14:01:06 #startmeeting openSUSE 12.1 launch checkin 14:01:06 Meeting started Wed Nov 9 14:01:06 2011 UTC. The chair is AJaeger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:01:15 #chair suseROCKs jospoortvliet 14:01:15 Current chairs: AJaeger jospoortvliet suseROCKs 14:01:42 WElcome everybody to the final check-in meeting for the openSUSE 12.1 launch! 14:02:01 Is everybody awake? LEt's ping the usual suspects 14:02:03 final? 14:02:20 * izabelvalverde awake 14:02:32 ping jospoortvliet, suseROCKs, warlordfff, yaloki manugupt1 izabelvalverde kkemenczy Ilmehtar differentreality AlanClark bear454 ... 14:02:38 WElcome warlordfff and izabelvalverde! 14:02:45 :) 14:02:47 * AlanClark is waking 14:02:48 ;-) 14:02:57 warlordfff: Next Wednesday is the release - so this is the last meeting before it. 14:03:07 ok 14:03:45 heya all 14:04:04 o/ 14:04:45 We go again through the wiki list: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_Checklist 14:04:58 #topic Marketing Activities 14:05:06 jospoortvliet: Can you lead this one, please? 14:05:14 AJaeger: yeah 14:05:17 sec 14:05:24 5 is done BTW 14:05:31 so 14:05:47 hey guys.. I'm here. Sorry I overslept. drugs knocked me out pretty good yesterday 14:05:49 let's start with the numbers 14:05:56 suseROCKs: aw any good stuff? 14:06:03 :D 14:06:06 the announcements are out (1 and 2) 14:06:13 3 is pretty ok right now 14:06:19 jospoortvliet, I have final approval! knives are alowed to cut my eyes! Whoo hoo! :-D 14:06:19 4 is ongoing... 14:06:23 warlordfff: please forward 12 to me, I'm not on the translation ML but I can do french+german 14:06:28 suseROCKs: good! 14:06:48 aj is on the production of the DVD's, we've got money and a decision on where and how many 14:06:53 we will create 40.000 DVD's 14:06:58 that is 10.000 more than last year! 14:07:00 yaloki: ok although i think i have both languages covered 14:07:02 * jospoortvliet waits for applause 14:07:11 klap klap 14:07:12 warlordfff: oh ok, please check and if not, I can do it 14:07:18 * suseROCKs sits on his hands :-D 14:07:22 jospoortvliet: count 20k just for fosdem :D 14:07:22 yaloki: ok thanks man 14:07:26 no applause, too bad. OK... moving on 14:07:31 jospoortvliet: cool beans :) 14:07:32 yaloki: actually last year only 800 14:07:41 we will create 10K dvd's for Asia 14:07:43 jospoortvliet: yeah was somewhere around 1k iirc 14:07:43 yaloki: We're selling them at FOSDEM for 20 EU each ;) 14:07:47 quick question... Are we doing DVDs for the other desktop orgs? 14:07:47 (almost twice what we did last year) 14:07:53 AJaeger: that's more expensive than beer, won't work :) 14:07:55 suseROCKs: no not this year 14:08:03 ok 14:08:05 suseROCKs: Not again - was too much hassle last time. 14:08:11 suseROCKs: wasn't exactly a HUGE success. KDE wasn't interested, GNOME didn't manage to hand them out very well 14:08:19 suseROCKs: Only makes sense if the desktops can use it for promotion, timing is not good right now. 14:08:36 agreed 14:08:43 so again. we have 10K dvd's for Asia, 15K in Europe, 15 in the Americas (north and south) 14:08:47 GNOME dvd's was good after ours finished :D 14:09:01 that is considerably more than we had last time in each area except for europe 14:09:07 this time I will need around 2500 for Greece 14:09:22 jospoortvliet 10K Brazil!!!! 14:09:27 :D 14:09:37 warlordfff: you won't get that many I think, it is really a bit too much. they are a bit too expensive. izabelvalverde will get 5-7 K for all of South America... 14:09:38 beause we had 500 of Gnome and we gave thm too 14:09:40 jospoortvliet, 1 suseROCKs's house! 14:09:55 jospoortvliet: Let's send them all the stuff and I'm very quickly out of media in Germany - far less hassle to send it out ;) 14:09:58 jospoortvliet is enough ;) 14:10:22 we have to be a bit more efficient with giving away ppl, they are not to be used to keep your cups from touching the table - they DO cost money :D 14:10:29 quite a bit, if you count in the transportation. 14:10:31 anyway 14:10:39 the second part of the DVD creation is the OTHER GOODIES. 14:10:47 we will create flyers, posters and more things 14:10:55 each area will have to take care of that themselves, I'm talking to people 14:11:01 Europe still has stuff 14:11:07 The USA will create mostly posters and flyers 14:11:16 jospoortvliet: I am lat for the posters, can i sendthem to you tommorow? 14:11:22 Asia and Brazil will create posters, flyers AND some goodies, probably geeko's 14:11:29 warlordfff: yes, please 14:11:40 warlordfff: but even better if you check them into github yourself! 14:11:42 :D 14:11:56 by the end of this week we will have a new version of our flyer 14:12:00 i will try jospoortvliet 14:12:07 * warlordfff newbie on Github 14:12:11 which will have been made by some pro's paid by SUSE (thank you SUSE) 14:12:30 ah nice 14:12:31 it can then be translated so we can have spanish, portugese and english in the Americas 14:12:39 and a few languages in europe and asia too 14:12:42 Greek too 14:12:45 que bueno 14:12:46 we still need to figure out what we can do and what it costs 14:12:48 ;-) 14:12:55 jospoortvliet: and what rights we have 14:13:06 rights? 14:13:11 jospoortvliet: like, translating into other languages and printing them locally (e.g. in greek for warlordfff) 14:13:16 if you create more flyers they are way cheaper each, and more languages means less flyers for each so less flyers in total. It's a difficult choice... 14:13:35 jospoortvliet: sure, but some might want to find funding for printing them locally 14:13:35 less is better here 14:13:38 yaloki: that can work but problem is that prices go up to 1 euro each while if you create say 10.000 they are more like 5 cents each 14:13:54 jospoortvliet: I know, I didn't mean that you or SUSE should produce them in 20 languages ;) 14:14:02 yaloki: true 14:14:09 jospoortvliet: but have to make sure it's under e.g. a CC license for local customization 14:14:12 yaloki: So, you ask whether the flyers are under a license that allows translation? 14:14:19 yaloki: Agreed! 14:14:21 AJaeger: well, yes, and modification and reuse and.. 14:14:32 anyway, that's the situation with materials. we will try to get this ready around the release date so release parties which are planned 2 weeks or more after the release can get some of the new stuff! 14:14:42 yaloki: of course it will all be CC licensed 14:14:45 and go into git :D 14:14:52 cool 14:14:59 perfect then, just making sure, it must be addressed with those pros in the contract :) 14:15:04 * izabelvalverde Jos in love for git 14:15:23 izabelvalverde: no but we don't have a better solution now and GitHub is pretty OK 14:15:26 moving on 14:15:35 point 5: release parties 14:15:36 done 14:15:48 warlordfff: I hope we can count on you to keep drumming on that with the ambassadors :D 14:15:50 * AJaeger updates the wiki 14:15:53 we need a 2nd article on this! 14:15:55 AJaeger: thanks 14:16:16 jospoortvliet: yeap we have Ilmehtar here for that too 14:16:20 so 14:16:29 count on us 14:16:57 I will follow warlordfff to know how to do it here 14:17:09 warlordfff: prior to the release. see see http://ietherpad.com/sked 14:17:11 anyway 14:17:16 warlordfff: awesome 14:17:19 ok moving on. 14:17:25 so about the release parties we are planning 5 14:17:33 warlordfff: 5 in Greece? 14:17:40 yeap 14:17:40 6: the presentations 14:17:47 different cities 14:17:48 we're almost done! 14:18:00 almost setled 14:18:03 thanks to Ilmehtar and anditosan we have a template and updated presentations. 14:18:11 the only one to be done is the final one about the openSUSE 12.1 release. 14:18:22 I plan to do that this weekend, hopefully... 14:18:26 otherwise monday or so. 14:18:30 AJaeger: about the release parties lets talk in the end 14:18:47 warlordfff: or via email depending on timing 14:18:54 ok 14:19:12 jospoortvliet what can I do to help? 14:19:15 do we have a timetable for when the dvd's will be available in US, Brazil, ....? We want to hold the Utah release party when we have the 12.1 dvds 14:19:18 on 7, the sneak peek. Articles about what's coming in openSUSE: sorry. I have not been able to do anything as the product_highlights took way too much work. manugupt1 is working on a systemd article but otherwise, we have nothing. Any help is appreciated! you can use the product highlights. 14:19:35 do we have 12.1 templates for presentations? 14:19:35 izabelvalverde: helping to write a sneak peek article would be awesome 14:19:38 warlordfff: yes 14:19:43 thnks 14:19:55 jospoortvliet deadline? 14:20:18 AlanClark: see the release party article: the plan for DVD's is to start sending them out in the release week, that means if your party is 2 weeks or after the release it will probably get them in time. 14:20:36 AlanClark, I think that having a party in Provo would be critical for marketing/publicity purposes, and waiting few more weeks until the DVDs arrive would take away that publicity opportunity 14:20:39 izabelvalverde: well we need several articles going up to the release. Preferaby one per day but that's impossible :D 14:20:49 so dead line is say one this week, 1 next week for example... 14:20:57 depends on how much time you have... 14:21:00 AJaeger: any idea when the dvd will be in Greece? 14:21:16 not much - LinuxCon and brazilian meeting ;) 14:21:17 izabelvalverde: you can pic the "under the hood" part and turn that into an article, then do the Desktops one. 14:21:18 warlordfff: Once we start production, I can tell you. 14:21:25 ok, thanks 14:22:15 suseROCKs: AlanClark: about the release party dates: people have been saying to me they like release parties a few weeks later so they have a chance to check out the new release... 14:22:18 anyway, not important 14:22:20 let's move on 14:22:28 8 the product highlights 14:22:31 that's our biggest problem 14:22:36 they are NOT complete and far from done 14:22:43 and they MUST be done today 14:22:49 as tomorrow I have to send them to the press 14:22:54 I want to work on it 14:22:56 as we promised them 14:23:06 yeap translators are grumpy too about it 14:23:06 izabelvalverde: that's awesome, I hope you have time tonight :D 14:23:07 just later today will be possible 14:23:11 warlordfff: I know 14:23:14 suseROCKS, jospoortvliet: People want the dvds. Last time we held the party before we had the dvds. We want to try with the dvds this time. 14:23:16 tonight sure ;) 14:23:23 cool 14:23:34 help is welcome on http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes 14:23:47 once that is done, I can do 9: the release announcement 14:23:59 yeaaaaaaaah 14:24:07 I will make a draft, ask for help here on IRC (tonight) and let some pro's from SUSE look at it 14:24:23 jospoortvliet: we can split product highlights in a smaller articles similar to portal and work on parts 14:24:25 remember Amie from the marketing meeting at oSC? she promised to help. 14:24:44 simon123: what does that accomplish? 14:24:59 jospoortvliet: we still expect notes from Amie ;-) 14:25:12 warlordfff: those are already referenced in http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_Checklist 14:25:17 jospoortvliet product highlights tonight sure but "under the hood" part not sure 14:25:18 http://ietherpad.com/2jE5Z40A3A 14:25:22 sh@t 14:25:25 jospoortvliet: easy to read and later easy to combine at will 14:25:26 ok sorry 14:25:28 jospoortvliet I have to go now 14:25:29 izabelvalverde: that is part of the highlights 14:25:45 simon123: the document is big but you can work in it with as many ppl as you want 14:25:46 let 14:25:51 please named what else i could work 14:25:54 let's not create confusion now and just finish it 14:26:07 izabelvalverde: any section that is empty... the only ones finished are webbrowser and office :D 14:26:08 ? 14:26:12 the desktops is almost done 14:26:30 but everything else, like server, developer tools, libraries, networking, security, it is all almost empty 14:26:35 those need work 14:26:49 ok 14:26:54 so later today 14:26:59 I need to go now 14:27:26 ttyl izabelvalverde thanks 14:27:36 BB izabelvalverde 14:27:41 back to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_Checklist 14:27:52 I will do 10 tomorrow 14:28:01 once we have the product highlights/release notes and the announcement 14:28:18 henne has started a press kit, content for that will basically be the product highlights and the announcement :D 14:29:08 jospoortvliet: Tell them that we'll send them a separate email with link with the ISOs once they're final 14:29:14 AJaeger: ok 14:29:15 jospoortvliet: where's henne placed that kit? 14:29:41 AlanClark: see http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Press_kit 14:31:37 jospoortvliet: are you still with us? 14:31:52 #info http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Press_kit 14:32:02 AJaeger: that shows what should be in a press kit. Is he going to gather the materials that the page suggests? 14:32:17 AlanClark: ASk him ;) 14:32:47 AJaeger: ok back 14:32:51 fighting with henne who is wasting time 14:32:54 instead of helping out 14:32:57 AJaeger, All I can see is CarlosRibeiro came on and jospoortvliet went silent. There's apparently very limited bandwidth down there :-) 14:32:58 anyway 14:33:40 number 12: 14:33:50 the announcement has to be finished, then it can be translated 14:33:57 I hope to have it finished tomorrow... 14:34:22 I volunteer to translate it into English 14:34:25 and you will have them at the next days 14:34:26 btw. if anybody wants to help jospoortvliet, just speak up! 14:34:42 then there is 14 14:34:43 suseROCKs: US, Scottish, Irish, or German English? 14:34:44 screenshots 14:34:50 there need to be a LARGE number of screenshots 14:34:54 AJaeger, suseROCKsian 14:35:00 which I can use in the Product Highlights and which we can give to the press 14:35:02 do you want Greek? 14:35:07 screednshots? 14:35:10 anyone up for making screenshots: please do so! 14:35:18 put them http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots_12.1 14:35:30 suseROCKS: go for a real challenge and translate it into Kings english ;-) 14:35:39 ok,in the next days I will 14:35:40 jospoortvliet, would it be not helpful to get screenshots from the GM itself (which supposedly will be this Friday)? 14:36:01 suseROCKs: shouldn't be different from what the latest factory snapshot... 14:36:11 ok 14:36:42 15 has nobody on it right now 14:36:50 * suseROCKs can't really help with screenshots/screencasts since his screen resolution is sooo off compared to everyone else's it would scare people off 14:36:51 the boosters said they might do it but I haven't seen anything 14:37:29 jospoortvliet, did you get any pingbacks when you reached out to the project ML and others a while ago? 14:37:45 suseROCKs: very little 14:37:47 jospoortvliet: I think we have extended systemd, long enoug 14:37:51 Sorry was off for dinner 14:38:01 manugupt1: put it in news.o.o pls 14:38:06 so we can publish it today :D 14:38:15 item16: the suse press release 14:38:22 will be no problem once we ahve the openSUSE one 14:38:32 17 and 18 - again, on track 14:38:46 19 and 20 same 14:38:48 done ! 14:38:54 ok 14:39:00 jospoortvliet: you have Amie helping with item 16? 14:39:05 I haave an article about Monday 14:39:23 about Local Communities 14:40:07 I have a request here 14:40:22 brb 14:40:31 AlanClark: she promised, I hope to send her a draft once it is done. Prio one is to get us a list of what's new in the openSUSE release so we can write a draft in the first place :D 14:40:35 at 13 we have a 1 year anivercary for the 1 meeting of the Greek community and i will write an article related to howw importand are local communitties for the project, what do you thing? 14:40:42 warlordfff: cool 14:41:52 anything else we can do? 14:41:57 Can anyone pick up my article on btrfs as there is a bug on my snapper and I cant work on it 14:43:40 back 14:44:09 anybody to write about btrfs and snapper? 14:45:25 nobody ;-( So, let'S move on. 14:45:29 * warlordfff think that this is too technical articles for himw so... 14:45:34 Anything else on Marketing Activities? 14:45:38 me 14:45:49 AJaeger: So if the bug on snapper is solved I will do it after the release 14:45:50 but local 14:46:00 manugupt1: ok. 14:46:11 manugupt1, is the bug yours lone or a general bug everyone is experiencing? 14:46:25 General everyone is expecting and it is also filed 14:46:52 I mean, if everyone is experiencing a non-workable snapper, should it be published then? 14:47:08 suseROCKs: Yes because it is a live cd problem not a dvd problem 14:47:15 ok 14:48:13 BTW we really have a great Distro to be released guys 14:48:17 but it should be noted in product highlights or somewhere definietely 14:48:21 ok I'd like to briefly talk about social media 14:48:57 manugupt1, if you know enough about snapper, maybe you can just write a section on it in the PH 14:49:16 I cannot write without testing it suseROCKs The info may just go wrong 14:49:25 There is no documentation on it too 14:49:30 * warlordfff hides whenever listens to Social Media 14:49:35 Let'S move on... 14:49:40 manugupt1, so even just a brief explanation about what it is? 14:49:47 #topic Social Media 14:49:54 suseROCKs: Will you lead through this one? 14:50:00 sure 14:50:06 suseROCKs: I will try it then later this week.. 14:50:08 suseROCKs, manugupt1 Let's disucss the article afterwards, please. 14:50:35 Ok.. 14:50:47 ok first of all AJaeger and I began working on SocNet planning yesterday. I was going to finish it up last night but unfortunately received more treatment than I expected at the dr's and couldn't do any work... 14:51:13 But will work on it immediately after this meeting. We have a wiki page that I need to review plus I will be drafting an email to send out ProjectWide askinig people to help out 14:51:28 Key factors affecting success of social media: 14:51:47 #info wiki page: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Social_media_launch_plan 14:51:52 1. We need lots of content from now through release day. (So the more articles you do, the more we can push out there) 14:52:17 already started that on G+ 14:52:21 2. We need many warm bodies to spread/repeat statuses 14:52:40 That involves two things... watching our news stuff and watching what people say and repeat them 14:53:02 we need people working a specific social media/network - if you want to be the Social XYZ master, speak up for linkedIn, Twitter, Identi.ca. Digg 14:53:08 so we need people who can take responsibility to monitor each of the sites. For example, I'll do Facebook, Twitter and Identi.ca 14:53:29 I will do local on that 14:53:34 and Stathis too 14:53:41 * manugupt1 will do on reddit 14:53:42 warlordfff, define "local" ? 14:53:48 Greek 14:54:01 but 14:54:11 ahh excellent point, we need to make sure the $language versions are monitored as well 14:54:37 if you write something to the ambassadors ML about it I could help other locals beyond Greeks 14:55:02 what do you think about it? 14:55:08 Another key factor is making it as easy as possible for our "army" to repeat things. One critical area is whether we should be adding more buttons to our news site. jospoortvliet you were going to discuss with henne on that. Any progress? 14:55:20 warlordfff, sure 14:55:31 I will wait then ;-) 14:55:53 warlordfff, expect an email by end of day today to rally up the masses 14:56:01 suseROCKs: we need a G+ button 14:56:12 on news 14:56:28 warlordfff, we definitely need several buttons. But apparently henne objects to that and Jos was going to talk to him to find out why 14:56:59 suseROCKs: about the buttons 14:57:07 the objections were: page load speed and clutter 14:57:15 which makes sense imho 14:57:21 we should think about what buttons we want and how 14:57:21 hm 14:57:32 well near th FB and Twitter button, how heavy can that be? 14:57:34 or find a more compact layout 14:57:36 moreover, the web interface is in git or something, I dunno where but we can change it ourselves 14:57:41 yaloki: exactly 14:57:44 warlordfff: potentially tons of javascript 14:58:00 ok 14:58:02 the page load time will also depend on the speed of all those buttons (images and javascript) 14:58:04 yaloki: I was thinking about that. It'd be great to have a nice, compact wordpress plugin with a bunch of social media thingies. 14:58:06 yaloki: Still G+ is important and its I guess like 5 lines of js 14:58:14 ok what if we decided on the most important ones? 14:58:24 manugupt1: Including loading javascript from Google, isn't it? 14:58:32 manugupt1: sure. But where do we draw a line... we now have the most important social network and the most important microblogging platform. 14:58:33 manugupt1: prolly a lot more, and then there is fb, twitter, g+, reddit, … 14:58:49 yaloki: reddit caters to 160 users 14:58:59 manugupt1: at least 170 14:59:01 anyway 14:59:02 manugupt1: prolly a lot more, and then there is fb, twitter, g+, … 14:59:02 :) 14:59:19 well we're out of time to discuss compact layouts 14:59:20 manugupt1: just saying, it needs a bit more thought I think :) 14:59:34 anyway, we can decide ourselves. But we have to think about it... 14:59:47 what we need to figure out is how to make it as easy as possible (without the technical issues) to get as many people as possible to simply repeat (retweet) as much as possible 15:00:10 that's going to go into my instructions in the email. 15:00:35 one account to funnel which we all follow, and we all re"tweet" from there 15:00:36 Since having an array of buttons is not technically feasible, I will have to come up with some other creative way that keeps the bar low for everyone 15:00:39 * jospoortvliet thinks our website just needs the right wordpress plugin but he has no idea about wordpress or plugins or where to find them 15:00:40 Well subscribe to google news 15:01:05 jospoortvliet: Plenty of them are available but are not used anyway lets not go into that again 15:01:17 yaloki, that part is not an issue as we'll have "masters" for each service. The issue is getting everyone else to do the same for their particular accounts 15:01:40 yep 15:01:53 anyway this requires some thought and let's not bog the meeting down with that now 15:01:55 Ok.. I have an idea regarding this 15:02:03 manugupt1: oh we can change the site, as I said, it is in git. So if we have the right plugin we can install it and use it... at least Henne said he wouldn't opose it :D which means the biggest problem is solved, then... 15:02:07 except to quickly her manugupt1's idea :-) 15:02:26 Subscribe google news for the openSUSE keyword to the openSUSE MArketing ML 15:02:50 what does that mean, manugupt1? 15:03:17 Well you can subscribe alerts at news.google.com for openSUSE and direct them to marketing ML 15:03:30 why? 15:03:34 jospoortvliet: Hmm.. 15:03:39 spaaaaaaaaaaaam 15:03:45 a major one 15:03:47 warlordfff: Usually I get a lot of press related news through it 15:03:49 manugupt1, oh the google alerts? You have to carefully choose your phrase or you'll get spammed. 15:04:04 +1 15:04:05 * suseROCKs no longer subscribes to "opensuse" alone as a google alert 15:04:39 Hmm.. openSUSE is not heavy traffic as ubuntu for sure 15:04:44 manugupt1: like I was called 3 days ago, spammer 15:04:45 manugupt1, but you do raise an excellent point that we have to monitor news sites 15:05:00 CarlosRibeiro: :) 15:05:14 I believe e all do that partly 15:05:37 by the way, I have some relatively good news :-D 15:05:53 CarlosRibeiro: is back :) 15:05:59 anyway maybe(don't tell Henne about it) make anothr list for that 15:06:14 suseROCKs: spit it 15:06:29 Last night, my mother, who doesn't really follow openSUSE news, told me she read on some tech news site about the upcoming 12.1 release. That means we are doing some good work that we are reaching beyond the standard choir. Good job guys! 15:06:46 well 15:06:48 manugupt1: yes, the new re-buiild Carlos is back, with some bug fixed and other to be fix ;D but I'm here again, to help as much as possible 15:06:49 WE DO 15:07:18 CarlosRibeiro improved edittion :D 15:07:28 2.0 15:07:29 warlordfff: +1 15:07:42 AlanClark: thanks 15:07:44 ok so I'll work on the SocNet stuff today and email everyone when we have it all ready 15:07:45 more bugs ;) 15:07:55 Again, volunteers to monitor each site is needed 15:07:59 and lots of articles is needed! 15:08:03 is tigerfoot around? 15:08:03 * Ilmehtar is now around - stupid internet 15:08:12 welcome Ilmehtar 15:08:27 tigerfoot will make an article about Bug reports he said 15:08:33 * jospoortvliet wonders if Ilmehtar broke the internet again and if that explains why ietherpad didn't work for a while :D 15:08:36 Ilmehtar ma man 15:08:42 suseROCKs: I can wirite some, but I'm focusing to translate all articles that apperars at news.o.o 15:08:53 suseROCKs: Anything else on social media? 15:09:03 CarlosRibeiro: ask local community for heelp man 15:09:11 to share all news over there with people that don't know english, only portugues 15:09:13 CarlosRibeiro, translation of articles in and of itself is perfect. Then those can be retweeted to those language audiences. You're doing valuable work there 15:09:33 increasing the visibility for the Portuguese audeience (notice I did not type Portugese??) 15:10:13 warlordfff: to early to ask something for my fellows here, I just back for less than week, so I need to pick each other again, but ok I will do that 15:10:17 warlordfff: I will use the Linus example :D 15:10:35 warlordfff: but don't count on it before the 21st November ... okay 15:10:35 cool tigerfoot 15:10:41 ok 15:10:52