09:16:35 <warlordfff> #startmeeting Find the etherpad we created for today http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? Feel free to share your ideas 09:16:35 <bugbot> Meeting started Mon Dec 6 09:16:35 2010 UTC. The chair is warlordfff. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:16:35 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 09:24:17 <gnokii> good evening helen_au 09:24:33 <helen_au> gnokii, hi Sirko 09:24:43 <warlordfff> Hello helen_au 09:24:48 <gnokii> just wrote a mail with the posters 09:24:56 <helen_au> hi kostas 09:25:20 <helen_au> I thought I'd pop in and see what was happening with the collab 09:25:35 <warlordfff> well 09:25:44 <warlordfff> we just started 09:25:56 <helen_au> great 09:26:07 <warlordfff> Find the etherpad we created for today http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 09:26:13 <helen_au> yep 09:28:13 <gnokii> first banner bad idea 09:28:27 <gnokii> example the GNOME booth box is lost 09:28:35 <gnokii> worth 2500 € lost 09:28:56 <suseROCKs> hi I'm back 09:28:58 <gnokii> next example looked for sending it to swiss for froscamp costs 900€ 09:29:03 <suseROCKs> Hi helen_au 09:29:25 <gnokii> so its cheaper to print a banner for every ambassador on the end as sending them via postal service in the round 09:29:56 <warlordfff> gnokii you are propably right 09:29:58 <helen_au> sorry what's that about banner? 09:29:58 <AJaeger> gnokii: It seems that the GNOME booth box has much more material than is propose here. 09:30:08 <AJaeger> helen_au: First item on the etherpad 09:30:21 <helen_au> right, back shortly after I've read. 09:30:46 <suseROCKs> the gnome Event Kit contains a complete PC set 09:31:08 <gnokii> yes AJaeger but I looked for sending a thing to .ve in april it was 40 times cheaper to buy that there 09:32:00 <AJaeger> gnokii: Yes, that might be true - and therefore the idea was to have them distributed. Have one banner in Brazil for all of Brazil (or all of South America) - whatever works best. 09:32:03 <gnokii> AJaeger: we can ask michl how iften was the rollup from SUSE is gone ;) 09:32:31 <AJaeger> gnokii: not that often 09:32:36 <gnokii> ooh 09:32:51 <AJaeger> gnokii: That's why the idea was to have a local banner master that took care of it... 09:32:55 <warlordfff> we propably make more events that SUSE 09:32:56 <gnokii> one was gone after Desktop Summit and one after LinuxTag I thaught 09:33:36 <AJaeger> That's not often ;) 09:33:49 <suseROCKs> well part of the goal of that item in warlordfff's list is to look at the cost analysis of shipping 09:33:52 <gnokii> oft enough or what costs one of it? 09:34:08 <suseROCKs> vs. what it costs to send to everyone. We have more ambassadors than events. 09:34:22 <helen_au> is ok to add thoughts to pad? 09:34:39 <warlordfff> of cource 09:34:52 <gnokii> mmh then it should be thaught about costs before "who manage it" 09:34:55 <suseROCKs> and don't forget the cost of stands to go with the banners 09:35:06 <warlordfff> of course 09:35:27 <suseROCKs> but we did think about costs when Jos and I discussed budget and we realized it was cheaper to do it this way 09:36:21 <gnokii> then please tell us ur calculation 09:36:24 <warlordfff> well on that we must see in how many countries we make events 09:36:51 <suseROCKs> well if we calculated US as an example here 09:37:02 <suseROCKs> for 5 major events in US 09:37:14 <suseROCKs> shipping cost is about $10USD 09:37:27 <helen_au> what sort of budget for give-away promotional items? 09:37:57 <suseROCKs> and if we sent 2 banners each printed cost about $25 09:38:15 <suseROCKs> and stands cost about $60 if I remember off the top of my head 09:38:47 <suseROCKs> so already right here in US its much cheaper to have banner masters like other organizations do 09:38:55 <gnokii> why u sent two banners? 09:39:21 <suseROCKs> prefer 3? 09:39:38 <warlordfff> 2 sound reasonable 09:39:54 <warlordfff> for the 2 sides of the booth 09:40:10 <suseROCKs> one horizontal banner that is behind the booth and 1 upright banner for next to booth table 09:40:16 <gnokii> I prefer one, thens only 5$ more then sending it with the post so its amortized after 1,5 events 09:41:05 <suseROCKs> gnokii, but that's the thing. Now I don't know how it looks in your area, but here in US. our openSUSE Booths look amateur compared to Fedora booth because of their professional banner distribution 09:41:49 <warlordfff> gnokii we are not running alone, we have to compete against others 09:41:58 <gnokii> simple solution for me I used a beamer last event for the background 09:42:05 <warlordfff> so we have to be at least like them 09:42:32 <suseROCKs> that wouldn't have worked at OLF for sure. 09:42:45 <warlordfff> beamer? 09:42:58 <suseROCKs> some booths don't have depth for beamers (projectors) 09:43:03 <warlordfff> oh 09:43:16 <gnokii> suseROCKs: its simpler to make one banner for the front, and posters for the background because u never know how many place is there 09:43:16 <suseROCKs> and how many people have access to a beamer? 09:43:55 <warlordfff> well it cost me cheaper to print the banners myself than buy a beamer 09:43:59 <helen_au> could we get sponsorship for banners? 09:44:13 <warlordfff> thats a great idea 09:44:14 <suseROCKs> helen_au, we've got that. 09:44:16 <gnokii> have nothing to do with access was the example what can be done with using head and cretivity 09:44:17 <helen_au> kk 09:44:42 <suseROCKs> helen_au, Jos is prepared to spend the budget on these banners with distribution. We're just awaiting design and determination of who should be the banner masters 09:45:28 <warlordfff> gnokii you are probably right about creativity but uniformity should exist 09:45:37 <helen_au> suseROCKs, then is it useful to worry about alternatives? 09:45:37 <warlordfff> among us 09:45:44 <helen_au> if we're going to have the banners available? 09:46:08 <suseROCKs> helen_au, I don't think so. The determination now should be how to move forward 09:46:09 <helen_au> I figure the point of a resource kit is that it saves having to use too much creativity 09:46:12 <helen_au> the basics are there 09:46:14 <helen_au> ready to go 09:46:19 <helen_au> unpack the box, unfurl the banner 09:46:20 <helen_au> and bang 09:46:23 <helen_au> you have your booth. 09:46:26 <suseROCKs> exactly 09:46:27 <gnokii> We are just waiting for the contibution from the marketing team, but always same, talking talking talking 09:46:56 <warlordfff> well I disagree 09:46:59 <helen_au> gnokii, I just sent an email re your poster text by the way 09:47:01 <suseROCKs> gnokii, we were ready to go ahead in September, but you asked us to wait on the banners. So we suspended per your request 09:47:54 <gnokii> hope one day begins suseROCKs to listen to others 09:48:24 <suseROCKs> gnokii, we DID listen to you. You asked us to wait until after openSUSE Conference. Now you complaining that we didn't? Which is it? 09:49:06 <gnokii> we had an discussion about visual identity on confernce, I made immediatly after it an piratepad still waiting for contribution there, some times suseROCKs should listen to Nuno when he says took years and think about what happen when, he only talk instead doing 09:49:45 <suseROCKs> gnokii, Nuno also said we have to recognize that we can't always wait for that and there are always more pressing needs that need to be taken care of 09:50:05 <gnokii> hope someone presses u to do ur part 09:50:13 <warlordfff> why there is that disagreement? 09:50:16 <gnokii> not always commanding troops 09:50:33 <suseROCKs> gnokii, hope you don't tell us to stop doing something and then complain when we didn't do it. Would be a nice change of pace for once. 09:50:35 <warlordfff> today we co-operate 09:50:49 <helen_au> ok gentlemen, let's focus on what we need to do to move forward 09:51:06 <warlordfff> hey CarlosRibeiro 09:51:26 <helen_au> banners are going ahead, once Jos has budget, right? We just need design, and decide who takes care of them. 09:51:59 <warlordfff> right 09:52:02 <gnokii> mr. suseROCKs what ur main problem is ur always to the second step for the first one, and when I say stop it make the first one its not right 09:52:18 <helen_au> so is there any sample designs put forward already? or waiting on some information? 09:52:33 <gnokii> helen_au: yes u saw them I work on it 09:52:40 <helen_au> oh the colored set? 09:52:42 <helen_au> ok good 09:52:48 <helen_au> they are great 09:52:49 <gnokii> and I can not do more then work 16hrs a day 09:52:58 <warlordfff> can you please give a link ? 09:53:01 <CarlosRibeiro> Morning 09:53:15 <helen_au> CarlosRibeiro, jospoortvliet hello! 09:53:22 <gnokii> warlordfff: as I said plz read mails not only send nice answers! 09:53:40 <warlordfff> is that in your last mail? 09:54:05 <warlordfff> I read more than 60 mails a day man 09:54:10 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: morning 09:54:10 <helen_au> http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=2922&cpage=1 09:54:26 <helen_au> lolz my inbox has 2000 unread mails.... 09:54:31 <warlordfff> ok I saw that yesterday 09:54:36 <warlordfff> really nice 09:54:37 <helen_au> yep those are the banner designs 09:54:52 <gnokii> warlordfff: I give u some from me I have arround 400 a day, but still u can write stupid mails think a little bit on it 09:55:03 <warlordfff> I also made a comment on the ML 09:55:08 <helen_au> nice work. I just emailed, if you guys more familiar can start pirate pad with titles and any key points, I'll do up some text 09:55:11 <helen_au> to make a start 09:55:23 <gnokii> sure u commented then u have the link 09:55:27 <helen_au> sorry that was garbled 09:55:37 <warlordfff> gnokii please calm down man 09:56:03 <warlordfff> I am not talking to you that way 09:56:17 <warlordfff> its the 2nd time you do it 09:57:29 <helen_au> so regarding the text for the banners, what I meant was for someone familiar with the distribution aims eg Jos 09:57:36 <helen_au> to make a few notes for me to start with 09:57:43 <helen_au> so I know the direction and tone to write about 09:58:41 <gnokii> helen_au: sorry I am not the expert for it especially have to work under pressure 09:59:26 <helen_au> do you have a list of titles for your posters? (most I can guess from the pictures0 10:00:10 <gnokii> for some there exists old, for some I had ideas like OBS or YaST 10:00:31 <gnokii> for some I have no idea like kiwi, education, medical 10:01:09 <helen_au> ok I'll just start something, and I'll email a link to the marketing team, can I request that someone checks in and helps? 10:01:14 <helen_au> when I send that 10:01:39 <helen_au> because I don't know the current status/aims/etc discussed at conference 10:02:45 <warlordfff> about cheat sheets 10:03:10 <gnokii> the result from conference doesnt matter anymore, because I made that decission what was needed alone (not happy about) 10:03:12 <warlordfff> I believe I saw somewhre but I just cannot remember where 10:03:49 <helen_au> gnokii, I think so few of us actively working, that happens... we just take it on.... 10:04:31 <helen_au> cheat sheets are a great idea... command line etc. Especially useful for noobs or transitioning from DEB based distro 10:04:43 <gnokii> helen_au: on the piratepad was most such things written like, looking fresh and such guiding things for doing the graphical work 10:04:57 <warlordfff> yeah 10:05:21 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, is there a way to extract the slides that come with the oS installer? 10:05:41 <helen_au> gnokii, well you've accomplished that 10:05:55 <helen_au> gnokii, I'll use the existing texts as a guide to the sort of style that might suit. 10:05:56 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: The contents is on the media... 10:06:02 <helen_au> maybe more brief. 10:06:44 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, I have a digital frame that I'm using at booths now, and was thinking of setting up those slides for the upcoming openSUSE booth at SCALE 10:07:02 <AJaeger> suseROCKs: On each DVD: in directory suse/setup/slide 10:07:12 <gnokii> suseROCKs: shooting himself everytime in the knee 10:07:36 <suseROCKs> AJaeger, Cool 10:07:42 <gnokii> AJaeger: yeah but the texts are xml and the pics are different directories 10:07:48 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: we can record a virtual os instalatin and take some snapshots during the installatin process 10:08:35 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, Could be. I was thinking just starting simple for now with what we have and then when I see how it looks on the digital frame build from there 10:08:37 <gnokii> maybe he should look at the snapshot page in the wiki and use the pics 10:09:02 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro we did that as a Greek community 10:09:19 <warlordfff> diamond_gr made it 10:09:38 <suseROCKs> Can we get that uploaded, or is it already uploaded, warlordfff? 10:10:03 <warlordfff> I don't think so 10:10:10 <gnokii> warlordfff: see thats the problem just looking in the wiki there is a page with snapshots from every step of the installation so that was already done 10:10:12 <warlordfff> he'll be here later 10:10:46 <warlordfff> I'll ask him 10:12:18 <warlordfff> I have a virtual installation for 11.2 from youtube 10:12:37 <warlordfff> I made it a videoclip for the release party 10:12:41 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, I'm volunteering to take C.4 10:13:12 <warlordfff> C.4? the explosives? 10:13:13 <gnokii> http://en.opensuse.org/Screenshots 10:14:22 <warlordfff> I found this one 10:14:24 <warlordfff> http://el.opensuse.org/SDB:Live_CD_installation_for_11.3 10:14:35 <warlordfff> take a look at the pictures 10:14:58 <warlordfff> is that what you are looking for? 10:15:20 <gnokii> ^^ 10:18:13 <helen_au> Etern4L, hello 10:18:38 <warlordfff> hi Etern4L 10:20:17 <warlordfff> Etern4L still is sleepy 10:20:41 <Etern4L> yeap i am sleepy wait i relog to another pc 10:22:24 <helen_au> just looking at this document, we ask a lot of ambassadors, big job. 10:22:55 <gnokii> helen_au: what u mean? 10:23:04 <helen_au> its a lot to do. 10:23:17 <helen_au> plannin, organizing, reporting... 10:23:29 <warlordfff> well being an ambassador comes with all this 10:23:45 <helen_au> yeah. 10:23:50 <warlordfff> ambassador is serius work 10:24:06 <helen_au> yes it is. 10:24:21 <warlordfff> I am talking so that Etern4L hears me 10:24:23 <warlordfff> ;-) 10:24:30 <helen_au> one suggestion - some way for them to keep all their information together 10:24:35 <helen_au> and easy to pass on. 10:24:41 <Etern4L> yeap i am all ears! 10:24:45 <helen_au> things like local contacts and so on 10:24:53 <helen_au> people, events, phone numbers, helpful people 10:24:58 <helen_au> not public stuff for wiki 10:24:59 <warlordfff> that is one of the reasons of this days creation 10:25:02 <gnokii> helen_au: u have not to do everything 10:25:30 <warlordfff> actually you have to 10:26:02 <warlordfff> its part of being responsible 10:26:05 <gnokii> I laugh later about the joke 10:26:13 <warlordfff> comes with the ambassador title 10:26:37 <warlordfff> why is that a joke? 10:27:19 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: about slides for a digital frame or something, there is a bunch of screenshots usable for a slideshow about openSUSE on the wiki :D 10:27:49 <gnokii> there was times before u, there was very clear, thats up to the ambassador what is his way to spread the word about openSUSE 10:28:20 <warlordfff> there are many ways to do something 10:28:59 <warlordfff> but there is a main way that leads you to make things 10:29:00 <helen_au> I guess the point is to make it as easy for them to do their job as possible 10:29:05 <helen_au> however they want to do it 10:29:08 <jospoortvliet> exactly 10:29:12 <warlordfff> yes 10:29:17 <CarlosRibeiro> tha't is the point 10:29:23 <warlordfff> you give the information 10:29:36 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: what u think is my feeling when warlordfff do tell me what my job is? 10:29:38 <warlordfff> so anyone who wants follows them 10:29:56 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: I doubt he does, you usually see insults where no insults exist 10:30:02 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, sure. And I wanted to use the installer slideshow :-) 10:30:05 <helen_au> gnokii, are you an ambassador? 10:30:24 <gnokii> of course I runt this year 9 events 10:30:29 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: warlordfff is pretty clear right now on what he tries to do: create guidelines on how to work to help new ambassadors 10:30:32 <warlordfff> gnokii where exactly I made that? 10:30:37 <helen_au> cool 10:30:44 <warlordfff> nevermind 10:30:52 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: don't bother 10:31:02 <warlordfff> jospoortvliet ok 10:31:25 <warlordfff> anyway 10:31:36 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, I'm working on your talking points page right now and btw... Good morning :-) 10:31:47 <warlordfff> I would like opinions about "How to be an Ambassador mentor" document 10:31:52 <gnokii> [11:36] <gnokii> helen_au: u have not to do everything 10:31:53 <gnokii> [11:36] <warlordfff> actually you have to 10:31:54 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: +1 good morning too 10:32:17 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: you're seeing ghosts again dude you say that kind of stuff all the time 10:32:29 <jospoortvliet> please stop looking for a fight and complaining and either help or go 10:32:43 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: link? 10:32:47 <gnokii> I dont look for a fight 10:32:50 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: (sorry I am lazy) 10:32:53 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: looks that way 10:32:55 <warlordfff> you have to is not you must to 10:33:11 <warlordfff> http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 10:33:53 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: ah that's semantics you were just saying that an ambassador is often all-round dude, gnokii knows exactly what you mean with that as he does all kinds of things too (from organizing sleeping place for other ambassadors to printing posters to planning to xxxxxxx) so he could just've said "you're right" but he'd rather see a problem 10:34:35 <warlordfff> ok 10:34:41 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, so what I'm doing on this talking points page (and its related stuff) is review what's said and see what can be added/modified/bla bla and then I'm adding a "driving point" to each section 10:35:01 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: +1 yes, I think that 'how te be a mentor' thing would be good 10:35:15 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: good I will also go over it later today OK? 10:35:24 <gnokii> mr. jospoortvliet u like to kidding me? 10:35:29 <suseROCKs> yes, you need to undo everything I did :-D 10:35:30 <helen_au> what sort of people do we have volunteering as ambassadors (relevant to mentoring question) 10:35:31 <jospoortvliet> and we need to ask, again, for domain experts to look at the Q's and answer them... 10:35:38 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: no not to undo but to try and add more :D 10:35:57 <helen_au> domain expert, that's a great term! 10:35:58 <suseROCKs> c'mere ya hairy lug!!! Gimme a hug, jospoortvliet! 10:36:04 <jospoortvliet> yay 10:36:07 * jospoortvliet likes hugs 10:36:07 <helen_au> lolz 10:36:59 <warlordfff> helen_au I wolud like to think ambassadors with some experience on events and stuff 10:37:15 <helen_au> maybe not so experienced with openSUSE though? 10:37:28 <suseROCKs> helen_au, well yes and no 10:37:37 <helen_au> hmm. 10:37:39 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: never saw warlordfff say that, I gave only helen_au an answer 10:38:12 <suseROCKs> should have multiple things to offer as mentor. For example, yes the mentor oughta know quite a bit about openSUSE, but also quite a bit about good interaction skills (which have nothing to do with openSUSE) 10:38:16 <helen_au> don't know how to copy text 10:38:30 <helen_au> helen_au I wolud like to think ambassadors with some experience on events and stuff 10:38:34 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: it is what he meant, or at least, it is ONE interpretation. You must know as well as I do that IRC - pure text - you can interpret things any way you like. If you look for bad things in what someone says you can always find it. so DON'T DO THAT. 10:38:55 <warlordfff> about your question on mentoring 10:39:02 <helen_au> well I was firstly asking about what sort of people are already volunteering as ambassadors 10:39:04 <warlordfff> helen_au 10:39:10 <gnokii> fuck man, I didnt interpret that stuff u interpreted there the problem is 10:39:19 <warlordfff> oh ok helen_au 10:39:20 <helen_au> because if they are already suse people, or not suse people, that's a different need. 10:39:41 <helen_au> gnokii, pull your head in mate let's get on with the job 10:39:46 <gnokii> when I say something and some other say the opposite then there is nothing to interpret for me 10:39:51 <suseROCKs> helen_au, well... I think that's a pretty valid question, especially in terms of how new they might be to openSUSE. 10:39:55 <jospoortvliet> I don't think the mentor needs many skills or anything specific other than having been around longer than the mentoree... which in itself is helpful enough. Of course a mentor should be nice to the mentoree but I guess that's a given :D 10:40:15 <suseROCKs> I'll taken that! :-D 10:40:45 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: yes that is the problem you interpret things other than I do - you often see the negative in what ppl say. But they don't mean it so bad, so you have a fight or are mad about nothing. which is a problem here. 10:41:14 <gnokii> so for u is a yes an no ok 10:41:15 <helen_au> for example for me being new to suse, I've found it useful for people to tell me about past suse stuff, and also open source stuff.... I can write and do that part of my job well, but the 'insider' stuff I need help with. 10:41:16 <jospoortvliet> it needs to stop. You don't need to accept unfriendly behavior but you see it where it is not there and that's the problem. 10:41:17 <suseROCKs> helen_au, Typically what I've often seen is the new ones haven't been exposed to the overall project, so mentoring should encourage them to look beyond just the marketing stuff 10:41:29 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: I just don't expect ppl to be so negative 10:42:07 <gnokii> find it more and more funny, that some talking to me about interpreting things and do it always self 10:42:14 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: exactly. I think anyone who is new can do that, right? at least to some extend... 10:42:30 <jospoortvliet> so an ambassador only needs to have been around for a while longer than the new person and he/she can give enough info I would say. 10:42:40 <helen_au> (let's focus on job in hand please boys, and leave our egos at the door!) 10:43:00 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: if you don't want to see my point that is OK but let's please stop the discussion and let the others work 10:43:05 <CarlosRibeiro> well done helen_au 10:43:20 <suseROCKs> Muito bem! 10:44:02 <helen_au> Someone who has been here long enough to know "who's who" 10:44:22 <suseROCKs> I'd rather point to a "what's what" or at least get us into the mentality of htat 10:44:25 <helen_au> and knows who to ask for answers they don't know, and also has done the similar job in open source if possible. 10:44:33 <gnokii> helen_au: my opinion for mentoring is a easy one 10:44:45 <helen_au> suseROCKs, I see the difference that's a good poitn 10:44:55 <helen_au> gnokii, yeah? 10:45:20 <gnokii> so u see in the last days liquidsky42 joined sometime this channel or? 10:45:23 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: well ppl are important too so what's what AND who's who hehe but that's all details 10:45:23 * warlordfff going for a cup of cofee 10:45:31 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: enjoy :D 10:46:19 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, you should most definitely learn about who's who around the what's what. But one problem we've had in the past has been to point someone to a person rather than a resource of information. And if that person is for some reason unavailable, the earth stops moving. 10:46:32 <jospoortvliet> yes, you are right 10:46:53 <helen_au> yes excellent point 10:47:15 <suseROCKs> I do find helen_au's experience of "learning the history" to be an interesting point. How well do we document our history? 10:47:16 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: you were talking about slideshows 10:47:18 <jospoortvliet> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Slideshow 10:47:51 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: our history is documented very well... Go to an openSUSE conference and get drunk with ppl like cornelius, klaas, henne... you'll know more than you want to at the end ;-) 10:47:54 <jospoortvliet> and you'll have a headache 10:48:02 <jospoortvliet> cuz the bloody germans can drink like nobody else :D 10:48:05 <helen_au> I don't know that I'd want it fed to me like that! 10:48:05 <jospoortvliet> hehe 10:48:10 <helen_au> it's more been in discussion 10:48:11 <helen_au> informally 10:48:15 <helen_au> people tell me stuff 10:48:23 <jospoortvliet> yeah 10:48:42 <helen_au> and when I first started working with the project, Jos was "holding my hand" checking in on my work, lots of compliments 10:48:46 <helen_au> which was very encouraging 10:48:51 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, nope thatot what I was looking for :-) 10:49:01 <helen_au> so I think that sort of thing is important from a mentor 10:49:13 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: I' 10:49:15 <helen_au> it helps you feel like you belong, that what you are doing is useful 10:49:19 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: I will take that as a compliment then :D 10:49:21 <warlordfff> yes helen_au thats what we are talking about 10:49:31 <jospoortvliet> but modeling the mentors to me is not good. Too huggy :D 10:49:34 <helen_au> so you can't formalize that too much 10:49:44 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: indeed 10:50:04 <warlordfff> not formalize but recomend a few people 10:50:09 <suseROCKs> did I read that right? Did jospoortvliet actually use "too" and "huggy" in the same sentence??? 10:50:11 <jospoortvliet> so that's what I said before, the mentors don't need many skills just a little experience in openSUSE (having been around a bit longer than the newby) and being friendly 10:50:22 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: no you didn't read that right. Must be your eyes getting worse. 10:50:29 <suseROCKs> :-P 10:50:32 <warlordfff> so that someone new will feel comfortable enough to contact him 10:50:45 <suseROCKs> the right eye can't get any worse. it's completely blind :-P 10:50:56 <helen_au> brb 10:50:59 <warlordfff> ahahaha 10:51:01 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: I think we need at least 1 or 2 ppl per region, so mentors are close to mentorees both in culture and location. again, low barrier for being mentor I would say :D 10:51:08 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: lol 10:51:41 <warlordfff> jospoortvliet that is what Stathis recomended 10:51:49 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: what about no mentors? 10:52:19 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: also possible, not have a official position but just ask on the list 'hey, here's a new dude, anyone can show him/her around?' 10:52:21 <jospoortvliet> and that would be it 10:52:22 <suseROCKs> welcome sir henne 10:52:31 <henne> moin 10:52:36 <jospoortvliet> henne: moin moin 10:52:54 <suseROCKs> i trust everything is okay with you after last week, henne? 10:52:57 <gnokii> I mean what is going on here right now is only creat rules who can become a mentor, sorry I do that job before u created rules 10:53:05 <henne> suseROCKs: yeah. everything in order 10:53:21 <suseROCKs> gnokii, there were no rules suggested 10:53:46 <suseROCKs> The document that is being proposed is an advisory. Not a set of rules. 10:53:52 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: I thought we were coming to an agreement that mentors don't have rules 10:54:01 <jospoortvliet> again, you seem to interpret things very different from the rest of us 10:54:28 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: not rules for the mentor! 10:54:52 <gnokii> I saw it very clear "Where can become a mentor" thats the rule I meant 10:55:12 <suseROCKs> henne, Quick question. We've got meetbot running atm, which I feel should only be run in quick periods. Is there a detriment (other than really long logs) to running it for the full collaboration day? 10:55:16 <henne> s/where/who/ 10:55:37 <jospoortvliet> we just try and think about how to do this best - give new ppl someone to talk to directly. And ppl wanted to help out so asked 'how to become mentor' so we need to describe that 10:55:39 <henne> suseROCKs: nope. should be fine 10:55:53 <jospoortvliet> - basically, with your plan we let ppl volunteer when a new person comes in 10:56:04 <jospoortvliet> I think I'd rather have a way to contact a possible mentor directly 10:56:07 <jospoortvliet> more chance of working 10:56:09 <jospoortvliet> so have a list 10:56:14 <jospoortvliet> doesn't have to be a mentor list actually 10:56:15 <suseROCKs> ok, henne thanks. warlordfff guess leaving it running all day should be fine 10:56:29 <jospoortvliet> I think @all that our ambassador list (recently cleaned up) could be used 10:56:33 <warlordfff> but someone needs to close it right? 10:56:36 <jospoortvliet> mabe have a 'flag' on ppl who want to be mentor 10:56:48 <warlordfff> yes 10:56:53 <warlordfff> plus 10:57:09 <helen_au> sounds like a good idea re flag 10:57:10 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, Wouldn't the easiest way to seek out a mentor be to send an email to the ambassador ML "Hi I'd like to be an ambassador and would love some advice"? 10:57:14 <jospoortvliet> and the ambassador welcoming team can then, when someone joins, just pick a mentor close to that person from the list. contact the mentor, you OK with helping this person, and done. 10:57:16 <helen_au> preferred point of contacts 10:57:19 <suseROCKs> except perhaps for language barrier issues 10:57:26 <warlordfff> informations for those who like to be mentors so that they have quick answers to questions 10:57:35 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: well part of the problem there is that if you ask on the ML nobody steps up, if you ask a person they say "yeah sure!" 10:57:35 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: is that not a normal thing that the ambassadors in a country gets connected? 10:57:43 <jospoortvliet> so that's why I propose the more listy way :D 10:57:46 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, that's true 10:57:50 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: I would hope so :D 10:58:01 <warlordfff> well 10:58:16 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: usually, at least in NL, and I guess germany, ppl get to know each other, right? meet at conferences and such... so getting a local mentor works better I think 10:58:19 <jospoortvliet> as they can meet 10:58:27 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: yup 10:58:30 <jospoortvliet> something like that 10:58:31 <warlordfff> there are some countries that have only one and new ambassador like Belarus 10:58:45 <warlordfff> someone should help them too 10:58:46 <gnokii> I dont know what the others do, but I look always form my collegues, so on some I know they dont do events and for the new ones I write. And then they telling me when they have questions 10:59:07 <jospoortvliet> warlordfff: so the welcome team can find someone close to that country for example the country next to it... brazil can help Peru.... etc 10:59:27 <warlordfff> I must say that Fedora project have a mentoring system and its working fine 10:59:30 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: sorry that sentence I cannot parse 10:59:34 <gnokii> and I took some new guys with me at events an of course they learned there, so is a naturally thing, no new Title and rules to become that title is really needed 11:00:10 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: yeah it doesn't have to be a big title but just a friend - mentor is a good name for that, point is, we want to make sure every new member has a person to talk to. Doesn't always happen naturally. 11:00:15 <suseROCKs> gnokii, You keep putting a formality on things that aren't that formal. Its just mentorship and there's no rules to it. 11:00:18 <jospoortvliet> so we formalize it a little bit 11:00:22 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: indeed 11:00:30 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: I mean with saigkill or dl9pf I havent talk about doing an event with me, the others I ask and so we get connected 11:01:12 <suseROCKs> gnokii, so... put that experience into the document. Or at least relate it to someone who can write it up for you. 11:01:25 <suseROCKs> let others learn from what you've done and expand upon it 11:01:26 <gnokii> so jospoortvliet u say it self its a natural thing, so why I have to read then "who can be a mentor" 11:01:29 <helen_au> I think it's a good idea to have someone who knows it is their job to mentor new ambassadors. Otherwise it's easy for quiet people to be forgotten and drift off. Having someone call you up and say "how did your event go?" is a great thing. 11:01:44 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: because while it mostly works like you say it doesn't always work smoothly 11:01:58 <warlordfff> it also helps keep things in order 11:02:03 <jospoortvliet> so to fill the gaps we make it a little bit more formal - the welcoming team tries to find a mentor and let him/her talk to the newbie. nothing more 11:02:13 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: exactly 11:02:20 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: and u think, make a sign with "thats a mentor" works better? 11:02:34 <jospoortvliet> let's move on from this topic please, gnokii 11:02:40 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: no 11:02:54 <jospoortvliet> what helps is if a possible mentor gets asked to mentor ppl 11:03:04 <gnokii> yeah think there are more important things as mentors for the ambassadors 11:03:14 <jospoortvliet> the title doesn't make a damn difference, the difference is that someone goes after it 11:03:19 <warlordfff> like? 11:03:20 <jospoortvliet> and now I've had it stop talking about this please 11:03:23 <jospoortvliet> get over it gnokii 11:03:25 <jospoortvliet> darn 11:03:45 <gnokii> so jospoortvliet then maybe u understand a little bit my problem 11:04:13 <helen_au> clearly we all have different ideas about how things can be done 11:04:22 <helen_au> the point right now is to find some general consensus 11:04:27 <suseROCKs> and that's the beauty of collaboration 11:04:33 <warlordfff> yeah 11:04:36 <helen_au> I think most people seem to want some sort of formalization 11:04:39 <gnokii> I feeled me responsible for it and I did it 11:04:40 <jospoortvliet> oh we agree so nicely :D 11:04:50 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: well that's great but not everyone is so responsible sometimes 11:04:57 <jospoortvliet> so that's why we let the team try and find a mentor 11:04:59 <jospoortvliet> ok? 11:05:14 <helen_au> not a big list of rules and to-dos, but at least people identified and tasked with minding newbies 11:05:36 <jospoortvliet> now there are 5 ppl trying to convince you, gnokii, and even if you're not convinced, I frankly don't care much anymore. I say we move on from this and get back to work 11:05:39 <jospoortvliet> this is wasting time 11:05:55 <suseROCKs> guys, we're speding too much time arguing on these points. We have a nice long laundry list we want to tackle today 11:06:06 <jospoortvliet> ok 11:06:09 <helen_au> ok so what's the next point to look at 11:06:36 <warlordfff> WIKI: Ambassador Portal 11:06:41 <suseROCKs> helen_au, On the list or in specific to a task you're working on? 11:06:42 <warlordfff> what about that? 11:06:52 <helen_au> on your list for today 11:08:01 <suseROCKs> henne is a stellar speaker. henne any possibility you're interested in any of the assignments under "Presenting"? 11:08:10 <helen_au> http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Ambassadors 11:08:20 <henne> suseROCKs: hm? 11:08:56 <suseROCKs> http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador henne 11:09:03 <warlordfff> helen_au I was asking you opinion about it 11:09:28 <warlordfff> if you think we should add something to it 11:09:37 <helen_au> warlordfff, oh right 11:09:46 <henne> suseROCKs: nope sorry 11:09:52 <henne> suseROCKs: nothing there i could help with 11:09:55 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, Tbh, I think that wiki section should be dealt with later in the day (unless someone knows of some immediate needs) until we have gathered up all the new docs and make sure its all organized relevantly 11:10:07 <warlordfff> so that pepople find a larger amount of gathered information 11:10:19 <suseROCKs> henne, okie dokie 11:10:41 <warlordfff> I am just asking for proposals not actuall work on the wiki today 11:11:07 <helen_au> yep the wiki needs a little work. The piratepad we are looking at can contribute a lot to it 11:11:12 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: do you like to give a special interview for today? 11:11:24 <suseROCKs> ok I'm putting my head back into my work assignment. 11:11:28 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: well sure about what? 11:11:30 <helen_au> personally I find wikis a bit of a nightmare so probably won't contribute much to that aspect. 11:11:38 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors/oS-Collab-Ambassador#Interview_to_be_sent 11:11:42 <jospoortvliet> btw if anyone is into the Seigo-space-crack, look here: http://i.imgur.com/m498L.png 11:11:54 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: that's fine :D 11:12:19 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: is didn't finish the questions, but think in someting you like to say to the linux magazine 11:12:31 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: just send it by mail dude and I will look at it :D 11:12:42 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: having a good day there in sunny brazil? 11:12:44 * jospoortvliet is jealous 11:12:54 <CarlosRibeiro> and in one or two hours we can finish that and sent to the editor 11:14:08 <CarlosRibeiro> yes, today is a sunny day at praia grande, http://bit.ly/gSXWfT 11:16:52 * gnokii launches a snowball against CarlosRibeiro 11:18:01 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: :D 11:18:50 <CarlosRibeiro> dammit as we have no snow over here I will launch a fresh bananas crishtmas at gnokii 11:19:01 <gnokii> aah yeah 11:19:40 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: u saw the example? 11:19:55 <gnokii> Izabel was very happy about 11:20:35 <CarlosRibeiro> I talked with izabel yesterday and she told me that are very happy 11:21:39 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/97226284 11:21:40 <CarlosRibeiro> and for everyone, she will came to my house at 26 December and will spend 3 days with me in Praia grande 11:22:14 <warlordfff> ahaaa 11:22:20 <CarlosRibeiro> but don't worries guys, my report about my days with izabel will come before 2011 ;D 11:23:12 * gnokii have to fetch his boat and to rowl over the atlantic to arrive before 26th at Carlos house 11:23:57 <helen_au> lost the piratepad, link please 11:23:57 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/97226284 11:24:06 <gnokii> hoho izabelvalverde 11:24:11 <helen_au> lol were your ears burning izabel? 11:24:12 <CarlosRibeiro> lovelly izabelvalverde 11:24:20 <CarlosRibeiro> you will not die anymore 11:24:23 <CarlosRibeiro> :D 11:25:16 <izabelvalverde> so you guys missed me ? :D 11:25:31 <helen_au> gnokii, the colors are differnet in the lizard for this one 11:25:43 <gnokii> yeah we talked a few seconds before u arrived about u 11:26:03 <gnokii> yeah helen_au its the brazil flag, thats wath I have in mind with 11:26:12 <helen_au> aha 11:26:40 <izabelvalverde> :D 11:26:44 <warlordfff> izabelvalverde http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 11:26:49 <gnokii> but CarlosRibeiro looks not so happy, he say nothing to it 11:26:51 <warlordfff> also welcome 11:26:53 <helen_au> now you say so... "of course"... 11:27:10 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: I missed you, too much, because we have tons of taks to be completed today, take a look, http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 11:27:34 <jospoortvliet> izabelvalverde: of course we missed you 11:27:36 <jospoortvliet> always... 11:28:15 <izabelvalverde> missed me to work... that's great :D 11:28:35 <gnokii> no missed to keep us away from it :D 11:28:43 <suseROCKs> Good morning izabelvalverde 11:28:48 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: do I touch your drawer? 11:28:59 <CarlosRibeiro> :P 11:29:30 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: inbox? not yet, my mail checks not that often :D 11:29:56 <suseROCKs> you guys do realize that "drawer" is slang for "underwear" right? 11:30:12 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: yeah much time here in brazil and you turns to be smarter . cool beans :D 11:30:35 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: no . ops! 11:30:53 <helen_au> usually plural like "drawers" 11:31:02 <warlordfff> mmm 11:31:16 <helen_au> suseROCKs, Bryen are you British? 11:31:29 <suseROCKs> helen_au, no, I'm American 11:32:31 <suseROCKs> but we say drawers (or draws for some heavy-duty slang) here too :-) 11:32:39 <helen_au> @ all are kids wearing thin rubber/plastic bracelets in your country? (or the thick ones) for fundraisers etc 11:32:57 <suseROCKs> yeah 11:32:58 <helen_au> they are very trendy here. I thought they'd be a great promo item. Expensive to make though. 11:33:24 <helen_au> the very thin ones (about 5mm thick) have become more popular than the big ones. 11:34:20 <suseROCKs> I don't know if they'd appeal to the types of people that go to the conferences (at least around here) 11:34:28 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: mail sent 11:34:46 <suseROCKs> here, we see it as most definitely a kiddie thing and I rarely see anyone above very early 20's with one. 11:35:18 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: hurry up to we try to make this happeng and be publish today. ok ? 11:35:27 <jospoortvliet> hehe 11:35:32 <CarlosRibeiro> :D 11:35:44 <jospoortvliet> ok 11:35:54 <helen_au> suseROCKs, think you're right, is mostly kids actually wear them. 11:36:17 <helen_au> my fave marketing thing to get is postit notes for my desk :) 11:37:04 <warlordfff> that's usefull 11:37:14 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: wake up 11:37:21 <warlordfff> and I believe it may have results 11:37:35 <warlordfff> plus it's cheap I believe 11:37:38 <helen_au> the most useful things are the ones you hang onto and actually use 11:37:44 <suseROCKs> what I'd love to see is those little foam penguins, except as geekos that Novell gives out. Those were realllly popular at the OLF and lightweight for travel too. 11:37:53 <helen_au> I had a writer's postit notes from a conference for months, so I still remember her name 11:37:58 <warlordfff> hold that thought for marketing day helen_au 11:38:09 <helen_au> warlordfff, okay :) 11:38:19 <helen_au> so what are we up to with the list of ambassador stuff 11:38:31 <warlordfff> suseROCKs you have penguin and geeko post it? 11:38:42 <suseROCKs> no foam penguin 11:38:53 <helen_au> squishy? 11:38:53 <warlordfff> oh 11:39:04 <suseROCKs> yeah kind of squishy. 11:39:22 <warlordfff> helen_au you can put that too 11:39:28 * warlordfff forgot it 11:39:46 <suseROCKs> But I have no idea how much it cost Novell to make those in bulk 11:39:48 <warlordfff> puffy is the word 11:40:06 <warlordfff> I think 11:40:32 <suseROCKs> puffy would be like bloated. Squishy is more gel-based. this is actual painted foam 11:40:42 <warlordfff> oh 11:40:43 <warlordfff> ok 11:40:48 <helen_au> hmm. 11:40:55 <warlordfff> I want one 11:41:01 <helen_au> I like soft toys but also 'useful' is good 11:41:07 <helen_au> more likely to hang around 11:41:16 <suseROCKs> unless you have a dog nearby :-) 11:41:28 <warlordfff> oh 11:41:29 <helen_au> lol 11:41:45 <suseROCKs> anyway back to work.... ping me if you need anything 11:42:29 <helen_au> I need to go shortly too 11:43:00 <suseROCKs> henne, Do we have a comparison list somewhere of the amount of packages we include out of the box compared to other distros? 11:43:14 <henne> not that i know of no 11:43:24 <henne> distrowatch has something like this 11:43:36 <henne> but i don't know how they track this data 11:43:42 <helen_au> you talking installed or available? 11:43:48 <suseROCKs> installed 11:44:27 <suseROCKs> I'm looking at the beginner user section of our talking points page and thinking its good to point out that we have more items than a certain distro that shall remain nameless for at least a second or two 11:44:35 <helen_au> personally I've never quite 'gotten' that idea, because it's so easy to install new stuff with a click 11:44:54 <helen_au> reviews always make a big deal about it 11:45:02 <suseROCKs> helen_au, problematic if you don't have internet access :-) 11:45:19 <helen_au> suseROCKs, ah that's a good point. 11:45:48 <suseROCKs> it was pretty frustrating to me when I was on the road with a fresh ubuntu installation in October and gimp wasn't part of Ubuntu's default 11:46:11 <helen_au> I've seen a question recently about openSUSE networking frustration - the guy couldn't get on the net at all 11:46:18 <suseROCKs> they use some other chopped down light-weight photo editing program instead. And I was like.. uhhh yeah right. i want GIMP! 11:46:34 <helen_au> yeah they dumped gimp a while ago 11:46:39 <helen_au> because it's too much for most users 11:47:10 <CarlosRibeiro> ops I'm back 11:47:13 <suseROCKs> I don't buy that 11:47:39 <helen_au> I don't find it any less intutiive than say corel painter 11:47:51 <suseROCKs> sure its not the easiest program in the world, but when you think that "photoshop" has become such a mainstream word that it actually has become a verb, you don't take gimp (the competitor) out of the equation 11:47:52 <helen_au> not as much as the kiddy ones 11:48:10 <helen_au> but that's ubuntu for your. 11:48:13 <helen_au> for you 11:48:26 <helen_au> not that I'm going to start bagging them :) 11:48:38 <gnokii> so CarlosRibeiro tell me is that ok with the brazilian ppl? 11:48:49 <suseROCKs> no but I want a general statement about how we provide more than others (who shall remain nameless) :-) 11:48:56 <helen_au> lolz 11:49:14 <helen_au> I find I don't tend to recommend suse for total noobs 11:49:21 <suseROCKs> and I don't want that statement in there if it can't be backed by numbers or facts 11:49:25 <helen_au> if they are going to be terrified of starting up a terminal 11:49:35 <helen_au> I'll suggest ubuntu or even mint with its one-click driver install. 11:50:01 <helen_au> suseROCKs, good idea, someone will always call you on it.... 11:50:01 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: no problem with us 11:50:26 <suseROCKs> frankly, I think that's just a gimmick on their part. I found myself so much more frustrated and had huge hardware problems when I used ubuntu last month. I was so glad to be back to a sane distro 11:50:48 <helen_au> yeah their network driver is bonkers 11:51:00 <suseROCKs> so was their partitioning methods! 11:51:05 <helen_au> but still... I think we forget how hopeless some users are 11:51:20 <helen_au> bless 'em. 11:51:22 <helen_au> ") 11:52:14 <helen_au> well it's bedtime here in Australia so I'm heading off, 11:52:30 <helen_au> hope you folks have a productive day :) 11:52:38 * helen_au waves at Manu on the way through the door 11:52:47 <manugupt1> Good evening everyone 11:52:54 <manugupt1> Good night heln 11:53:29 <CarlosRibeiro> hello manugupt1 11:53:35 <manugupt1> Hi CarlosRibeiro :) 11:53:37 <CarlosRibeiro> nice to have you here 11:54:22 <warlordfff> hey manugupt1 11:54:29 <manugupt1> Hi warlordfff 11:54:53 <warlordfff> finally you made it? 11:55:20 <suseROCKs> hi manugupt1 11:55:27 <manugupt1> I took an exam right now.. I will sit here for a while 11:55:31 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, moin 11:55:35 <warlordfff> I really appreciate this 11:56:00 <suseROCKs> hope you passed, manugupt1 11:56:01 <warlordfff> how it went the exam? 11:56:04 <CarlosRibeiro> me too 11:56:25 <manugupt1> Yes.. It was ok.. not that good.. not that bad :) 11:57:23 <warlordfff> not that bad is good 11:57:27 <warlordfff> ;-) 11:58:30 <suseROCKs> hey are we shipping LibreOffice with 11.4 or still the Go-OO version? 11:58:45 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, LibreOffice 11:58:59 <manugupt1> Its in the 4th Milestone afaik 11:59:27 <suseROCKs> ok 12:01:51 <manugupt1> Now I have a few questions.. 12:02:13 <manugupt1> Booth Design and Booth Organisation do we have any points for that 12:02:36 <manugupt1> Or only this http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Events 12:03:48 <warlordfff> you can add your ideas 12:04:11 <manugupt1> Yes.. But What I would like now is to have a new page for booth separately 12:04:31 <manugupt1> using these points at etherpad 12:04:32 <manugupt1> B) Booth Design 12:04:32 <manugupt1> 1) Materials List 12:04:32 <manugupt1> 1.a) Materials you can request from Novell 12:04:32 <manugupt1> 1.b) Materials you can download 12:04:35 <warlordfff> no there is no such need to do that I think 12:04:40 <manugupt1> 2) Checklist (What you should always remember to bring with you at every event) 12:04:41 <manugupt1> -- E.g. tape, scissors, DVDs, etc. 12:04:43 <manugupt1> 3) Common Booth layouts 12:04:45 <manugupt1> 3.a) Suggestions for typical booth with rectangular table 12:04:48 <manugupt1> 3.b) Suggestions for typical booth with round table 12:04:50 <manugupt1> Booth Things: http://bit.ly/hg6vWH 12:04:52 <manugupt1> Tux Paper: http://bit.ly/e68wct 12:04:54 <manugupt1> Cube Cheat: http://bit.ly/f3Ae0x and http://bit.ly/dOdZHc 12:04:55 <manugupt1> FLyers: 12:04:57 <manugupt1> Cheat sheets: 12:05:00 <manugupt1> C) Booth Organization 12:05:01 <manugupt1> 1) Contacting an event to request booth space 12:05:03 <manugupt1> 2) Promoting your event - PR and announcements 12:05:07 <manugupt1> 3) Coordinating volunteers to staff the booth 12:05:09 <manugupt1> 4) Talking Points 12:05:11 <manugupt1> 5) Tips for good interactions 12:05:13 <warlordfff> sorry I don't get you 12:05:13 <manugupt1> For booth 12:05:16 <manugupt1> So that one job is documented in the wiki 12:05:18 <manugupt1> what do you say>? 12:06:04 <warlordfff> sorry I don't get you 12:06:08 <manugupt1> I am saying we already have a nice list on what to work upon 12:06:13 <warlordfff> oh 12:06:17 <CarlosRibeiro> me neigther 12:06:23 <javier__> Have youg guys thought of targeting local communities more effectively by having/improving translations (distribution, help.o.o, wiki, etc)? 12:06:24 <manugupt1> ie booth design and booth organisation 12:06:38 <warlordfff> we are asking if there are any new thing someone needs to add 12:06:44 <CarlosRibeiro> javier yes 12:06:57 <warlordfff> javier__ I do that 12:07:02 <manugupt1> warlordfff, I am saying let it not stale in etherpad ;) 12:07:24 <CarlosRibeiro> javier__: this is one of the listed tasks iver http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 12:08:04 <warlordfff> oh no we shall pass it in the next few days 12:08:10 <warlordfff> on the wiki 12:08:15 <suseROCKs> any statistics to the number of languages supported in openSUSE? 12:08:16 <warlordfff> now I got you 12:08:33 <warlordfff> no 12:08:35 <javier__> warlordfff: I know :) perhaps we should make a list of what should be localised (ideally)? 12:08:36 <CarlosRibeiro> manugupt1: I preparing a page to be updated and sent to all later, take a look, http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors/oS-Collab-Ambassador 12:08:58 <warlordfff> oh 12:09:07 <javier__> suseROCKs: http://www.vertaal.com.ar/ 12:09:16 <warlordfff> documentation for current version is a must do 12:09:44 <manugupt1> Ok.. I will be back in a while 12:10:55 <warlordfff> javier__ you might need to explain to me http://www.vertaal.com.ar/ later 12:10:56 <suseROCKs> javier__, So which one to I click on to get the number of supported translations? 12:11:32 <warlordfff> how it works so that I can register the Greek work 12:12:18 <javier__> suseROCKs: http://www.vertaal.com.ar/releases/factory/ (it's at the bottom, where it says openSUSE) 12:13:15 <javier__> vertaal is used for translating the distribution and guides as well 12:13:22 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: did you see my mail about vibe? 12:13:32 <javier__> help.o.o is translated in a different way (plain html) 12:15:44 <suseROCKs> javier__, that one only shows 12 languages. I just counted 58 in yast. So I'll use that as my base number :-D 12:16:04 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, Dont.. 12:16:14 <warlordfff> javier__ tommorow you may explain to me how it works? 12:16:20 <manugupt1> They are not fully internationalised there are 58 languages.. 12:16:24 <javier__> warlordfff: sure 12:16:37 <javier__> manugupt1: indeed. 12:17:08 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, explain 12:17:21 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, I speak hindi 12:17:35 <suseROCKs> und? 12:17:49 <manugupt1> So when I use openSUSE in Hindi only about 10% of openSUSE is hindi maybe even less 12:18:08 <suseROCKs> ahh that's problematic indeed 12:18:15 <henne> suseROCKs: i18n.opensuse.org 12:18:48 <suseROCKs> so that means I can't say on our talking points "openSUSE boasts support of nearly 60 languages" then 12:19:20 <javier__> yepp :( 12:19:24 <manugupt1> Exactly.. you cannot but you can always say 12 languages which is again not supported by lots of other distros 12:19:24 <warlordfff> for Yast in Greek I know we made almost 75 of the translation but we hope to reach 100% until 11.4 12:19:59 <javier__> vertaal is a tool, and not all languages are there 12:20:05 <javier__> it's optional to use it 12:20:23 <javier__> ie: Greek with almost 76% 12:20:39 <CarlosRibeiro> javier__: wow, thanks for share this info 12:21:06 <suseROCKs> henne, hmm that link doesn't show 11.3 stats. only up to 11.2 and trunk. 12:21:08 <javier__> you're welcome 12:21:26 <henne> suseROCKs: might be outdated. find out :) 12:22:06 <manugupt1> Ok.. What all things can we request from NOVELL 12:22:08 <CarlosRibeiro> javier__: I need to send a congratulations mail to the brazilian translations team. AWESOME 12:22:20 <javier__> :-) 12:22:22 <manugupt1> DVDs 12:22:26 <manugupt1> T Shirts 12:22:27 <javier__> yes, it's very active 12:22:28 <manugupt1> Geekos 12:22:41 <manugupt1> And anyting else suseROCKs henne AJaeger 12:23:09 <henne> project flyers 12:23:17 <javier__> btw, what about lizards? 12:23:43 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, Stickers. And lots of them 12:23:45 <manugupt1> This is my list as of now anything more to be added 12:23:46 <manugupt1> * Promo DVDs 12:23:46 <manugupt1> * Geekos 12:23:46 <manugupt1> * T Shirts 12:23:46 <manugupt1> * Laptop Stickers 12:24:12 <javier__> bookmarks? :D 12:24:40 <javier__> and the other piece of paper with info... what is it called? 12:24:51 <suseROCKs> brochure? 12:25:01 <javier__> yes 12:25:06 <warlordfff> money? :D 12:25:09 <warlordfff> oh 12:25:10 <javier__> xD 12:25:17 <javier__> yeah, that's the thing 12:25:25 <warlordfff> hahaha 12:25:29 <henne> is this a list what you possibly want or what we have in stock? 12:25:30 <javier__> openSUSE pens would be nice too 12:25:34 <CarlosRibeiro> I find a company here in brazil that could make this for 5 US$ each, http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/geekoplush-300x225.jpg 12:25:35 <henne> we == novell 12:25:39 <manugupt1> henne, possibly want 12:25:50 <manugupt1> and usually remains in stock 12:26:24 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, It can be also things you want added to the stock. But do the homework first to determine costs before proposing 12:26:37 <henne> i can tell you whats in stock. i manage it... 12:26:45 <manugupt1> henne, I would like that 12:26:55 <CarlosRibeiro> henne: me too ;) 12:26:56 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, i think $5 is alot of money for the geekos. I'm sure they're less than that in bulk. 12:27:13 <henne> manage it == clean the room regularly 12:27:18 <warlordfff> btw CarlosRibeiro I will print out some Geeko money for the next event I have on Sunday 12:27:45 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, These stuff in my opinion as of now are more than enough.. I am making a wiki page on how to do a booth 12:27:48 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: wonderfull, and about the cost to send some to brazil. 12:27:54 <manugupt1> since all are here its easier to get info 12:28:49 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro can you create a pdf full of Geeko money ready to print? 12:29:10 <CarlosRibeiro> we need to calculate this cost too 12:29:22 * suseROCKs wants to see warlordfff take it to the currency exchange to turn into Euros 12:29:30 <warlordfff> ahaha 12:29:30 <CarlosRibeiro> sure I can 12:29:49 <warlordfff> I can propably make a video trying too.... 12:29:55 <CarlosRibeiro> which page size do you like to have to be fullfill with money geeko? 12:30:07 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro A4 12:30:12 <warlordfff> and A3 12:30:21 <suseROCKs> so that's now A7? 12:30:36 <warlordfff> please do and send it one of those days please 12:30:46 <CarlosRibeiro> yes, this is anther thing that we need to finsih today? A step-by-step to help new ambassadors to record their "I'm an openSUSE Ambassador" video 12:30:57 <warlordfff> oh 12:31:03 <warlordfff> Stathis will kill me 12:31:26 <warlordfff> I have those videos almost a moth an still haven't send them 12:31:31 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: hold on please, this willl be easy 12:31:41 <warlordfff> ok 12:32:31 <manugupt1> CarlosRibeiro, The origami and cubes you made do you have them full res pics 12:32:31 <gnokii> henne there exists some flyer mocks, but always the same dont put me under pressure 12:32:44 <henne> gnokii: what? 12:33:22 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: do you know that Geeko Money have jos signature? 12:33:24 <manugupt1> Or do you know where can I find them at the wiki 12:33:31 <gnokii> I make with the same motifes like I do right now flyers http://karl-tux-stadt.de/tmp/Dokument-1.pdf 12:33:32 <warlordfff> no 12:33:38 <warlordfff> I don't 12:33:50 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro really? 12:33:53 <henne> gnokii: do what you have to do. i was talking about what we have in stock 12:35:47 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: very nice 12:35:53 <henne> and we have project flyers in stock... 12:36:09 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro I gave some children the Brazzilian Penguin you send me the other day 12:36:14 <CarlosRibeiro> I'm thinking about create some kiwi soaps to give toguether with this flyer 12:36:15 <warlordfff> they loved it 12:36:49 <gnokii> henne: I know that they rlihm some months ago did 12:37:35 <henne> gnokii: yes and we also have simple A4 ones 12:37:42 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: cool beans, now that kid will grow up knowing that brazil have more than carnaval, soccer and beautiful ladies 12:37:46 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: thanks ;) 12:38:04 <gnokii> henne yes I saw that ugly thing at froscon noone took one 12:38:10 <warlordfff> hahaha 12:38:38 <henne> gnokii: whatever 12:39:37 <gnokii> henne, I make first the motifes, marketing have to make the text, then I can make the flyer motifes for self printing and so on 12:40:15 <henne> gnokii: like i said. do what you have to do. its not about what you are doing its about what we have in stock. understood? 12:40:59 <gnokii> of course I said I have understand this 12:41:56 <henne> okay :) 12:42:17 <gnokii> I only like to make sure that noone came up with creating something for me ;) 12:42:55 <javier__> hmm, where's the localising section (or subsection) in http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 12:43:15 <javier__> wiki 12:43:36 <javier__> it seems it only talks about translating the wiki 12:43:51 <gnokii> javier__: where is ur tumbleweed logo? have the idea for it 12:44:09 <javier__> gnokii: the idea I showed you? 12:44:22 <gnokii> yes 12:45:17 <warlordfff> javier__ bad choise of words I made 12:45:36 <warlordfff> I will change it now 12:46:46 <warlordfff> even better I created one new 12:47:02 <warlordfff> javier__ are you covered? 12:47:07 <javier__> gnokii: www.javierllorente.com/tmp/tumbleweed.svg 12:47:43 <javier__> warlordfff: what do you mean? 12:47:57 <warlordfff> your question 12:48:14 <warlordfff> about your question on localisation 12:48:43 <warlordfff> I made some changes 12:49:13 <javier__> ah ok 12:49:23 <manugupt1> javier__, object not found 12:49:29 <manugupt1> the link is broken 12:50:01 <javier__> manugupt1: the tumbleweed link? that one works here 12:50:44 <manugupt1> javier__, Yes it now.. chromium added a slash at the end of it and I did not notice it 12:50:45 <javier__> warlordfff: a list of translatable things should be there (it doesn't necesseraly mean that everything has to be translated from day on, but little by little you know) 12:51:24 <javier__> manugupt1: google chromium is very smart :P 12:51:44 <manugupt1> javier__, too smart for its own good ;) 12:51:50 <javier__> :) 12:51:50 <warlordfff> javier__ ok add the ones you thing is important 12:52:08 <warlordfff> and others shall do it too 12:52:19 <warlordfff> make the start 12:52:40 <manugupt1> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Organising_a_booth 12:52:43 <javier__> ok 12:52:46 <manugupt1> Have a look at this 12:53:17 <manugupt1> javier__, between nice and sleek logo.. 12:53:30 <manugupt1> Can anyone review my previous link 12:54:00 <manugupt1> henne, can you check the items which we can ask from novell 12:54:37 <henne> will do 12:54:38 <javier__> cheatsheets in english only? 12:54:41 <javier__> hmm.. 12:55:12 <javier__> warlordfff: I think localisation needs a section of its own 12:55:34 <warlordfff> ok 12:55:37 <AJaeger> manugupt1: The list looks fine to me. Let's add the promodvds@opensuse.org email address 12:55:44 <warlordfff> I'll do that right away 12:56:24 <gnugr> hey warlordfff 12:57:05 * suseROCKs fights to stay awake.... 12:57:10 <warlordfff> hey gnugr 12:57:39 <gnugr> !ola kala? 12:57:46 <warlordfff> cool 12:57:54 <warlordfff> write in Englis please 12:57:59 <warlordfff> write in English please 12:58:12 <gnugr> learning 12:58:21 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, Its morning for you now.. 12:58:26 <manugupt1> didnt you sleep 12:58:37 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, nosiree bob! 12:59:35 * manugupt1 wondering if suseROCKs has turned into a nocturnal creature 13:00:18 * warlordfff turned suseROCKs to a children of the night 13:01:00 * suseROCKs sings "Children! Children of the moooooon! Watch the world go byyyyyyyyyy!" 13:01:20 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet is extremely glad I sing textually rather than vocally 13:01:58 <warlordfff> hahaha 13:02:01 <suseROCKs> AJaeger too! 13:02:03 <warlordfff> I am too 13:02:51 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, A favour http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Organising_a_booth, please check it do some wordsmithing 13:03:11 <manugupt1> and then I think we will be done with Section B and Section C 13:03:17 <gnugr> good is we've no voice in here 13:03:45 <javier__> oh someone has started a translation of the quick guide into Macedonian 13:03:46 <suseROCKs> gnugr, actually we have a thousand voices in here. That's the beauty of it. :-) 13:03:47 <javier__> nice 13:03:58 <gnokii2> mr. jospoortvliet can u plz put in the "booth howto" its funny that others write that again 13:04:12 <gnugr> ment vocalls 13:04:29 <manugupt1> gnokii2, Do you have a copy of that 13:04:51 <gnokii2> yeah should I have but have to search at the backup for it 13:05:18 <manugupt1> Please then can you send it to me :) We can merge two of them 13:05:54 <gnugr> Makedonian? whats this? 13:06:05 <warlordfff> where? 13:06:21 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, I'm looking at you rpage now 13:06:51 <warlordfff> #chair suseROCKs 13:06:51 <bugbot> Current chairs: suseROCKs warlordfff 13:07:16 <warlordfff> #chair CarlosRibeiro 13:07:16 <bugbot> Current chairs: CarlosRibeiro suseROCKs warlordfff 13:07:33 <warlordfff> #chair jospoortvliet 13:07:33 <bugbot> Current chairs: CarlosRibeiro jospoortvliet suseROCKs warlordfff 13:11:30 <manugupt1> warlordfff, I think jimmy pierre already answered his questions 13:11:42 <warlordfff> oh 13:11:59 <javier__> warlordfff: gnugr http://www.vertaal.com.ar/releases/trunk/ 13:12:20 <javier__> there's a lot of to be done in regards to having the openSUSE guides translated 13:12:28 <manugupt1> > President of NUI - FR (Since 2OO1), member of Chartered Management 13:12:29 <manugupt1> > Institute, Institute of Directors and a handful of professional related 13:12:29 <manugupt1> > groups. 13:12:29 <manugupt1> > 13:12:29 <manugupt1> > I started Linux with Red Hat in 1993 and discovered SUSE Linux which was on 13:12:31 <manugupt1> > special offer at a local computer store. I still have the cd and adopted 13:12:33 <manugupt1> > immediately SUSE. When openSUSE showed up un 2004, my user group (nui.fr) 13:12:37 <manugupt1> > immediately started the buzz. We run regular events Nationwide including 13:12:37 <warlordfff> manugupt1 no he didnt 13:12:39 <manugupt1> > Solutions Linux and RMLL as well as localized ones. We have had 271457 13:12:41 <manugupt1> > visits since we made our photos public. 13:12:43 <manugupt1> > 13:12:45 <manugupt1> > We held Install parties in the past and found that to be counterproductive, 13:12:47 <manugupt1> > because people see us as their first level support and this is not our 13:12:49 <manugupt1> > philosophy. We have partners who deal with forums et al and we promote 13:12:51 <manugupt1> > each other activities of course. 13:12:53 <manugupt1> > 13:12:55 <manugupt1> > At the events, we have 95% of the boxes running openSUSE and the remaining 13:12:57 <manugupt1> > SUSE Linux because we have a population of professionals and we hate to 13:12:59 <manugupt1> > tell them that we need to launch an installation to demonstrate 13:13:01 <manugupt1> > SLED/SLES. We are partners with Rouen Wireless part of France Wireless and 13:13:02 <warlordfff> dont put that here man 13:13:03 <manugupt1> > this way we have Wi-Fi because openSUSE without Internet is not something 13:13:06 <javier__> yeah 13:13:07 <manugupt1> > to imagine. 13:13:09 <manugupt1> > 13:13:11 <manugupt1> > I am quite discreet and a check is somehow visible: 13:13:12 <javier__> !paste 13:13:12 <SUSEhelp> Please don't paste more than 3 lines in the channel; instead, use one of http://paste.opensuse.org/ , http://pastebin.com or http://pastie.org/ -- for pics, use http://picpaste.com 13:13:13 <manugupt1> > http://www.google.fr/search?q=opensuse+Jimmy+pierre&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl 13:13:15 <manugupt1> > 13:13:16 <AJaeger> manugupt1: Do you really want to paste all of this here now? 13:13:17 <manugupt1> > My actions on FOSS: 13:13:19 <manugupt1> > 13:13:21 <manugupt1> > http://www.google.fr/search?q=nui+journ�du+logiciel+libre&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF 13:13:23 <manugupt1> > -8&hl=en-gb 13:13:25 <manugupt1> > 13:13:27 <manugupt1> > What I do in parallel is promote openSUSE from the inside. I have been 13:13:29 <manugupt1> > doing this since 2004 in major Corporates like Groupe La Poste, EADS, 13:13:31 <manugupt1> > Soci� G�rale, BNP Paribas, France Telecom, Cegetel, inter-alia. My 13:13:33 <manugupt1> > nickname seems to become Mr SUSE/mr openSUSE. 13:13:35 <gnokii> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh 13:13:37 <manugupt1> > 13:13:39 <manugupt1> > There are numerous apparitions in the press in France and in the UK, 13:13:39 <javier__> hahahah 13:13:41 <manugupt1> > Belgium and on the radio as well. 13:13:41 <gnugr> stop flooding please!!!!!!!!!!!!! 13:13:43 <manugupt1> > 13:13:45 <manugupt1> > I believe that I am practically covering Europe. In 2008, I attempted 13:13:47 <manugupt1> > something in Madrid, b 13:13:49 <manugupt1> I am sorry for spamming 13:13:51 <manugupt1> No.. I am sorry.. AJaeger 13:13:53 <manugupt1> I did not mean to. 13:13:55 <manugupt1> gnokii, Sorry 13:13:57 <manugupt1> Wrong window 13:14:08 * AJaeger guesses that manugupt1pastes everything by accident and couldn't stop it - as usual... 13:14:17 <javier__> !paste @ manugupt1 :-P 13:14:18 <SUSEhelp> manugupt1: Please don't paste more than 3 lines in the channel; instead, use one of http://paste.opensuse.org/ , http://pastebin.com or http://pastie.org/ -- for pics, use http://picpaste.com 13:14:38 <javier__> konversation warns you about pasting more than two lines by default 13:14:41 <javier__> which is nice 13:14:52 <manugupt1> I use xchat 13:14:57 <warlordfff> javier__ we are Greek Macedonians 13:15:17 <javier__> warlordfff: ah, interesting 13:15:43 <javier__> warlordfff: you mean from the Macedonia region in Greece, no? 13:15:51 <warlordfff> yes that 13:16:09 <javier__> I heard that Greece doesn't want to have the FYRM to be called Macedonia 13:16:19 <warlordfff> Yes 13:16:40 <javier__> do you have links with FYRM? 13:16:40 <warlordfff> but this is politcs so let just put that aside 13:16:51 <javier__> sure :) 13:16:52 <warlordfff> personally? 13:16:57 <warlordfff> nevermind 13:17:10 <javier__> I meant strong historical links 13:17:21 <gnugr> FYROM not macedonia is right 13:18:21 <warlordfff> No politics here please 13:18:43 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, ping 13:18:48 <javier__> ok 13:18:51 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, Yes.. 13:19:05 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, so far looking good. I made some changes but not done yet. You can see them. 13:19:15 <manugupt1> Yes.. saw them 13:19:27 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, as for checklist, I would recommend a more detailed list that is printed out. Not just a quick list here. 13:20:00 <suseROCKs> Some people, in rush of leaving town, tend to forget their items and they're not going to go back to the computer to look it up. Printing out and pplacing on top of suitcase will help a lot 13:20:08 <manugupt1> Got it.. 13:20:27 <manugupt1> Ok.. Check the checklist 13:20:34 <manugupt1> Then I will make a pdf 13:20:36 <suseROCKs> so maybe for now, create it on etherpad and then solicit comments from people 13:21:06 <manugupt1> Ok.. 13:21:13 <javier__> where are the slides? 13:21:17 <javier__> can't find them 13:21:18 <suseROCKs> I know jospoortvliet had some ideas as well for a checklist, and I'm sure we all have famous stories of our own of something that vexed us :-) 13:21:55 <javier__> ah, here http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations 13:22:31 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, I think its also worth pointing out organization of booth staff. 13:22:51 <manugupt1> suseROCKs, No idea about that never did a booth 13:22:56 <suseROCKs> For example, making sure that everyone agrees what time they will be at the booth. 13:23:23 <suseROCKs> or everyone will be there all at once, or no one will be there at all cuz they're all at some presentation 13:24:31 <manugupt1> Ok.. and 13:24:39 <gnokii> manugupt1: thats funny 13:24:48 <manugupt1> gnokii, what? 13:24:59 <gnokii> [14:33] <manugupt1> suseROCKs, No idea about that never did a booth 13:25:08 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, also part of organization, how to reach out to your local community to get volunteers to staff the booth 13:25:21 <manugupt1> gnokii, I never did a booth.. whats funny about it 13:25:50 <gnokii> I have to try things before I can write an tutorial ;) 13:26:01 <suseROCKs> gnokii, Try not to put people down. He volunteered to start the page, and he's soliciting opinions and experiences from others to add to it. 13:26:13 <suseROCKs> He's not writing a tutorial. he's starting a page. 13:26:23 <suseROCKs> Please don't twist things around. 13:26:34 <manugupt1> Yes.. gnokii same here.. I just added what others have done.. 13:26:35 <gnokii> suseROCKs: jospoortvliet has since months such a tutorial, somethimes is better to ask 13:26:51 <suseROCKs> and that's what he's doing. he's asking! 13:27:18 <manugupt1> gnokii, Did not know about it 13:27:40 <jospoortvliet> oh noticed this - http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_party_HOWTO 13:27:50 <suseROCKs> saying nicely "Hey did you know there's a page already in existence" is a lot more productive than bashing people. You get nowhere fast that way. 13:28:15 <jospoortvliet> wrong link 13:28:17 <jospoortvliet> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Events#Booth 13:28:35 <manugupt1> jospoortvliet, I just consolidated them.. 13:28:39 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: That one should link to the new page... 13:29:58 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: good! 13:30:15 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: yes it is more helpful to just point to the page 13:30:18 <jospoortvliet> and get it merged 13:30:21 <jospoortvliet> instead of talking around it 13:30:50 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: I dont know where it is exactly!!! I can only say its there 13:31:01 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: I didn't know where it was but that's what search is for, right? 13:31:10 <jospoortvliet> thought you were all about doing the work instead of talking? 13:31:11 <suseROCKs> even saying "I know there's a page already, but not sure what the link is" is helpful too. 13:31:16 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: true 13:31:51 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: sorry but there are ppl they are not employed from novell and have sometimes to work, and they are not the only one who spent the night working! 13:32:18 <suseROCKs> what does that have to do with what manugupt1 did and why you called him funny? 13:32:59 <suseROCKs> anyway, jospoortvliet ... I'm still going thru the talking points. Some of the questions you have there don't really allow for a "feel-good answer" and require some frankness imo. What's your take on that? 13:33:10 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: we should be honest... 13:33:28 <jospoortvliet> and you're right, yes, there are some less nice things. But they are questions that get asked (most q's come from the ambassadors) 13:33:41 <suseROCKs> honest yes, but I'm saying is how to frame them. 13:34:30 <terrorpup> Guys, my laptop is dead, I had the how to set up the booth on it, I will be tuesday before it will get fix. 13:34:42 <suseROCKs> we can put a positive spin on everything. We can say for driver issues "Hey its not our fault, its tthose damn proprietary manufuacturers not playing fair." Its kinda the truth but not a helpful answer :-) 13:34:57 <jospoortvliet> true 13:35:04 <jospoortvliet> well I guess it depends a bit on the subject 13:35:11 <jospoortvliet> can you give me an example? (looking at the page now) 13:35:28 <suseROCKs> I think the drivers issue is a good example 13:35:37 <suseROCKs> under beginners section I believe 13:35:47 <manugupt1> jospoortvliet, Mint has multimedia links why does not openSUSE give it 13:35:58 <manugupt1> jospoortvliet, UBUNTU comes with flash why not openSUSE 13:36:05 <manugupt1> are few very good examples 13:36:31 <jospoortvliet> ok so about the hardware part 13:36:38 <jospoortvliet> I think the current text is good suseROCKs 13:36:40 <suseROCKs> and some of these questions, we need to ask the right "decision-makers" in the Project instead of looking for positive spins on everything. :-) 13:36:42 <manugupt1> Broadcom drivers for some reason are installble easily on UBUNTU / debian based staion but why not openSUSE 13:36:49 <jospoortvliet> maybe add that later versions always add a lot new hardware support 13:36:51 <gnokii> because Mint is a project and only a project and there is no company behind who cant be comf before the court for that 13:36:52 <terrorpup> because of the media restrictions that are place by the US 13:36:58 <jospoortvliet> and there are ways of working around things but they are often complicated 13:37:00 <jospoortvliet> and more for experts 13:37:06 <jospoortvliet> of course openSUSE does offer those as options 13:37:15 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: true 13:37:21 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: terrorpup: yup 13:37:25 <jospoortvliet> those are the issues 13:37:41 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: can we make the Q/A section easier? 13:37:44 <gnokii> its simple 13:37:48 <suseROCKs> the non-company line isn't good either, because all that does is tell the user, if you really want to get away with it, go somewhere that's completely unsponsored. 13:37:50 <terrorpup> that why there a whole page on open page on opensuse-community that explain it. 13:37:56 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: where is that? 13:37:59 <manugupt1> gnokii, terrorpup exactly but they do not get it ;) 13:38:21 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: terrorpup suseROCKs we could just link to the opensuse-community page 13:38:26 <jospoortvliet> at some point there is not more we can do 13:38:32 <jospoortvliet> it's USA legal stuff, nobody likes it... 13:38:47 <suseROCKs> that's reasonable too 13:38:47 <terrorpup> plus, Novell charges for the box version that has license media codecs and I think drive for some hardware 13:38:50 <gnokii> what we do now, is a little bit stupid let me explain 13:38:54 <manugupt1> jospoortvliet, I dont know.. But can we have a first time installer too 13:39:06 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: what? 13:39:18 <jospoortvliet> terrorpup: novell doesn't have a box version of openSUSE 13:39:24 <jospoortvliet> the box version of openSUSE is sold by openSLX 13:39:24 <suseROCKs> manugupt1, a "first time installer" isn't as likely to ask the codecs question though. 13:39:28 <jospoortvliet> doesn't have codecs 13:39:36 <jospoortvliet> (they want to but it's expensive - very expensive) 13:39:47 <manugupt1> Like I install openSUSE for the first time, then I have this installer at my desktop 13:39:54 <manugupt1> this installer is a .ymp file 13:39:58 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: which installs the codecs etc>? 13:40:00 <jospoortvliet> illegal... 13:40:12 <manugupt1> Ok.. 13:40:20 <jospoortvliet> basically nothing which runs on Novell infrastructure can even REFER to illegal things (from USA perspective) 13:40:33 <jospoortvliet> so even the wiki, as long as it's run in USA, can not point to it 13:40:34 <jospoortvliet> ... 13:40:40 <terrorpup> jospoortvliet, http://en.opensuse.org/Buy_openSUSE 13:40:41 <jospoortvliet> I know, frustrating 13:40:47 <manugupt1> Yes.. 13:40:48 <suseROCKs> well, we can't spend the time today discussing what *should* be done about those issues. Our focus today is how to effectively respond to questioners without making them run elsewhere :-) 13:40:49 <gnokii> where is the problem manugupt there exist a thing call 1-Click collection at suse-community, there u can a installer for all codecs and stuff 13:40:53 <terrorpup> The boxed version of openSUSE may be the best choice. You will get complete user manual, install DVD biarch media for just plug in your DVD drive and the software on the DVD recognizes automatically x86 and x86 64-bit systems. All of this comes with 90 days of end-user installation support via email or phone. The openSUSE 11.3 Box is delivered with balsam extensions - a second bootable openSUSE Live DVD. This DVD includes a spe 13:40:53 <terrorpup> cial plasma-netbook image giving you an outlook of the next generation of netbook interfaces 13:41:22 <jospoortvliet> terrorpup: so what is your point? no codecs there :D 13:41:44 <jospoortvliet> just german badly translated to english :D 13:41:44 * javier__ is wondering if having a server in Europe would change the situation 13:41:48 <jospoortvliet> javier__: yes it would 13:41:51 <terrorpup> They use to point out that it had the media codecs 13:41:53 <manugupt1> !mp3 @ jospoortvliet 13:41:53 <SUSEhelp> jospoortvliet: For multimedia and other restricted format (MP3,Encrypted DVD, DiVX,etc) issues, see http://opensuse-community.org/Restricted_Formats 13:41:55 <jospoortvliet> and maybe in the future it will be possible 13:41:55 <suseROCKs> gnokii, Actually it still misses a few things. But even so, if the newcomer doesn't know about it, how does the newcomer know to go to oS-C? 13:42:09 <gnokii> what is missed there? 13:42:17 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: we can tell the ambassadors to help users go there, yes 13:42:19 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: I doubt a server in Europe would help - it's the question who owns it. 13:42:21 <manugupt1> So can this be cited as illegal too 13:42:22 <jospoortvliet> at least I think so 13:42:24 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: sure 13:42:30 <jospoortvliet> but that can change with a foundation in Europe :D 13:42:32 <gnokii> AJaeger: +1 13:42:39 <javier__> jospoortvliet: :D 13:42:53 <jospoortvliet> if the foundation would be EU based, and own the server - problem solved... it's how packman works, right? 13:43:22 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, yes 13:43:24 <suseROCKs> and no 13:44:20 <suseROCKs> to make it happen in a more fluid way, you'd have to disengage openSUSE completely (trademark-wise) from the US-based company and let the Foundation own it. 13:44:34 <warlordfff> jospoortvliet one day you may give me more explanations about the server issue,I have something in my mind about that 13:44:37 <suseROCKs> Otherwise, we're dong just the same thing we're doing now and still not really easily able to connect the dots for the user. 13:45:09 <terrorpup> manugupt1: For ppl that are beginning I refer them to this link because it example how to use up most things 13:45:10 <terrorpup> http://opensuse-guide.org/acquisition.php 13:45:13 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: money geeko done for the A4 and A3 page size 13:45:19 <suseROCKs> annnnyway... as I said moments ago... the discussion here is about the spin, not the solution. :-) 13:45:27 <CarlosRibeiro> take a look at piratepad 13:45:37 <gnokii> suseROCKs: maybe u recognized it not but the trademark would be in future not owned directly from a US company 13:45:38 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro greta, can you e-mail them to me or something? 13:46:32 <terrorpup> Under set up is how to do Media Codecs, Browser Plugins, 3D Drivers and Wireless. 13:47:09 <suseROCKs> gnokii, the openSUSE trademark status is still up in the air. We, the Board, have been desiring to have the Foundation own the trademark. If we can do that, then whoever is company sponsor won't be an issue anymore. 13:48:38 <warlordfff> suseROCKs we must put it down and see that 13:48:51 <warlordfff> as a community 13:49:08 <warlordfff> see what we want to do with it 13:49:26 <gnokii> suseROCKs: we the board doesnt count I sid that before u are not the owner of the trademark 13:49:31 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, Not that easy. Novell isn't willing to do that. Maybe attachmate will be. But tooo early to say now. 13:50:02 <warlordfff> suseROCKs I understand but the sooner the better is my opinion 13:50:24 <suseROCKs> gnokii, no we are not the owner of the trademark and I have told you that. We are the caretakers of the openSUSE trademark, yes. That is fact. Novell has entrusted the Board to ensure proper trademark usage and approvals. 13:50:58 <gnokii> SUSE would be a stand alone company after Attachmate have bought Novell so the trademark for SUSE and openSUSE is in europe then 13:51:05 <suseROCKs> Novell's lawyers turn over every openSUSE Trademark usage request directly to us for review. 13:51:26 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: done! 13:51:43 <manugupt1> CarlosRibeiro, Can you add that to artwork Portal 13:51:44 <suseROCKs> a standalone company with offices in Europe can still have its US Based headquarters. That happens frequently out there. 13:51:44 <CarlosRibeiro> take a lookk at your mail box 13:52:11 <CarlosRibeiro> manugupt1: sure 13:52:20 <manugupt1> Thanks a lot.. 13:53:16 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro they are blank 13:53:18 <suseROCKs> ok I need to take a break... walk around a bit and freshen up a shower before its time to get back to the tasks at hand 13:53:24 <warlordfff> for some reason 13:53:26 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, CarlosRibeiro great job today! 13:53:28 <gnokii> would say there is a difference between own a trademark and are responsible for give using rights for it 13:54:17 <terrorpup> I worked with a lot of company based out of Europe, like Sophos 13:54:40 <warlordfff> suseROCKs thanks 13:55:15 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro something might went wrong 13:55:32 <CarlosRibeiro> thanks a lot suseROCKs 13:57:47 <CarlosRibeiro> right now I'm calling to the linux magazine editor to see if is possible to have publish jos interview about Ambassador Program :D I believe jos has already answer the questionary :D 13:58:08 <terrorpup> guys, I will check back later off to work. 13:58:29 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: thanks a lot for your help 13:58:55 <CarlosRibeiro> get some time and be here before this nice day ends :D 14:00:48 <terrorpup> will do 14:03:12 <jospoortvliet> guys I need a break too, get some food - and I didn't even do much... still catching up to mail and other things meh 14:03:22 <jospoortvliet> anyway, CarlosRibeiro will go after your interview thing now 14:03:25 <jospoortvliet> after food that is 14:03:26 <warlordfff> I need one too 14:03:27 <jospoortvliet> hehe 14:04:19 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro I will be out for a while,ok? 14:04:34 <CarlosRibeiro> no problem mate 14:05:02 <CarlosRibeiro> I will be here until you bake warlordfff, then will be my turn to have lunch :D 14:05:13 <CarlosRibeiro> until you back 14:05:50 <warlordfff> hehe 14:06:20 <manugupt1> Bye... everyone.. have a nice day.. 14:06:25 <manugupt1> or night ;) 14:06:30 <CarlosRibeiro> same to you manugupt1 14:19:06 <warlordfff> back 14:20:18 <CarlosRibeiro> cool beans, warlordfff could I give a break for my launch? 14:20:30 <CarlosRibeiro> to re-energize myself 14:20:57 <warlordfff> of course man 14:21:04 <CarlosRibeiro> :D 14:21:17 <CarlosRibeiro> see you all in about 45 minutes 14:44:00 <gnokii> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeha 14:44:19 <warlordfff> ? 14:48:35 <javier__> lol 14:49:48 <gnokii> found the right idea for "flexibility" 14:50:35 <gnokii> swiss army knife 14:52:03 <javier__> :) 14:52:25 <gnokii> ooh izabel told me there would be a setup of classmate pc in brazil but she didnt tell that mandriva runs on them 15:44:19 <warlordfff> welcome zoumpis 15:44:43 <zoumpis> hello to everybody 15:44:47 <warlordfff> how from here my honey? ;-) 15:45:35 <warlordfff> go to work Slave ssssstssssss 15:45:42 <warlordfff> oups 15:45:48 <zoumpis> i read the announcement about the Collaboration day! 15:45:57 <warlordfff> we are public ;D 15:46:26 <zoumpis> yes i know that! 15:46:35 <gnugr> sales today in here 15:46:40 <warlordfff> I forgot it 15:46:46 <warlordfff> hahaha 15:47:48 <warlordfff> got to make some cofee 15:47:52 <warlordfff> brb 15:47:57 <gnugr> repos with half price 15:48:55 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, ping 15:50:56 <warlordfff> suseROCKs you are back? 15:51:44 <warlordfff> do you ever Sleep? 15:52:34 <suseROCKs> Yes I do. 15:52:39 <suseROCKs> I'm sleeping right now. Amazed? 15:52:46 <warlordfff> hahaha 15:53:00 <warlordfff> are you SleepIRCing? 15:53:02 <suseROCKs> its amazing what wireless can do these days 15:53:13 <warlordfff> ahahahaha 15:54:12 <warlordfff> if you are sleeping and in your sleep you are seeing talk to me on IRC then sorry but there must be something wrong with you :D 15:54:36 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, You never had anyone dream about you? You're a Greek God! 15:55:00 <warlordfff> Thankz I am 15:55:04 <chperobert> Hello 15:55:15 <warlordfff> hello chperobert 15:55:22 <suseROCKs> hiya chperobert. How are you today? 15:56:24 <chperobert> Very good 15:56:35 <chperobert> thank 15:56:41 <chperobert> I want to help that day as I can, I apologize because my English is bad 15:56:51 <suseROCKs> chperobert, No problem! 15:56:54 <suseROCKs> Where are you from? 15:57:05 <chperobert> El Salvador 15:57:20 <suseROCKs> Awesome. 15:57:27 <warlordfff> sooooooooo far away from me 15:57:29 <suseROCKs> sorry my espanol is limited 15:57:47 <suseROCKs> chperobert, I'm in USA 15:57:53 <warlordfff> sorry my espanol are non existing 15:57:57 <chperobert> Ok, 15:58:00 <warlordfff> ;-) 15:58:05 <chperobert> The time now is 9:57 a.m. 15:58:08 <javier__> far away from here too 15:58:09 <suseROCKs> same here 15:58:11 <warlordfff> Me from Greece 15:58:13 <javier__> I could help ,) 15:58:21 <suseROCKs> ooh javier__ our espanol savior! 15:58:36 <suseROCKs> javier__, How do you say "Como esta" in espanol? 15:58:49 <suseROCKs> oh wait.... Never mind :-) 15:58:57 <javier__> jejej 15:59:08 <chperobert> I am aware of the nationality of many of the wiki and ready, it's good 15:59:16 <javier__> ¿Cómo está? <- formal.... ¿Qué tal estás? <- informal 15:59:51 <warlordfff> zoumpis need some help here 16:00:01 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, How about if we start off with something simple for chperobert like help build the events schedule for the year by listing all events in his region? I think tht would be a good start 16:00:11 <warlordfff> those people are talking Spanish 16:00:18 <zoumpis> tell me please 16:00:30 <warlordfff> those people are talking Spanish zoumpis 16:00:40 <zoumpis> ok lets talk to spanish 16:00:45 <zoumpis> hola a todos 16:00:47 <warlordfff> suseROCKs ok 16:01:03 <javier__> what's going on here? jeje 16:01:10 <zoumpis> hola javier 16:01:12 <suseROCKs> zoumpis sounds Greek. 16:01:19 <javier__> buenas zoumpis ;-) 16:01:24 <zoumpis> vale 16:01:38 <warlordfff> zoumpis is the Greek help for understanding our Spanish friends 16:01:45 <zoumpis> estoy de grecia / i am from grecee 16:01:50 <zoumpis> excactamente 16:01:54 <chperobert> En español es sumamente sencillo para mi, pero hare un esfuerzo en usar traductor para Ingles, OK 16:01:55 <zoumpis> excatly 16:02:18 <zoumpis> por eso puede ayudarte 16:02:21 <suseROCKs> opa zoumpis! 16:02:24 <zoumpis> puedo 16:02:27 <zoumpis> xax 16:02:41 <warlordfff> In Greek Community we have a man for every work,soon we hope also to have one or two women also for each men :D 16:02:57 <javier__> hehe 16:03:16 <chperobert> The communication in this channel is only English? 16:03:30 <zoumpis> νο 16:03:31 <zoumpis> no 16:03:37 <warlordfff> I really dn't know anymore chperobert... 16:03:44 <zoumpis> ingles y espanol 16:04:00 <zoumpis> i think so.. 16:04:10 <warlordfff> μιλάμε και Ελληνικά? 16:04:13 <javier__> e português também? 16:04:14 <zoumpis> xaxa ναι 16:04:18 <warlordfff> hahaha 16:04:21 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, the room also is Sign Language. Can you see what I'm saying? :-D 16:04:26 <chperobert> ja ja ja 16:04:36 <warlordfff> yeah 16:04:40 <skoliX> Deutsch? 16:04:52 <javier__> naja, ... 16:04:54 <warlordfff> suseROCKs you ROCK 16:06:00 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, So how many Greeks are here today? 16:06:16 <warlordfff> now 4 16:06:21 <chperobert> @warlordfff, I am presenting the new ambassadors http://en.opensuse.org/User:Cheperobert 16:06:33 <gnokii> skoliX das ist ein guter Einfall 16:06:58 <warlordfff> skoliX zoumpis gnugr and efagra 16:07:06 <warlordfff> plus me 16:07:15 <manugupt1> नमस्ते 16:07:51 <javier__> one of my teachers once told me that Greeks got less economic aid from Eramus but that they were the ones who got the most out it (they know how to party and have fun) 16:08:17 <zoumpis> esto es verdad javier 16:08:24 <javier__> :-) 16:08:25 <skoliX> Ja gnokii 16:08:44 <gnokii> skoliX: das klingt so verdächtig nach Skolelinux 16:08:52 <warlordfff> chperobert nice 16:09:50 <zoumpis> aqui nos saludamos mucho , para tomar copas y bailar 16:10:06 <warlordfff> now we are 6 Greeks in Here 16:10:07 <chperobert> thanks 16:10:23 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, Do I count? Even though I'm "diluted"? :-) 16:10:29 <skoliX> gnokii solix ist ein griechisches wort 16:10:37 <warlordfff> with you 7 16:10:39 <javier__> zoumpis: similar to southern italian style? I've never been to Greece 16:10:44 <warlordfff> the number of God 16:10:53 <zoumpis> no excactamente 16:10:59 <chperobert> Those who speak Spanish? 16:11:01 <gnokii> skoliX: ja solix vielleicht aber da ist ja nun ein K dazwischen 16:11:12 <suseROCKs> javier__, Oh you should go. Athens is so peaceful and wide open and totally uncrowded. 16:11:16 * suseROCKs lies! 16:11:27 <javier__> hehe 16:11:31 <zoumpis> los griegos parecen mas de la gente en Espana 16:11:50 <zoumpis> he viajado en barcelona hace 3 anos 16:12:11 <javier__> zoumpis:which parts of Spain do you know? 16:12:14 <zoumpis> de donde estas?de madrid? 16:12:23 <javier__> close to it 16:12:32 <javier__> ~30 km away 16:12:38 <suseROCKs> javier__, the parts where my friggin laptop and camera are! :-( 16:12:55 <zoumpis> insistes que nos hablamos en ingles..no tengo problema..pero para mi es una oportunidad para practicar mi Espanol! 16:12:58 <warlordfff> ok I called for the Greek power so that I cannot understand nothing 16:13:02 <javier__> :( 16:13:16 <warlordfff> one is Speaking Spanish and the other German 16:13:33 <suseROCKs> And this one Sign Language! LOL 16:14:26 <javier__> zoumpis: si quieres hablamos en castellano,... hablaba en inglés para que nos entienda el resto 16:14:35 <warlordfff> yeah suseROCKs lets talk to Sign Language 16:14:48 <javier__> *entendiese 16:14:49 <zoumpis> οκ 16:15:07 * suseROCKs raises 3 fingers and tells warlordfff "Guess which one is going to stay up?" 16:15:23 <zoumpis> javier: solo se castellano , nada mas 16:15:47 <chperobert> I have my translators on hand to English - Spanish and Spanish-English 16:15:47 <javier__> zoumpis: ¿qué lugares de España conoces? 16:16:12 <warlordfff> suseROCKs mmmmm 16:16:17 <warlordfff> the left? 16:16:25 <skoliX> gnokii: woher kommen sie 16:16:27 <skoliX> ? 16:16:28 <suseROCKs> sure 16:16:50 <zoumpis> javier : Yo conozco Andalucia , Valencia, Catalania , Extremadura 16:17:05 <zoumpis> Javier: pero he viajado solo ena Barca 16:17:42 <gnokii> aus Chemnitz, das ist eine kleine 300.000 Einwohnerstadt 80km von Dresden 16:17:46 <javier__> zoumpis: yo de Barcelona sólo he visitado el aeropuerto, jejej 16:17:58 <zoumpis> javier : xaxax 16:18:15 <zoumpis> javier : quierro preguntante algo 16:18:19 <javier__> zoumpis: dime 16:19:13 <zoumpis> javier : hay documentacion en castellano , lo que puedo transladarlo en griego? (si que hago errores ,perdoname, hay mucho tiempo que no he hablando espanol) 16:20:07 <javier__> zoumpis: hmm, algo sí hay pero poca 16:20:28 <javier__> zoumpis: casi toda está en el wiki 16:21:11 <warlordfff> diamond_gr ping 16:21:24 <javier__> zoumpis: os recomiendo que empecéis traduciendo http://www.vertaal.com.ar/projects/opensuse-guides/ (pdfs) 16:21:35 <diamond_gr> warlordfff ping 16:21:40 <zoumpis> javier : vale..pero que es esto? 16:21:59 <warlordfff> are you working in the pad? 16:22:05 <javier__> zoumpis: openSUSE guides & manuals 16:22:10 <warlordfff> Stathis? 16:22:13 <warlordfff> Stathis? 16:22:14 <warlordfff> are you working in the pad? 16:23:10 <diamond_gr> warlordfff : Nope. I'm working the Weekly News now 16:23:11 <zoumpis> javier : parecen muy bien 16:23:12 <javier__> what do Greek people thing about Spanish? Italians think that every word in Spanish ends with a "s" 16:23:22 <zoumpis> javier : gracias 16:23:31 <javier__> de nada :) 16:23:40 <warlordfff> zoumpis are you working on the translation too? 16:23:49 <warlordfff> of Weekly news? 16:23:50 <zoumpis> yes of course 16:23:58 <warlordfff> ok 16:24:24 * warlordfff is a Dictator 16:24:35 <warlordfff> :D 16:25:10 <zoumpis> javier : los griegos piensan sobre la gente en espana : chicas guapas, futbol , y sagria! xaxaxa 16:25:16 <skoliX> ok guys, let's speak English 16:25:31 <javier__> jejej 16:25:57 <warlordfff> hahaha 16:26:15 <skoliX> because I have a major hangover 16:26:30 <warlordfff> Since when? 16:26:44 <warlordfff> you have aHangover without me? 16:26:59 <skoliX> oh yes 16:27:11 <warlordfff> silence,I kill you 16:27:20 <warlordfff> hahahaha 16:27:28 <warlordfff> ok 16:27:40 <warlordfff> now lets get back to work 16:40:04 <lupinstein> ok, finally at work 16:41:27 <warlordfff> lupinstein : suseROCKs was looking for you 16:42:41 <lupinstein> thanks 16:43:47 <publict> hi guys 16:43:59 <warlordfff> hiiiii 16:44:34 <warlordfff> my friend from Minsk 16:44:44 <warlordfff> how are you? 16:45:08 <lupinstein> ok, I pinged him. Thanks Kostas. 16:45:29 <warlordfff> yw 16:48:57 <publict> im fine, thanks, just reading os-Collab-Ambassador doc ) 16:49:05 <publict> sure you are well too 16:49:55 <warlordfff> yes 16:51:53 <warlordfff> it will be nice if you help publict, we could always use a fresh eye on all that 16:53:34 <suseROCKs> thanks warlordfff hiya lupinstein 16:53:39 <lupinstein> I guess suseROCKs when out 16:53:43 <lupinstein> hey there you are 16:53:48 <suseROCKs> lol 16:54:15 <suseROCKs> lupinstein, I looked up SouthWest from Atlanta to LA. Seems SWA doesn't fly out of ATL? 16:54:36 <lupinstein> Let me check AirTran 16:54:45 <lupinstein> I think they fly to LA 16:55:54 <lupinstein> Airtran does 16:57:10 <lupinstein> about $325 for round trip 16:57:17 <lupinstein> that is a direct flight 16:59:20 <suseROCKs> lupinstein, Delta's a little cheaper at 292 16:59:25 <cheperobert> @warlordfff In terms of approach, what are the materials provided?, as in previous oacaciones only have given me DVD's promos 16:59:51 <warlordfff> well there are stickers 16:59:57 <suseROCKs> lupinstein, and it includes a stop in new mexico where you have to ride a mule to texas :-D 17:00:06 <warlordfff> and t-shirts and fliers 17:00:24 <warlordfff> that you can ask for 17:00:43 <lupinstein> is that with taxes 17:00:51 <suseROCKs> yup 17:00:56 <suseROCKs> as per expedia 17:00:59 <warlordfff> also beyond that if that is not enough you may use your creativity 17:00:59 <lupinstein> because Airtran is $137 eash way 17:01:13 <lupinstein> plus I can use some of my point to see I can get it cheap 17:01:31 <lupinstein> I've had bad luck with delta every time 17:01:54 <suseROCKs> lupinstein, well any way we can cut corners would be appreciated 17:01:56 <warlordfff> me and diamond_gr we made a seperate flier with Greek community links 17:01:59 <zoumpis> javier : hay ningun canal de la communidad espanola de openSUSE? 17:02:10 <lupinstein> I am A+ Business member on Airtran :-) 17:02:11 <zoumpis> javier : en irc digo 17:02:29 <warlordfff> cheperobert are you covered by my answer? 17:02:44 <suseROCKs> so lupinstein Please do go ahead and get your paper submitted. and also coordinate with sshaw on setting up a tutorial session for obs/susestudio in addition to your presentations. We need that submitted very soon 17:02:48 <cheperobert> yes 17:02:54 <lupinstein> ok 17:02:56 <javier__> zoumpis: #opensuse-es (suele haber poca gente) 17:03:08 <warlordfff> if you need anything else feel fre to e-mail me 17:03:08 <lupinstein> I will go delta if they are cheaper 17:03:09 <zoumpis> javier : muy bien 17:03:10 <javier__> zoumpis: hay más gente en el canal portugués #opensuse-pt 17:03:26 <zoumpis> javier : si pero no hablo portugues! 17:03:43 <suseROCKs> lupinstein, well the gotcha is we can't make exact plans until we hear from the CFP folks. Dec 27 is an agonizingly long time :-) 17:03:49 <javier__> zoumpis: las listas de correo opensuse-es si que son activas 17:03:58 <lupinstein> just hope they don't lose anything this time, so far a camera and my car keys, I got stuck at the airport last time I travel with them 17:04:05 <warlordfff> javier__ are you with th Iderian openSUSE as well? 17:04:10 <warlordfff> javier__ are you with th Iberian openSUSE as well? 17:04:11 <javier__> zoumpis: si hablas castellano, entederás bastante portugués 17:04:16 <lupinstein> true 17:04:18 <javier__> warlordfff: yes 17:04:23 <cheperobert> Muy activa es la lista opensuse-es, te lo digo por experiencia 17:04:32 <suseROCKs> lupinstein, next time, tell Delta "Give me your airplane keys and if you don't lose my keys, I'll give yours back" 17:04:34 <zoumpis> javier : quizas.no se . tu sabes! 17:04:55 <warlordfff> ok 17:05:18 <javier__> zoumpis: vente a #opensuse-es y así somos más :P 17:05:34 <lupinstein> my key was one of those fancy one, it cost me about $500 to replace it, after that I stop fly thing, no bad things with Airtran 17:05:38 <zoumpis> javier : ya estoy aca 17:06:26 <suseROCKs> oh I hate when those kinds of keys get lost 17:06:47 <lupinstein> when I flew to TLF, again delta, I slept in a hotel there the window was broke by gun shot, then in the airport because they were over booked. :( Delta got bad omen, I think because North West another airline I will never fly 17:07:20 <suseROCKs> well if you prefer we can rent you a mule :-D 17:08:13 <lupinstein> or drive cross county 17:08:14 <zoumpis> javier : sabes algo sobre systema operativo eyeOS? 17:08:24 <cheperobert> In relation to the presentations taking place in the events, we may choose to have a base template. 17:08:37 <lupinstein> anyway, let me get done with submittion 17:09:54 <suseROCKs> lupinstein, alrighty and then we'll coordinate later this month. I think we can fit all this in the budget. 17:10:38 <gnokii> helen_au the flexibility is also done http://img.susepaste.org/86349013 17:11:13 <javier__> zoumpis: no mucho... sé que es un sistema operativo en plan "cloud computing"... en la nube 17:12:19 <cheperobert> @warlordfff, I believe it would be too long but adequate to give a report (at the ambassadorial lsita) or established after the finacionacion at an event, eg what were the main achievements and goals were met. 17:12:26 <gnokii> javier__: need the tumbleweed idea so that I can begin factory/tumbleweed motif 17:12:29 <zoumpis> zoumpis : si excactamente 17:13:27 <javier__> gnokii: I sent you the link, did you get it? 17:13:47 <gnokii> via mail? 17:13:55 <javier__> no, via irc 17:14:11 <warlordfff> cheperobert I will do that and I will try to make this as detailed as I can make it 17:14:12 <gnokii> javier had to delete my logs today 17:14:44 <warlordfff> but it will take a few days to do that 17:15:33 <warlordfff> Propably along with Carlos 17:15:44 <javier__> gnokii: www.javierllorente.com/tmp/tumbleweed.svg 17:16:37 <gnokii> got it thx 17:18:40 <javier__> yw 17:19:03 <warlordfff> cheperobert propably at the end of the week, the following 3 days I have huge amount of work to do within the Grek community and I have an event to organize for Sunday so either Saturday,either next monday 17:19:16 <warlordfff> ok? 17:26:01 <cheperobert> Like us in the openSUSE community of El Salvador will develop an event on Sunday, will teach you how to migrate from Windows to openSuse :-), Entregaremos los ultimos 40 DVD's promocionales 17:26:05 <cheperobert> Ok? 17:26:32 <cheperobert> Very goood 17:26:39 <warlordfff> yes 17:26:50 <warlordfff> will that be in Spanish? 17:27:31 <zoumpis> that's sounds very intresting 17:27:42 <warlordfff> cheperobert if it is can you send me a copy of the presentation? 17:28:14 <warlordfff> zoumpis can make a translation for the Greek community to make that presentation soon 17:28:23 <zoumpis> yes of course 17:28:24 <warlordfff> zoumpis ;-) 17:28:56 <zoumpis> cheperobert : si quierres ayuda digame! 17:29:10 <warlordfff> zoumpis I told you I will find a way to use your Spanish, didn't I? 17:29:27 <cheperobert> Si algunas cosas me cuestas para traducirlas 17:29:57 <cheperobert> Queria decirle a kostas que entregaremos los ultimos 40 dvd's promos que tenemos en ese evento 17:30:26 <zoumpis> donde entregareis estos dvds? 17:31:39 <cheperobert> En un evento que se realizara en el Pais, el dia domingo para unas personas que migraran sus Cyber-cafes de Windows a openSUSE 17:32:08 <cheperobert> OK, then sent him links to the presentations 17:33:44 <zoumpis> vale 17:34:07 <zoumpis> y tu que quierres decir algo mas en Kostas? 17:34:32 <cheperobert> No, solo informarele del evento, ya que no lo he echo en la lista de embajadores 17:36:33 <warlordfff> ok you want me to add it to the list of ambassadors events?? 17:37:00 <cheperobert> Kostas has to learn Spanish> :-) 17:37:02 <zoumpis> chepe: kostas dice que nos nececitamos la presentacion tuya (sobre este evento) para transladarla y usala aqui en grecua 17:37:14 <zoumpis> estoy aqui por Kostas! 17:37:23 <cheperobert> ok 17:37:32 <warlordfff> cheperobert among other things :D 17:38:13 <zoumpis> chepe : oyes? 17:38:15 <cheperobert> Luego que las tenga las envio. 17:38:45 <cheperobert> Esto seria despues del domingo 12 17:39:26 <zoumpis> vale 17:39:34 <zoumpis> despues del evento 17:39:46 <warlordfff> ok now zoumpis explain to me in private 17:40:04 <zoumpis> οκ 17:40:47 <cheperobert> ok 17:41:17 <zoumpis> dices que el evento estare en domingo 12/12/2010, pero donde? 17:42:15 <cheperobert> Sera aca en mi pais (El Salvador), en una de nuestras ciudades 17:42:38 <cheperobert> La organizacion de esto lo manejamos en la lista de usuarios de la comunidad nuestra 17:42:46 <cheperobert> te envio el link para que veas 17:42:51 <zoumpis> vale 17:42:53 <zoumpis> gracias 17:43:25 <zoumpis> en que ciudad? 17:44:17 <cheperobert> http://groups.google.com/group/opensusesv/browse_thread/thread/f8e9c066f31ab54?hl=es 17:44:31 <cheperobert> Se llama Zacatecoluca 17:44:40 <zoumpis> vale 17:45:40 <zoumpis> por eso en Zacatecoluca en 12/12/2010 el evento estare? 17:45:54 <zoumpis> o no ? 17:46:16 <cheperobert> Yes 17:46:36 <zoumpis> vale 17:46:54 <cheperobert> Salvo cualquier cambio les informo 17:47:30 <zoumpis> puedes informar Kostas en primero si quierres 17:47:44 <zoumpis> anvias por ejemplo un email 17:48:02 <zoumpis> y despues Kostas me informare 17:48:06 <zoumpis> entiendes? 17:48:28 <cheperobert> Claro 17:49:00 <warlordfff> how it is called the event? 17:49:27 <zoumpis> como se llama el evento 17:49:38 <zoumpis> ? 17:50:22 <warlordfff> and we are finished 17:50:24 <cheperobert> El evento no es oficial como, SFD FLISOL, mas que todo es una colaboracion de parte nuestra para estas personas interesadas 17:50:36 <cheperobert> por lo que no creo tenga un nombre especifico 17:50:41 <warlordfff> ok 17:50:47 <warlordfff> I'll write SFD FLISOL 17:50:50 <warlordfff> ok 17:50:54 <warlordfff> ? 17:51:04 <javier__> warlordfff: nop 17:51:08 <warlordfff> ok 17:51:16 <warlordfff> tell me what to write 17:51:21 <warlordfff> sorry 17:51:26 <javier__> the event is not official like SFD FLISOL 17:51:31 <zoumpis> pues podeis llamarlo SFD FLISOL de Deciembre? 17:51:32 <javier__> that's what he said 17:51:37 <warlordfff> ok 17:51:42 <cheperobert> ja ja ja 17:51:43 <cheperobert> no 17:51:48 <zoumpis> ok 17:51:55 <zoumpis> SFD FLISOL 17:51:57 <zoumpis> ? 17:52:11 <cheperobert> Por ejemplo, podria ser: Micgracion a GNU/Linux en Cyber-cafes 17:52:22 <zoumpis> pues 17:52:55 <zoumpis> cuando estas seguro sobre el nombre anvie un e-mail a Kostas ok? 17:53:08 <javier__> mejor "Migración a openSUSE en cibercafés" , no? :P 17:53:10 <cheperobert> Tambien podria estar considerado como un Install Fest 17:53:20 <zoumpis> esto es muy bine 17:53:21 <zoumpis> bein 17:53:21 <cheperobert> Ok, excelente 17:53:23 <zoumpis> bien 17:53:37 <zoumpis> por eso Install Fest ? 17:53:58 <cheperobert> Si esta muy bien Install Fest 17:54:25 <zoumpis> dame el titulo todo 17:54:38 <zoumpis> con fechas y mas informacions 17:54:39 <zoumpis> e 17:54:39 <zoumpis> s 17:54:41 <zoumpis> gracias 17:55:41 <cheperobert> Luego lo informo con detalles, ya que no quiesiera colocar informacion que pueda cambiar posteriormente. 17:56:52 <warlordfff> anyone the title ?? :D 17:57:35 <javier__> warlordfff: "Installfest in El Salvador" or "Migrating Cybercafés to openSUSE" 17:57:40 <javier__> that's my suggestion 17:57:41 <warlordfff> ok 17:58:09 <cheperobert> ok 17:58:33 <warlordfff> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors_events#2010 17:58:36 <warlordfff> done 17:58:44 <warlordfff> am I quick or what? 17:58:45 <cheperobert> here are the 11:55 am lunchtime 17:59:01 <Dominian> Is the meeting still going on? 17:59:08 <Dominian> or is the /topic just hosed? 17:59:56 <warlordfff> its still going on 18:00:10 <Dominian> wow 18:00:10 <Dominian> ok 18:00:13 <cheperobert> OK, very good, sbre la programacion del evento 18:00:24 <warlordfff> enter the http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? to add anything you like 18:00:46 <warlordfff> feel free to express yourself 18:01:21 <zoumpis> chepe: si quierres algo o informas la communidad en grecia mi e-mail es : zoumpis@gmail.com 18:01:25 <CarlosRibeiro> yeap finally i'm back 18:01:37 <warlordfff> hehehe 18:01:49 <cheperobert> ok zoumpis 18:01:54 <zoumpis> gracisa 18:02:12 <zoumpis> ahora me voy y regresare en una hora supongo 18:02:17 <cheperobert> Gracias por todo, ahora se donde se progrman los eventos 18:02:26 <cheperobert> Igual 18:02:32 <zoumpis> vale 18:03:24 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro anyone was talking Spanish for a while 18:03:32 <warlordfff> even the Greeks 18:03:38 <warlordfff> all exept me 18:03:43 <warlordfff> all except me 18:04:02 <warlordfff> Strange things happen :D 18:04:32 <warlordfff> cheperobert did you checked the anonouncement? 18:04:38 <warlordfff> is it ok? 18:27:12 <warlordfff> dominian 18:27:18 <luciano113> hello everbody 18:27:50 <warlordfff> hello 18:28:16 <CarlosRibeiro> hello luciano113 very nice to see you here 18:28:20 <mingomax> hello everbody, I am a new here.... 18:28:36 <luciano113> i am new here too 18:28:38 <CarlosRibeiro> hello mingomax It's our pleasure to have you here too 18:29:03 <CarlosRibeiro> good two new friends here to help at the Ambassador COllaboration Progra 18:29:22 <warlordfff> yeah 18:29:28 <Dominian> warlordfff: yes? 18:29:30 <warlordfff> we are here to help 18:29:58 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: luciano113, did you see this list http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 18:29:59 <warlordfff> Dominian what is wrong in Segmentation under your opinion? 18:30:13 <mingomax> CarlosRibeiro: not yet! 18:30:23 <Dominian> warlordfff: Just a lame joke I was typing in the text box 18:30:25 <luciano113> yes i am here to now more about the ambassador Collaboration program 18:30:30 <warlordfff> oh ok 18:30:32 <luciano113> i go sse this now 18:30:43 <mingomax> sorry iḿ reading, but i dont understandig waht to do.... 18:30:52 <warlordfff> if you feel something is wrong please tell us about it 18:31:02 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: so, today as we are talking is our AMbassador Collaboration day, then we have that page with some tasks to be completed today WE HOPE 18:31:10 <warlordfff> mingomax it's really easy 18:31:41 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: luciano113 the only thing you need to do to help is going to that page and pick up one task to do 18:31:48 <warlordfff> just write in there what do you think about all that 18:31:59 <warlordfff> how to improve 18:32:07 <CarlosRibeiro> exemplo, do you think the ambassador mentoring is a good topic to work with? 18:32:23 <warlordfff> all those and if you have any other things to propose about the ambassador program 18:34:59 <luciano113> i have learn something about a version of suse to develop to ipad and iphone i want to test and write about it i think is a good idea 18:35:01 <mingomax> for example, i am interested in the Ambassador Program mentoring 18:35:24 <mingomax> I should write up there on that list? 18:35:29 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: good 18:35:38 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: yes 18:36:29 <warlordfff> but write mingomax aside 18:36:39 <warlordfff> or you whole name 18:37:28 <mingomax> warlordfff: side topic? 18:38:08 <warlordfff> no go there no I'll show you and after I will erase that so that you can do it 18:38:14 <warlordfff> ok 18:38:42 <javier__> ok, added a new section 18:38:55 <javier__> 2.d) Establishing links with communities from other regions/countries 18:39:27 <warlordfff> did you saw it mingomax? 18:41:13 <warlordfff> ? 18:41:23 <mingomax> warlordfff: i saw you wrote, so i do the same 18:41:48 <javier__> mingomax it seems you have two open sessions 18:42:20 <warlordfff> ko 18:42:21 <mingomax> javier__: i have closed one 18:42:22 <warlordfff> ok 18:46:08 <warlordfff> suseROCKs ping 18:50:04 <suseROCKs> hey guys, how's it going? 18:50:09 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, pong! 18:50:11 <warlordfff> great 18:50:33 <suseROCKs> I'm seeing some new names here today, we must be doing well. 18:50:33 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: do you mind to share that link with your new banners you show me this morning, I mean, could I put that link under the topic Banner 18:50:50 <CarlosRibeiro> over here http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 18:50:57 <mingomax> warlordfff: i put the topic 18:51:27 <warlordfff> where? 18:51:46 <mingomax> at item G 18:52:11 <mingomax> just below your 18:53:13 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: not yet isnt ready for it 18:53:39 <CarlosRibeiro> luizmachado1: luciano113, mingomax /me and ... I believe will be so god for us if we have http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Product_demo translated to portugues 18:54:09 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: no problem, I just aked because I really liked, congratulatins again 18:54:46 <mingomax> I CarlosRibeiro: I can contribute to KDE part 18:54:54 <warlordfff> mingomax I just saw it ,ok 18:55:08 <CarlosRibeiro> anyone wishes to help me to get this one translated to portugues 18:55:25 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: oh yes, you are the KDE guy, I remember 18:55:32 <CarlosRibeiro> :D 18:56:11 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: do you know Sandro from KDE? 18:56:22 * manugupt1 is called when the link is pasted ;) 18:56:41 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: when they are ready depends a little bit how fast the text are made from marketing team and after that, think we translate it again 18:56:44 <mingomax> CarlosRibeiro: yes, I know 18:57:20 <gnokii> because it makes no sense for Brazil or Latinamerica not 10% speak english there 18:58:18 <mingomax> CarlosRibeiro: he is how involved with activities about KDE Academy 2011 19:00:04 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: +1 19:00:56 <CarlosRibeiro> ok, people that speak in portugues, I already created the openSUSE product demo here, http://pt.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Product_demo 19:01:15 <CarlosRibeiro> easy to be done today :D 19:01:59 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: nice work, even though I don't understand it :D well the english part is OK hehe 19:03:19 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: :D yes, then I would like to have the portgues version before I fell down on my bed tonight 19:03:40 <jospoortvliet> hehe ok be sure not to work to hard my friend... 19:04:00 <suseROCKs> hey guys... I'm going to get going and do some stuff around the house. I'll continue to work with the talking points this evening or tomorrow 19:04:19 <suseROCKs> didn't get any sleep last night before starting here, so I'm exhausted. 19:04:34 <suseROCKs> but I want to thank CarlosRibeiro and warlordfff especially for seeing this event through to very successful day. 19:05:05 <CarlosRibeiro> thanks a lot suseROCKs for give us this wnderfull opportunity to make things happen 19:05:27 <suseROCKs> and we even had jospoortvliet with us! :-D 19:05:30 <warlordfff> yes Thank you for your help 19:05:39 <javier__> jospoortvliet: any news about the possibility of writing an article? 19:06:29 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro will you able to do the close up? 19:06:47 <warlordfff> I will leave in an hour or so... 19:06:49 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: oh and think about the images for the article... 19:06:53 <jospoortvliet> we can publish it tomorrow 19:06:58 <jospoortvliet> for today I have something else. OK? 19:07:08 <jospoortvliet> javier__: what article? 19:07:48 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, most definitely. the article will be posted in all its resplendent glory by tmw morning. 19:08:05 <suseROCKs> that will give me time to complete developing the pictures to use. 19:09:16 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: sure 19:09:24 <warlordfff> ok 19:10:32 <CarlosRibeiro> people, I would like to send a Ambassador Callaboration Certificate for everyone that are joing us today, then I would like to have the mail address for everyone at the end of the page http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador?. Could be possible? 19:10:35 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, use #endmeeting when done for the day and then /deop (nick) to deop all of us 19:10:51 <luizmachado1> CarlosRibeiro: ok, I'm going to translate 19:11:06 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: ok, thanks a lot for your support 19:11:46 <CarlosRibeiro> luizmachado1: o mingomax already got this task, work toguether with him 19:12:49 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: he, fun, if you want to do it. feel free :D 19:12:57 <jospoortvliet> don't go overboard with the certificates, keep it fun :D 19:13:48 <jospoortvliet> I mean, we don't need a certificate for every fart we do ;-) 19:13:59 <jospoortvliet> but they are fun, so again, if you want to make them, cool... 19:14:22 <luizmachado1> mingomax: Do you started the translate ? 19:14:31 <jospoortvliet> just make sure - I mean, it's not like we can do that all the time, so ppl shouldn't expect it or anything... 19:14:36 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: ok? 19:14:38 <warlordfff> guys listen something funny 19:14:46 <mingomax> luizmachado1: Yes. i have started the section of KDE 19:14:47 <javier__> jospoortvliet: an article for an English magazine 19:15:00 <javier__> jospoortvliet: remember you said you were looking for writers 19:15:09 <jospoortvliet> aaah yes 19:15:24 <jospoortvliet> too many things on my plate... 19:15:32 <jospoortvliet> do/did you have any ideas for a subject? 19:15:33 <javier__> no worries 19:15:43 <warlordfff> on order to learn how to use OBS a member from the Greek communitty wants to start working the ubuntu recipes program 19:15:47 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: D 6 not K 19:15:56 <javier__> jospoortvliet: I said obs, as in installing obs. 19:16:05 <jospoortvliet> well that's something that will go down easily 19:16:19 <mingomax> CarlosRibeiro: yes , i see it! 19:16:25 <jospoortvliet> any magazine in particular? we could even try LWN if you like... an OBS guide, technical, would go down pretty well 19:16:27 <jospoortvliet> there 19:16:35 <CarlosRibeiro> mingomax: luizmachado1 take a look at the botton of page and let the names you like to have in our openSUSE Collabration Certificate of participation 19:17:03 <javier__> jospoortvliet: hmm, I don't know 19:17:14 <jospoortvliet> might be too technical? 19:17:26 <jospoortvliet> how about linux-magazine, the international one? 19:17:36 <CarlosRibeiro> +1 19:17:40 <javier__> ok 19:17:45 <luizmachado1> mingomax: if you like, I can help you .... where is the page ? 19:17:51 <javier__> my idea is an intro to installing obs 19:18:14 <javier__> (I have never installed obs myself) 19:18:17 <CarlosRibeiro> javier__: perfect, good start point 19:18:53 <jospoortvliet> javier__: or linux journal... 19:19:07 <jospoortvliet> javier__: INSTALL it on your own system? as in, download it, run your own OBS? 19:19:22 <javier__> jospoortvliet: yepp 19:19:29 <mingomax> luizmachado1: i send to you with a private message 19:19:30 <jospoortvliet> that's quite technical, even an introduction would probably be really something quite hard core. Not saying it doesn't belong in any of those magazines 19:19:47 <jospoortvliet> but I would say LWN would be a good spot... they have the hardcore nerds as readers, ppl who could actually use this... 19:19:56 <javier__> I found an interesting topic but too technical as you said 19:19:59 <javier__> *it 19:20:09 <jospoortvliet> most LJ or LinMag readers wouldn't know what to do with it 19:20:12 <jospoortvliet> I think... 19:20:31 <javier__> perhaps that's something to investigate? 19:20:44 <javier__> best place to publish 19:20:49 <jospoortvliet> ok, if you want I can send out some feelers to LWN, LJ and linmag... ask them. 19:21:17 <javier__> well, I was thinking of taking a look at their articles 19:21:26 <javier__> to see the level 19:49:56 <CarlosRibeiro> welcome aborad LuizFelipe 19:50:10 <CarlosRibeiro> very nice to see you here 19:51:14 <CarlosRibeiro> LuizFelipe: take a look at this page and see if have something you may like to work with, or if you like to create a new topic and start to work 19:51:16 <CarlosRibeiro> http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 19:52:05 <LuizFelipe> hi 19:52:17 <LuizFelipe> im here 19:59:41 <nmarques> gnokii, ping... info request: who can make a hackergotchi for one our future members ? 20:00:34 <gnokii> http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=2292 20:00:52 <CarlosRibeiro> LuizFelipe: cool beans, now I see some professional musician helping at the Ambassador Program 20:01:07 <CarlosRibeiro> thanks a lot for your help LuizFelipe 20:06:25 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro it's time for me to go. 20:06:55 <warlordfff> 13 hours with a quarter break 20:07:08 <CarlosRibeiro> warlordfff: :( 20:07:12 <warlordfff> ok? 20:07:47 <warlordfff> remember to close the meeting so that the log will be saved ok? 20:07:50 <CarlosRibeiro> of course, please do not forget to let the name you wish to appear at your Ambassador Collaboratin Day Certificate 20:08:05 <warlordfff> oh I almost forgot that 20:08:22 <CarlosRibeiro> also, I would like to say thanks a lot for everything you are doing for the AMbassador Program 20:08:31 <CarlosRibeiro> thank you so much 20:09:22 <CarlosRibeiro> I will try to keep runing this day as the best I can to not frustate you 20:09:30 <gnokii> wb izabelvalverde 20:09:40 <izabelvalverde> back 20:10:59 <CarlosRibeiro> hum... great now this chanell smells like flowers, thanks for be back izabelvalverde ;) 20:12:35 <warlordfff> hahaha 20:12:58 <warlordfff> CarlosRibeiro are you a grandson of Casanova? :D 20:13:22 <CarlosRibeiro> yes, but just for ladies like izabel :D 20:15:09 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii do you like to give us a interview abut how art-work team is helping ambassador program, also what the importance of a good art-work team for a program like Ambassadors program? 20:15:29 <CarlosRibeiro> I would like to interview you to publish in some magazines too 20:15:41 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: do you like to do that ? 20:15:53 <gnokii> describe interview 20:18:30 <CarlosRibeiro> like this... Hello mr gnokii as a member of a art-team and also a openSUSE Ambassador, could you give some words about what the importance of art-work for any Ambassador program? 20:18:31 <CarlosRibeiro> As you are master of design. what do you think is a better way to get involved and in touch with art-work team to help ambassador program 20:18:49 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: well. the interview will be just like you like 20:19:21 <izabelvalverde> not so sweet I hope :D 20:19:27 <CarlosRibeiro> we can create questions togueter, you answer all questin and I send to the linux magazine editor to be publish 20:19:28 <gnokii> just send me the questions until when I have to do that? 20:20:14 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: you can send anwers back when you have time. no pression, just a friend trying to help a friend to help everyone :D 20:20:29 <izabelvalverde> 2 days :D 20:21:12 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: no pression with the new ones, please :D 20:21:31 <gnokii> mmh CarlosRibeiro u know who the journalist from both of us is :D 20:21:52 <izabelvalverde> CarlosRibeiro I'll watch my step... sorry :D 20:22:18 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: :D 20:22:42 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: I'll prepare some question, no more than 5 to send to you 20:23:09 <CarlosRibeiro> but if you like to have other questions, that you may believe is important to say 20:23:25 <CarlosRibeiro> fell free to adapt or chance my questions, or even to add some if yu like 20:23:34 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: sounds good for you? 20:23:55 <gnokii> mmh dont get that wrong but that are my normal rights ;) 20:24:09 <CarlosRibeiro> ;) 20:24:12 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: I have a q 20:24:16 <jospoortvliet> can you make this look good: http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=openSUSE:Marketing_materials&action=submit 20:24:28 <manugupt1> Yes.. jospoortvliet 20:24:31 <jospoortvliet> oh bad link 20:24:33 <jospoortvliet> sec 20:24:41 <jospoortvliet> http://en.opensuse.org/index.php?title=openSUSE:Marketing_materials&action=edit§ion=4 20:24:43 <jospoortvliet> try preview 20:24:48 <jospoortvliet> and look at it and don't cry please 20:25:09 <jospoortvliet> I can't get it to look so you only see HighRes(eng) and LowRes(eng) and so on which links to the files 20:25:14 <jospoortvliet> tried a lot of variations... 20:25:16 <jospoortvliet> meh 20:25:17 <jospoortvliet> stupid wiki :D 20:25:46 <warlordfff> I finally leave you 20:25:53 <warlordfff> goodnight 20:25:57 <warlordfff> all 20:27:14 <manugupt1> Is this what you wanted http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_materials because I did not get you 20:28:15 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: sec 20:29:13 <jospoortvliet> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_materials 20:29:19 <jospoortvliet> section with folders and leaflets 20:29:20 <jospoortvliet> meh 20:29:24 <jospoortvliet> just added the openSUSE poster 20:29:28 <jospoortvliet> but it pasts it right in there 20:29:32 <jospoortvliet> instead of making a download... 20:29:38 <jospoortvliet> hope you can fix that tool master manugupt1 :D 20:29:50 <jospoortvliet> I really suck at this wiki stuff, the markup - not my thing... 20:29:58 <manugupt1> Let me see if I can do it 20:30:36 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: 0 x 1 manugupt1 20:30:44 <CarlosRibeiro> vivas master manugupt1 20:30:45 <CarlosRibeiro> :D 20:31:06 <jospoortvliet> lol 20:31:07 <jospoortvliet> yeah 20:32:44 <manugupt1> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_materials#Folders_and_leaflets jospoortvliet 20:32:45 <manugupt1> :) 20:33:29 <gnokii> nmarques: ??? 20:33:32 <manugupt1> jospoortvliet, did it.. 20:33:34 <nmarques> gnokii, ? 20:33:49 <CarlosRibeiro> wow manugupt1 is not just a geeko, he is a super geeko 20:34:00 <gnokii> fun sending me a mial here is my photo and forget the attachment 20:34:01 <CarlosRibeiro> nice manugupt1 thanks a lot again 20:34:20 <manugupt1> welcome... :) 20:34:27 <Looser> hello! 20:35:34 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: yes, the image is now looking good... but, ehm, can you also make the other links not show the full file URL but just the short one? 20:35:46 <jospoortvliet> let "LowRes (EN)" be a link ot the file? 20:35:50 <jospoortvliet> or is that not possible? 20:35:52 <CarlosRibeiro> Looser: Hello and welcome to the Ambassador Collaboration Day, put your hands up and see if yu like to tak part of some task, http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 20:35:55 <CarlosRibeiro> Looser: :D 20:36:06 <Looser> :) 20:36:09 <jospoortvliet> I tried with like [ [ File:LINUX-MAGAZIN-Kalender_2011_English_Highres.pdf|HighRes(EN) ] ] 20:36:11 <Looser> ok 20:36:12 <jospoortvliet> but it didn't work 20:36:15 <jospoortvliet> (without the spaces) 20:36:18 <manugupt1> jospoortvliet, Let the others be there, they are looking good.. the poster was to big... 20:36:29 <jospoortvliet> hey Looser now that's a nick I can appreciate hehe welcome 20:36:35 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: ok we let them be 20:36:35 <manugupt1> [ [: File:LINUX-MAGAZIN-Kalender_2011_English_Highres.pdf|HighRes(EN) ] ] 20:36:38 <jospoortvliet> tnx! 20:36:45 <Dominian> the meeting is still going on? 20:36:46 <jospoortvliet> serious, a : in front would solve it? 20:36:55 <jospoortvliet> Dominian: ask CarlosRibeiro but you can always help :D 20:36:56 <manugupt1> Dominian, dont call it a meeting 20:36:58 <manugupt1> yes :) 20:37:09 <jospoortvliet> manu so that's it jeez 20:37:09 <Looser> thank you, hehe, i'm new here 20:37:10 <jospoortvliet> ok tnx 20:37:11 <Dominian> manugupt1: I'm just looking at the /topic 20:37:15 <jospoortvliet> now I WILL fix it manugupt1 hehe 20:37:28 <manugupt1> Dont really... 20:37:32 <gnokii> calligra I think there always on viagra maybe thats my age 20:37:53 <CarlosRibeiro> Dominian: yes thi meeting still runing fast and furious 20:38:22 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: and you're right... 20:38:24 <jospoortvliet> darn darn 20:38:34 <jospoortvliet> tnx 20:38:35 <CarlosRibeiro> and will be on for more 5 hours, 20:38:43 <manugupt1> jospoortvliet, Do review our piratepad because I dont know if I will be look into it after a week 20:38:47 <jospoortvliet> I love you all so much now hehe 20:38:50 <CarlosRibeiro> until is 24:00 brazilian time 20:38:57 <jospoortvliet> manugupt1: don't worry I will look at it 20:39:06 <jospoortvliet> but most likely only shortly before we start - busy busy so I delay things... 20:39:09 <jospoortvliet> I know, it's bad 20:39:16 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: shouldn't you get some sleep before that :D 20:39:16 <CarlosRibeiro> then we already have 5 hours more to make thinks done 20:39:22 <manugupt1> Thanks.. but do it.. 20:39:27 <manugupt1> Bye all 20:39:46 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: not yet, I will only slepp when my mission (our mission) is completed :D 20:39:53 <CarlosRibeiro> do you know why? 20:40:08 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: what, world domination? then get yourself a 10-year supply of coffee :D 20:40:11 <jospoortvliet> hehe 20:40:14 <jospoortvliet> bye manugupt1! 20:40:16 <CarlosRibeiro> We all are having lot of fun I think. wy I should fell sleep. Impossible 20:40:17 <jospoortvliet> thanks for the help! 20:40:30 <CarlosRibeiro> bye master manugupt1 20:40:32 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: you're right dude spot on :D 20:40:36 <jospoortvliet> master manugupt1 good night! 20:40:41 <CarlosRibeiro> super thanks for all you did manugupt1 20:41:11 <manugupt1> Good night... 20:41:15 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: be more productive this day 20:41:42 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: is that an order ;-) 20:42:06 <gnokii> of course it is 20:42:31 <gnokii> u had always 2 weeks holiday in brazil, so now is time to work as u would be me 20:42:47 <jospoortvliet> haha 20:43:18 <jospoortvliet> anything specific you mean? 20:43:38 <gnokii> yes help helen_au with the slogans/texts! 20:44:47 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: +1 20:45:16 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: I quite busy now, but in 30 minutes I believe I will be able to join you and helen to fisnih this taks too 20:46:09 <jospoortvliet> aaah 20:46:14 <jospoortvliet> ok 20:46:44 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: you happen to have a quick link? 20:46:49 <jospoortvliet> I will take a look... 20:46:50 <gnokii> mom 20:47:32 <gnokii> http://piratepad.net/VQM25U4GMy 20:49:44 <gnokii> mmh I didnt know I did a motif for brtzen 20:55:22 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: send it to frank :D 20:55:53 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: I don't really understand the piratepads 20:56:01 <jospoortvliet> so each text is the name of one of the posters? 20:56:06 <jospoortvliet> which needs a slogan and text right? 20:57:32 <gnokii> http://karl-tux-stadt.de/ktuxs/?p=2922 20:57:44 <gnokii> motifes I publishe but there are more now 20:58:08 <gnokii> so every needs a headline, some are good I think and a text about the topic 20:59:01 <jospoortvliet> ok 20:59:04 <jospoortvliet> I will work on it a bit 20:59:12 <gnokii> wait I load up the newest 21:04:12 <gnokii> unbelievable firefox needs 90 % of my memory 21:06:55 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: there it is http://img.susepaste.org/84010398 21:11:23 <javier__> me is back 21:12:29 <CarlosRibeiro> javier__: ;) 21:12:44 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: yeah firefox can be horrible 21:12:51 <javier__> jospoortvliet: +1 21:12:57 <javier__> ;-) 21:13:14 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: jospoortvliet that's is a really nice material 21:13:22 <jospoortvliet> and now I have a little screw-you-guys: I'm going to have a run and a shower, really need that, haven't left the house all day - work work work. need my fresh air... be back around 11:00 (45 min) 21:13:25 <jospoortvliet> but I love you all :D 21:13:31 <gnokii> still working on the last 2 21:13:44 <CarlosRibeiro> yeah I would like to have all of these banner printed big size to cover each wall of my house 21:14:07 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: what fresh air? run, shower what is that here 21:14:25 <jospoortvliet> oh fuck you gnokii ;-) 21:14:26 <jospoortvliet> lol 21:14:28 <jospoortvliet> later guys 21:14:29 <CarlosRibeiro> will be a the most AWESOME openSUSE embassy in the world 21:14:29 <gnokii> I worked the whole weekend, slept only 4 hrs a day 21:16:37 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: I could say, ohh.. poor guy, nice work, go and get some rest, blahblahbalh, but I prefer to say, oh. that's the point, we don't sleep, we just sometimes give a init 6 comando to our selfs 21:17:15 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: and if we are having fun to do something, of course we do good and as a result we get materials like you made 21:18:06 <CarlosRibeiro> if you don't mind, I will send you the portguese translations for all banners 21:18:23 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: u dont get it, I have only to do the same others do, make a lot of noise what I do u know ;) 21:18:31 <CarlosRibeiro> as soon someone from here hands up to do this task :D 21:19:15 <gnokii> which task? 21:22:01 <CarlosRibeiro> to translate banners words/text slogans 21:22:24 <gnokii> before it can be translated there is still the text needed ;) 21:23:22 <CarlosRibeiro> ahahahaha I was alread starting to translate one 21:23:41 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: thanks for warn me 21:23:47 <CarlosRibeiro> :D 21:23:54 <CarlosRibeiro> ahahaha 21:27:40 <gnokii> huhu helen_au 21:27:58 <helen_au> gnokii, hi Sirko 21:28:04 <gnokii> I took a look at ur piratepad 21:28:12 <helen_au> ok 21:28:41 <gnokii> I didnt draw something for Bretzn 21:29:03 <helen_au> oh I guessed the packages on the trolley were Bretzn 21:29:08 <helen_au> since it's about getting it 'out there' 21:29:10 <helen_au> lol 21:29:12 <nmarques> Bretzn is an awesome name for internationalization ;) 21:29:13 <gnokii> no its OBS to 21:29:17 <helen_au> kk 21:29:24 <gnokii> I did a new one 21:29:35 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/84010398 21:31:46 <helen_au> heh, swiss army knife! 21:32:25 <helen_au> I sent in some alternative name suggestions for Bretzn but I guess they didn't like them 21:32:55 <helen_au> Bretzn kinda works anyhow though they need a nicer picture 21:33:43 <zoumpis> hello to everybody / hola a todos 21:34:21 <helen_au> Hello Athanasions-Helios 21:34:39 <gnokii> helen_au: and thats the question what represent the swiss army knife 21:34:59 <helen_au> oh ok. 21:35:10 <helen_au> I thought swiss army knife was more OBS 21:35:14 <CarlosRibeiro> Hello zoumpis 21:35:22 <helen_au> to me Bretzn is more like a printing press 21:35:30 <helen_au> but swiss army knife works too 21:35:48 <gnokii> Bretzn is more a process from some oS tools together 21:35:50 <CarlosRibeiro> helen_au: I liked swiss army knife 21:36:01 <helen_au> ok 21:36:24 <helen_au> it gets tricky for me talking about these things because they are all a little bit connected 21:36:31 <helen_au> Kiwi is integrated with OBS 21:36:41 <helen_au> and I think Bretzn is going that way too, more and more integrated 21:36:53 <helen_au> It's a good analogy 21:37:06 <CarlosRibeiro> sure very good 21:37:52 <CarlosRibeiro> i mean, when we start to understand every piece of the openSUSE project and some related projects and components 21:38:51 <gnokii> helen_au: no Kiwi is the base of SUSE Studio but is still a single project 21:39:38 <helen_au> gnokii, oh my impression was that it was somewhat integrated 21:39:58 <helen_au> ugh. 21:40:15 <gnokii> kiwi is a tool for building images and what do we with Studio ;) 21:42:13 <helen_au> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_product_definition_handling#Create_images_from_kiwi_description 21:43:15 <gnokii> yeah 21:43:49 <helen_au> I think of OSC and OBS as two aspects of same 21:43:55 <helen_au> which is probably not quite correct really 21:44:00 <helen_au> since you have OBS repos etc 21:44:04 <CarlosRibeiro> I have a question about this ... with studio we can create a special image with a different and remote home directory? 21:44:51 <CarlosRibeiro> also we can control versions of images created at sutio using directory polices, like NDS, active directry,...? 21:45:09 <nmarques> CarlosRibeiro, you should try to make one ;) 21:49:20 <helen_au> nother wiki page in need of love http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:KIWI/News 21:49:28 <helen_au> wikis drive me nuts 21:52:39 <helen_au> has anyone considered dropping the hyphens out of that LI-F-E acronym? 21:52:53 <CarlosRibeiro> let's supose that we need to create a infra-structure to support on-demand virtual machines and images workloads, but we have several and rotative kinds of hardware. Then we need to have a datacenter infrastructure to support create, destroy and sync images, vms, and physicall machines without interruption. we can do all this using studio? also I remember that is a 24 hours OEM computer company that have 3 turns and each turn have a dif 21:52:57 <helen_au> reminds me of writing SuSe 21:52:59 <helen_au> SUse 21:53:06 <helen_au> SusE 21:53:13 <nmarques> it was SuSE ;9 21:53:18 <nmarques> SuSE GmbH 21:53:21 <helen_au> yes but it took me forever 21:53:26 <helen_au> I didn't know the u was und 21:53:38 <nmarques> nouns in German are always capitalized 21:53:45 <nmarques> that's why it was SuSE ;) 21:53:54 <helen_au> and who knows where the dots are in delicious 21:53:57 <nmarques> all nouns except the u from 'und' (and) 21:53:58 <helen_au> the bookmarking tool 21:54:06 <javier__> System und Software Entwicklung? 21:54:12 <helen_au> my point being the odd spelling and punctuation are a Pain In The A.... 21:54:31 <helen_au> most people I know can't even use an apostrophe correctly. 21:54:47 <helen_au> actually in Linux Magazine I think I saw OpenSUSE a lot. 21:54:59 <helen_au> (might have been a different publication...) 21:55:03 <javier__> OpenSuse is worse 21:55:03 <helen_au> this week. 21:55:39 <javier__> there's a German guy who writes tons of articles about openSUSE ... and still misspells it tons of times ;( 21:56:01 <helen_au> lol 21:56:38 <helen_au> I can never remember del.ici.ous 21:56:41 <helen_au> I always just google it 21:56:56 <helen_au> but a software writer ought to get it right 21:57:06 <helen_au> (well I guess we forgive the Old School guys huh?) 21:58:41 <CarlosRibeiro> helen_au: yes, but most part of times this happen because the text editors they are using sometimes are already setup to not allow openSUSE in the beginning of lines, phrases, and automatically chances for OpenSUSE. and us that have nothing with that suffer the consequences 21:59:02 <helen_au> yes auto formatting is very frustrating 21:59:19 <CarlosRibeiro> helen_au: we need to do something smart to fix this problem 21:59:24 <helen_au> my sister is a chemist, she gets so mad with Microsoft Office 22:00:04 <helen_au> fixing text editors? 22:00:11 <CarlosRibeiro> oh jesus chirst 22:00:21 <helen_au> lol 22:00:31 <CarlosRibeiro> yes I'm thinking about a kind f viral twitter message 22:00:42 <helen_au> how to actually spell openSUSE 22:01:00 <helen_au> is it that big an issue actually? do most people get it right? 22:01:06 <jospoortvliet> zoumpis: hi 22:01:09 <jospoortvliet> hi helen_au 22:01:23 <helen_au> I think maybe because it looks like fancy spelling small/caps just for a logo, you know - for the design part 22:01:33 <helen_au> not that it is actually spelled that way in writing. 22:01:39 <helen_au> jospoortvliet, hiya! 22:01:59 <CarlosRibeiro> "Save the openSUSE!" Have you any doubt that if the community manger with all ambassadors starts to twit and re-twit this . will bring a nice interesting on people 22:02:26 <helen_au> they might think we're worried that Attachmate is going to destroy us 22:02:31 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: about LI-F-E - please propose that on project I support the idea to just call it LIFE... 22:02:32 <helen_au> not about spelling 22:02:45 <CarlosRibeiro> and after 3 weeks maybe we can publish a article as answer for that question 22:02:45 <helen_au> oh ok on project mailing list 22:03:24 <helen_au> "yes we spell it openSUSE.... more than just a logo" 22:07:41 <javier__> I've just seen you writing your email on piratepad and this remind of one thing.. once I wrote my email on a piece of paper but I used the < > symbols and he asked if they were part of my email address 22:08:00 <helen_au> lol 22:08:01 <javier__> he=a guy 22:08:16 <helen_au> yes it's amazing isn't it 22:08:20 <javier__> yes 22:08:44 <helen_au> a friend just gave me her old computer.. "it's really fast"... well it was, years ago. 256meg ram! 22:09:29 <javier__> hehe 22:09:42 <helen_au> I was just thinking about who ambassadors are talking to 22:09:48 <helen_au> just looking to attract new users? 22:10:50 <helen_au> the 'community' word always concerns me a little 22:13:39 <helen_au> and there I go saying 'community' myself.... 22:15:10 <javier__> helen_au: maybe we could make a campaign to tell people how to spell it right ;) 22:15:14 <javier__> hehe 22:15:56 <helen_au> :P 22:17:18 <helen_au> time for cello lesson... bye for now 22:17:27 <javier__> ah nice :) 22:17:29 <javier__> bye 22:17:32 <CarlosRibeiro> As everything good goes faster than the normal, we are getting closer to the end and last hour of our meeting. I would like to invite everyone that had stop and done something to not forgot to let their names, e-mail address and the topics that are worked at the the end of http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? I would like to give a nice participation certificate of our Ambassador Collaboration Day to each here 22:24:09 * javier__ has just added another event to the ambassadors events wikipage 22:24:57 <javier__> the date and specific city is not confirmed yet. but it always takes place in the same region 22:25:11 <javier__> Party Quijote :) 22:26:26 <CarlosRibeiro> javier__: :) 22:27:34 <jospoortvliet> Ok my friends. I had a look at the poster texts: http://piratepad.net/VQM25U4GMy now it's time for others to help out and be creative :D 22:27:57 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: hope you like my work, now don't say I am lazy again :D 22:37:26 <javier__> another idea: fostering the creation of openSUSE Official Live CDs localised into your mother tongue 22:37:52 <zoumpis> that's sounds good 22:38:04 <zoumpis> javier: estoy de acuerdo 22:38:20 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: cant say that yet have to fix the with the motifes 22:38:40 <javier__> the official openSUSE Live CDs are available in English, German and Russian 22:39:34 <zoumpis> is there any project running abou this ? 22:39:45 <zoumpis> about the creation of live cd's? 22:40:16 <javier__> the distribution people like coolo 22:40:55 <javier__> the idea is to create a Live CD localised, hosted on opensuse.org but maintained by the local community 22:41:11 <javier__> also, there's no need to have a thousand localised Live CDs 22:41:34 <javier__> for example, there could be one for latin america (pt, es , en) 22:42:58 <javier__> in the case of Greece, gr-it-en maybe? 22:43:30 <javier__> perhaps we should better define regions 22:44:09 <javier__> in some cases, it's very clear... Iberian Peninsula, Scandinavia, Baltic republics, ... 22:45:19 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: I really like words, also I give some cents over there 22:45:21 <CarlosRibeiro> ;) 22:46:19 <javier__> French-Dutch-Walloon 22:47:38 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: cool :D 22:54:12 <bckurera> hi all 22:54:15 <bckurera> good morning 22:54:21 <javier__> good night! ;) 22:56:32 <CarlosRibeiro> bckurera: hell 22:56:39 <CarlosRibeiro> ops 22:56:43 <CarlosRibeiro> hello 22:56:50 <izabelvalverde> :D 22:57:25 <bckurera> CarlosRibeiro whats up 22:57:58 <CarlosRibeiro> well we have more 30 minutes left for our Ambassador Collaboration Day 22:58:41 <CarlosRibeiro> Lots of works done, very good day 22:59:23 <CarlosRibeiro> bckurera: take a look, http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 23:01:33 <bckurera> oki 23:02:53 <CarlosRibeiro> brb, time for a glass of water :D 23:17:25 <CarlosRibeiro> all geekos, lizards, ambassadors and openSUSE enthusiasms, 20 minutes left for our openSUSE Ambassador Collaboration Day 23:20:54 <izabelvalverde> CarlosRibeiro congrats! it was a very good work day 23:23:01 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: thank you. All this was only possible because we have such value people like you around us to push us to the best we can do 23:24:11 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: dont forget to buy izabelvalverde a ticket for the next openSUSE COnf next year :D 23:24:37 <izabelvalverde> indeed :D 23:24:56 <CarlosRibeiro> sure gnokii, next conf you will get the chance to meet us I promisse 23:25:24 <CarlosRibeiro> of course using izabel great networking ;) 23:26:15 <izabelvalverde> Carlos btw I talk to Paulinho Maia today ;) 23:26:23 <izabelvalverde> will work in May :D 23:26:38 <CarlosRibeiro> owesome 23:27:33 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: don't forget to give me all details about that talk with Paulinho Maia ;) 23:27:49 <izabelvalverde> don't worry I will ;) 23:28:38 <jaom7> a bit late, just back from work :S 23:30:09 <javier__> hi jaom7 23:30:16 <jaom7> hi 23:30:21 <jaom7> hi javier_ 23:30:42 <gnokii> he jaom u got a package :D 23:31:04 <jaom7> yes indeed 23:31:16 <jaom7> just posted about it via the social networks :D 23:31:35 <jaom7> thanks, compact but with a significant info. 23:31:47 <jaom7> and is already on my bag to take to Ecuador 23:32:55 <javier__> jospoortvliet: got your mail. thanks! 23:33:08 <jospoortvliet> cool 23:33:11 <jospoortvliet> let's see what happens :D 23:33:15 <javier__> :D 23:33:22 <jaom7> we will have a small evento gathering people from the kokoa community, professors and students. So the idea is to motivate them to try FLOSS and start from linux in green AKA openSUSE 23:33:24 <jaom7> :D 23:34:05 <gnokii> yeah jaom7 kokoa made a good flisol event so u deserve it 23:34:05 <CarlosRibeiro> hi jaom7 we have 4 minutes left :( 23:34:16 <jaom7> this is the first event of that kind that I am trying and I hope to make and annual meeting 23:34:42 <CarlosRibeiro> jaom7: so nice, so good 23:34:56 <jaom7> thanks, I'll go fast to the list in the link 23:34:57 <jaom7> CarlosRibeiro 23:35:16 <jaom7> can I just freely add text? 23:35:18 <javier__> btw, who's planning to go to FOSDEM? :D 23:35:39 <CarlosRibeiro> jaom7: keep i touch with us that I gave you my words that we will do everything possible to make this event a BIG FLOSS around there 23:35:41 <jaom7> It was on my plans, but gotta something to do :S 23:35:45 <gnokii> we all jospoortvliet pay for it :D 23:35:52 <javier__> ;D 23:35:57 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: +1 23:36:18 <jospoortvliet> yeah you wish gnokii ;-) 23:36:33 <jaom7> sure. Nowadays I am in Belgium for my studies. But I have strong connections with the kokoa community which is main FLOSS force in gye-Ecuador 23:36:55 <CarlosRibeiro> last miute, than I would like to say thanks for everyone 23:37:11 <CarlosRibeiro> that had been part of this great day 23:37:19 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: was not a wish I demanded 23:37:59 <CarlosRibeiro> everyone one, every contribution, evry minute we spend today 23:38:28 <CarlosRibeiro> was very important for the openSUSE Ambassador program 23:38:52 <CarlosRibeiro> I hope you all had a wonderfull and fun day 23:38:55 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: hehe well in that case I'll take a second mortgage :D 23:39:04 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: I know I did :D 23:39:10 <jospoortvliet> thanks for leading it! nice work. 23:39:37 <CarlosRibeiro> my pleasure with kostas ;) 23:39:49 <CarlosRibeiro> next time I hope we do better but for now 23:39:58 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: be happy I need only a sleeping place for fosdem and I need not a 5 star hotel 23:40:14 <CarlosRibeiro> Is time go go out for a bit, cprepare all reports, keep everyone aligned about what happens today 23:40:37 <izabelvalverde> jospoortvliet I don't mind about 2 star hotel :D 23:40:38 <javier__> gnokii: we just need a sleeping bag... to sleep in a 5 star hotel 23:40:40 <javier__> :P 23:40:43 <CarlosRibeiro> and please people, don't forget to go and let you name, email address and what you did 23:41:01 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: I did nothing, is that OK? ;-) 23:41:01 <CarlosRibeiro> at the end of the page http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/os-Collab-Ambassador? 23:41:05 <gnokii> javier__: I bring the sleeping bag so I need none 23:41:14 <javier__> CarlosRibeiro: out of curiosity what's this certificate thingy? 23:41:19 <jaom7> hehe I just manage to add one line :S 23:41:39 <CarlosRibeiro> anyone wishes to say something before a Close the meeting? 23:41:55 <CarlosRibeiro> javier__: surprise ...;) 23:42:01 <CarlosRibeiro> 5 23:42:04 <CarlosRibeiro> 4 23:42:06 <javier__> :D 23:42:30 <CarlosRibeiro> #action Carlos and Kostas needs to send a report to AMbassadorML, MKT ML and News.oo 23:42:33 <CarlosRibeiro> 3 23:42:36 <CarlosRibeiro> 2 23:42:39 <CarlosRibeiro> 1 23:42:45 <CarlosRibeiro> #endmeeting