13:04:18 #startmeeting openSUSE GNOME Meeting 13:04:18 Meeting started Fri Aug 6 13:04:18 2010 UTC. The chair is metalgod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:04:18 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:04:39 well, I can give it a try... 13:04:45 #action openSUSE 11.3 Release: A summary and discussion of what went right/wrong 13:04:58 interestingly enough the 'run back' on the thread was rather low. Only a handful of replies comming in. 13:05:32 The general tone was rather positive, except vuntz ranting that we started too late with features. And the 2nd negative is that we get way too late serious testers / bugreportes on board 13:05:58 i have to agree with the QA part 13:06:03 but it's our fault 13:06:36 nobody else was to be blamed... it's one of the parts we, as gnome team, did bad.. be it testing or attarcting teters 13:06:47 how can we improve that for 11.4 ? 13:06:59 bribe badshah400 with some t-shirts ? ;-) 13:07:17 psankar, :) 13:07:38 that is certainly something we NEED: badshah400 did a great job and needs recognition for this job.... vuntz? anything you can do there? 13:07:39 I did experince bugs but didn't report one single issue 13:07:55 captain_magnus: that fine and valid: as long as you go on and fix the bugs 13:07:57 DimStar: I need an action item to investigate this, indeed 13:08:04 My problem was that I was too busy with other things :-( 13:08:31 i think we should somewhat motivate users to use G:F a little early or test Milestones 13:08:32 #action vuntz investigate how to get some goodies for highly active contributors 13:08:34 DimStar, thanks 13:09:11 metalgod: it's better to have people test milestones than G:F 13:09:17 metalgod: G:F is moving fast at times 13:09:20 yes 13:09:26 so not the best option for testers 13:09:26 other than that, I think we really let go on 'formal communication'. nobody cared for organized meetings. 13:09:43 2.30 testing on 11.3 is a good move 13:09:43 * vuntz wonders if bugbot took the #action he wrote 13:09:52 the meetings ain't run like they used to be :) 13:09:53 vuntz, i guess only metalgod can command it 13:10:04 hey mw_ 13:10:07 metalgod: #chair vuntz 13:10:08 one thing I believe would help testers is to have milestone to milestone goals for GNOME 13:10:13 #action vuntz investigate how to get some goodies for highly active contributors 13:10:39 badshah400: do you have any example of how this would work? 13:10:46 well one thing i've noticed is that there's lot's of users testing fedora beta 13:10:49 and ubuntu beta 13:10:49 badshah400: ie, what kind of goals? 13:10:56 but not many opensuse beta/milestones 13:11:16 vuntz, I am sorry, I meant like having a summary of changes 13:11:19 i'm not saying that opensuse milestones are broken because as you know are not :) 13:11:19 psankar: are you okay to make the meetings happen during this cycle? 13:11:30 vuntz, yes. I am ready to. 13:11:37 metalgod: Do you actually run with the milestones/betas? 13:11:40 psankar: sweet. DimStar will be happy :-) 13:11:43 I think the thing missing is developer-tester synchronisation or something like it, perhaps I cant explain clearly 13:11:50 i think we should really highlight some features to motive users to test it 13:11:51 badshah400: that's a good point. Summary of changes. 13:11:52 captain_magnus: yes 13:11:54 metalgod: Or upgrade from factory as I do? 13:12:11 captain_magnus: usually i do a clean install around M6 13:12:20 that's why i'm using upstart :) 13:12:33 badshah400: I would expect that having regular meetings to explain what's going on would actually help for this. What do you think? 13:12:34 but suppose a developer points out a important changes [and makes it verbose], then that would help testers see if those changes break things or not 13:12:51 vuntz, yes that would definitely help 13:12:52 i have to agree with badshah400 on that 13:13:07 badshah400: I think it's the best way to "force" ourselves to summarize changes 13:13:11 highlight features motivates users to install a milestone 13:13:21 but having a thread on the mailing-list would too 13:13:26 like "GNOME ships blah for the first time... please test" 13:13:28 I don't think we're good at documenting stuff with no social pressure ;-) 13:13:28 i would say: invest into the milestone announcements 13:13:29 metalgod, right 13:13:35 metalgod, so you can add a #action on me to schedule meetings regularly (/me grins at FunkyPenguin who said it will be only once ;-0 ) 13:13:49 #action on me to schedule meetings regularly 13:13:58 agreed on that: we should also all blog more about things we did like that... the NM0.8.1 update for example got quiet some users as I've seen... new features are attracting. 13:14:03 psankar: ;) 13:14:07 metalgod, ;-) 13:14:17 DimStar: +1 13:14:18 great milestone announcements will attract testers. more than meetings i bet :) 13:14:21 DimStar: yeah agreed... too bad i'm too lazy 13:14:26 tweeting too 13:14:29 DimStar: i'm using your branch 13:14:36 (we have a opensuse-gnome account on tweeter) 13:14:38 psankar, i dont recall saying that ;) 13:14:41 henne: oh, the meetings is the place where we can collect the list of changes. And then we can put that in announcements 13:14:58 vuntz: sure :) 13:14:58 henne: i loved your announcement on M2 or M3 13:15:21 ok people can we move to the next topic ? 13:15:39 oh, we can abuse the opensuse-gnome account. Could we maybe have a bot here that would be able to post tweets when we ask it to do so? 13:15:39 metalgod: ok with me 13:15:44 so we need to find a way to attract more powerusers to test Milestones and GNOME:Factory 13:15:45 metalgod: thanks. they did cost me half a day to day. so shouldnt take you guys more then 2 hours to have a great GNOME paragraph 13:15:59 to avoid bugs on final 13:16:39 about late features DimStar... anything to say ? 13:16:43 metalgod, just one more comment. 13:16:48 go ahead 13:17:23 metalgod, if we have a wiki page explaining how to test gnome:factory in a vm, it will be good. During 11.2, I could never get vmware working, kvm was cmdline driven - didnt want to learn etc, 13:17:36 late features: well: I can only agree with vuntz. There was no clear distrinctions what we want to do besides getting the latest version of every gnome package in. 13:17:57 psankar: sounds great... also building G:F on susestudio 13:18:15 volunteers for psankar proposal ? 13:18:27 DimStar: I guess we can discuss how to improve that significantly when we discuss point 5 today :) 13:18:33 wait, wait. I feel we have many good points that should be recorded in the minutes with #info :-) 13:18:47 metalgod: can you do #chair joe 13:18:51 sure 13:18:52 metalgod: I think I can have a look at SuSE studio... but we better get a kiwi config inside OBS... (studio is too manual for this) 13:18:53 err, #chair vuntz 13:18:59 #chair vuntz 13:18:59 Current chairs: metalgod vuntz 13:19:20 DimStar: i guess we need to start packaging new stuff early 13:19:34 Now is the time everyone waits eagerly to see what vuntz will say to himself ;-) 13:19:35 deja-dup and rygel could be packaged a few months ago 13:19:37 #info we should use meetings to collect list of changes in GNOME, as a basis for GNOME paragraph in milestones announcements 13:19:46 metalgod: I actually believe we did a good job with keeping up-to-date with packages... 13:19:57 yes we did thanks to you DimStar 13:19:59 but NEW things also need to be brought to attention. 13:20:05 #info we should be more active in promoting our work, via the opensuse-gnome identi.ca/twitter account and blogs 13:20:36 ok so what if we do a research and find a few packages to package for 11.4 ? 13:20:53 what people want and what is useful and what we can remove ? 13:21:04 metalgod: I have a list of stuff to packages on the old wiki... 13:21:05 metalgod: good idea 13:21:15 vuntz: i'll take that action if you don't mind 13:21:27 vuntz: I think you brought most of this in 'features' already? 13:21:31 #action metalgod find new packages for 11.4, remove old 13:21:40 * DimStar is ashamed for not looking regularly into openfate 13:21:50 fwiw, since 11.4 will go with 2.32, we'll have quite a few months where things will be quieter than usual, packaging-wise. So it's a good opportunity to add missing apps 13:21:50 ok 13:22:04 can we move to next topic ? 13:22:07 vuntz: anything to say ? 13:22:46 nothing more to add (I feel we said too much at the same time, so we need good minutes to capture all this) 13:22:56 ok 13:23:16 #topic GUADEC Update (Vuntz and DimStar) 13:23:27 i'm missing someone ? 13:23:43 metalgod, I guess it is fine 13:24:08 so what guadec brought to us except we won't have GNOME 3.0 in September ? 13:24:13 :) 13:24:30 well, I guess it was useful to see what's going to happen... 13:24:34 is there any specific question? 13:24:37 metalgod, that is the big news :-) 13:25:00 vuntz: anyone interested in opensuse or questions about OBS ? 13:25:18 guadec was a good opportunity to see a bit 'behind' the scenes and I think / hope that we managed to strengthen our links also inside opensuse-gnome a little bit, as we had several people from our team there. 13:25:26 I felt opensuse was more visible than in the past, so that was good 13:25:43 and we had stuffed geekos to give away. People loved them 13:25:44 i haven't quit about bringing opensuse to gnome developers 13:26:09 we should blog more about jhbuild experience and general package manager stuff 13:26:17 was there a openSUSE talk of somekind ? 13:26:36 metalgod: Yes I agree.... Too bad vuntz doesn't :-/ 13:26:49 yes 13:27:10 our package manager is top quality but people still thinks apt is the best 13:27:12 same for yum 13:27:15 psankar: there's no real downstream talk at guadec 13:27:23 vuntz, okay. 13:27:32 although I think BinLi1 mentioned obs in some slides 13:27:37 vuntz: argh - I am fixing bugs from time to time, 13:27:42 if people realize that we removed most of the susisms from the GNOME livecd 13:27:44 vuntz: I just committed another set of fixes yesterday 13:27:49 vuntz: OTOH - that thing is a huge time-sink. 13:27:54 captain_magnus: nod. I'm not a good blogger. I hate that :-) 13:27:58 vuntz: i read jimmac's post about GUADEC http://jimmac.musichall.cz/log/?p=1035 13:27:58 vuntz: what do you want from me - blood ? :-) 13:28:27 is there some benefit from the 3.0 design that could be put in for 2.32 or is it really too different/drastic? 13:28:35 mmeeks: dude, you're still the bonobo maintainer. You're a superhero! PK has to be easy! ;-) 13:28:43 hah 13:28:45 vuntz: It's not about many blog posts... It's about you talking about openSUSE 13:28:46 badshah400: that's the next topic 13:29:00 ah, so I'll wait for the next topic, then :-) 13:29:00 mmeeks: i'm loosing my head with PK too 13:29:01 The PK daemon is even more 'optimistic' about threading than bonobo was (sad to say) 13:29:06 i share your pain 13:29:08 metalgod: ok 13:29:30 metalgod: sure, OTOH - it's an awesome concept & wonderful to have so ... ;-) 13:29:42 mmeeks: doing apt-rpm backend isn't trust me ;) 13:29:44 metalgod: if you are getting a series of crashers; try master ... 13:30:06 ok sorry 13:30:07 metalgod: interesting ! why're you working on that ? :-) 13:30:09 next topic 13:30:17 mmeeks: the distro i work for uses apt-rpm 13:30:36 API is horrible (c++) and uses lua embedded bindings 13:31:20 ok vuntz and DimStar can we move ? 13:31:22 i think we are getting a little distracted. 13:31:45 #topic Current Repositories organization (Vuntz) (how to get GNOME 2.30 packages in 11.2, 11.3 etc.) 13:31:51 metalgod: I'm not sure what kind of really relevant things I can say about guadec, so moving on is good 13:32:01 this one is easy 13:32:04 i think captain_magnus and DimStar can also talk about this one 13:32:26 we have GNOME:STABLE:2.30 for 11.2 and 11.3 13:32:36 and 11.2 users should make sure to also use GNOME:Backports:2.30 13:33:28 the only feedback I remember about G:S:2.30 is a gdm issue 13:33:30 vuntz: GNOME:STABLE:3.0 is too much for 11.2 users ? :) 13:33:37 is tehre any way to 'enforce' such repo dependenices? Most issues we see are from missing / old pakcages 13:33:57 i also think we should update telepathy packages on G:F 13:34:12 wait, wait. Let's stay on 2.30 for now 13:34:14 it brings new features and doesn't mess with empathy 13:34:16 metalgod: G:F is catching up... vuntz was reviewinng most of my SRs last night 13:34:32 did someone fix the gdm issue? 13:34:44 (I posted instructions in a mail, iirc) 13:34:46 s/G:F/G:S:2.30\g 13:35:07 psankar: want to fix gdm issue ? :) 13:35:09 vuntz, if none has looked into it. I can take it up over the weekend (gdm login err. dialog) 13:35:17 yay 13:35:18 metalgod, yes . action me ;-) 13:35:31 see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-gnome/2010-07/msg00075.html 13:35:32 #action psankar take care of gdm 2.30 on GNOME:STABLE:2.30 13:36:06 except for the gdm issue, it seems G:S:2.30 is working relatively well, so I guess we could advertize it a bit more? 13:36:09 DimStar: you mind if i update telepathy for 2.30 ? 13:36:22 metalgod: re telepathy in G:S:2.30 13:36:34 metalgod: why do you want to update the telepathy stack there? 13:36:46 (ie, for which features 13:36:51 metalgod: I believe rpm itself is getting a chunk of lua stuff inside itself - at least librpm now depends on lua on some of my systems ;-) 13:36:55 vuntz: easy... because i use protocols that usually gets new features and fixes 13:37:05 * mmeeks wonders how the madness infected the lower levels of the system ... 13:37:10 #info except for a gdm issue, G:S:2.30 is working relatively well and can be more widely advertized 13:37:24 metalgod: examples? 13:37:32 "using mostly spoons - we dig a tunnel out of the city - and abandon RPM there ... ;-)" 13:37:50 vuntz: well msn (yeah i know it sucks) got connection fixes and file transfers (same for gtalk) 13:37:51 metalgod: generally, I think G:S:* should be about official GNOME only. We can have a few exceptions, but we're careful about them 13:38:00 mmeeks: not the poor rpm! 13:38:11 mmeeks: not sure if our rpm uses it.. it's 4.6.0 13:38:21 apt-rpm sucks point. 13:38:29 vuntz, could that gdm issue be what is causing my pain? 13:38:39 darix: speaking of which - I need a SUSE-ist volunteer to come and talk about RPM at the MeeGo conference in Ireland - who is my man ? :-) 13:38:43 metalgod: except that some of those might require a newer telepathy-glib, and this gets a bit more complex 13:38:49 FunkyPenguin: for meego? I doubt so 13:39:05 mmeeks: rudi 13:39:51 vuntz, but my machine is upgraded from 11.2 and using G:S:2.30 13:40:13 vuntz: so if there isn't any newer telepathy-glib dependency can i start bumping telepathy-* ? i always build telepathy-butterfly for me 13:41:09 ok 13:41:11 next topic ? 13:41:12 metalgod: well 13:41:19 metalgod: I'd love to hear what DimStar thinks 13:41:33 vuntz: making life easy for you again, huh? 13:41:35 metalgod: I'm a bit reluctant to this, since then it's too easy to start updating many other things 13:42:33 will discuss later then 13:42:46 #topic Update about Meego (FunkyPenguin) (FCrozat will also be pulled in to 13:42:47 make him feel at home ;-) ) 13:42:57 #topic Update about Meego (FunkyPenguin) (FCrozat will also be pulled in to make him feel at home ;-) ) 13:42:58 * fcrozat hides.. 13:43:12 haha, you wont hide for long 13:43:22 * darix pushes fcrozat out into the spotlight 13:43:42 ok, there are a couple of major issues - the network panel is somewhat borked 13:43:42 vuntz: i moved the 11.4 thingy to the end don't worry :) 13:43:57 as is the internet panel 13:44:46 the network issue i think is down to a change from using the old nbtk to the newer mx 13:45:02 it works in a fashion, but doesnt display properly and is painful to use 13:45:25 main issue is there doesnt seem to be a maintainer anymore for network-manager-netbook 13:45:49 the web panel issue i think is down to chromium which is a weird beast on its own 13:45:52 FunkyPenguin: tambet or binli ? 13:45:52 BinLi isnt ? 13:46:04 FunkyPenguin: I'd take care of it 13:46:14 BinLi1, great thanks 13:46:22 But may be next week, :) 13:46:40 like i said i *think* it is down to no longer using nbtk but maybe mmeeks can confirm? 13:47:03 There are a bug for it now 13:47:39 i have also had some people say that hey cant actually pull up the web services settings or emapthy settings - apparently it pulls up gnome-control-center 13:48:36 once the network panel is fixed im happy to release a beta image with any known caveats 13:49:20 locally i have an issue logging into meego but it appears to be unrelated as i can login fine on other machines 13:49:49 any questions on the meego stuff? 13:50:44 btw... everybody welcome fcrozat to opensuse-gnome and to goblin/meego team !! 13:50:55 oh i need to thank DimStar for fixing a load of crud, and also anubisg1 who is going through and cleaning things up 13:50:59 when you need a rpm spec and gnome guru you have him :) 13:51:27 we should hopefully be able to provide both 32 & 64 bit builds now 13:51:33 FunkyPenguin, are you presenting about smeegol in meego conf ? 13:52:04 i havent submitted a talk as i doubt i can make the conf (atm) 13:53:11 ok can we move to the next topic ? 13:53:17 FunkyPenguin: fcrozat anything to say ? 13:53:23 not from em 13:53:29 err me even 13:53:41 metalgod: nothing to say either 13:53:55 ok move 13:54:10 #topic - GNOME Pet Peeves summary and followup plan (Atri ?) 13:54:16 badshah400: isn't you ? 13:54:21 OK, right 13:54:51 so I wanted to colect user-feedback on little issues with GNOME that hurt general usability 13:55:05 I have listed whatever feedback I received here http://wiki.opensuse.org/User:Badshah400 13:55:45 My intention is to identify corresponding upstream bugs and nudge the developers to fix them or so 13:56:04 for example this icon scrambling bug in GNOME has been around for like ever 13:56:08 badshah400: why don't you join GNOME usability team ? 13:56:14 badshah400, or get them fixed by us and push upstream :-) 13:56:44 metalgod: I am a no-hope about coding :) 13:57:10 badshah400: the usability team *usually* doesn't code 13:57:16 so I don't think I can help much 13:57:17 badshah400: so you fit in the usability team :) 13:57:27 OK :) 13:57:28 it's nice to have a list like this 13:57:35 read HIG badshah400 13:57:39 join the mailing list 13:57:48 good then I will see what I need to do about it 13:57:54 yes, I have read the HIG 13:57:55 may be during OSC10, people can solve all this in a GNOME hackroom ? 13:57:58 badshah400: do you intend to keep this list up-to-date and to get more feedback from users to have more items? 13:58:16 badshah400: I feel it's a bit more useful than bugzilla bugs, especially if there's someone who makes sure the list is not too long and reasonable 13:58:32 just the other day, and was surprised about the conflict between "Forgive the user" and lack of undo button in nautilus 13:59:02 vuntz: yes, I plan to update list as and when I receive more feedback 13:59:30 and also to follow up on them and see if there is some way I can help in some way 13:59:36 badshah400: sweet 13:59:50 badshah400: maybe blog about it to get more feedback? 14:00:08 badshah400: can i add an action to you ? 14:00:24 vuntz: OK, will do, but my lizards blog is not aggregated on plantesuse yet (just mailed admin) 14:00:26 badshah400: I can't stress that it's important to keep the list relatively short (even if you add a new item when another is removed) 14:00:27 I remember abock making some blog about making the notification dialog more attractive, colourful, configurable etc. but dont know if it was pushed upstream 14:00:31 stress enough 14:00:36 metalgod: sure do :) 14:00:38 we might also want to promote the list the our 'official' list of pet peeves (meaning out of the User: namespace in GNOME: namespace?) 14:00:58 yeah 14:01:07 as long as there's someone to maintain it :-) 14:01:18 sure, but I trust in Atri 14:01:26 DimStar: I will do that, just have not managed to follow up on all of the points yet 14:01:31 #action badshah400 convince him to join usability team and keep his list update 14:01:36 next topic ? 14:01:59 #topic oS-GNOME A11y goals and plans for 11.4 (decriptor/sshaw, suseROCKS?) 14:02:10 i think we should move this 14:02:13 i guess none of them are up. so we can skip it. 14:02:18 ok 14:02:29 #topic 11.4 Focus and plans (The 3 champs - Vuntz, Captain_Magnus, Dimstar) 14:02:33 ok the big one here 14:02:39 #topic 11.4 Focus and plans (All of us) 14:03:06 so 14:03:20 sshaw: heh, you're two minutes late! 14:03:38 upstream, the plan is to have: 14:03:43 2.32 at the end of September 14:03:47 3.0 at the end of March 14:04:00 for openSUSE, the plan for 11.4 is to release mid-March 14:04:11 so we can't have 3.0 ready for 11.4 14:04:34 therefore, the idea is to have 11.4 ship with 2.32, and provide an additional project on the build service for 3.0 14:04:49 we'll try hard to have 3.0 available as soon as it's out in this project 14:04:50 vuntz: how hard would be it be to release 3.0 2-4 weeks earlier? 14:04:58 darix: upstream? 14:05:03 yes 14:05:18 darix: ship a release candidate/beta ? 14:05:20 darix: quite hard. That'd make our release cycle shorter, and we probably don't want this for 3.0 14:05:23 release mid-march means freeze mid-february... so we would need G3 even 6 weeks earlier 14:05:42 DimStar: well 14:05:57 we would of course have all RCs/betas of 3.0 in 11.4 already 14:06:04 so we just push in the final 3.0 14:06:11 so 4 weeks would be fine 14:06:44 darix: I think to have coolo accept this, we'd need to have 3.0 out for RC1 14:07:00 yes 14:07:10 darix: pong 14:07:22 charles_: query in a few 14:07:25 darix: RC1 checkin is Feb 4th 14:07:44 vuntz: but if you have all G3 RCs in it ... then the changes from RC to final shouldnt be that much right? 14:08:00 darix: well, all packages will get updated, still 14:08:08 darix: no big code change, but still a new tarball 14:08:19 vuntz: sure 14:08:20 darix: and that's a no-go for RC2 14:08:25 (imho) 14:08:50 but really, the thing is that I don't see 3.0 out before March 20th anyway 14:09:11 and I don't feel it's reasonable for us to release 11.4 with something that is not even 3.0 14:09:20 (I'd feel much more comfortable with 3.0.1) 14:09:48 my personal opinion is to concentrate on making the most out of GNOME 2.32.x rather than on 3.0 14:09:53 we will delay 11.4 release ;-) ? 14:10:04 psankar: Agree... best option there is! 14:10:17 for gnome? never :p 14:10:47 * darix goes back to lurk mode 14:11:07 and delaying 11.4 is not really feasible 14:11:17 badshah400: that's bad for marketing 14:11:24 why not just focus on 2.32.x and make it more usable 14:11:24 all distros will ship 3.0 on april 14:11:27 we have to live with the fact that once every 3 releases, we can't have the latest GNOME 14:11:28 and we don't 14:11:37 I see 14:11:42 but in general i agree 14:11:47 metalgod: seriously. If we have a build service project ready for this, with livecd, that's really the same 14:12:03 metalgod: we can even "release" before the other distros, this way 14:12:34 yes i agree vuntz 14:12:41 vuntz: I think we could market it kind-of flashy (like *-respin)? 14:12:48 better ship stable than unstable 14:12:49 good point: we should make sure to have live CD spins available shortly after release.. some, that when you install, give you the normal repos & the GNOME3 one straight enabled... 14:13:01 then we can 'sell' it as an intermediate 11.4.1 release! 14:13:15 the day after GNOME 3.0 we can have it available for users 14:13:26 metalgod: we're not that slow! same day :) 14:13:49 eheh 14:13:55 right OBS rocks!! 14:13:55 Best Laid Plans :-) Sounds attractive. 14:14:05 ok action then 14:14:21 so, that's the plan for which upstream version to use 14:14:30 anybody here knows how to make live cd's build in OBS? (I think kiwi needs to be enabled on a per-project bassi) 14:14:31 now, there's the question of what feature we want to focus on for 11.4 14:14:36 I think this can be an action item too: market and highlight 3.0 live-cd thru blogs and tweete and so on 14:14:42 #action everyone get GNOME 3.0 available in the same day for opeSUSE 11.4 and try to get a respin 11.4.1 14:15:00 DimStar: see GNOME:Medias 14:15:00 vuntz: i think we should focus on packaging more applications 14:15:12 metalgod: the 11.4.1 'version tag' probably needs some approval from the project. 14:15:24 DimStar: yes that's why i added "try to get" 14:15:57 so, we agree want more apps 14:16:03 but that's not really a feature 14:16:08 true 14:16:13 what apps are we talking about? is there a voting page? 14:16:26 badshah400: I have a list somewhere, and metalgod wants to collect more ideas 14:16:32 ok 14:16:34 badshah400: i already have that action.. research for new apps and package it 14:17:04 badshah400: i can add you to that action if you want... 14:17:10 we need something more suitable for the list... openfate is too cluttered for that, so is bugzilla (I'd need a quick overview of what is requested, who works on it, what are the issues with it) 14:17:16 metalgod: ok that sounds good 14:17:47 #action badshah400 research with metalgod for new apps to be available on 11.4 14:17:51 metalgod, I got 2 packagers (non-openSUSE) asking if they can help with some packaging. I will point them to you. 14:18:00 btw, I propose to have a "new app of the week" thing, where we work on packaging at least one specific new app per week 14:18:04 psankar: sure me or someone from the team 14:18:12 DimStar: Let us have a wiki page for that 14:18:18 (in bugzilla it could be handled with whiteboard tagging... but it's bad that those requests are to be bound to a 'version' of opensuse) 14:18:36 vuntz: sounds good 14:18:44 badshah400: can you also create a wiki page to track 11.4 features? 14:18:54 openSUSE:GNOME_Features_11.4 would do 14:18:58 vuntz: yes 14:19:00 #action vuntz start a "new app of the week" thing, where we work on packaging at least one specific new app per week 14:19:05 badshah400: sweet, thanks! 14:19:17 vuntz: any specific features like more branding ? 14:19:20 fwiw, in my notes, I have a few things I want to work on: 14:19:43 make sure all the PackageKit integration works well (to install codecs, mime handlers, fonts, etc.) 14:20:07 work with upstream on the tracker-search-tool UI to improve it 14:20:18 i.e. xchat-gnome could point to #opensuse by default 14:20:24 or #opensuse-gnome 14:20:37 metalgod: pet peeve, not feature :-) 14:20:41 metalgod: (but good one) 14:20:52 right :/ 14:20:58 and my third feature I want to see is "be ready for GNOME 3 in March" 14:21:17 vuntz: we talked a few releases ago for a ggreeter replacement 14:21:21