16:10:31 #startmeeting 16:10:31 Meeting started Thu Sep 16 16:10:31 2010 UTC. The chair is remur_030. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:10:31 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:10:50 Todays rather short agenda: 16:10:57 For discussion this week: 16:10:58 * replacing more openSUSE:Factory KDE3 packages with KDE4 versions (kmymoney,...) 16:11:00 Generic all-time topics: 16:11:01 * old action items 16:11:03 * status report 16:11:04 * Q&A, misc 16:11:17 #topic Old action items 16:11:35 wstephenson put package list in gitorious 16:11:52 Bille: ^ 16:12:03 javier_: ^ 16:12:16 hmm, I don't know 16:12:38 let's postpone then 16:12:44 remur_030: set it as AI again (#action wstephenson ...) 16:12:44 ok 16:12:57 #action wstephenson put package list in gitorious 16:13:22 * 16:13:23 * everybody add information to the 16:13:25 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages list as appropriate 16:13:39 some info has been added, rest is for the agenda item 16:14:01 so alot happend, but mainly llunak and ansus 16:14:08 keep as ai? 16:14:33 no, we'll discuss it as the agenda item, if more hasn' tbeen added until now, it won't happen later 16:14:34 ah we can see the outcome of the discussion 16:14:54 right, then let's proceed to 16:14:59 #topc Status report 16:15:06 #topic Status report 16:15:58 Nothing noteworthy? thrice` you managed that koffice 2.3 beta? 16:16:52 ah well then let's get to the real point of the meeting 16:17:00 #topc New Items 16:17:04 #topic New Items 16:17:13 no, I tried and failed :> actually, it compiles and links nicely - gotta try locally to see why the file list creation dies 16:17:40 thrice`: keep it up =) 16:17:56 * replacing more openSUSE:Factory KDE3 packages with KDE4 versions (kmymoney,...) 16:18:02 remur_030: hmm, I didn't notice 'new items' was still there, I have no idea what that is :) - I'll dump it from the howto 16:18:20 llunak: I thought it'd be the topics, let's make a real one then 16:18:29 #topic replacing more openSUSE:Factory KDE3 packages with KDE4 versions (kmymoney,...) 16:18:52 #info qt3/kde3 packages still in Factory: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages 16:19:43 * remur_030 quickly glances over the page 16:19:54 there are some recommendations such as going to kde4 version of kmymoney, so those will be done 16:20:40 and I suggest the rest is done as somebody feels like doing that 16:20:43 so i guess we can all agree to switch to kde4 application if one exists? 16:21:06 #info switch to kde4 port where possible 16:21:13 how about removing the ones with no port? 16:21:37 dont forget soundkonverter KDE4 16:21:46 looks like nobody cares to mention keeping them, so unless it's something really important, yes 16:22:04 what happened to kgamailnotifier package? I don't see it in any repository 16:22:11 EagleScreen_: please add to the page what you find lacking 16:22:12 *kgmailnotifier 16:22:25 e.g. kwebdev3 (Quanta) should be IMHO kept 16:22:46 could we agree on dropping from factory unless somebody objects? 16:23:08 remur_030: what page? 16:23:14 there still is the kde3 repository 16:23:20 I have read somewhere that quantas functionality will become part of kdevelop 16:23:24 EagleScreen_: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages 16:24:15 about kgmailnotifier I don't know, but I bet there is a kde4 replacement already (in a form of a plasmoid most possibly) 16:24:49 I don't think there are enough people awake to really conclude something here... 16:25:03 set(SHOULD_BUILD_KCHART FALSE) 16:25:08 no wonder it didn't build? :p 16:25:12 remur_030: they had two weeks 16:25:45 llunak: write a mail pointing to the list, suggest speaking out for applications or they will be dropped from factory? 16:25:52 remur_030: and they can still complain if they at least read the meeting minutes - otherwise they don't care, so it doesn't matter 16:26:04 maybe with like another 2 weeks then start dropping 16:26:12 RE 16:26:16 errr, re 16:26:21 remur_030: fine with me 16:26:28 remur_030: you run the meeting :) 16:26:52 remur_030: am I be abla to edit that page? 16:26:52 you want to write the mail? 16:26:59 EagleScreen_: absolutely 16:27:09 thrice`: told you so :) 16:27:17 wstephenson: [18:11] wstephenson put package list in gitorious 16:27:23 done? 16:27:24 thrice`: more satisfying when you find it yourself 16:27:27 not done :( 16:27:33 remur_030: I myself consider mentioning that in the minutes to be enough 16:28:12 wstephenson, just browsing the cmakelists to bump deps, and noticed it :> perhaps it's not ready yet 16:28:36 #action remur_030 write last call mail for the kde3 applications list http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages 16:28:39 are you talking about dropping kde3 apps where no kde4 replacement exists? 16:28:44 cb400f: yes 16:29:11 at least that's how I understand the whole idea of the page to get rid of unmaintained old applications 16:29:21 yes 16:29:36 it even mentions the kde3 core so it sounds severe to me ;-) 16:30:35 remur_030: is this page to request keeping KDE3 packages? 16:30:59 EagleScreen_: if you think one should be kept, add comments saying so, the top of the page explains that 16:31:07 EagleScreen_: basicly, if there is no reason to keep why not drop them... 16:31:21 sure they still build, but they also do that in the seperate repository without beeing a burden on factory 16:32:39 you should package soundkonverter 1.0.0beta3, it is KDE4 and it is usable at this point, now that there is a KDE4 version, no reason to keep the KDE3 version 16:32:44 so anything to contribute to the point? 16:33:06 EagleScreen_: please add this to the wiki page, it's not feasible to track stuff like this out of some irc logs 16:33:23 EagleScreen_: there's no soundkonverter in the page, where did you get it from? 16:33:27 it's done in like 2 minutes 16:34:16 but it's not in factory.. only in kde:kde3 16:34:29 EagleScreen_: ah it's not even in factory anymore, then please file a request to package soundkonverter4 16:34:35 1.0.0beta3 16:35:01 remur_030: via novell bugzilla? 16:35:08 llunak: I take it the list is really all remaining users of kdebase3? 16:35:46 EagleScreen_: better do on opensuse-kde list, I don't think tittiacoke and other packaging heroes track bnc for requests 16:35:48 remur_030: you mean of qt3/kdelibs3? there may be other apps in other repos, this is only what is in KDE:KDE3 (i.e. the KDE team responsibily) 16:36:12 llunak: so in kdf there is nothing depending on kdebase3? 16:36:54 EagleScreen_: en.opensuse.org/KDE_ideas 16:37:13 remur_030: no, kdf is strictly kde4 now 16:37:27 but if soundkonverter needs any of the "exciting" multimedia stuff there's no point 16:37:39 llunak: ok, then no adding applications to the list but only commenting 16:38:35 EagleScreen_: sorry.. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_ideas 16:39:03 firefox usually resolv well en.opensuse.org/KDE_ideas 16:39:08 so are we done with the topic? 16:39:14 anything else to add? 16:39:44 not from me 16:39:49 so what's the conclusion? .. quanta is kept.. everything else will be dropped.. kde4 replacement will be added when/if people care? 16:40:22 cb400f: conclusion is i write a last call mail to the list so people will make their voice heard 16:40:28 bad URL, I see 16:40:43 ok 16:40:45 anything uncommented is up for anything unpleasent 16:41:47 so next: 16:42:00 #topic 'Q&A, misc 16:42:19 Make your questions heard now or just ask outside of the meeting ;-) 16:42:39 this kde3 discussion reminds me of kde4-l10n... why does it have kde4-? 16:42:42 after the meeting that is 16:42:44 remur_030: please do not do #endmeeting, I want to try something after the meeting is over 16:42:56 llunak: ok 16:43:04 javier_: because just l10n-cs is not a good name for it 16:43:29 llunak: i mean kde-l10 instead of kde4-l10n 16:43:37 the only KDE3 application I'd care is kdbg 16:43:40 *kde-l10n 16:43:42 javier_: kdelibs is also kdelibs4 16:43:50 right 16:44:09 kdbg has also been ported 16:44:11 sometime I ago there was a mass renaming and I was just wondering about it 16:44:17 jobermayr: not here, the wiki page 16:44:26 jobermayr: please add it! also with a link if possible 16:44:27 ok 16:44:53 javier_: it doesn't make sense to version the primary version of the app, but for packages like this it makes sense, since you are much more likely to have two versions 16:45:29 ok 16:46:09 remur_030: I guess that's all for the meeting, so we can finish and please don't forget to wait before #endmeeting now :) 16:46:33 So thanks everybody for attending and hope to see you in two weeks 16:46:44 just pull my bugbot status =) 16:47:00 remur_030: please do #chair llunak 16:47:06 #chair llunak 16:47:06 Current chairs: llunak remur_030 16:47:13 #meetingtopic meeting topic 16:47:22 #topic test topic 2 16:47:36 remur_030: ok, you can #endmeeting now, thanks 16:47:43 #endmeeting