16:09:28 #startmeeting openSUSE 12.1 launch check-in 16:09:28 Meeting started Wed Oct 26 16:09:28 2011 UTC. The chair is AJaeger. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:09:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:09:36 lol 16:09:37 forgot that... 16:09:40 Hi, let's do this properly now to have it recorded 16:09:44 oh god I keep forgeting procedures 16:09:45 #chair jospoortvliet 16:09:45 Current chairs: AJaeger jospoortvliet 16:09:59 too many procedures in my head right now 16:10:01 cool I'm a chair. Does that mean I can't walk anymore? 16:10:10 * jospoortvliet would rather be a table 16:10:16 #table jospoortvliet 16:10:18 #info The news.o.o schedule for 12.1 is at http://ietherpad.com/sked 16:10:41 #info the whole release planning is at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_Checklist 16:10:54 jospoortvliet: You beat me ;) 16:11:01 and anditosan is updating the launch checklist to link to the ietherpad :D 16:11:09 anditosan: Thanks! 16:11:10 jospoortvliet: I'm here 16:11:22 hi bear454 welcome to the Awesome Meeting 16:11:26 * bear454 not a hubot 16:11:30 bear454: we missed you ;-) 16:11:58 bear454: as update, we have a launch checklist on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_Checklist and an article schedule on http://ietherpad.com/sked 16:12:00 somebody needs to review the news.o.o checklist and updated it with the changed release date - and follow up with each individual what has been done and what not. 16:12:06 I can't stay long though; I've another meeting at half-past, so let's speed this thing up ;) 16:12:14 k 16:12:26 Who wants to review that article schedule? 16:13:30 did we agreed on anditosan? 16:13:47 * AJaeger is fine with anditosan, just missed him volunteering. 16:13:56 anditosan: you willing to go over that one, strike of what's done or irrelevant, try to make it a proper plan, and kick ppl to write the articles? 16:14:25 anditosan: if you don't have time for it, say so of course... And you'll have to add this to the tasklist on the launch_checklist page & add your own name btw :D 16:14:27 AJaeger: the openQA article yesterday had a non-working link to LWN and also an unlinked URL at the end of text. 16:14:45 bmwiedemann: sorry, missed those... Should've checked better. 16:14:49 blame me 16:14:57 * bmwiedemann blames him 16:15:11 * jospoortvliet goes to fix it 16:15:15 bmwiedemann: We can always correct articles ;) 16:15:21 a question: "Pre-information to press & ambassadors " isn't that the release notes? 16:15:40 anditosan: are you still with us? 16:15:45 warlordfff: yes, plus some extra info 16:15:56 like? 16:16:19 oh presentation and links? 16:16:21 warlordfff: download information, links to gallery, some friendly words ;) 16:16:26 well quotes from cool people like AJ and Coolo and Michael Miller they can use, some 'exclusive' thoughts of myself, some extra numbers etc, screenshots... 16:16:34 AJaeger: that was a better summary :D 16:17:02 mmm 16:17:09 looks like anditosan disappeared. I'll take over the sked unless he comes back and tells me he is OK doing it. 16:17:47 #action jospoortvliet to take over the article schedule (unless anditosan does it) 16:18:06 my bad you guys, I am at work hahaha 16:18:14 haha 16:18:14 just trying to answer the phone and read the meeting 16:18:24 anditosan: Sorry for stressing you 16:18:47 ok np anditosan see above, if you're OK with it that'd be awesome... takes my mind of things. Don't worry, I'll help with it in any case... 16:18:56 we are some strange kind of workholic Junkies 16:19:35 Joospoortvliet, AJaegerI can do what's requested, I would just need some guidance on how to get started 16:20:04 Joospoortvliet: sounds good to me, we can chat about it after the meeting 16:20:26 anditosan: Thanks! 16:20:26 ok it seems like I have a lot of questions so please tell me when I can do them 16:21:11 Guys, what do you think of the following proposal: 16:21:14 warlordfff: ask!! 16:21:24 * We discuss today all questions that everybody has and ask people to sign up 16:21:45 'Translate release announcement into various languages ' it says here one week ago, when do you think the Release announcement will be ready? 16:21:45 * We meet again tomorrow at 14:00 UTC (2hours earlier than today) and go through the complete list. 16:22:19 warlordfff: See three lines above - same time ;( 16:22:25 warlordfff: it should be ready 1 week before the release. If the schedule is wrong, fix it :D 16:22:27 AJaeger: good idea 16:22:38 no 16:22:47 ok 16:23:04 warlordfff: Idea was to have it ready one week before and then one week of translation 16:23:28 AJaeger: warlordfff indeed 16:23:55 ok, so we give out the announcement the day of the release translated, right? 16:24:18 yup 16:24:22 that's the plan... 16:24:28 get those pages ready and translated. 16:24:35 and send out the announcement in many languages 16:24:42 so what we have to do here so that this works better under my opinion is... 16:25:11 So, is everybody happy with my proposal to go into further details tomorrow? 16:25:25 I'll then make an announcement and invite everybody for it... 16:25:38 to get people voluntered from now to translate this in to other languages so when the announcement is ready to send it direct into their e-mails, what do you think? 16:25:58 Tommorow I will be off 16:25:59 yes 16:26:02 that would be the plan... 16:26:13 I need help with that of course 16:26:23 warlordfff: So, sign up today for what you want to do ;) 16:26:28 once the announcement is ready, and the wiki pages, they need translation and we have to push some ppl 16:26:33 get your name on there :D 16:26:43 ok I can do some pushing ;-) 16:26:47 yeap 16:27:08 under the 'Translate release announcement into various languages ' leave space to write names and langouage 16:27:22 do you like it? 16:28:06 well 16:28:18 I rather have say you'r name there. and you push the translators... 16:29:05 well ok I will try to find guys from all over the world to do it 16:29:05 For pushing translators: I think it'S enough to engage with them on the opensuse-translation list. 16:29:14 yeah 16:29:15 tell them before that they will get it - and then send it to them. 16:29:17 probably :D 16:29:20 yeap I was about to do that 16:29:51 Any other questions on the list? 16:30:07 I suggest that everybody of us reviews the list and cleans it up. 16:30:25 #action AJaeger and everybody else: Review Launch check list and cleanup for 12.1. 16:30:41 #action Meeting on 27th October 14:00 UTC to discuss this further 16:30:53 put me on the action for the translators 16:30:58 looking good 16:31:04 warlordfff: you can do that yourself :D 16:31:15 #action Warlordfff goes and haunts the translators 16:31:16 ok 16:31:17 #action warlordfff will coordinate translation of release notes 16:31:22 hehehee 16:31:26 LoL 16:31:31 I'm faster AND more creative... 16:31:41 lol 16:31:41 will make an announcement there by tommorow 16:31:42 * jospoortvliet makes a long nose to AJ 16:31:43 warlordfff: you only need to do it once ;) 16:31:58 warlordfff: gooooood 16:32:01 AJaeger ok ;D 16:32:09 jospoortvliet: I'm tired, it's evening ;) 16:32:09 now on to something else? 16:32:12 hehehe 16:32:32 http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes <- need everybody's help on this 16:32:45 jospoortvliet: can you poke me when te anouncement is ready? 16:32:57 warlordfff: jup 16:33:01 jospoortvliet: is that linked from the launch checklist? 16:33:15 AJaeger: if not, I'm sure anditosan can and wants to take care of that :D 16:33:18 anditosan ? 16:33:22 that etherpad is now more active than ever 16:33:23 #action Everybody help jospoortvliet with the release notes at http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes 16:33:33 I am reading on it right now 16:33:38 what do you need done on it 16:33:40 ? 16:33:43 we do AJaeger 16:34:13 joospoortvliet: are you looking for reviewers? 16:34:20 anditosan: make sure the part talking about release notes/release highlights links to http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes 16:34:26 in a week hopefully things will be better and i can be more into marketing stuff 16:34:27 so people know where to find it... 16:34:33 warlordfff: goooood :D 16:34:58 today I am hunting manugupt1 all day 16:35:15 but I will catch him ;-) 16:35:33 joospoortvliet: where am I supposed to feature this link at? 16:36:26 anditosan: see pm. 16:36:36 Yep! 16:36:45 so, about the release notes 16:37:03 can I ask how many of you have added something to it? who has not? is it clear HOW to do it, how it works? 16:37:13 what is needed? 16:37:37 me started along with izabel and Jdd 16:38:03 where is Jdd, does anybody know? 16:38:11 warlordfff: no idea 16:38:14 haven't heard from him for a while 16:38:26 oh I talked to Chuck before 16:38:32 anditosan have you had a look at the document? sshaw, bear454, HeliosReds Ilmehtar, how about you guys? 16:38:39 tigerfoot tian2992? 16:38:43 he said if there is something he can do just tell him 16:38:50 joospoortvliet: I ahve read parts of it 16:39:02 If anyone is looking for a task to get into it and wants help with doing it, I can help... The GNOME 3.2 part needs to be written! 16:39:04 he has no access to irc from his work 16:39:06 jospoortvliet: sorry I'm overbooked 16:39:11 tigerfoot: np 16:39:23 xmmmm 16:39:36 let's give the others a bit to respond... 16:39:49 give me a minute to make a call and i might find someone for that Gonme thing 16:39:56 ;-) 16:40:46 warlordfff: fine! go ahead... 16:41:06 the part under === GNOME 3.2 === needs writing. It has to be mostly based on the 3 links below that header... 16:41:06 ringing 16:41:18 there is text from last 11.4 which is still largely useful 16:41:23 so it shouldn't be more than 1 hour work 16:41:28 the KDE part also needs writing 16:41:31 he is at his university still 16:41:32 you happen to know someone for that? :D 16:41:37 jospoortvliet: psankar wanted to work on GNOME 3.2 16:41:47 that one is even easier - just a summary of the 4.7 release notes 16:41:49 KDE? 16:41:52 hmmm 16:41:55 warlordfff: :D 16:41:56 tempting 16:42:06 AJaeger: aw... but he then should DO it :D 16:42:08 give me the link to see it please 16:42:11 jospoortvliet: Ping him! 16:42:21 doesn't seem to be online huh :D 16:42:38 jospoortvliet: we promoted initially http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Upcoming_features 16:42:49 I'm adding a link to the etherpad there now. 16:42:59 AJaeger: yeah I did use text from that and pointed from that one to the http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes 16:43:09 so that's OK 16:43:31 * AJaeger does not see the "pointed from..." there, let me double check 16:43:35 guys a question 16:43:55 are we going to have plasma one too? 16:44:00 on KDE 16:44:02 ? 16:44:18 warlordfff: no 16:44:21 only optionally 16:44:27 niarff 16:44:31 why? 16:44:35 it requires heavy patches on 4.7.x and can't co-exist with plasma-desktop 16:44:49 will be in for 4.8, at least that's what will stephenson wants to push 16:44:51 :D 16:45:01 * warlordfff unhappy 16:45:42 anyway on KDE do you want me to write about 4.7 on http://ietherpad.com/12-1-release-notes right? 16:45:46 warlordfff: I'm also unhappy that calligra most likely won't make it. frankly, that's imho worse :D 16:45:49 warlordfff: yes 16:46:08 see how we did it last year, then go and make a summary of what's new using KDE's release notes... 16:46:13 ok I will right that down for doing it in the next few days 16:46:31 I somehow lost last years links 16:46:44 * AJaeger made rhte Upcoming_features page protected now and points to the etherpad 16:47:42 My kids need my attention, I'm back later. Jos, please continue chairing 16:47:47 * AJaeger waves bye for now 16:47:52 BB AJ 16:48:17 jospoortvliet: do you happen to have last years links? 16:48:49 warlordfff: en.opensuse.org/product_highlights 16:48:55 bye AJaeger 16:48:55 there is a complete havoc on my bookmarks list now 16:49:54 thanks jospoortvliet 16:50:32 do we have any pics from 12.1 yet? 16:51:14 warlordfff: yes 16:51:22 see the http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots_12.1 page 16:51:36 nice 16:52:03 you know what else I can do? 16:52:24 make the wiki page for release notes 16:52:42 warlordfff: that will be the product_highlights 16:52:48 the current one gets replaced with 12.1 16:53:02 and the current one has to be moved to product_highlights_11.4 16:53:37 yeap and got the old one on archive:product_highlights_11.4 right? 16:53:38 we should also stop using so many different terms for the same thing - I used to call it feature guide, then it became product highlights, now release notes (which is something entirely different anyway)... 16:53:55 not on archive,I suppose, just product_highlights_11.4 16:54:20 Henne once told me that 16:54:39 use archive: 16:54:47 but ok 16:55:37 should I give links to the older product highlights so that the old page will be linked to somewhere 16:56:18 well if henne said so, probably better to listen to him :D 16:56:22 make it archive, then... 16:56:24 fine with me 16:56:31 as long as the portal:11.4 points to it!!! 16:56:43 be and any other page which links to the 11.4 highlights specifically... 16:56:46 search the wiki :D 16:56:49 I was thinking in making a navbar with all the previous so that we can have them available for possible future use 16:56:58 warlordfff: sounds good 16:57:02 you're becoming a wiki master dude :D 16:57:04 ok 16:57:08 anyway let's move on from this 16:57:10 this was a meeting 16:57:16 is there anything else we have to discuss, people? 16:57:34 anditosan tigerfoot sshaw bear454 Ilmehtar anything from your side? 16:57:45 one moment 16:57:49 anditosan: np 16:57:57 I'm all good, busy, happy, good 16:59:27 jospoortvliet: for your release note you can add that we deliver an outdated Loo (3.4.2) when last stable 3.4.3 was released end of August :-( 16:59:59 tigerfoot: we shouldn't advertise that we ship outdated stuff... it's bad we didn't manage to update it, have you send a merge request :D 17:00:43 jospoortvliet: bug 726686 submitted 17:01:08 and they need to fix my osc build local package to be able to build all the packages that failed actually ... 17:01:20 we as always are in a hurry ... :D 17:01:33 tigerfoot: well yeah, bugs. But a merge request needs 2 clicks from the maintainer while a bugreport means he still has to do the work... we have only little time so I don't expect bugs to work so well ... 17:01:47 joospoortvliet: I am wondering about artwork needed for the release 17:01:58 jospoortvliet: Loo is 123 packages :-( 17:02:20 anditosan: ha, there is artwork needed, but I don't know about that. robert lihm (rlihm) and coolo should have an overview 17:02:42 sometimes we should attach Michael Meeks to its chair, and slap him until we get the latest software for his upstream project :-) 17:02:54 hehe 17:02:58 ok as there doesn't seem to be much more, let's end the meeting! thanks all for participating! 17:02:59 joospoortvliet: one moment 17:03:03 anditosan: ok... 17:03:05 ? 17:04:53 anditosan: did you have a question for the meeting or? If not, I won't leave after the meeting you know :D 17:05:07 the meeting was 1 hour and we're - well, on 1 hour and 5 min now :D 17:05:56 joospoortvliet: just artowrk requests from anyone 17:07:24 anditosan: well maybe you can help me rework the current presentation slides to the new format, once Ilmehtar is done with that :D 17:07:37 hopefully later this week, I dunno when he has time... 17:07:42 to finish them... 17:08:30 jospoortvliet: was hoping to give it an hour or two tonight..assuming I leave the office soon 17:09:07 Ilmehtar: cool, thanks dude! maybe anditosan can provide some feedback, he likes artwork :D 17:09:29 jospoortvliet: is there a way to find what pages have product highlights as a link for 11.4? 17:09:53 give me a minute guys 17:10:31 warlordfff: yes there should be 17:11:12 but you don't know it right? should I go to HeNNE FOR THAT? 17:11:24 sorry fr the caps 17:11:46 warlordfff: on the left you see "what links here" 17:11:56 that leads you to http://en.opensuse.org/Special:WhatLinksHere/Product_highlights which shows all pages that link to the product higlights 17:12:13 as long as they're not openSUSE 11.4 specific it's fine, they can stay. Otherwise, they have to change (like the portal page) 17:12:14 :D 17:12:23 nop that is for the link that are on the page to somewhere else not the other way I need 17:13:00 warlordfff: aw, no, that should be pages that link TO the product highlights... 17:13:02 right? 17:13:05 and those you need to change... 17:13:32 okay I'm getting kicked out of the building so I'll see ya all in a minute..you can leave me messages and stuff and I'll ge them (IRCcloud rocks) 17:13:38 for example, it finds http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:11.3 which links indeed to the highlights (wrongly)... 17:13:41 Ilmehtar: np 17:13:59 warlordfff: anyway, again, too detailed. I'm gonna finsh the meeting then we keep working OK:D 17:14:08 ok 17:14:08 #endmeeting