15:03:05 <wstephenson> #startmeeting 15:03:06 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 26 15:03:05 2011 UTC. The chair is wstephenson. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03:06 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:09 <wstephenson> #chair mrdocs 15:03:09 <bugbot> Current chairs: mrdocs wstephenson 15:03:11 <remur_030> bugbot is 15:03:41 <wstephenson> mrdocs: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Managing_KDE_meetings 15:03:54 <mrdocs> wstephenson: exactly what i was looking for :) 15:04:27 <mrdocs> llunak,llunak_,cb400f, anaumov, sebas,tigerfoot,tittiatcoke, javier,javier_, remur_030,mrdocs: meeting 15:04:49 <wstephenson> and see the current agenda here http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_Meetings 15:04:50 <mrdocs> msg chanserv op #opensuse-kde 15:06:20 <mrdocs> '#meetingtopic Welcome to the openSUSE KDE community IRC meeting! Please wait with other discussion until the meeting is over. This meeting is logged.' 15:06:28 <mrdocs> #meetingtopic Welcome to the openSUSE KDE community IRC meeting! Please wait with other discussion until the meeting is over. This meeting is logged.' 15:07:00 <mrdocs> #topic Default Phonon backend 15:07:11 <mrdocs> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2011-01/msg00073.html 15:07:13 <wstephenson> mrdocs: sec 15:07:18 <mrdocs> NP 15:07:19 <wstephenson> mrdocs: old action items and status report first 15:07:27 <mrdocs> ahh ok 15:07:35 * wstephenson edits the howto 15:07:43 <remur_030> anyone doing minutes? 15:07:47 <mrdocs> #topic old action items 15:07:54 <remur_030> I don't mind doing them unless someone badly wants to do them 15:07:57 <wstephenson> ah no it's in 15:08:16 <mrdocs> remur_030: please go ahead :) 15:09:21 <mrdocs> any old action items ? 15:09:39 <wstephenson> well they should be in the archive, but 2011/1 is missing 15:09:47 <wstephenson> so let's just leave those for now 15:09:49 <mrdocs> im looking 15:09:52 * wstephenson knows he didn't do his 15:09:54 <cb400f> hmm.. there were many 15:10:13 <mrdocs> any got a log of the last meeting ? 15:10:18 <mrdocs> anyone ? 15:10:24 <javier> yes, probably me 15:10:30 <mrdocs> cool 15:10:32 <remur_030> yes it's in my logs, but digging through them will takre time 15:10:43 <mrdocs> what was the date ? 15:10:56 <tittiathome> 12th 15:10:59 <cb400f> jan 12.. look in the mailing list archive 15:11:10 <wstephenson> yes 15:11:13 <cb400f> I'd serve up a link if I was subject to a dns conspiracy 15:11:42 <mrdocs> my kde log here is 40 Mb 15:11:45 <cb400f> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2011-01/msg00050.html 15:11:54 <mrdocs> cb400f: danke 15:12:00 <wstephenson> well i did 2/3 15:12:03 <cb400f> wrong.. http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2011-01/msg00022.html 15:12:10 <remur_030> http://paste.opensuse.org/65171355 15:13:00 <mrdocs> good 15:13:06 <mrdocs> wstephenson to contact i18n team with regards to openSUSE guides. Not done 15:13:07 <mrdocs> but i just talked to ke yesterday and he seemed fairly chilled about 11.4 15:13:09 <mrdocs> i18n. I'll ask 15:13:16 <mrdocs> update wstephenson ? 15:13:32 <wstephenson> tht's teh one i forgot 15:13:37 <javier> i have the actions for that meeting 15:13:38 <mrdocs> always :) 15:13:52 <mrdocs> javier: you're next: javier to contact Beineri with regards to the live cd listings on kde-apps. 15:14:04 <javier> I did 15:14:07 <javier> no response yet 15:14:09 <mrdocs> results ? 15:14:13 <mrdocs> oki 15:14:30 <mrdocs> any more ? 15:14:32 <javier> nevertheless, I contacted Dirk regarding the kde-four-live&kde-reloaded homepage 15:15:01 <mrdocs> Ok good 15:15:06 <javier> he sent me a perl script and I improved it a lil bit 15:15:21 <wstephenson> so is it taking care of itself now? 15:15:37 <javier> I don't know if that script is run automatically 15:16:01 <javier> I don't know how to get the version for packages 15:16:11 <javier> in a reliable way 15:16:32 <javier> since you could have a Live CD with package x.1 and in the repo packacge x.2 15:17:22 <javier> the other possibility is removing version numbers from that web page 15:17:30 <javier> ie: amarok 2.3.2 → amarok 15:18:03 <wstephenson> needs more work then 15:18:09 <javier> yes 15:19:10 * wstephenson shakes mrdocs 15:19:23 <mrdocs> so next 15:19:45 <mrdocs> #topic status reports 15:19:53 <remur_030> mrdocs: the action items are at the bottom 15:19:54 <mrdocs> who wants to go first ? 15:20:02 <mrdocs> ups 15:20:10 <remur_030> =) 15:20:17 <mrdocs> tigerfoot think about how to execute next release cycle better 15:20:33 <remur_030> tittiathome: ^ 15:20:33 <mrdocs> tigerfoot: ping 15:20:46 <mrdocs> tittiatcoke think about how to execute next release cycle better 15:20:52 <remur_030> mrdocs: i think that was some autocomplete confusion, next point is for titti 15:20:58 * mrdocs nods 15:21:03 <tittiathome> :-) 15:21:42 <mrdocs> tittiatcoke: you have the floor 15:21:58 <tittiatcoke> Thanks, but I have to see what the action item was :-) 15:22:06 <mrdocs> 'enable tapping and disable while typing with 0.8 15:22:08 <mrdocs> seconds' for synaptiks in kdebase4-opensuse config 15:22:45 <wstephenson> done 15:22:53 <tittiatcoke> That action item is still open. Nothing done there. 15:23:00 <mrdocs> ok 15:23:02 <remur_030> ? 15:23:05 <tittiatcoke> But it was just the action to think about a mutual calendar, etc 15:23:15 <mrdocs> anyone tested the synaptic setup btw ? 15:23:41 <cb400f> did it make ms6? 15:23:43 * remur_030 got confused 15:23:45 <wstephenson> i tested it outside the built package on 11.3 15:23:51 <wstephenson> cb400f: should be yes 15:23:53 <remur_030> synaptics done, but the calendar organisatiomn not? 15:23:57 <wstephenson> remur_030: yes 15:24:14 <cb400f> I'll try a new user on my 11.4 after I dup to ms6 15:24:15 * remur_030 ticks imaginary checkbox 15:24:28 <mrdocs> #action wstephenson review hal k3b 2.0.2 list 15:24:49 <mrdocs> i saw someone working on that.. 15:24:51 <wstephenson> done, we should be hal-free 15:24:58 <mrdocs> woot 15:25:00 <gpe> i can confirm that 15:25:01 <mrdocs> good 15:25:35 <mrdocs> wstephenson handle bnc#661844 15:26:31 <wstephenson> done 15:26:37 <remur_030> novell 661844 15:26:41 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 661844 in openSUSE 11.4 (KDE4 Workspace) "Akonadi starts on login" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/661844 15:26:55 * mrdocs sends a beers wstephenson's way 15:27:15 <wstephenson> nepomuk is also completely off on login on the livecd 15:27:26 <mrdocs> great 15:27:34 <Dominian> Is akonadi supposed to start on login? 15:27:38 <mrdocs> and did i see trueg might have a real fix ? 15:27:42 <Dominian> I noticed that same issue when testing the milestone in a VM 15:27:55 <wstephenson> Dominian: it starts on demand. some things were demanding it 15:28:05 <Dominian> ahh 15:28:08 <cb400f> Dominian: the digital clock is deamining it 15:28:10 <wstephenson> (krunners, plasma clock calendar) 15:28:16 <Dominian> the clock/ wow 15:28:17 <Dominian> ok 15:28:22 <mrdocs> yeah 15:28:24 <Dominian> color me surprised 15:28:25 <remur_030> yeah that clock is getting really funny lately 15:28:33 <wstephenson> it has gnome clock envy 15:28:35 <mrdocs> not nice to have 200MB to run a clock :S 15:28:36 <Dominian> Just think that's odd that a 'clock' needs akonadi 15:28:46 <Dominian> eh oh well 15:28:49 <Dominian> has to be a reason behind it 15:28:50 <mrdocs> Dominian: for calender reminders and such 15:28:52 <remur_030> Dominian: it's for calendar integration 15:28:56 <Dominian> mrdocs: yeah that's what I was thinking 15:29:06 <mrdocs> so next 15:29:06 <Dominian> cool .. whatever.. as long as it works, I don't care :) was curious is all 15:29:23 <mrdocs> cb400f report kpk naming clash with sw_single 15:29:34 <sebas> it's possible to disable the calendar integration 15:29:42 <sebas> that would prevent akonadi from starting 15:29:52 <sebas> and the krunner contacts runner, that would start it as well 15:29:54 <cb400f> mrdocs: done 15:29:58 <wstephenson> sebas: that's what i've done for the livecd 15:29:58 <mrdocs> sebas: i think also krunner has it on by default 15:30:02 <remur_030> sebas: is that build time or run time oiption? 15:30:08 <sebas> runtime 15:30:30 <cb400f> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=664083 15:30:31 <mrdocs> cb400f: cool thanks got a bug # ? 15:30:34 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 664083 in openSUSE 11.4 (KDE4 Workspace) "KPackageKit naming clash with sw_single" [Normal,New] 15:30:35 <mrdocs> read my mind 15:30:45 <mrdocs> great next 15:31:18 <cb400f> wstephenson: did you get around to putting the "show events" checkbox back in the ui? 15:31:20 <wstephenson> sebas: http://gitorious.org/opensuse/kdebase4-opensuse/trees/master/config-files/usr/share/kde4/config/SuSE/default 15:31:25 <wstephenson> cb400f: no :/ 15:31:37 <wstephenson> i decided nepomuk cpu was more important 15:31:47 <cb400f> indeed :-) 15:31:47 <wstephenson> and technically it's 'forward' in the UI 15:32:11 <mrdocs> next 15:32:12 <sebas> wstephenson: ah, thanks 15:32:16 <mrdocs> rabauke write openSUSE:KDE_11.4_packagekit 15:32:26 <cb400f> maybe sebas can do us all a favour and break string freeze for 4.6.1 so users can have that option at their fingertips :-) 15:32:50 <mrdocs> no rabuake, so next meeting 15:32:51 <cb400f> since I can't convince anyone that the default should be changed 15:33:00 <remur_030> rabauke ain't here 15:33:12 <mrdocs> next 15:33:15 <sebas> hehe, right 15:33:16 <mrdocs> wstephenson to contact i18n team with regards to openSUSE guides. 15:33:27 <wstephenson> not done 15:33:39 <remur_030> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_11.4_packagekit 15:33:40 <mrdocs> ok for next meeting 15:33:44 <remur_030> looks done though 15:34:35 <wstephenson> it seems we need to fix the pk-zypp backend 15:34:46 <remur_030> there already are some issues documented 15:34:54 <wstephenson> to handle patches and package updates separately 15:35:03 <wstephenson> duncanmv and i are going to take that on 15:35:20 <remur_030> I'll add that to status 15:35:26 <cb400f> tsk, tsk.. is there anything you don't have to do? ;-) 15:35:46 <wstephenson> cb400f: at least i don't have to worry about KR45 and KUSC ;) 15:36:33 <mrdocs> unfortunately for wstephenson there are not enough of us with the deep code knowhow to fix these 15:36:44 * wstephenson has never seen the code before 15:36:48 <cb400f> apparently there not enough zyppsters either 15:36:50 <wstephenson> why o why did i study comp sci? 15:36:56 <mrdocs> hehe 15:37:21 * mrdocs notes he studied classical liberal arts.. my good excuse :) 15:37:35 <mrdocs> wstephenson to contact i18n team with regards to openSUSE guides. 15:37:41 <wstephenson> #action? 15:37:42 <mrdocs> sorry 15:37:54 <wstephenson> practise makes perfect 15:38:19 <remur_030> times running short guys 15:38:26 <wstephenson> chop chop 15:38:29 <mrdocs> #action duncanmv wstephenson to fix the pk-zypp backend 15:38:32 <mrdocs> ok ? 15:38:36 <wstephenson> yes 15:39:10 <mrdocs> #topic Default Phonon backend - see thread on the list (cb400f) 15:39:18 <remur_030> status! 15:39:25 <mrdocs> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2011-01/msg00073.html 15:39:27 <tittiatcoke> :-) 15:39:48 <mrdocs> im going too fast.. remur_030 your rushing me :) 15:39:55 <cb400f> do we plan to have phonon 4.4.4? .. and should we change the default backend since upstream apparently don't want to maintain xine backend anymore 15:39:55 <remur_030> hehe 15:39:56 <mrdocs> #status 15:40:27 * wstephenson has been very busy fixing configuration, branding, testing nepomuk patches, being at 2 sprints, now trying to be creative in hackweek.EOT 15:40:56 <mrdocs> well if we can live with 4.4.3 i wont complain 15:41:03 <mrdocs> xine just works TM 15:41:07 <gpe> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=240001 15:41:07 <wstephenson> cb400f: i would like to test it 15:41:10 <bugbot> KDE bug 240001 in Phonon (VLC backend) "Amarok crashes with phonon-vlc backend (XrmDestroyDatabase at Xrm c, Pulse related)" [Crash,Reopened] 15:41:26 <mrdocs> gpe: thanks.. i wanted that link 15:41:37 <gpe> you welcome :) 15:41:42 <cb400f> there are quite a few issues with vlc backend in 4.4.3 ( no equalizer, no video in dragon player+amarok video widget) 15:42:04 <mrdocs> cb400f: yes.. i agrree 15:42:05 <cb400f> .. should prolly try out gstreamer, even though I'd rather not touch it 15:43:08 <mrdocs> cb400f: at least its not PA :-) 15:43:13 <remur_030> wstephenson: so 4.4.4 is a possibility? 15:43:39 <mrdocs> and if so can we keep xine for one more rev ? 15:43:42 <wstephenson> remur_030: it will be a bit late 15:43:58 <cb400f> prolly best to just stick with 4.4.3+xine for 11.4 then 15:44:05 <wstephenson> but i prefer to work a bit harder to get it in and tested now than handle BRs all through 11.4 15:44:06 <mrdocs> +1 15:44:06 <remur_030> well if vlc in 4.4.3 is unstable (and it's not in kdf yet) i suggest sticking to xine 15:44:31 <cb400f> maybe david plater will maintain phonon-backend-xine for 11.4+1 :-) 15:44:52 <mrdocs> he does have a lot of sound apps know how 15:44:57 <tittiatcoke> the vlc-backend would also require that OBS is having the vlc package. 15:45:04 <gpe> i am using gstremer with clementine but xine is the prefered default 15:45:42 <mrdocs> tittiatcoke: any idea how much we would need to strip from vlc to make it legal in the OBS sense ? 15:45:47 <wstephenson> vlc backend isn't realistic for 11.4 15:45:54 <wstephenson> so we might as well save our breath 15:45:55 <remur_030> that would have to pass legal 15:46:00 <mrdocs> true 15:46:29 <tittiatcoke> mrdocs: We have a VLC package in Playground that has been stripped equally to Xine, but I don't know if that package would pass legal as it is now. 15:46:34 <mrdocs> so we agree for the moment stick with 4.4.3+xine, unless a: someone updates xine and 4.4.4 works with it ? 15:46:54 <mrdocs> tittiatcoke: ok good to know 15:46:58 <wstephenson> according to phonon release mgr, 4.4.4 won't work worse with xine. 15:47:06 <wstephenson> or without PA 15:47:23 <tittiatcoke> PA at the moment works fine :-) 15:47:32 <mrdocs> wstephenson: you mean it hauls in PA ? 15:47:46 <remur_030> what's the status here anyway, default PA or not? 15:47:56 <tittiatcoke> I don't think so, but it has a better integration with PA 15:48:01 <mrdocs> no not here.. 15:48:08 <wstephenson> mrdocs: phonon are now saying 'with PA is recommended for easy configuration' 15:48:08 <cb400f> in ms5 pa was installed but not running.. I filed a bug, but no response :-) 15:48:09 <mrdocs> PA is taboo in yast :) 15:48:21 <mrdocs> for me 15:48:24 <cb400f> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=661852 15:48:27 <wstephenson> cb400f: i have a bug open to enable it on KDE installs by default 15:48:27 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 661852 in openSUSE 11.4 (KDE4 Workspace) "PulseAudio not running in KDE" [Normal,New] 15:48:40 * tittiatcoke hasn't detected any issues with running PA and Phonon 15:48:51 <gpe> PA playes well with KDE4.6 for me 15:49:07 <wstephenson> it's been fine for me as well 15:49:10 <remur_030> tittiatcoke: you are using vlc backend right? 15:49:14 <tittiatcoke> yup 15:49:39 <remur_030> hm, how about an action point to test xine+phonon+pa ? 15:49:42 <mrdocs> wstephenson: for those of us allergic to PA what would get pulled in ? 15:50:06 <mrdocs> remur_030: and add gstreamer as well 15:50:17 <cb400f> mrdocs: on 11.4ms5 it's already pulled in.. just not running 15:50:31 <cb400f> but it's easy uninstall 15:50:33 <mrdocs> cb400f: i can live with that 15:50:39 <mrdocs> so 15:50:46 <mrdocs> action ? 15:50:49 <cb400f> the intention is to have it running 15:50:54 <remur_030> mrdocs: so phonon-gstreamer is also an option for 11.4? 15:50:59 <cb400f> but easy to disable and/or remove 15:51:11 <wstephenson> remur_030: phonon-PA-gstreamer is my preference for 11.4 15:51:34 <remur_030> then let's do this as testbench for next weeks? 15:51:41 <tittiatcoke> Do we already have somewhere the latest phonon package with the latest gstreamer backend ? 15:52:00 <wstephenson> tittiatcoke: not yet no, i got as far as updating gstreamer to .32 15:52:04 <mrdocs> tittiatcoke: not yet i do not think 15:52:06 <wstephenson> in a branch in my home 15:52:10 <remur_030> würd glaub ich ganz gut passen 15:52:11 <tittiatcoke> Ok 15:52:22 <remur_030> whops, disregard that 15:52:35 * cb400f switches to gstreamer backend and holds breath 15:52:35 <mrdocs> remur_030: ah ok for us German challenged folks :) 15:52:52 <mrdocs> ok folks we need to move on 15:52:54 <mrdocs> so 15:53:00 <wstephenson> sagte der matrose in der badestall auf dem gorch fock :P 15:53:35 <remur_030> badestall? =) 15:53:52 <wstephenson> whatever they are called.. 15:53:52 <mrdocs> I propose testbench for next weeks, test gsrteamer and new phonon when its available along with PA and also if xine will really work with 4.4.4 ? 15:54:06 <remur_030> wstephenson: will we have a place to get test phonon-gstreamer + pulseaudio combo for 11.3? 15:54:25 <mrdocs> remur_030: good question 15:54:54 <wstephenson> remur_030: i'll probably branch things out of kdf 15:55:06 <wstephenson> #action wstephenson make phonon 4.4.4 pkgs 15:55:34 <wstephenson> next? 15:55:38 <cb400f> in playground for starters? 15:56:02 <wstephenson> not important, i'll decide after 15:56:08 <wstephenson> shall we move on 15:56:16 <mrdocs> yes 15:56:19 <tittiatcoke> wstephenson: I will create a package for my unstable repo, based on the git repo's 15:56:21 <mrdocs> #topic 15:56:21 <wstephenson> tittiatcoke: anything we need to move fwd in the agenda if you are leaving? 15:56:38 <tittiatcoke> wstephenson: Nope. Nothing from my side. 15:56:54 <mrdocs> #topic Improve descriptions of KDE repos in the community repo list. 15:57:25 <wstephenson> who owns that? 15:58:10 <remur_030> rabauke 15:58:13 <tittiatcoke> I also would like to know that :-) Especially after the long discussions we have last year about the repo naming 15:58:32 <wstephenson> i think it's just about the repo descriptions text, not the names. 15:58:38 <wstephenson> no rabauke, no discuss. 15:58:43 <cb400f> hehe.. yeah.. "updatedapps" and "extra" shouldn't need much explaining :-) 15:58:52 <tittiatcoke> Aha. Ok :-) 15:58:55 <remur_030> yes it's about the names 15:59:10 <remur_030> and the description text 15:59:50 <wstephenson> and in the metadata shown in the community repo list 15:59:55 <wstephenson> is that derived from the OBS metadata? 16:00:25 <mrdocs> brb 16:00:31 <cb400f> I think it comes from some xml file somewhere.. doesn't it? 16:00:51 * tittiatcoke has to leave now. Wishing everybody a good meeting. 16:01:02 <wstephenson> cu, thanks for coming! 16:01:03 <javier> bb tittiatcoke! 16:01:13 <tittiatcoke> cu guys 16:01:32 <cb400f> I don't see anything wrong with it.. except "extra" refers to community, implying "updatedapps" etc. are not community repos 16:02:07 <cb400f> but not strictly wrong 16:04:07 <remur_030> well 'updated kde application' or 'non opensuse supported kde applications like xyz' sounds better to me 16:04:22 <javier> does this mean that we could get KRxy into the community repos list? 16:04:40 <cb400f> no 16:04:46 <javier> or is it just about current descriptions? 16:05:01 <remur_030> javier: that's what rabauke is suggesting in the next point yes 16:05:11 <cb400f> but being in the list doesn't matter much.. e.g. KDF has a lot more users than Extra 16:06:13 <remur_030> cb400f: what's the requirement to get something on the list? 16:06:58 <cb400f> first the kde community must agree we want it there.. secondly I think coolo said he'd only allow 2 repos for gnome and kde respectively 16:07:30 <cb400f> ... sooner or later we'd get every obs repo on there 16:07:47 <cb400f> it should be a short list of good and safe repos 16:08:12 <mrdocs> I do not think we want to change what we have 16:08:20 <remur_030> sounds reasonable to me 16:08:22 <mrdocs> Extras and Updated apps are good 16:08:38 <mrdocs> and a KRxx seems dangerous to me 16:08:52 <remur_030> well extras used to be pretty dangerous with qt in there ;-) 16:09:10 <remur_030> ah no it was named community then 16:09:15 <cb400f> but now we have watch dogs 16:09:20 <cb400f> right :-) 16:09:22 <mrdocs> if someone wants a big version bump, then we should point them to a wiki with potential pitfalls 16:09:30 <wstephenson> +1 16:09:37 <mrdocs> eg new NVIDIA driver issues 16:09:45 <gpe> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories is perfect for me 16:10:04 <mrdocs> remur_030: im a ferocious watch dog you know :) 16:10:05 <gpe> and very detailed 16:10:37 <remur_030> what is the factoid for our repos? 16:10:39 <remur_030> !kde-repos 16:10:40 <wstephenson> brb 16:10:41 <remur_030> isn't it 16:10:47 <mrdocs> i am very very fussy about new submissions to extras 16:10:49 <remur_030> !kde 16:10:49 <SUSEhelp> KDE is a Free and Open Source Desktop Environment for Linux and Unix flavours :: Please refer to http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:KDE for more information :: For latest OBS/Factory information; !kde4 :: Project homepage @ www.kde.org 16:10:57 <remur_030> and it's only at the bottom there =/ 16:10:59 <remur_030> !kde4 16:11:00 <SUSEhelp> The openSUSE KDE portal can be found at http://en.opensuse.org/Portal:KDE - To upgrade, see http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories - For newer KDE4 LiveCD's, see http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Medias/images/iso/ 16:11:23 * remur_030 makes mental note 16:11:39 <mrdocs> so action ? 16:12:05 <remur_030> none, stick to current repos 16:12:09 <remur_030> oh, about the repo renaming 16:12:27 <mrdocs> well perhaps we could add more details on the wiki... 16:13:18 <remur_030> in my community list the description for both repos is good and even translated 16:13:38 <gpe> how about see what rabauke wanted next time? 16:13:58 <remur_030> so only the name remains, I don't really have any feelings about that, people who are interested in kde will click it to see the description 16:14:17 <cb400f> it's pretty clear.. question is if it's worth disturbing mr. kulow 16:14:57 <mrdocs> ok i move on and defer this until next meeting ? 16:15:03 <cb400f> ok 16:15:04 <wstephenson> please 16:15:09 * wstephenson needs to leave soon too 16:15:32 <mrdocs> #action discussion on repo naming etc to deferred to next meeting 16:16:14 <mrdocs> btw, i look at the http://en.opensuse.org/KDE_repositories looks good to me - except we need a link to possible problems/tipa 16:16:18 <mrdocs> eg 16:16:27 <mrdocs> NVIDIA and reseting plasma 16:16:39 * mrdocs waves at bitshuffler 16:17:11 <mrdocs> #topic Q & A misc 16:17:22 <mrdocs> I have one: 16:17:32 <mrdocs> How about this meeting time being earlier ? 16:17:48 <wstephenson> didn't we just make it earlier? 16:17:54 <mrdocs> yeah 16:18:02 <mrdocs> so no complaints ? 16:18:10 <wstephenson> ok with me 16:18:12 <gpe> Discussion about how to name git based packages. Date or unix timestamp? No final decision. 16:18:19 <wstephenson> gpe: unix 16:18:26 <gpe> ok 16:18:26 <wstephenson> it was decided 16:18:29 <mrdocs> hearing none we keep it to 1500 UTC 16:18:29 <wstephenson> more precise 16:18:41 <wstephenson> although i can't have a beer with the meeting when it is in the office... 16:19:01 <mrdocs> wstephenson: i'll send an extra when you get home :) 16:19:05 <remur_030> wstephenson: use a brown bag 16:19:26 <wstephenson> ha ha 16:19:35 <wstephenson> that way lies danger... 16:19:45 <mrdocs> anyone else have questions ? comments ? flames ? 16:20:06 <boser> qbit: i use kde 4.4.4 an have folowing problem: 16:21:01 <boser> i want use the usb-stick today and he only allow me to use it as root and not as a user? 16:21:54 <mrdocs> boser: i think you need to change that in policykit 16:22:08 <boser> ok, thx 16:22:11 <alin_> hi 16:22:12 <cb400f> what filesystem is on it? did this specific usb stick work before? 16:22:15 <alin_> any announcements today? 16:22:38 <cb400f> does kde 4.6 announcement count? 16:22:40 <mrdocs> alin_: nothing extraordinary.. 4.6.0 is making its way to mirrors 16:22:47 <boser> yes it works untill i make a zypper up last night. 16:22:52 <alin_> mrdocs: good good... 16:23:10 <alin_> mrdocs: do we have a kdereloaded for it or an unofficial live cd? 16:23:22 <mrdocs> javier: ? ^^ 16:23:23 <wstephenson> i'm out 16:23:28 <remur_030> mrdocs: I guess you can wrap up the emeting 16:23:31 <mrdocs> wstephenson: thanks ttyl 16:23:45 <mrdocs> #endmeeting