :) 19:26:58 henne, thank you 19:27:05 Before I say what I have to , let me make it clear - i dont point personal , no offense,I am not aware of Novell terms.Just what I feel is to be done.You guys definelty know more than me-so you decide,Anyway :-) ,So I kind of feel that the Board should think beyond softwares and related things (good if its doing so).I think that because 19:27:24 <_michl> we should give trademark to stuff which has relation with openSUSE or at least software 19:27:24 <_michl> furniture doesn't have those ties 19:27:56 Again , I may be wrong.But my viewpoint here :-) 19:29:09 Did I say something wrong , If so please let me know. 19:29:45 SJ, no you did not say anything wrong. You expressed an opinion, as is your right and as we expect our members to do 19:30:00 and your viewpoints are duly noted 19:30:11 suseROCKs, glad to hear that , thanks :-) 19:30:17 Also this may be a good topic to be discussed in F2F meeting.Or may be for the boosters.Thank you. 19:30:26 <_michl> SJ you mean this case in specific or is there more "beyond softwares..." 19:30:28 <_michl> ? 19:30:29 I am done. 19:31:26 _michl , nothing specific. more "beyond softwares..." . I just pointed your line , because I tought that , Board is dealing with only softwares 19:31:35 thought * 19:32:06 SJ: so you think furniture would be a good candidate to approve for example? 19:32:12 As I am not very much sure , because I recently started watching the board meetings 19:32:25 is that what you'd like to point out? as an example? 19:32:34 rhorstkoetter, Yeah 19:32:49 but there are other things too (just a note). 19:33:01 SJ: appreciated input, thx 19:33:19 your welcome and thank you all :-) 19:33:31 anything else? 19:33:38 no,I am done. 19:33:46 anyone else? 19:33:50 No i meant to everyone... anything else? 19:33:58 ^^ 19:34:09 * suseROCKs wonders who is possibly going to M&G on Friday 19:34:50 * prusnak me :) 19:35:30 ok let's wrap up! 19:36:12 okidoki 19:36:18 #endmeeting