16:10:31 <remur_030> #startmeeting 16:10:31 <bugbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 16 16:10:31 2010 UTC. The chair is remur_030. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:10:31 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:10:50 <remur_030> Todays rather short agenda: 16:10:57 <remur_030> For discussion this week: 16:10:58 <remur_030> * replacing more openSUSE:Factory KDE3 packages with KDE4 versions (kmymoney,...) 16:11:00 <remur_030> Generic all-time topics: 16:11:01 <remur_030> * old action items 16:11:03 <remur_030> * status report 16:11:04 <remur_030> * Q&A, misc 16:11:17 <remur_030> #topic Old action items 16:11:35 <remur_030> wstephenson put package list in gitorious 16:11:52 <remur_030> Bille: ^ 16:12:03 <llunak> javier_: ^ 16:12:16 <javier_> hmm, I don't know 16:12:38 <remur_030> let's postpone then 16:12:44 <llunak> remur_030: set it as AI again (#action wstephenson ...) 16:12:44 <javier_> ok 16:12:57 <remur_030> #action wstephenson put package list in gitorious 16:13:22 <remur_030> * 16:13:23 <remur_030> * everybody add information to the 16:13:25 <remur_030> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages list as appropriate 16:13:39 <llunak> some info has been added, rest is for the agenda item 16:14:01 <remur_030> so alot happend, but mainly llunak and ansus 16:14:08 <remur_030> keep as ai? 16:14:33 <llunak> no, we'll discuss it as the agenda item, if more hasn' tbeen added until now, it won't happen later 16:14:34 <remur_030> ah we can see the outcome of the discussion 16:14:54 <remur_030> right, then let's proceed to 16:14:59 <remur_030> #topc Status report 16:15:06 <remur_030> #topic Status report 16:15:58 <remur_030> Nothing noteworthy? thrice` you managed that koffice 2.3 beta? 16:16:52 <remur_030> ah well then let's get to the real point of the meeting 16:17:00 <remur_030> #topc New Items 16:17:04 <remur_030> #topic New Items 16:17:13 <thrice`> no, I tried and failed :> actually, it compiles and links nicely - gotta try locally to see why the file list creation dies 16:17:40 <remur_030> thrice`: keep it up =) 16:17:56 <remur_030> * replacing more openSUSE:Factory KDE3 packages with KDE4 versions (kmymoney,...) 16:18:02 <llunak> remur_030: hmm, I didn't notice 'new items' was still there, I have no idea what that is :) - I'll dump it from the howto 16:18:20 <remur_030> llunak: I thought it'd be the topics, let's make a real one then 16:18:29 <remur_030> #topic replacing more openSUSE:Factory KDE3 packages with KDE4 versions (kmymoney,...) 16:18:52 <remur_030> #info qt3/kde3 packages still in Factory: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages 16:19:43 * remur_030 quickly glances over the page 16:19:54 <llunak> there are some recommendations such as going to kde4 version of kmymoney, so those will be done 16:20:40 <llunak> and I suggest the rest is done as somebody feels like doing that 16:20:43 <remur_030> so i guess we can all agree to switch to kde4 application if one exists? 16:21:06 <remur_030> #info switch to kde4 port where possible 16:21:13 <remur_030> how about removing the ones with no port? 16:21:37 <EagleScreen_> dont forget soundkonverter KDE4 16:21:46 <llunak> looks like nobody cares to mention keeping them, so unless it's something really important, yes 16:22:04 <EagleScreen_> what happened to kgamailnotifier package? I don't see it in any repository 16:22:11 <remur_030> EagleScreen_: please add to the page what you find lacking 16:22:12 <EagleScreen_> *kgmailnotifier 16:22:25 <llunak> e.g. kwebdev3 (Quanta) should be IMHO kept 16:22:46 <remur_030> could we agree on dropping from factory unless somebody objects? 16:23:08 <EagleScreen_> remur_030: what page? 16:23:14 <remur_030> there still is the kde3 repository 16:23:20 <herby> I have read somewhere that quantas functionality will become part of kdevelop 16:23:24 <remur_030> EagleScreen_: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages 16:24:15 <remur_030> about kgmailnotifier I don't know, but I bet there is a kde4 replacement already (in a form of a plasmoid most possibly) 16:24:49 <remur_030> I don't think there are enough people awake to really conclude something here... 16:25:03 <thrice`> set(SHOULD_BUILD_KCHART FALSE) 16:25:08 <thrice`> no wonder it didn't build? :p 16:25:12 <llunak> remur_030: they had two weeks 16:25:45 <remur_030> llunak: write a mail pointing to the list, suggest speaking out for applications or they will be dropped from factory? 16:25:52 <llunak> remur_030: and they can still complain if they at least read the meeting minutes - otherwise they don't care, so it doesn't matter 16:26:04 <remur_030> maybe with like another 2 weeks then start dropping 16:26:12 <Bille> RE 16:26:16 <Bille> errr, re 16:26:21 <llunak> remur_030: fine with me 16:26:28 <llunak> remur_030: you run the meeting :) 16:26:52 <EagleScreen_> remur_030: am I be abla to edit that page? 16:26:52 <remur_030> you want to write the mail? 16:26:59 <remur_030> EagleScreen_: absolutely 16:27:09 <wstephenson> thrice`: told you so :) 16:27:17 <cb400f> wstephenson: [18:11] <remur_030> wstephenson put package list in gitorious 16:27:23 <cb400f> done? 16:27:24 <wstephenson> thrice`: more satisfying when you find it yourself 16:27:27 <wstephenson> not done :( 16:27:33 <llunak> remur_030: I myself consider mentioning that in the minutes to be enough 16:28:12 <thrice`> wstephenson, just browsing the cmakelists to bump deps, and noticed it :> perhaps it's not ready yet 16:28:36 <remur_030> #action remur_030 write last call mail for the kde3 applications list http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Factory_KDE3_packages 16:28:39 <cb400f> are you talking about dropping kde3 apps where no kde4 replacement exists? 16:28:44 <remur_030> cb400f: yes 16:29:11 <remur_030> at least that's how I understand the whole idea of the page to get rid of unmaintained old applications 16:29:21 <llunak> yes 16:29:36 <remur_030> it even mentions the kde3 core so it sounds severe to me ;-) 16:30:35 <EagleScreen_> remur_030: is this page to request keeping KDE3 packages? 16:30:59 <llunak> EagleScreen_: if you think one should be kept, add comments saying so, the top of the page explains that 16:31:07 <remur_030> EagleScreen_: basicly, if there is no reason to keep why not drop them... 16:31:21 <remur_030> sure they still build, but they also do that in the seperate repository without beeing a burden on factory 16:32:39 <EagleScreen_> you should package soundkonverter 1.0.0beta3, it is KDE4 and it is usable at this point, now that there is a KDE4 version, no reason to keep the KDE3 version 16:32:44 <remur_030> so anything to contribute to the point? 16:33:06 <remur_030> EagleScreen_: please add this to the wiki page, it's not feasible to track stuff like this out of some irc logs 16:33:23 <llunak> EagleScreen_: there's no soundkonverter in the page, where did you get it from? 16:33:27 <remur_030> it's done in like 2 minutes 16:34:16 <cb400f> but it's not in factory.. only in kde:kde3 16:34:29 <remur_030> EagleScreen_: ah it's not even in factory anymore, then please file a request to package soundkonverter4 16:34:35 <remur_030> 1.0.0beta3 16:35:01 <EagleScreen_> remur_030: via novell bugzilla? 16:35:08 <remur_030> llunak: I take it the list is really all remaining users of kdebase3? 16:35:46 <remur_030> EagleScreen_: better do on opensuse-kde list, I don't think tittiacoke and other packaging heroes track bnc for requests 16:35:48 <llunak> remur_030: you mean of qt3/kdelibs3? there may be other apps in other repos, this is only what is in KDE:KDE3 (i.e. the KDE team responsibily) 16:36:12 <remur_030> llunak: so in kdf there is nothing depending on kdebase3? 16:36:54 <cb400f> EagleScreen_: en.opensuse.org/KDE_ideas 16:37:13 <llunak> remur_030: no, kdf is strictly kde4 now 16:37:27 <cb400f> but if soundkonverter needs any of the "exciting" multimedia stuff there's no point 16:37:39 <remur_030> llunak: ok, then no adding applications to the list but only commenting 16:38:35 <cb400f> EagleScreen_: sorry.. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:KDE_ideas 16:39:03 <EagleScreen_> firefox usually resolv well en.opensuse.org/KDE_ideas 16:39:08 <remur_030> so are we done with the topic? 16:39:14 <remur_030> anything else to add? 16:39:44 <llunak> not from me 16:39:49 <cb400f> so what's the conclusion? .. quanta is kept.. everything else will be dropped.. kde4 replacement will be added when/if people care? 16:40:22 <remur_030> cb400f: conclusion is i write a last call mail to the list so people will make their voice heard 16:40:28 <EagleScreen_> bad URL, I see 16:40:43 <cb400f> ok 16:40:45 <remur_030> anything uncommented is up for anything unpleasent 16:41:47 <remur_030> so next: 16:42:00 <remur_030> #topic 'Q&A, misc 16:42:19 <remur_030> Make your questions heard now or just ask outside of the meeting ;-) 16:42:39 <javier_> this kde3 discussion reminds me of kde4-l10n... why does it have kde4-? 16:42:42 <remur_030> after the meeting that is 16:42:44 <llunak> remur_030: please do not do #endmeeting, I want to try something after the meeting is over 16:42:56 <remur_030> llunak: ok 16:43:04 <llunak> javier_: because just l10n-cs is not a good name for it 16:43:29 <javier_> llunak: i mean kde-l10 instead of kde4-l10n 16:43:37 <EagleScreen_> the only KDE3 application I'd care is kdbg 16:43:40 <javier_> *kde-l10n 16:43:42 <llunak> javier_: kdelibs is also kdelibs4 16:43:50 <javier_> right 16:44:09 <jobermayr> kdbg has also been ported 16:44:11 <javier_> sometime I ago there was a mass renaming and I was just wondering about it 16:44:17 <llunak> jobermayr: not here, the wiki page 16:44:26 <remur_030> jobermayr: please add it! also with a link if possible 16:44:27 <javier_> ok 16:44:53 <llunak> javier_: it doesn't make sense to version the primary version of the app, but for packages like this it makes sense, since you are much more likely to have two versions 16:45:29 <javier_> ok 16:46:09 <llunak> remur_030: I guess that's all for the meeting, so we can finish and please don't forget to wait before #endmeeting now :) 16:46:33 <remur_030> So thanks everybody for attending and hope to see you in two weeks 16:46:44 <remur_030> just pull my bugbot status =) 16:47:00 <llunak> remur_030: please do #chair llunak 16:47:06 <remur_030> #chair llunak 16:47:06 <bugbot> Current chairs: llunak remur_030 16:47:13 <llunak> #meetingtopic meeting topic 16:47:22 <llunak> #topic test topic 2 16:47:36 <llunak> remur_030: ok, you can #endmeeting now, thanks 16:47:43 <remur_030> #endmeeting