15:09:30 #startmeeting 15:09:30 Meeting started Wed Mar 30 15:09:30 2011 UTC. The chair is wstephenson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:09:30 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:11:35 present 15:12:15 llunak,llunak_,cb400f, anaumov, sebas,tigerfoot,tittiatcoke, javier,javier_, remur_030,mrdocs: meeting 15:12:18 tittiatcoke: noted 15:12:27 so, what are we going to talk about? 15:12:30 * mrdocs waves 15:12:44 For discussion this week: 15:12:50 * Remove SLE11, 11.2 and 11.3 from KDE:Unstable:Playground (krop) 15:13:09 + the usual things 15:13:32 * tigerfoot sorry not able to participate, busy. but if needed ping me, good meetings 15:13:52 tigerfoot: thanks 15:14:16 Who else is in the meeting ? 15:14:23 dunno 15:14:28 :-) 15:14:29 do we have anything else to talk about? 15:14:45 maybe they were waiting for an announcement 15:14:48 Well, maybe the outcome of the brainstorm for 11.4+ ? 15:14:51 * tigerfoot feel this one will become the shortest meeting really hard to beat :D 15:14:55 yeah 15:14:57 or maybe they are sulking because i'm a bit absent these days 15:15:08 #action wstephenson summarise brainstorm meeting 15:15:35 i'll get the log out and summarise after krop's item 15:15:40 Ok. 15:15:42 then write some minutes 15:15:46 wstephenson: this meeeting is not on the news.o.o ical this time, could be that ? 15:16:02 tigerfoot: yep 15:16:18 tigerfoot: for somebody who's not participating, you're very visible. perhaps you're trolling? :P 15:17:07 now I use the time of window's rebooting :D 15:17:09 so, old action items 15:17:26 * wstephenson: talk to dirk about KUSC updating - done 15:17:39 although i fear i did it in the least effort mode 15:17:51 good grief, anna is sucking on a micro usb jack 15:18:12 bzzzt 15:18:38 I noticed that one :-) dirk contacted me via email. Wrote a reply back, but no reply yet. So I guess that we are still stuck with an un-updated Unstable. 15:18:44 yes 15:19:15 dirk: there? 15:19:30 If you agree, then I will push the changes around kdegraphics this weekend to unstable and update to the latest trunk version. I will start doing that every weekend until we get word from dirk :-) 15:20:06 i think it's ok to do so. KUSC is unstable after all. 15:20:27 Ok. 15:20:47 any objections to pushing scribus 1.5.0.svn into playground ? 15:21:11 * wstephenson glares at mrdocs and points at /topic 15:21:15 but nope :) 15:21:23 #action tittiatcoke will work on providing a weekly update for KDE:Unstable:SC 15:21:25 oops 15:21:29 no krop 15:21:56 so let's find the brainstorming notes 15:22:33 while i do that: sorry i'm not very active here atm, but i let some SLE stuff get backlogged while doing 11.4 and the india trip, and now it's haunting me. 15:22:52 wstephenson: I guess that krop wants to reduce the buildpower for OBS by reducing the targets for Playground. 15:23:05 yes 15:23:12 and it's a good idea IMO 15:23:47 Agreed. 15:24:02 i also think its a good idea 15:24:04 most of the stuff there requires at least 4.6 or higher 15:24:21 and i can't get 4.6 to build on SLE, everything in KDS is red 15:24:41 unless someone wants a fulltime job for a few days, we can't support it 15:24:42 as long as we can keep KDF on 11.3 for a while 15:25:01 If we all agree, then I will clean-up Playground to have only repo's with KDE 4.6 or higher 15:25:04 * cb400f saw today that RHEL6 has 4.3.4.. so SLE is much better with 4.3.5 ;-) 15:25:08 mrdocs: we'll keep it as long as 11.3 is supported 15:25:36 wstephenson: thanks i have real work machines where kdf on 11.3 is working fine 15:26:30 oh ffs 15:26:40 i just found a konversation bug 15:26:45 :-) 15:26:45 LogfilePath=file:///home/will/.kde4/share/apps/konversation/logs 15:26:48 o? 15:26:54 doesn't work if the path doesn't exist 15:27:11 ie i have no logs since i changed my username 15:27:16 Oops. So there is no log from the Brainstorm ? 15:27:21 not here at least 15:27:28 the work machine was probably online and logging it 15:27:40 :-) 15:28:13 Let's conclude on krop's item. Everybody agree that Playground should just have repo's that provide 4.6 or higher ? 15:28:38 yes 15:29:23 #action tittiatcoke validates & cleans build repositories for KDE:Unstable:Playground 15:29:28 can't get in, i've got a temp ip address there until the new offices are on the right network 15:29:52 so 15:29:59 No problem :-) You have the summarize as an action item anyway 15:30:12 well, we discussed the usual ideas 15:30:19 we need to refine the proposals 15:31:04 sebas wants to do some UX work, integrating lionmail etc 15:31:13 Ok 15:31:20 and the rest i don't recall otomh 15:32:32 tittiatcoke: any suggestions from you since you werent' there? 15:33:00 not really. 15:33:21 we got one bad review that said that opensuse didn't offer anything new that other distros didn't do 15:33:30 the reviewer was using gnome though 15:33:42 i should go and stick a kde cd to him. 15:34:30 whack him with some yast and obs 15:34:32 :-) Well, we cannot re-invent all applications :-) KDE is KDE on whatever distribution you are running it. The question would be more how stable is it running :-) 15:34:39 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/IT-Infrastructure/OpenSUSE-114-Offers-Updated-OpenSource-Apps-Components-372992/ 15:35:38 grumble 15:35:57 i need to go gett my daughter instead of my wife getting her 15:36:02 here I am 15:36:02 bb as soon as i can 15:36:05 hi javier 15:36:18 hi 15:36:24 so i just got a tablet pc 15:36:33 i'd like to see opensuse 11.4++ kde work well on it 15:36:40 cool 15:36:47 wetab? or sumfink else? 15:36:51 wetab 15:37:03 ooh.. is it reasonable with meego? 15:37:17 * javier played with a wetab at Qt Dev Days 15:37:20 seems to work well enough as a browser host 15:37:39 it updated for about 30 minutes on first boot despite being stickered on the box as 2.0 edition 15:37:42 now it's 2.1.x 15:37:47 so i guess they are improving things 15:37:58 but i will throw out that install as soon as i have backed up the image 15:38:17 anyway 15:38:22 that's what i'd like to do for next release 15:38:31 when I played with the wetab, the UI wasn't very pretty 15:38:39 it's not as pretty as N900 15:38:50 basic, gets the job done 15:39:30 how does it compare to an iPad ? 15:39:33 smartphone, tablet, netbook, laptop, desktop computer, server, what's next? 15:40:21 iirc, the wetab is a bit bigger and thicker than the ipad 15:41:47 btw, http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/29/community-sponsorshi/ 15:41:50 tittiatcoke: it's Atom based, 1GB ram, the UI is ugly and it has relatively few apps. but it has a webcam on first release 15:42:13 not bad 15:42:27 Hmm, I don't like the Atom processor. Reminds me of slow slow netbooks :-) 15:43:29 tittiatcoke: my stock response is if we wait for perfect hardware to hack on, the software market will already be in someone else's control 15:43:34 so i jumped on it 15:43:43 True :-) 15:43:43 and at 250€ it's a comparative steal 15:44:06 That is true :-) It seems to be a lot cheaper than the iPad 15:44:22 guess more atom based tablets are coming.. (even "official" Intel devices?) 15:44:31 cb400f: this one is labelled intel all over 15:44:47 i guess they paid wetab a load of sponsorship to ship a meego device 15:44:56 hmm :-) 15:45:31 and now otto.de are dumping it at 50% off because it's unfinished and no ipad killer 15:45:34 so 15:45:37 enough offtopic 15:45:47 if you want a machine to make the future with, go for this one 15:45:48 +1 15:46:58 looking at the brainstorming logs now 15:47:22 lionmail, pim 2, ... 15:47:34 visual identity 15:47:44 default Activities 15:47:51 better networkmanagement 15:48:04 interactive tutorial 15:48:09 desktop search client 15:48:34 wstephenson: There seems to be push for recoll to be the desktop search client 15:48:35 peripherals... make sure webcam, headsets, mics, "multimedia keys", bluetooth stuff etc. "just works" (cb400f) 15:48:49 tittiatcoke: where is that happening? 15:49:04 wstephenson: I saw a openFATE request 15:49:05 facebook and social media support, consistent 'share' function' 15:49:07 ok 15:49:28 subpixel hinting 15:49:40 tablet and netbook editions 15:49:54 phone sync 15:50:02 new app launcher? 15:50:25 arm port 15:50:36 yast facelift 15:50:49 html5 in webkit 15:50:59 colord support 15:51:05 appstream/brezn 15:51:16 I still can't get over they actually made a patch for yast control center... maybe mvidner wasn't lying about the balance :-) 15:51:23 * cb400f goes to lug meeting 15:53:16 well, i'll write that up better 15:53:21 anything else to discuss here? 15:53:39 i hope to be back on normal community facing service next week 15:53:45 and get cartman more integrated 15:54:33 if you don't find student for plasma-obs-applet, maybe we can do it 15:55:18 cartman: maybe, i hear your python skills are improving 15:55:42 oh if you can add : IPV6 in NM that could be cool 15:56:37 tigerfoot: will definitely be in 15:56:57 thx :D 15:57:06 wstephenson: work on NM0.9 integration in PNM seemed to be stopped again 15:57:44 wstephenson, cartman, anyway i'm going to start to work on BuildManagement in may 15:58:03 tittiatcoke: they are working in a branch afaik 15:58:30 wstephenson: But this should be noticable in the Activity monitor of kdegit 15:59:03 tittiatcoke: assuming they push. 15:59:12 Hmm, that's true :-) 16:00:23 #endmeeting