15:16:21 <cartman> #startmeeting 15:16:21 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 22 15:16:21 2011 UTC. The chair is cartman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:16:21 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:16:36 <cartman> #meetingtopic Welcome to the openSUSE KDE community IRC meeting! Please wait with other discussion until the meeting is over. This meeting is logged. 15:16:55 <cartman> Hello everyone! =) 15:17:18 <cartman> #topic old action items 15:17:39 <cartman> #meetingtopic Welcome to the openSUSE KDE community IRC meeting! Please wait with other discussion until the meeting is over. This meeting is logged. 15:17:48 <cartman> uhm bugbot not working? 15:18:26 <cartman> cb400f: can you op bugbot too pls? 15:18:38 <wstephenson_> back, with baby 15:18:41 <cartman> :D 15:19:07 <wstephenson_> so mrs bille is in some important call and bille jr woke up 15:19:11 <wstephenson_> where are we? 15:19:13 <cartman> =) 15:19:16 <wstephenson_> did you find the mgmt links? 15:19:19 <cartman> wstephenson: bugbot needs op to move on 15:19:22 <cartman> yeah 15:19:38 <wstephenson_> cartman: i op it as required for meetings 15:19:42 <wstephenson_> as you seem to have done 15:19:54 <cartman> hmm changing topic didn't work though 15:20:15 <wstephenson_> apparently the uk team at the 2012 olympics may have to compete naked if my wife doesn't give this call her undivided attention. 15:20:20 <cb400f> try again.. I just op'ed it 15:20:30 <cartman> #meetingtopic Welcome to the openSUSE KDE community IRC meeting! Please wait with other discussion until the meeting is over. This meeting is logged. 15:20:42 <cartman> ok, old action items 15:20:51 <cartman> do we have any ? 15:20:59 <wstephenson_> let's pretend not. 15:21:12 <cartman> #topic status report 15:21:23 <cartman> wstephenson_: whats the status of 4.7 packages in KDF? 15:21:45 <wstephenson_> i am in progress porting KDF fixed to KUSC 15:21:52 <wstephenson_> then i will copy KUSC back to KDF 15:22:02 <wstephenson_> at the same time, dirk is doing 4.7beta2 in a clone of KUSC 15:22:05 <cartman> ok, is any help needed from us atm. ? 15:22:30 <wstephenson_> once he has go tthe final tarballs done, and i have moved 4.7 to KDF, he will repeat the upload, with KDF as target. 15:22:42 <cartman> sounds like a plan, cool 15:23:03 <wstephenson_> i will post the list of packages to fix in KUSC to the list now 15:23:14 <cartman> ok 15:23:15 <wstephenson_> you could help there if you want to, it's mostly just fiddly manual work 15:23:23 <wstephenson_> a few things need rediffing 15:23:28 <wstephenson_> the usual stuff :) 15:23:32 <cartman> #action wstephenson Post list of packages to fix in KUSC 15:23:54 <alin> wstephenson_: then is not bad... 15:24:01 <cartman> wstephenson_: anything else from your side? 15:24:03 <wstephenson_> no, titti did most of the work 15:24:06 <alin> wstephenson_: naked UK olympic team... 15:24:07 <wstephenson_> no, that's all i've been doing. 15:24:22 <wstephenson_> alin: down boy! 15:24:30 <cartman> we approve naked olympics 15:24:45 <wstephenson_> cartman: agenda item++: my parental leave 15:25:11 <cartman> ok do we somehow add it to agenda? #agenda something? 15:25:30 <dirkMob> cartman: the test project is in KDE:Release:47 15:25:31 <wstephenson_> cartman: no 15:25:37 <cartman> wstephenson_: ok 15:25:41 <dirkMob> cartman: not with the final tarballs yet 15:25:45 <cartman> dirkMob: cool! 15:25:53 <cartman> dirkMob: when is your holidays starting? 15:27:08 <cartman> From my side, I'll start fixing packages from the list wstephenson_ posts 15:27:15 <dirkMob> cartman: holidays? 15:27:21 <cartman> #action cartman start fixing packages from the list wstephenson posts 15:27:30 <cartman> dirkMob: usual 2 weeks summer holiday? :) 15:27:39 <wstephenson_> wasn't dirk just on holiday? 15:27:51 <cartman> even better then :) 15:27:51 <dirkMob> cartman: I just had vacation, although I can barely remember it anymore :) 15:28:00 <cartman> dirkMob: sorry! :) 15:28:03 <dirkMob> cartman: next vacation is not before end of september 15:28:07 <wstephenson_> nice to know the suse machine is working properly then 15:28:10 <cartman> ok anyone else want to give updates? 15:28:23 * mrdocs waves 15:28:26 <mrdocs> sory im late 15:28:28 <cartman> mrdocs: please 15:29:01 <cartman> mrdocs: any updates? 15:29:19 <cb400f> maybe it should be mentioned that javier created kr46/kdepim46 15:29:26 <cartman> Yes 15:29:31 <mrdocs> i pushed scribus 1.4.0.rc5 into Factory 15:29:44 <cartman> mrdocs: thanks for that =) 15:29:45 <mrdocs> last rc i think then 1.4 final 15:29:46 <mrdocs> and 15:29:59 <mrdocs> then i will prepare a maintenance update for 11.4 15:30:31 <mrdocs> why so many RCs fixing OSC and Ubuntu bugs :S 15:30:38 <mrdocs> +? 15:30:39 <cartman> mrdocs: thats life 15:30:43 * mrdocs nods 15:30:51 <mrdocs> but its really solid now 15:30:54 * javier is half-present 15:30:59 <wstephenson_> so for 12.1 15:31:04 <wstephenson_> kde 4.7 15:31:12 <wstephenson_> pim migration from 4.4 to 4.7 tested 15:31:18 <wstephenson_> nm 0.9 working 15:31:18 <cartman> Thanks cb400f reminding me that we now have a kdepim46 project under KR46, thanks to javier 15:31:24 <cartman> we need to test kdepim46 heavily 15:31:29 * mrdocs nods 15:31:34 <wstephenson_> i have tasked maxlin with that 15:31:56 <cartman> #action maxlin finish 4.4 to 4.7 kdepim migration tests 15:32:14 <cartman> I'll myself switch to KMail v1 first for my IMAP account 15:32:16 <cartman> and do an update 15:32:16 <wstephenson_> atm to 4.6, that should give us a repeatable set of tests we can use going forward 15:32:42 <wstephenson_> i would also like to get maxlin active with the community 15:32:46 <cb400f> I think I'll try moving my 11.4 pim data/settings to the laptop when 4.7 gets into factory and see how bad it goes 15:32:57 <cartman> cb400f: very nice 15:32:58 <wstephenson_> maybe sharing his experiences with joining us in a blog 15:33:12 <cb400f> "factory" = kdf/11.4 in this case 15:33:38 <mrdocs> wstephenson_: maxlin is ? 15:33:39 <wstephenson_> the important thing to remember with pim is that it is migration that will create pain for users, not clean installs 15:33:39 <cartman> wstephenson_: we can do that after management things are over later this month 15:33:42 <tigerfoot> for repeatitive test, I can set an account with for exemple all opensuse-ml lists in it, wstephenson_ just forward the word to maxlin if he need that 15:33:58 <wstephenson_> mrdocs: our new booster in beijing, who we freed from the gnome SLED dungeon 15:34:04 <cartman> tigerfoot: that would be useful for us 15:34:05 <mrdocs> LOL 15:34:32 <tigerfoot> cartman: put an action to ping me back (as I'm a bit away of my office just now, and could forget ) 15:34:40 <cartman> kdepim gave us headaches before and its coming even more stronger now 15:34:55 <cartman> #action tigerfoot create dummy mail accounts with opensuse-mls inside 15:35:04 <wstephenson_> tigerfoot: i'll get him to document and share his test protocols on the wiki, so we can all do the same tests 15:35:24 <tigerfoot> #action tigerfoot, renew also the cardav/caldav test server 15:35:40 <cartman> anyone else want to give updates? 15:35:56 <wstephenson_> apart from that i don't expect a lot of pain from 4.7, upstream are trying to take it steady with the desktop while -active gets the new features 15:36:02 * tigerfoot can plug several tests accounts if needed .. 15:36:12 <cartman> tigerfoot: I'll ask for one! 15:36:29 <cartman> I can bravely test when its not my main account ;) 15:36:30 <mrdocs> guys go to run... bbiaw 15:36:46 <wstephenson_> regarding active, do we want to make it/netbook more prominent in 12.1? 15:36:55 <wstephenson_> if so, add it to kdm as a session 15:37:06 <wstephenson_> might also be a good starter task for maxlin 15:37:13 <cartman> wstephenson_: no harm in adding a kdm session for it 15:37:16 <dirkMob> wstephenson_: is it already in factory? 15:37:22 <tigerfoot> wstephenson_: aren't it already available in 4.6.4 ? 15:37:27 <cartman> sebas_: are you around? 15:38:04 <cartman> we have a KDE:Active project inside OBS 15:38:18 <cartman> but I don't think its stable enough to push to factory 15:38:24 <cartman> we can however do live Active CDs 15:38:41 <wstephenson_> dirkMob: cartman is right 15:39:06 <wstephenson_> basically there are 4-5 additional packages that go on top of 4.7, that upstream are maintaining in KDE:Active 15:39:35 <cartman> lets just do a live cd in time for 12.1 with Active then ? 15:40:06 <dirkMob> hmm 15:40:12 <wstephenson_> cartman: i think by the time 12.1 is done it might be worth including 15:40:12 <dirkMob> will it be stable until 12.1 ? 15:40:23 <cartman> dirkMob: supposed to be, yes 15:40:30 <tigerfoot> wstephenson_: just a question, during your hollidays (:-) who maintain pnm 0.9 ? 15:40:39 <wstephenson_> just doing a livecd will be duplicating what downstream are doing with the Balsam live images 15:40:57 <wstephenson_> tigerfoot: i'll get to that when we are done discussing active 15:41:10 <cartman> we can push them to Factory when they are stable, need sebas' input here 15:42:50 <cartman> lets discuss this with sebas first? 15:43:28 <wstephenson_> ok, but keep in mind he has his own schedule for openslx 15:43:50 <cartman> well we can do the work, I just need an idea about how stable Active is, will be. 15:43:59 <wstephenson_> atm it's hot 15:44:11 <wstephenson_> tigerfoot: regarding PNM 15:44:15 <cartman> hot things are bad for body ;) 15:44:31 <wstephenson_> i'm happy to keep upstream (lamarque's) nm09 codebase in factory 15:44:40 * tigerfoot open the window (cartman recomandation) 15:44:57 <cartman> Let me switch to Q&A 15:45:02 <wstephenson_> i will keep working on my branch and hopefully will merge them before 12.1 15:45:10 <cartman> #topic Q&A, misc 15:45:26 <tigerfoot> wstephenson_: ok for the moment we have two branches ... 15:45:32 <cartman> wstephenson_: can we ask maxlin to do tests with new pnm too? 15:45:36 <cartman> he did some wireless work already 15:46:07 <tigerfoot> and wwan testing is important ( painfull as it always cost money ) 15:46:21 <cartman> I have no idea about testing wwan 15:46:22 <wstephenson_> cartman: if needed, not sure if he has test hardware for it 15:46:23 <cartman> ouch 15:46:39 <wstephenson_> i can test wwan 15:46:44 <cartman> I can test basic WEP/WPA/802.1x 15:46:57 <wstephenson_> i thought you had wwan at home? 15:47:08 <cartman> wwan means tethering? 15:47:10 <wstephenson_> and you can test openvpn 15:47:25 <wstephenson_> no, 3g/umts 15:47:32 <cartman> uhm no I tether :-) 15:47:37 <tigerfoot> cartman: wwan = 3g umts hdspa etc ... 15:47:44 <cartman> I can test openvpn yes. 15:48:04 <wstephenson_> np 15:48:10 <cartman> so just leaves us with someone testing wwan, which wstephenson_ can do, ok :) 15:48:13 * tigerfoot able (already) openvpn, umts, wifi abg (not n) 15:48:14 <wstephenson_> well i can test umts, got 2 sets of hardware 15:48:28 <wstephenson_> cartman: if you want to start popping sims, i can give you a usb surfstick 15:48:33 <cb400f> iirc titti and alin have mobile broadband too 15:48:33 * tigerfoot + ipv6 :-) 15:48:42 <wstephenson_> where maxlin could help is with CDMA 15:48:44 <cartman> wstephenson_: if you have a spare one, sure 15:49:01 <wstephenson_> (when i get my branch merged, lamarque's comments out cdma support) 15:49:10 <wstephenson_> ok 15:49:14 <wstephenson_> any more q's on PNM? 15:49:17 <cb400f> will test results with lamarque's stuff still be valid after the merge? 15:49:39 <cartman> cb400f: no but in the worst case we 15:49:39 <wstephenson_> cb400f: the 3g stuff will need retesting 15:49:45 <cartman> we'll go with lamarque's code 15:49:46 <wstephenson_> the rest is the same 15:49:50 <wstephenson_> cartman: +1 15:49:51 <tigerfoot> cb400f: hacknight during osc11 with pizza :-) 15:50:04 <cb400f> ok.. not so bad then :-) 15:50:26 <cartman> we should not fear to report bugs, so we know how bad the situation is 15:50:28 <wstephenson_> cb400f: there is a red voda PCMCIA card you can have now on my test machine desk 15:50:42 <wstephenson_> i will give you the surfstick too 15:50:43 <alin> boys do not destroy the 3G support again... you force me to go to pub 15:50:51 <wstephenson_> alin: we'll be gentle 15:51:07 <cartman> alin: its OK if its a British pub 15:51:11 <cartman> somehow :P 15:51:28 <alin> cartman: I am in Dublin... so going to a british pub.. would not be very ok 15:51:33 <cartman> heheh 15:51:45 <cartman> s/Brit/Ir 15:52:06 <wstephenson_> other Q's? 15:52:13 <cartman> so pim & pnm are our focus areas 15:52:37 <alin> now that titti is away... do we still get weekly unstable? 15:52:38 <wstephenson_> cartman: branding is a minor but important 12.1 feature 15:52:48 <wstephenson_> alin: probably not until he gets back from holidays 15:52:58 <wstephenson_> but you get 4.7rc1 next week anyway 15:53:01 <cartman> alin: I'd rather not break his stuff 15:53:05 <cartman> but yeah 15:53:10 <cartman> Dirk will update us anyhow 15:53:10 <alin> wstephenson_: good... let us hope todays update is fine 15:53:13 <wstephenson_> alin: i am tinkering with KUSC anyway 15:53:26 <alin> wstephenson_: I am on qt48 repo so... 15:53:32 <wstephenson_> javier: any info on 12.1 branding? 15:53:36 <cartman> wstephenson_: for branding, should we also take care of upstream branding packages? 15:54:24 <alin> wstephenson_: I have some thing... there are few packages with only one file... 15:54:30 <wstephenson_> cartman: they are automatically generated from the upstream tarballs 15:54:35 <alin> wstephenson_: should not we just try to merge them 15:54:43 <alin> wstephenson: kde-session is one of them 15:54:46 <wstephenson_> cartman: when the theme name changes you need to add it o the file list, that's all 15:54:53 <cartman> wstephenson_: ah ok 15:55:23 <wstephenson_> i'll clean up and finish the branding howto in my evenings 15:55:37 <javier> wstephenson_: not really. Robert will talk with the SUSE Studio people about it 15:55:54 <javier> ah wait 15:56:05 <wstephenson_> javier: why, are garrett and andy fitz doing opensuse branding now? 15:56:06 <javier> that's regarding the based on openSUSE branding 15:58:01 <wstephenson_> alin: they are separate packages so that people can change things by installing packages 15:58:15 <wstephenson_> merging packages does not gain anything 15:59:06 <wstephenson_> cartman: you may get some internal flak because the groupwise kresource won't work in pim 4.6 15:59:15 <cartman> wstephenson_: gah 15:59:24 <alin> wstephenson_: of course it gains... saves obs... 15:59:33 <cartman> its only working half of the time now 15:59:45 <wstephenson_> but they can use evo, the java client, or the web client. or resource maintaining that properly 15:59:48 <alin> wstephenson_: but I do not see why someone would like the .desktop file to start kde without the kde... 16:00:00 <cartman> wstephenson_: ok I'll keep that in mind 16:00:03 <wstephenson_> alin: there is more than one kde session now 16:00:15 <wstephenson_> cartman: just so you can give them an enlightened fsck off 16:00:26 <cartman> wstephenson_: heheh 16:01:12 <wstephenson_> other than that, systemd might give us some problems at the kdm level 16:01:19 <wstephenson_> they say it won't but i don't trust them 16:01:30 <cartman> We'll keep a close eye on that 16:01:56 <wstephenson_> if you can encourage our community to test factory in systemd mode as early as possible, it would be great 16:02:10 <cartman> I'll try that when its stable 16:02:13 <cartman> its too broken atm. 16:02:19 <cb400f> is systemd currently default in m1 (m2?) 16:02:26 <tigerfoot> wstephenson_: for systemd I've some trouble to connect the dbus socket but don't have time to debug it. 16:02:26 <cb400f> hmm 16:02:30 <cartman> cb400f: I don't think so 16:02:40 <tigerfoot> wstephenson_: perhaps fcrozat has already fixed that ... 16:02:54 <cartman> tigerfoot: lets always report those bugs 16:02:59 <cartman> don't wait until you can debug it 16:03:02 <cartman> at least for systemd 16:04:11 <tigerfoot> cartman: if I can't connect to internet I can't report them with error messages etc ... but anyway it on it's way 16:04:45 <cartman> tigerfoot: have some internet sir, then 16:05:23 * tigerfoot ask God to push a bit the fiber arrival here :-) 16:06:24 <wstephenson_> cartman are you cc'ed on the systemd umbrella bug? 16:06:36 <cartman> wstephenson_: not yet, I'll add myself 16:07:20 <wstephenson_> bnc#696902 16:07:38 <wstephenson_> ok, i gtg 16:07:43 <wstephenson_> final from me: 16:07:44 <cartman> ok 16:07:48 <wstephenson_> parentlal leave 16:08:00 <cartman> have fun! 16:08:15 <wstephenson_> w8 16:08:20 <wstephenson_> i am away from monday 16:08:24 <wstephenson_> until sept 1 16:08:33 <wstephenson_> i will still be around as a community guy 16:08:37 <wstephenson_> so be nice to me :) 16:08:44 <cartman> we'll :) 16:09:01 <wstephenson_> i hope to get into blogging again 16:09:14 <cartman> that would be nice :) 16:09:23 <wstephenson_> ok 16:09:38 <cartman> anyone else before finishing up? :) 16:10:22 <cartman> alright 16:10:25 <cartman> #endmeeting