14:06:23 <AJaeger> #startmeeting openSUSE 12.1 Status check-in 14:06:23 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Nov 2 14:06:23 2011 UTC. The chair is AJaeger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:06:23 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 14:06:34 <AJaeger> Let's give it a try again. 14:06:36 <AJaeger> Thanks suseROCKs! 14:06:42 <AJaeger> welcome everybody to this weeks 12.1 check-in meeting 14:07:02 <AJaeger> Launch of 12.1 is in two weeks and Coolo is on track with the release of RC2 tomorrow. 14:07:18 <AJaeger> But we do not have medias yet, so it might be late tomorrow... 14:07:29 <AJaeger> #chair jospoortvliet suseROCKs 14:07:29 <bugbot> Current chairs: AJaeger jospoortvliet suseROCKs 14:07:53 <AJaeger> Let's go through the launch check list at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_Checklist 14:08:03 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet, will you take the first item? 14:08:09 <AJaeger> #topic Marketing Activities 14:08:15 <suseROCKs> I suggest you post the announcement on Friday so that most of the mirrors are populated by then and people don't wonder why they reach deadend when they try to download immediately 14:08:17 <jospoortvliet> sec 14:08:44 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: If you go through the links from the announcement, it redirects only to mirros that have it. 14:08:56 <AJaeger> And yes, we only announce once enough mirrors have it ;) 14:09:12 <suseROCKs> which usually takes about 12 hours before 5 have it 14:09:42 <jospoortvliet> Ok let's go to the status of marketing activities 14:09:52 * suseROCKs thinks as a side note we should ask in the future that releases happen on Wed so we don't get hit with sub-optimal news day (Friday) too often 14:09:52 * AJaeger edits the wiki 14:10:09 <jospoortvliet> the big, limiting thing is the product highlights/release notes 14:10:23 <jospoortvliet> It's hard to say how far we are. Quite a few ppl have helped but it's a big thing. 14:10:30 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: not easy from an engineering side - let's discuss another time. 14:10:38 <suseROCKs> yes 14:10:45 <jospoortvliet> I have planned to work on it over the weekend, that should make a difference hopefully :D 14:11:04 <jospoortvliet> Meanwhile AJ and myself are working on something cool: 14:11:23 <jospoortvliet> we intend to try and send openSUSE 12.1 DVD's together with cool goodies to the release parties worldwide. 14:11:38 <jospoortvliet> that of course depends on them being not to early , release day is obviously not possible for us to make. 14:11:48 <jospoortvliet> think 2-4 weeks after the release as reasonable date... 14:11:58 <jospoortvliet> it's part of the article about release parties which hopefully goes out today. 14:12:04 <suseROCKs> what is your tentative expected date for when DVDs will be ready for shipments? 14:12:14 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: release day, approximately 14:12:25 <suseROCKs> Good show 14:12:39 <jospoortvliet> but shipping & handling takes anywhere from 1week (germany) to 4 weeks for USA, Brazil, most of Azia etc 14:12:59 <jospoortvliet> anyway 14:13:13 <jospoortvliet> to send these things out efficiently we're trying to distribute the sending out 14:13:35 <jospoortvliet> I'm talking to ppl in South america and Asia to get them to handle the 'local' shipping 14:13:36 <suseROCKs> "distribute the sending out" meaning? 14:13:44 <suseROCKs> ah 14:13:45 <jospoortvliet> we've already got europe and USA covered. 14:13:59 <suseROCKs> that would be a good thing. Something we've talked about for a long time 14:14:13 <jospoortvliet> however, while EU is stocked pretty OK on goodies, USA has no flyers, posters and the like and Asia and South America have nothing. 14:14:23 <jospoortvliet> so I am trying to secure some budget 14:14:27 <jospoortvliet> and let them create things 14:14:38 <jospoortvliet> part of that depends on... surprise... the flyer we've been trying to finish forever :D 14:15:03 <jospoortvliet> I took what we have now and have send it to SUSE Marketing, they will let a contracter finish it. It will hopefully be done somewhere next week. 14:15:32 <jospoortvliet> I will try to get the sources so we can translate it but 'worst case' we can send them the translations in a file and they will put 'em in 14:15:36 <jospoortvliet> then we have flyers to print 14:15:55 <jospoortvliet> next step: posters and the like. We have some, they are translatable too, so that is something I hope Kostas can help coordinate 14:16:01 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: ^ 14:16:35 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, I just achieved "Gold VIP" status with my local printer and they claim huge discounts on brochure printing. We should look into whether using them will save us some money and have some printed in US rather than shipped 14:16:37 <jospoortvliet> they can be printed too. I will make a list of what we have for Asia, Brazil and USA to pick from. In USA, I hope AlanClark will make the 'local' decisions on what's needed based on what's there 14:16:56 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: the idea is absolutely to print locally... 14:17:01 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: we only ship DVD's. 14:17:21 <jospoortvliet> same goes for things like t-shirts and other goodies: make it local. 14:17:43 <suseROCKs> ok I'll investigate the VIP pricing schedule and let you know this week if its a good deal compared to what you guys can find 14:17:47 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Local means bascially: Make it in several places. 14:17:53 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: yup 14:18:15 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: that would be: USA for some 'paper' (flyers, posters); Brazil and India/Taiwan: everything but DVD's :D 14:18:45 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, that may actually be a good thing. Gives us the opportunity to build vendor relationships in multiple places thus levaraging some buying power in the future 14:18:55 <suseROCKs> s/levaraging/leveraging/ 14:18:59 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: stop using such big words 14:19:04 <jospoortvliet> we just make stuff and give it away :D 14:19:11 <jospoortvliet> hehe 14:19:31 <jospoortvliet> anyway. that's about the release parties. 14:19:36 <jospoortvliet> in short: we hope to make them cooler than ever :D 14:19:46 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, bite my supercalifragilisticexpialidocious 14:20:09 <jospoortvliet> one thing I'm not sure about: what to do with the release parties which can't be supplied with DVD's on time. Do we send them something asap, AJaeger? 14:20:15 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: :D 14:20:36 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: I can send them something from Germany - but we don't have that much... 14:20:43 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, we need to know who will have early-on release parties and give them early release to GM. 14:20:53 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: not much, as in, does Nue need re-stocking too? 14:21:04 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: yeah that's on the release party plan page :D 14:21:27 <AJaeger> We have in Nuernberg enough of what we have - but without media I'm not sure it makes really sense to send out... 14:21:48 <suseROCKs> I wouldn't send stuff out either (unless you know its a really big event) 14:22:06 <suseROCKs> People know and expect that release day parties simply have limited means 14:22:08 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: 3 t-shirts, some stickers, flyers and 2 posters are pretty cool for a release party... But it does depend on how big it's expected to be. 14:22:31 <AJaeger> That'S something I can send 14:22:46 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: yup. Let's table this for now and figure it out later, OK? 14:22:54 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Agreed 14:23:18 <jospoortvliet> ok 14:23:31 <jospoortvliet> So that's about "making the release parties cool" 14:23:44 <jospoortvliet> about the other stuff 14:23:48 <jospoortvliet> the RC2 announcement is ready to go :D 14:23:56 <jospoortvliet> I'll coordinate with Coolo about the release time. 14:24:07 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Thanks 14:24:16 <jospoortvliet> yesterday we did an article about promoting openSUSE 14:24:24 <jospoortvliet> please point ppl to it :D 14:24:35 <Ilmehtar> (and my twitter followers increased by 20%..) 14:24:41 <AJaeger> Ilmehtar: Wow! 14:24:43 <jospoortvliet> Ilmehtar: goood :D haha 14:24:45 <jospoortvliet> congrats... 14:24:49 <jospoortvliet> so that worked :D 14:25:01 <Ilmehtar> yup :) 14:25:11 <jospoortvliet> meanwhile, anditosan has worked with me and Ilmehtar on the presentations 14:25:13 <jospoortvliet> updating them 14:25:38 <jospoortvliet> As soon as the product highlights are done I will make sure we have an 12.1 overview presentation 14:25:59 <jospoortvliet> otherwise, we're done there. We've got a great template (thanks Ilmehtar and anditosan!) and presentations. 14:26:08 <Ilmehtar> I did some slides covering some gnome specific highlights 14:26:28 <jospoortvliet> Ilmehtar: yeah, I'll re-use that, tnx :D 14:26:50 <jospoortvliet> for today we publish "organize launch parties" 14:26:57 <jospoortvliet> that one is 90% ready to go 14:27:22 <jospoortvliet> unfinished parts are related to "what to do with launch parties to early for getting DVD's" and how to create nice posters 14:27:33 <jospoortvliet> I got from anditosan a nice release poster template but it's 107 MB 14:27:38 <jospoortvliet> so I need to see if that can be smaller :D 14:27:40 <jospoortvliet> hehe 14:27:56 <suseROCKs> Did Anditosan release the Party posters he was designing yet? 14:28:07 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: that's the one I'm talking about 14:28:16 <suseROCKs> ok 14:28:16 <jospoortvliet> as I said, the template is 107 MB so that's a tad big... 14:28:26 <jospoortvliet> In the writing area, see http://ietherpad.com/sked 14:28:28 <suseROCKs> yes 106 mb is the max 14:28:38 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: hehehe 14:28:53 <jospoortvliet> most important point about writing: WE NEED MOAAAR! 14:29:08 <jospoortvliet> I try to write a bit, but need help.... 14:29:28 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1 will write an article about systemd and btrfs 14:29:47 <jospoortvliet> but we can use articles about the desktops (at least a GNOME and a KDE one or an all in one) 14:30:05 <jospoortvliet> and especially articles focussing on sys admins, servers and the like 14:30:07 <jospoortvliet> would be awesome 14:30:08 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot mentioned there will be some significant improvements to apparmor. Do we have verification of that and if so, an article to go with it? 14:30:23 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: that's one of the articles which would be great to have, yes 14:30:37 <suseROCKs> so is it true that there are improvements? 14:30:42 <suseROCKs> significantly, that is. 14:30:51 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: There are major changes indeed. 14:31:36 <anditosan> Hi all! 14:31:38 <suseROCKs> So we need to find someone who knows this stuff and can write a coherent article about it. 14:31:59 <jospoortvliet> hi anditosan I've been talking about you behind your back :D 14:32:01 <suseROCKs> sorry jospoortvliet Is "coherent" a big word? 14:32:12 <jospoortvliet> [02.11.2011 12:27] <jospoortvliet> I got from anditosan a nice release poster template but it's 107 MB 14:32:12 <anditosan> hehehe 14:32:14 <jospoortvliet> [02.11.2011 12:27] <jospoortvliet> so I need to see if that can be smaller :D 14:32:26 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: yes but you're forgiven... 14:32:28 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet, suseROCKs: This is mentioned on the ietherpad http://ietherpad.com/sked 14:32:35 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: yes I know 14:32:40 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, yes 14:32:44 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Ask Christian Boltz, he'S the AppArmor expert 14:33:20 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: I wanted quality :D 14:33:41 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: I did not get a chance to make the changes on the poster last night, I believe I will have time tonight 14:34:00 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: sorry, too late, have to publish in an hour or so 14:34:06 <anditosan> suseROCKs: Hey man 14:34:14 <jospoortvliet> and that file is too big for ppl to download and edit 14:34:20 <jospoortvliet> if they're not on broadband :D 14:34:23 <jospoortvliet> besides, we can't host it 14:34:24 <suseROCKs> hi anditosan 14:34:27 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: Really? mmm not sure what I could do 14:34:52 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, just go ahead and publish the article sans the poster info and when anditosan is ready, we have an excuse to say "Hey guys! Cool stuff here! Come n get it!" 14:35:00 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: I can put it in the article, a picture, and point to the wiki, but say there it'll be there soon? 14:35:12 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: yeah, that works 14:35:17 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: openStack is such differentiator for us, SUSE, HP, Dell and other companyes are investing on that, but not RedHat, and as result openStack will not be differentiator for next fedora release that will be lauch 2 days before 12.1, imho could be good any highlight on that topic 14:35:19 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: yeah but you can't publish an entire article for just that :D I think my plan is a bit better... 14:35:30 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: but we don't ship it in openSUSE 12.1 14:35:35 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: I just have to shrink everything, that's no problem, just don't have the time since Im at work 14:35:53 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: ok 14:35:58 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: sorry... it'd be awesome but we don't have it. It's in a separate repository, so we can talk about it in an article after the release. 14:36:24 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: ok, if you do it tonight, I'll put that on the wiki. we must make sure it gets hosted somewhere, however 14:36:26 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: btw I did finish updating the slideshows to 12.1 14:36:27 <jospoortvliet> not sure how to do that... 14:36:32 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: cool, mail them :D 14:36:35 <jospoortvliet> so I can put them in Git 14:36:41 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: I will 14:36:46 <jospoortvliet> question to all 14:36:58 <jospoortvliet> who knows what the link was to tigerfoot's mirror of our Git? 14:37:00 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: great, when the time comes, I volunteer to write something about VT, that is ne of my favorities topics 14:37:12 <jospoortvliet> so we can put download links somewhere instead of forcing ppl to clone all our git? 14:37:21 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: VT? 14:37:26 <CarlosRibeiro> virtualization 14:37:37 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: if you want you can start writing, we can publish it the days after the openSUSE 12.1 release 14:37:53 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: and if you can write about openstack that'd be awesome too, I would love to get something out on that - it's hot... 14:37:57 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: right 14:38:14 <jospoortvliet> btw we will probably have owncloud in openSUSE 12.1 with YaST integration and/or desktop integration :D 14:38:16 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, I don't recall it nor am I sure Bruno has maintained it, But I would suggest we be careful to assume that and put an overload on his server of people pounding it for downloads 14:38:37 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: well we do need a place to let ppl download release party posters and the new presentations... 14:38:42 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: suggestions? 14:38:57 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, If you have an idea for the article, you can go ahead and write it now and then it gets saved to release at a later date. We want to see more people building up a good cache of articles for future use 14:39:12 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: I can find some place with the openSUSE admins to put data up, if needed. 14:39:18 <AJaeger> But then it shouldn't change often... 14:39:25 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: and that's the problem... 14:39:30 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: ok 14:39:39 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: any chance THEY could mirror Git? Or should we simply move to github NOW :D 14:40:10 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: we have moved to github for many other projects incl. obs already. 14:40:18 <AJaeger> Moving artwork as well is not the problem... 14:40:25 <jospoortvliet> is there a GIT master here who can move our repository to GitHub, give us all access and write a 5-line how-to for the current gitorious users on how to switch their repositories? 14:40:43 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Let's ask digitltom_away 14:40:53 <Ilmehtar> its almost like we need something like Kablink.... ( http://www.sysrich.co.uk:8080 - my experimental server to demo what Kablink vibe can do) 14:41:02 <jospoortvliet> hehe Ilmehtar 14:41:02 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Best via email - tschmidt@suse 14:41:10 <jospoortvliet> Ilmehtar: does it support git or what :D 14:41:23 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: ok I will ask him 14:41:32 <jospoortvliet> suse.com or .de? 14:41:37 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: ^ 14:41:38 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: .de 14:41:44 <Ilmehtar> jospoortvliet: not yet (but we can look into that) but it does support WebDAV remember..I've used it to copy most of the artwork git repo up to the server as a demo 14:42:04 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: What is the status for the rest of http://ietherpad.com/sked ? 14:42:07 <jospoortvliet> Ilmehtar: yeah but webdav doesn't keep your files offline and doesn't work when several ppl work at once etc 14:42:26 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: Most of what's in the schedule will happen. 14:42:32 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Good! 14:42:34 <jospoortvliet> it's not THAT much work... 14:42:49 <jospoortvliet> if ppl don't step in I will work nights to make at least those articles happen :D 14:42:55 <Ilmehtar> jospoortvliet: copy/paste from local to webdav works just fine :) and kablink does versioning.. (You're not totally wrong..but still..) 14:42:58 <jospoortvliet> (please, any help welcome, as I value my sleep) 14:43:05 <anditosan> joospoortvliet: yay!!! 14:43:16 <AJaeger> #info PLease help with writing article - see http://ietherpad.com/sked 14:43:17 <jospoortvliet> Ilmehtar: let's move to github first, it's closer to our current workflow - minor change is easier 14:43:19 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, there are some people associated with some artiles in sked. Do we have confirmations that they are still working on them or? 14:43:44 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: yes for manu, probably for kostas 14:44:00 <jospoortvliet> yes for terrorpup 14:44:07 <jospoortvliet> so mostly yes :D 14:44:14 <suseROCKs> ok 14:44:30 <jospoortvliet> so that's it for me, I'd say. 14:44:46 <jospoortvliet> we can move to the next agenda item, AJaeger 14:44:54 <AJaeger> #topic Social Media Activities 14:44:54 <jospoortvliet> unless there are (more) questions... 14:45:08 <AJaeger> Satmanuk is not here. anditosan will you lead through this? 14:45:31 <anditosan> I can try 14:46:19 <anditosan> All I know is that I created a poster for the release that needs to be shrink for others to use. THere was also a request to create artwork to poromote opensuse on buses which I am about to finish 14:46:54 <anditosan> we coordinated with AlanClark the printing of the materials and some minor changes. The idea is to publish the poster and use it to promote release parties all over THE WORLD!!!! 14:47:32 <anditosan> the poster should be done tomorrow, but we still need to figure out times and media that will be used in for the parties, let's say DVD"s with 12.1 in it 14:47:52 <anditosan> is there anyone in charge of creating the dvd's or will they have to wait until release? 14:48:35 <AJaeger> anditosan: DVDs production is handled by Jos and myself. 14:48:44 <AJaeger> anditosan: We hope to have it ready for release. 14:49:03 <anditosan> AJaeger: ok, that would mean that the release parties should be done shrotly after release 14:49:04 <AJaeger> What you mentioned is great but has not much todo with Social Media. 14:49:17 <AJaeger> anditosan: Yes, indeed - jospoortvliet mentioned this already before you joined ;) 14:49:25 <suseROCKs> the important thing to do on Release day (and the day after) is to get everyone to watch hashtags and retweet as much as possible. Get the trending higher wherever possible 14:49:43 <suseROCKs> We did this well in 11.2 14:49:48 <anditosan> hehe yeah I know. There is a couple of pieces of artwork featured in the wiki that are to be used for twitter as a background. 14:49:59 <anditosan> instructions on how to use it are on the wiki as well 14:50:18 <AJaeger> anditosan: Yep, jospoortvliet wrote that in the article yesterday 14:50:24 <anditosan> I am not sure though if there is artwork to be used on sites like facebook though 14:50:32 <anditosan> do we have something like that this time? 14:50:45 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: not really. We have twibbon, about which I tweeted yesterday... 14:50:59 <jospoortvliet> http://twibbon.com/join/openSUSE-Users 14:51:03 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, I was on the road last release with a semi broken laptop so I wasn't sure if we captured stats like we wanted to. Did we and how did we do it? 14:51:06 <anditosan> should we create one for facebook? I could use the avatar for the buses to be used for faceboook 14:51:22 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: I don't remember anymore ;-( 14:51:34 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: that would be awesome, yes! 14:51:41 <Dominian> AJaeger: Didn't you use google analytics or something? 14:51:45 <anditosan> ok, I will make that a task then! 14:51:47 <suseROCKs> well, for facebook, we used CarlosRibeiro's 3D Geeko which was very popular. CarlosRibeiro Would you like to re-create a 12.1 version? 14:51:57 <AJaeger> Dominian: for twitter? 14:51:58 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: sure 14:52:02 <Dominian> AJaeger: ohhh twitter.. 14:52:04 * Dominian shups 14:52:17 <anditosan> also, there was an idea to make qr codes to be placed in some of the marketing materials, I am not sure who could create these 14:52:30 <anditosan> they could be featured in more than just posters 14:52:36 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: that will be my first contrib as my return to this awesome community 14:52:51 <suseROCKs> anditosan, anyone can create qr codes. The debate has alwys been about what the qr code should contain. 14:53:03 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, Awesome 14:53:13 <anditosan> suseROCKs: we thought it could be popular sites such as opensuse.org and other notable ones 14:53:19 * suseROCKs opened blender for the first time last night to try to figure out how it works 14:53:45 <anditosan> the idea in all would be to show the world our community 14:54:01 <anditosan> so links to community sites, and even irc would be good 14:54:15 <suseROCKs> anditosan, great. So just come up with what that list should be and create the qr code. bear454 created a qr code with Geeko logo in it which I thought was cool. 14:54:34 <anditosan> would it be ok if we first put opensuse.org on the qr codes and I feature them in some of the materials I am working on? 14:54:36 <anditosan> nice nice 14:54:38 <anditosan> :D 14:54:55 <suseROCKs> anditosan, what do you mean by first? 14:55:11 <anditosan> I mean the poster I created and also the avatar I am working on for the buses 14:56:04 <suseROCKs> well from what I've seen if you create code as one link, then the code is a link url, but if you do a list in the code, then the code is a text list. Which gets a bit ugly. 14:56:12 <bear454> suseROCKs: you summoned the genie ? 14:56:24 <suseROCKs> bear454, I do not recall rubbing you :-P 14:56:38 <anditosan> suseROCKs: agreed, likely I will just include one for now 14:56:39 <bear454> more like rumblestiltskin 14:56:50 <bear454> or however you spell that troll's name 14:57:01 <suseROCKs> supercalifragilisticexpialidocious 14:57:09 <anditosan> wow!!! 14:57:22 <anditosan> I can barely say that, even less type it! 14:57:28 <bear454> suseROCKs: tell me you don't have that in a speech-to-text engine 14:57:41 <suseROCKs> I don't have that in a speech-to-text engine 14:57:57 <anditosan> question to the community: is there any other piece of artwork that is needed before the release? Please let me know 14:58:06 <suseROCKs> overall, I think we're still not addressing the topic at hand here 14:58:09 <bear454> anditosan: http://minus.com/mbi39IldTn 14:58:26 <anditosan> suseROCKs: which would be? 14:58:30 <anditosan> qr codes/ 14:58:33 <jospoortvliet> anditosan: banners for a website 14:58:39 <suseROCKs> anditosan, Do you mind if I summarize what I think we need to think about in social media? 14:58:49 <anditosan> for sure budd :D 14:58:50 <jospoortvliet> as in, a horizontal and vertical banner ppl can use to promote openSUSE 12.1 14:59:00 <suseROCKs> 1. Banners 14:59:03 <jospoortvliet> we have the counters but something static, with 12.1 artwork, would be cool 14:59:06 <suseROCKs> 2. QR Codes 14:59:13 <suseROCKs> 3. Social Networking Accounts 14:59:24 <suseROCKs> e.g. Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. 14:59:33 <suseROCKs> getting people to coordinate tweeting/retweeting/etc. 14:59:59 <suseROCKs> 4. News sites such as Digg, Reddit, Slashdot, etc. 15:00:20 <suseROCKs> (note, in 11.2 we succeeeded in getting Digg to list openSUSE for many hours on release day on their front page) 15:00:50 <suseROCKs> So what we need are people to monitor these different sites and push to make sure there's high visibility 15:01:04 <anditosan> 1. it looks like banners just needs help with one for facebook 15:01:04 <suseROCKs> push others to retweet, like, etc. 15:01:29 <suseROCKs> anditosan, and carlos just agreed he'll recreate 3D Geeko for 12.1 on Facebook 15:01:55 <anditosan> suseROCKs: awesome news!!! 15:02:08 <suseROCKs> The release notes/product highlights is something we definitely want high visibility on the #4 item 15:02:20 <anditosan> 2. qr codes, we just need to define one or to links we want to feature 15:02:27 <AJaeger> So, who can coordinate overall the launch of 12.1 on social media? 15:02:52 <suseROCKs> Remember. good marketing, the object is not marketshare, but mindshare. When we get openSUSE name in front of as many people's minds as possible, then marketshare will complete naturally 15:03:29 <suseROCKs> anditosan, bear454 Can you coordinate how to add Geeko logo to the QR image (if anditosan doesn't already know how?) 15:04:18 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, Let's define the list clearly about what we need to target. We also want to gather stats as well so we can have good reference for next time 15:04:32 <bear454> anditosan: (1) use a qr generator that lets you adjust error correction... turn it way up 15:04:40 <suseROCKs> even though the whole friggin' social media landscape keep changing every few months making stats seemingly useless for future reference 15:04:59 <anditosan> bear454: if you can do it, it would be awesome! 15:05:06 <bear454> anditosan: (2) you can remove up to 30% of a QR code and have it still readable if the error correction is high enough 15:05:31 <suseROCKs> bear454, Do you have a link to such a generator? 15:05:39 <bear454> so play with editing content, and SCANNING to make sure you've not overdone it... an unscannable but cute QR is awful 15:05:45 <bear454> yeah just a sec 15:05:48 <anditosan> bear454: I am not sure about that. It sounds like generators need all of it to be there 15:06:18 <suseROCKs> I wonder if it would be a cool idea for 3D Geeko to be holding a piece of paper or something that just happens to be the QR Code? Then its embedded in some of our banners 15:06:31 <bear454> I use http://keremerkan.net/qr-code-and-2d-code-generator/ - it outputs SVG which makes inkscape tweaks easy 15:06:48 <bear454> anditosan: did you look at http://minus.com/mbi39IldTn 15:06:49 <bear454> ? 15:06:58 <anditosan> bear454: yes 15:07:06 <bear454> scan it 15:07:12 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: could be, nice idea, i will try 15:07:12 <suseROCKs> so as AJaeger asks... Who will coordinate social media? 15:07:15 <bear454> its super fast despite the missing content 15:07:55 <bear454> anditosan: http://qrarts.com/ is a great site for ideas as well 15:08:15 <suseROCKs> Note: Social media is not something that starts on Release day. We need to do high-traffic even before release day by getting much awareness of articles published on news.o.o etc 15:08:21 <anditosan> bear454: noted! 15:08:50 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, Great. So wait until anditosan finishes his QR Code, and he can send it to you 15:09:08 <anditosan> suseROCKs: I can't be in charge for lack of time, but I could feature a release article or review on my blog, facebook and twitter 15:09:11 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: ok 15:09:23 <suseROCKs> anditosan, I think QR code sin't going to take a lot of time, so can you set a deadline when you'll finish it? 15:09:27 <anditosan> ok CarlosRibeiro: I will work on that tonight 15:09:36 <anditosan> tonight! 15:09:43 <CarlosRibeiro> anditosan: fine 15:09:44 <suseROCKs> Great 15:09:55 <suseROCKs> you guys know how to contact each other? 15:10:03 <anditosan> I need email :D 15:10:17 <CarlosRibeiro> anditosan: carlosribeiro@opensuse.org 15:10:34 <anditosan> done 15:11:05 <suseROCKs> And there you have it! South American Collaboration 15:11:14 <anditosan> ;) 15:11:17 <anditosan> yay!!! 15:11:38 <CarlosRibeiro> ;) 15:12:04 <anditosan> ok 15:12:16 <anditosan> 3. who can coordinate social media then? 15:12:35 <suseROCKs> well... 15:12:52 <AJaeger> if nobody answers, I'll ask on opensuse-marketing and make a call for volunteers. 15:12:53 <suseROCKs> I've been doing some of the SocNet work in last few months so I guess I can handle some of it, but would like to not be alone here 15:13:09 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: Great. And having a team is always good. 15:13:21 <AJaeger> SatmanUK will help with facebook 15:13:26 <suseROCKs> the tasks for SocNet are easily dividable that not doing it alone is a good idea 15:13:30 <AJaeger> he volunteered last week already. 15:13:37 <suseROCKs> ok 15:13:40 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: I can help as well, so let's put down both our names. ok? 15:13:47 <suseROCKs> ok 15:13:51 <anditosan> yay!!! 15:14:16 <anditosan> I guess that's the last point on social media as shown by suseROCKs 15:14:29 <AJaeger> Let'S move on: 15:14:36 <AJaeger> #topic infrastructure 15:14:39 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, We do need some fixing on the plugins on news.o.o I tried to raise it with henne a while ago but no response. Should I post on admin@? 15:14:47 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: Please do. 15:15:11 <AJaeger> right now everything is on track 15:15:16 <suseROCKs> ok 15:15:34 <AJaeger> I need to confirm from the usual aspects that they will be available at launch time and should have that soon. 15:15:48 <AJaeger> #topic distribution 15:15:58 <AJaeger> Everything on plan. 15:16:03 <AJaeger> #topic Q&A 15:16:11 <AJaeger> So, that's what's on the wiki page. 15:16:15 <AJaeger> Any questions? Anything missing? 15:16:32 * suseROCKs spins his gears to think of what's missing 15:16:53 <suseROCKs> well, we've had people "talking" about doing some videos ans screencasts. Any movement there? 15:17:04 <suseROCKs> I think they were just talk and we shouldn't expect much on it 15:17:41 <AJaeger> part of Marketing activites - item 15. 15:17:48 <suseROCKs> ok 15:17:58 <AJaeger> But yes, we need more of those. 15:18:33 <suseROCKs> with RC2 out this weekend, we should do a hard ping to the Community to submit screencasts next week 15:19:00 <AJaeger> Jos, will you to a specific call - best on opensuse-factory as well? 15:19:31 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet ? 15:19:52 <suseROCKs> just sy supercalifragilisticexpialidocious and he'll come running back 15:20:01 <bear454> anditosan: what's the url in your QR ? 15:20:14 <bear454> anditosan: PS... shorter is *much* better 15:20:24 <anditosan> opensuse.org 15:20:37 <bear454> anditosan: that's what mine points to 15:20:45 <bear454> wanna just use that one? 15:20:48 <anditosan> bear454: great then :D 15:21:02 <suseROCKs> looks like you can put CarlosRibeiro to work now then :-D 15:21:11 * bear454 double-checks 15:21:14 <anditosan> awesome I will email that right now then 15:21:23 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: suseROCKs a call for what? 15:21:24 <CarlosRibeiro> glup 15:21:27 <suseROCKs> bear454, Out of curiosity, is there a size limit to the display of a qr code? 15:21:28 <jospoortvliet> screenshots? 15:21:36 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: CAll for screencasts/videos of 12.1 15:21:37 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, no screencasts 15:21:52 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: suseROCKs can do that... 15:21:52 <jospoortvliet> surely 15:21:52 <AJaeger> so, let the GNOME team do one about 3.2 etc. 15:21:55 <suseROCKs> basic howtos would be great too 15:22:10 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Ask the boosters first - they wanted to write a how-to. 15:22:15 <bear454> suseROCKs: I don't understand your question 15:22:18 <AJaeger> Mention the URL of the howto ;) 15:22:28 <AJaeger> OK, anything else? 15:22:38 <anditosan> suseROCKs, CarlosRibeiro: Sent! 15:22:57 <suseROCKs> bear454, For example, if CarlosRibeiro makes 3d Geeko image again with Geeko holding a tablet (which is the qr code) is there a certain size tht the code needs to be displayed in before it becomes unreadable by scanners? 15:23:15 <bear454> anditosan: yep... http://opensuse.org 15:23:24 <CarlosRibeiro> anditosan: ok, received 15:23:28 <AJaeger> brb 15:23:41 <anditosan> yay!!! 15:23:44 <bear454> suseROCKs: that's arbitrary based on the experience 15:23:58 <bear454> the barcode scanner has to be able to distinguish the pixels 15:24:03 <suseROCKs> so incorporating qr code into an image may or may not be a good idea? 15:24:27 <bear454> but it depends on display size, and camera zoom, etc. 15:24:33 <bear454> its too arbitrary 15:24:33 <anditosan> suseROCKs: I will play with the idea and create some samples for others to see 15:24:36 <suseROCKs> btw CarlosRibeiro No suit for Geeko this time :-) 15:24:52 <bear454> all you can really do is put it in a 'normal' situation and try with a few devices 15:25:04 <CarlosRibeiro> ok 15:25:05 <suseROCKs> ok 15:25:18 <bear454> the QR for the LinuxMagazin poster, I had a half-dozen people walk by at 3 meters distance and scan 15:25:26 <bear454> I had it on screen actual-size 15:25:29 <bear454> it scanned great 15:25:41 <suseROCKs> man you did some serious QA 15:26:02 <bear454> suseROCKs: like I said, it would be awful to put in a QR that doesn't scan 15:26:16 <bear454> and with the noise I introduced on the poster... it was necessary 15:26:24 * bear454 is excited to see it in print 15:26:34 <suseROCKs> cool 15:26:51 <anditosan> nice! 15:26:52 <suseROCKs> ok guys. I'm going to step away for now. Keep up the good work. 15:27:03 <anditosan> yay!!! 15:27:03 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: time for the next topic or are we done? 15:27:11 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Done. 15:27:14 <jospoortvliet> ok 15:27:16 <jospoortvliet> #endmeeting