19:00:51 #startmeeting 19:00:51 Meeting started Fri Jul 27 19:00:51 2012 UTC. The chair is warlordfff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 19:01:17 #topic Have the ambassador done write up on they blog/social media groups 19:01:17 about 12.2 and what coming out? All this stuff needs to be done . 19:01:35 So 19:02:17 what are your thoughts? 19:02:53 actually I gouess we should wait for the Release notes in order to discuss that 19:02:57 but 19:03:04 I wrote in my twitter @duddatech, and refer to @openSUSE. 19:03:30 what we usually do is use all sociall media to spread the word to the world 19:03:53 Eduaraujo: yeap that is the way 19:04:18 also use Facebook, linkedin G+ or whatever else you have 19:04:41 I've already started using my blog to write guides on topics I think people might find important for 12.2 - like my article on battery life. I plan on doing more of that and my usual on twitter and now G+ 19:04:50 a nice thing to do is use your local communities profile in all that 19:05:02 I'll start a blog to share the openSUSE news. 19:05:04 like we in Greece use openSUSE-el 19:05:20 also blogging is necessary 19:05:46 for now we can say things like openSUSE 12.2 is comming 19:05:53 and other similar stuff 19:05:59 yep. 19:06:16 working the Beta or the RC edition would help you to expose some of the new features 19:06:54 generally what we need to make as ambassadors is make a lot of noise around about it 19:07:18 and when I say a lot, I mean A LOT 19:07:57 also a nice thing to do is speak to your local community people and have them help you with all that 19:08:22 posters can be helpful too. 19:08:24 both in English but also in your native langouage too since not everybody speaks English 19:08:43 I believe we will have posters but this will be after the release 19:09:05 ask for promo material and spread it around 19:09:14 think outside the box 19:09:20 this is really important 19:09:40 a non-official version... svg of 12.1 with some changes. 19:09:58 I believe we have 12.2 artwork 19:10:07 Ilmehtar: ? 19:10:11 do we? 19:10:24 there is a ton of artwork in the github repo, let me just get the URL 19:10:36 github.com/openSUSE/branding 19:10:48 sorry for that guys but I am still a bit hangovered from last night and my RAM is really slow and limited :D 19:11:13 tux93: any possible questions? 19:11:21 we dont have much derivative stuff yet, we need to update the slides and other promotional materials in https://github.com/openSUSE/artwork to make use of the 12.2 branding 19:11:32 that's something I have on my radar for the gap between RC2 and release 19:11:47 posters create a nice visual effect... 19:11:48 oh Ilmehtar when slides will be available you think? 19:11:59 ok 19:12:13 I know that's al ittle later than I'd like but I'm splitting my time (much more limited than last release) between bug testing, gnome stuff, and this stuff :) 19:12:22 we can use the backround of 12.2 for posters 19:12:28 I might try and get the slides done tomorrow though 19:12:32 warlordfff: no, maybe a can ask rodger to get access to openSUSE page on g+ 19:12:51 it's a great background to layer stuff ontop, it's very 'plain' compared to our 12.1 background though 19:13:12 I would incourage you to make local pages of openSUSE in G+ 19:13:37 also a possibillity 19:13:42 that way you may atract more people into it 19:13:50 ok 19:13:52 it work for us 19:14:04 and AFAIK it work for the Spanish too 19:14:30 also speaking your native langouage is better for most local users 19:14:45 :D 19:15:24 anything else around Social media? 19:15:45 not from my side 19:16:01 Youtube channel would be fine... 19:16:28 yeap 19:16:31 local channels... 19:16:34 who'd make the videos for it? 19:16:37 you can use youtube channel 19:16:46 mmm 19:16:48 video content isn't exactly something we've ever seen much of from our community 19:16:57 the ambassadors 19:17:21 someone who is great at video editing, is an artist and he is British? :D 19:17:30 record the videos... 19:17:50 well we can be seen from now on 19:17:53 saying what is cool about openSUSE... 19:17:58 we can always make a fresh start 19:18:11 Eduaraujo: +1 19:18:42 so who wants to try and make a promo video for 12.2? 19:18:54 maybe more than one person 19:19:11 who is willing to take that task? 19:19:26 today, even cell phones shoot video in a good resolution... 19:19:43 well editing is the problem here as I see it 19:20:05 warlordfff, you should contact mfoxdogg, he created a video on blender for intros for the distro videos. Maybe he can take it further 19:20:09 but a camcorder is better 19:20:21 I have some ideas but honestly, I have a lot on my plate 19:20:31 It is a problem. 19:20:41 anditosan: can you send me an email with his contact and some more details? 19:20:46 phew, good thing I'm not an artist and no good at video editin 19:20:58 (forgive the lag in my replies - watching the Olympic opening ceremony) 19:20:59 warlordfff: share your ideas, maybe someone can grab them 19:21:11 tux93: you are right 19:21:20 he will be available in a couple of hours at #opensuse-artwork 19:21:33 also victorhck did some trials with blender as well 19:21:55 anditosan: my mind is mushed up and what I don't see in e-mail I loose it :s 19:22:09 so ideas 19:22:38 the youtube idea would make A LOT of noise 19:22:57 ok, I will mention it to him 19:23:03 but editing is a problem 19:23:04 I don't know his email, that's why 19:23:06 i was thinking in making something where many ambassadors and developers will speak in fron of the cammera giving details for the new edition and at the same time showing that to the video 19:23:49 ok 19:24:17 anditosan: ok in that case I will try to be later in opensuse-artwork and talk with him, also we could continue that video thing to tha mailing list 19:24:28 what do you thing? 19:24:31 what do you think? 19:24:35 yeah, and also right now you should talk to Zanqdo 19:24:39 at artwork as well 19:24:45 he is a professional animator 19:25:15 well i will be at artwork channel and you can tell me there what to do, is that ok with you anditosan? 19:25:31 yes, come in right now and I will introduce you 19:25:40 not right now 19:25:44 after the meeting 19:25:47 :D 19:25:58 not feeling so multitasking today :s 19:26:13 anditosan: will you be around? 19:26:23 I will yes 19:26:28 lol 19:26:39 is there someone else who would like to take that task from me? 19:26:58 tux93: maybe you? 19:27:03 nope. 19:27:39 come on guys I am a poor, timeless firefighter 19:27:44 tux93: maybe you? 19:28:01 Ilmehtar: you? 19:28:11 anyone 19:28:28 you want me to beg? LoL 19:28:53 warlordfff: take what task? video? no, I seirously have NO interest in video at all 19:29:05 ok :( 19:29:12 so 19:29:26 should we move on to the next subject? 19:30:15 3 19:30:18 yes, bring the video-subject back up on the ml, i'll think about it 19:30:27 ok 19:30:32 we have a winner 19:31:01 you want me to crash and burn don't you? :D 19:31:02 tux93: maybe i will also tell the guys to talk with you, I believe I have your e-mail 19:31:24 everyone on the ml has it 19:31:35 tux93: not exactly :D I am just trying not to crush myself 19:31:43 thanks 19:32:01 so should we move on? 19:32:05 3 19:32:08 2 19:32:10 1 19:32:12 ok 19:32:27 #topic When press DVD will be our for 12.2. Until when will the Gold Master be ready for download, please torrent it. That way we can seed and getting to all the ambassadors faster. When can we make orders for parties. 19:33:04 Now AFAIK Media are usually out a week or so after the release 19:33:31 but seeding torrents would be great 19:33:34 that seems more like a general marketing question to me rather than ambassador one..and that'll be something to speak to AJ about - certainly nothing we can do..we're at the whim of our SUSE sponsors when it comes to press DVD's 19:33:56 actually Ilmehtar you are 100% right 19:34:29 but if someone has any questions here we could answer 19:34:52 anyone? 19:35:09 does everybody knows how to order media? 19:35:39 http://software.opensuse.org/promodvd 19:35:46 here it is just in case 19:36:34 and remember to ask for stickers, and everything else also 19:37:15 we depend on this to make our requests for marketing materials. 19:37:18 does anyone had any kind of problems ordering stuff from there? 19:37:58 who of you have actually ordered stuff from there? 19:38:09 * tux93 has 19:38:26 Eduaraujo: you? 19:38:47 I heard of some problems the Brazilians had with Customs 19:39:06 are those problems over? 19:39:17 do you happen to know? 19:39:34 I wrote to AJ and he said that applications should be made after the release because they are out of stock at the moment. 19:39:48 yeap, that is true 19:40:20 I still have 100 out of 2000 I got though but some LUG asked for more so ... 19:40:35 oh 19:40:39 an idea 19:41:08 you people could write an upgrade How-to in your native langouage 19:41:16 everybody should do that 19:41:37 what do you think? 19:42:46 +1, i guess best place would be wiki 19:43:14 yeap 19:43:20 I haven't nothing. In september I'll make my application. 19:43:37 do you have a translation team for your local wikis? 19:43:53 Eduaraujo: ? 19:44:00 no. 19:44:04 haven't done nothing? on what? 19:44:37 marketing materials. 19:44:51 ok 19:45:08 you can co-operate with the other Brazilians 19:45:16 you guys are doing great there 19:45:18 ok. 19:45:43 but you could write a How-to in Portuguese 19:45:47 :) 19:46:08 about the upgrade from 12.1 to 12.2 19:46:48 anything else on that? 19:46:56 ok. 19:47:30 Our team is in deficit, the ambassadors listed on the map there are few that are active. 19:47:40 classic 19:48:07 that is why me and Ilmehtar are working in a new ambassador program those days 19:48:10 I always communicate with Izabel. 19:48:18 actually for a year and more 19:48:22 yeap 19:48:34 Izabel is the best you can find 19:48:48 she is. 19:48:48 also Luiz Machado is doing Great work 19:48:52 yup 19:48:57 and Carlos 19:49:19 arg, I love most of the Brazilians so don't get me start 19:49:23 :D 19:49:56 anyway if this subject is over we could move on 19:50:04 what do you think? 19:50:41 3 19:50:45 2 19:50:47 1 19:50:57 #topic 12.2 launch party 19:51:06 oups my favourite 19:51:09 :D 19:51:16 so any plans anyone? 19:51:40 we had 6 party for 12.1 19:51:41 no plans from me, release week is the worst week of the year for me at work ;-) 19:51:54 well you can do it later 19:51:58 I guess a big release party in Prague!!! 19:52:09 diamond_gr: yeap ;-) 19:52:35 when's the 12.2 release? 19:53:05 I think 4th of September 19:53:08 diamond_gr: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap 19:53:18 5th of Sep, according to that. 19:53:37 oh 19:53:41 lost a day 19:53:44 :) 19:53:44 :) 19:53:50 * diamond_gr Dominian are you sure ;-) he he 19:54:15 I'm not sure of anything, I just go by what is published officially by the openSUSE project. That link is to their Roadmap 19:54:18 * Dominian shrugs 19:54:23 I just wonder about 12.3 but it is still to early for that 19:55:03 I am planning a big release party in my city. But we depend on the mail delivery of our marketing material... 19:55:28 well there is that too 19:56:00 but this should not be a problem 19:56:07 is there anything special to consider when planning besides having enough install-media? 19:56:18 you can make a presentation and spread the .ISO by USB 19:56:31 tux93: well 19:56:42 warlordfff: in which month you think it's the better?? 19:56:42 we don't base the Parties to the media 19:56:49 we make real parties 19:57:01 guys, it's a party. you go to drink beers, have a cake. 19:57:03 Celebrating the new edition of the software 19:57:14 diamond_gr: +! 19:57:18 diamond_gr: +1 19:57:29 media? anyone can download the ISO, install it 19:57:35 Eduaraujo: every month is perfect for a party 19:57:48 or get the promodvd from an event 19:58:00 what we do is drink beers and talk to people about the new edition 19:58:06 mostly 19:58:20 having people relaxed is easier to be heard 19:58:30 at least in our culture 19:58:50 adjust this to your culture, this is really importand 19:59:21 just because it works for us doesn't mean anything actually, but think outside the box 19:59:46 do it your way, not the usual way, if you know what I mean 20:00:02 give the Release party your signature 20:00:26 The openSUSE PRoject is both the people and the software 20:00:39 warlordfff: I am saying that taking into account the delay in mail delivery in relation to the month of release. 20:00:58 yeap, I got you Eduaraujo 20:01:16 you can have a release party even 5 months later 20:01:33 ok 20:01:41 the thing is to have people around to talk about the new Release 20:02:04 ok the 1st week would be perfect burt any day is Great 20:02:39 the thing is to spread the word everywere 20:02:51 have more than one Party 20:03:15 find other people to organise Release Parties and send them material if you have 20:03:45 ask LUGs and Hackerspaces to organise parties too 20:04:15 we have great Software so i don't think that someone will say no to you 20:04:50 you don't have to do it all by yourself 20:05:03 asking help is good 20:05:13 ok 20:05:21 :D 20:06:20 half of the parties we made in Greece was organised by LUGs and other community members 20:06:45 people like to know new things 20:08:02 new things are welcome everywhere... 20:08:15 yeap, you got the meaning ;-) 20:08:29 so give people new things 20:08:46 give those who don't know openSUSE 20:08:58 ;-) 20:09:10 anything else to this? 20:09:15 oh 20:09:23 almost forgot it 20:10:01 Ilmehtar - anditosan are we going to have any Release Party Posters? 20:10:30 is important to get people to enchant. 20:10:32 and delight when we overcome people's expectations. 20:10:40 yeap 20:11:48 Ilmehtar: ? 20:12:04 warlordfff: dude, i'm not really an artist, I'm far more of an implementer - taking folks artwork and making it work in the distro..I'm not the right person to ask. 20:12:16 :( 20:12:25 anditosan: ? 20:13:03 so let's do what nobody has thought before, that is thinking outside the box. 20:13:29 yeap 20:14:00 have we a preview of the 12.2 artwork? 20:14:51 Ilmehtar: gave a link before I think, in the start of the meeting 20:15:07 like wallpaper, GUI?? 20:15:14 http://github.com/openSUSE/branding this is where all the branding packaging is put together 20:15:28 ok, thanks 20:16:46 move to the next one? 20:17:02 please, I need to get moving.. 20:17:07 #topic Wiki page where the ambassadors can post their launch party, dates,location. 20:17:37 now we had tha pages in the past 20:18:26 but you can also put your Parties in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors_events 20:18:49 I just cannot find the link to that other page, sorry 20:18:52 http://en.opensuse.org/Launch_party 20:19:09 tux93: you are a life saver dude, thanks :D 20:20:18 that has to be meaningfull coming from a firefighter 20:20:41 :D 20:21:12 tux93: are you going to be on osc12? 20:21:37 i hope so, but i'm not certain yet 20:21:57 I hope you will 20:22:09 the more the better 20:23:03 now should we move to the next subject? 20:23:16 let's go. 20:23:27 #topic openSUSE Summit and OSC12 20:23:46 anyone who would like to help knows how to do it right? 20:24:22 I plan to be at teh summit but as I haven't heard from the travel sponsorship team I haven't been able to book anything yet (and I'm terrified I wont be able to afford it as prices are rising now it's getting closer) 20:24:23 so nothing to tell about this actually 20:24:57 so lets go to the final topic about Travel fund 20:25:04 what do you think? 20:25:13 oki 20:25:22 right 20:25:43 #topic Travel fund for the ambassadors and address any questions on that. 20:25:49 ok 20:25:51 so 20:26:06 let me tell you a few things about this first 20:26:25 we have the money and we really want to spent it all 20:26:27 travel support applications deadline expired last week. 20:26:31 my biggest issue with the travel fund is that for events like the Summit, I worry that the process started too late, and is giving its answers so late that prices are going to be higher than originally quoted by the ambassadors - how will the fund deal with it if it an ambassador finds that they cant afford a significantly higher price because airfairs and accomodtion have increased during the del 20:26:31 ay? 20:27:00 wait please to finish those I would like to say and i will answer everything 20:27:53 so 20:28:15 We want to give everyone the change to come 20:29:01 but as it should be done, those who work and those who need the money should get them 20:29:10 trust me, this is not easy 20:29:40 but me and Izabel are really trying to make things right 20:29:47 so now hit me 20:29:49 :D 20:30:51 Ilmehtar: you might are right but the thing is to see what we can do from now on with this 20:31:09 I know it isn't easy buddy, I'm not suggesting it is, I'm purely raising an issue that could be a major point of concern..how are you going to deal with it if/when ambassadors find it's going to cost them more than they originally quoted for? 20:31:30 I know in my case I'm going to find it very difficult, especially at this brutally short notice, to find extra money to get myself to the summit 20:31:35 I know that, I also have a problem with it 20:32:03 warlordfff, it's just a matter of requesting them via the mailing list 20:32:36 anditosan: yeap but if we reach the limit of the money we must share the money the right way 20:33:28 now I guess we will reply soon to the people who asked money for the Summit 20:33:30 warlordfff: I think anditosan might be talking about your artwork requests :) 20:33:45 mmm 20:33:52 warlordfff: if I dont get a reply by the 30th, then I'm very stuck, because I am *required* to confirm whether I'm going or not by the 1st, because I'm meant to be a speaker 20:34:03 yeap 20:34:09 yes sorry, I was off for a minute 20:34:19 if it's about money matters, please talk to Jos 20:34:29 I thing that this will be setled in the weekend but honestly I cannot promise anything 20:35:05 anditosan: the reason that the TST was made was not to ask Jos 20:35:13 :D 20:35:21 also Jos is off those days 20:35:36 anyway 20:35:42 very dissapointing - what is the point of the programme if it takes so long we cant practically book travel and accomodation anyhow? and ends up causing knock on effects that prevent the smooth planning of the event itself? I'm not going to be popular if I say 'I dunno' if I can attend my own sessio nor not ;-) 20:36:27 this only happened in Summit 20:36:44 and again, we are trying and mistakes are done 20:37:05 for oSC it will be better I think 20:37:38 I don't think I'll be comfortably relying on it :-; 20:37:39 :-/ 20:38:11 I know dude and trust me that I totaly get you but I really cannot do nothing 20:38:12 I see 20:38:25 warlordfff: that's fine, if you can't, who can? 20:39:04 what I meant is that you have to wait for an answer 20:39:06 let's send it up the project ml 20:39:23 wait a minute please 20:39:44 ok 20:40:22 we will send replies on time 20:40:45 it is not 30th of July yet 20:40:57 so why the panic? 20:41:18 that was the plan from the beggining 20:41:35 my point is, the 30th of July, is still too short a time for an event that is going to have expensive travel like Summit 20:41:58 I get Ilmehtar but that does not mean anything, when you guys asked for sponsorship you read the scedule 20:42:17 the price I quoted for hotel and flight back when I first requested was 10% less than when I was allowed to quote again on the 20th of July, and now it's going to be the 30th before I get an answer and can start booking things 20:42:43 well it is still 1 and a 1/2 month earlier 20:42:48 the plan is the team will sponser 80%..will they sponser 80% of what I quoted, or 80% of what it actually costs me because the prices steadily go up the closer you get to travel dates? 20:43:07 and we made that announcement a month a go 20:43:12 because in the case of the summit, we're not talking about a few quid, but potentially several hundred pounds more that I'll ahve to find 20:43:23 why didn't you reacted back then? 20:43:44 the anouncement was made by Jos at 26/6 20:43:45 Because I didn't realise quite how much and how aggressively Flights and hotel prices would increase within 8 weeks 20:43:56 and that's my point 20:44:02 there is a fatal flaw in the current procedure 20:44:07 well there in nothing I can do for that 20:44:10 we're not allowed to book until we get a yes/no from the team 20:44:16 well 20:44:34 but once we do yet a yes/no, will the Ambassador be expected to cover the additional costs that have been incurred due to the length the process took? 20:44:35 you are right 20:44:50 next time we will try to make it better 20:45:00 but for now, thats it 20:45:03 or will the sponsership programme be able to cover the increased costs, not the costs originally quoted by the ambassador? 20:45:19 nop 20:45:32 that is written in the TSP 20:45:42 again 20:45:45 show me where 20:45:57 you did not knew it, how could we know it? 20:46:11 wait please 20:46:23 my point is - the extra cost is caused by the delay, the schedule which the TSP is imposing 20:46:56 lets say the process was a 1st-come, 1st served process, you'd get a much faster answer, and ambassadors would be able to book without having to shoulder MORE than 20% because of the increases in travel prices as events get closer 20:47:34 Remember! 20:47:34 If your ticket or travel gets more expensive after an amount has been confirmed, the excess will not be reimbursed 20:47:41 this is it 20:47:59 again 20:48:03 then I think the TSP programme needs to be reworked to give much faster answers 20:48:06 there was not a single delay 20:48:43 the schedule is a 'delay'..you had ambassdors (me) ready to book weeks before I was 'allowed' to even put in my request 20:48:43 you all knew when you will get an answer 20:48:56 and I'm still left hanging, not knowing if I can go, and now not knowing if I can even afford to go 20:48:57 again you all knew when you will get an answer 20:49:08 as I see flight and accomodtion get higher and higher.. 20:49:27 that doesn't change the fact that it would be MUCh cheaper for me, as an ambassador, if I could get an answer much faster 20:49:44 you are maybe right that this might be a bit late but this was the way it was planned and nobody said anthing before 20:50:15 I still don't get where we dissagree 20:50:27