17:01:40 <bmwiedemann> #startmeeting 17:01:41 <bugbot> Meeting started Thu Jul 19 17:01:40 2012 UTC. The chair is bmwiedemann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:41 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:49 <bmwiedemann> Hello everyone 17:01:49 <bmwiedemann> As always, today's agenda is on http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Testing_meeting 17:01:49 <bmwiedemann> You can still add to the agenda on the wiki while the meeting is in progress 17:01:59 <bmwiedemann> #topic 12.2 testing 17:02:06 <bmwiedemann> #chair Holgi 17:02:06 <bugbot> Current chairs: Holgi bmwiedemann 17:02:57 <bmwiedemann> I'm running 12.2-RC1 on several machines now and still Beta2 on others. Only small issues so far 17:03:10 <bmwiedemann> got the lxdm problem patched and SRed now :) 17:03:34 <Holgi> I'm running beta 2 on my workstation 17:03:40 <Holgi> still 17:04:19 <Holgi> hope to have some time next week for rc a 17:04:22 <Holgi> 1 17:04:35 <LWFinger> I have RC1 on 2 machines. 17:05:11 <bmwiedemann> I had display problems with kdm on nouveau 17:05:26 <bmwiedemann> needed rcxdm restart , so I switched to lxdm for now 17:06:04 <LWFinger> Nouveau fails on both of mine. Someday I need to file a proper bug report. 17:06:58 <LWFinger> One of my displays is at 1024x768 and is OK with the frame buffer driver. 17:07:04 <bmwiedemann> best file it upstream 17:08:19 <LWFinger> Yes on the upstream. The other is 1280x800, which the fb cannot handle and nv crashes. Bug # 770560. 17:08:52 <LWFinger> I hope to get that last one fixed before GM. 17:09:53 <LWFinger> No other problems. 17:13:41 <bmwiedemann> bgerber, a-865, yaloki - any 12.2 testing? 17:14:18 <bmwiedemann> BManojlovic, Creatura85, Ilmehtar, m4z: ping 17:15:29 <bmwiedemann> then we could move to the next topic 17:15:38 <bmwiedemann> #topic next meeting 17:15:39 <LWFinger> OK 17:16:11 <LWFinger> What is current release date for RC2? 17:16:20 <bmwiedemann> I guess next week 17:17:04 <bmwiedemann> coolo got all 12.2 packages building now 17:17:18 <LWFinger> Good. 17:18:15 <Holgi> Larry: I ask about openSUSE conference in Orlando - I will take part- you a well? 17:18:29 <Holgi> you as well? 17:19:10 <LWFinger> I saw the question, but my KDE session crashed before I sent my answer. No, I will not. 17:19:55 <Holgi> would be good chance to meet face to fac. where are you located? 17:20:40 <LWFinger> As a retired person, travel like that is difficult. I'm in Kansas City, MO, about 1/2 the country away. 17:20:54 <Holgi> I See 17:21:12 <Holgi> to bad 17:21:12 <LWFinger> This is a big country. 17:21:26 <LWFinger> Yes, it is too bad. 17:21:50 <bmwiedemann> I'll be in Prague in October 17:22:38 * Holgi not 17:22:46 <LWFinger> That is a nice city. I hope you don't have to work too hard. 17:23:23 <bmwiedemann> openSUSE conference there will be some work and some fun 17:23:35 <LWFinger> Good! 17:24:53 <bmwiedemann> I might be on vacation in 14d from now 17:25:25 <bmwiedemann> so what about 2012-08-09 for next meeting? 17:25:54 <LWFinger> I will not be available from July 26 till August 7. The 9th would be good. 17:26:15 <Holgi> I will be on vacation after you 17:27:14 <bmwiedemann> If I understood roadmap planning correctly, august is supposed to be a quiet months with all those vacations 17:27:52 <Holgi> so meet in sept then? 17:28:20 <bmwiedemann> we can have the meeting on 2012-08-09 and then meet 2-3 weeks after it 17:28:29 <bmwiedemann> it still is an important time for testing 17:28:51 <LWFinger> That is OK with me, and we certainly need the testing. 17:29:13 <Holgi> ok. I'm just not sure if I will join on the 9the 17:30:07 <LWFinger> We can hope that meeting will be as uneventful as today. 17:30:17 <bmwiedemann> yep. likely will 17:30:46 <bmwiedemann> #agreed next meeting 2012-08-09 17:00 UTC 17:30:52 <bmwiedemann> #topic open discussion 17:31:00 <LWFinger> Holgi: You can do as tigerfoot has done and post anything you want us to see on the wiki. 17:31:26 <Holgi> yes 17:31:55 <bmwiedemann> I submitted a session to the openSUSE conference about how to improve development of openSUSE-Factory 17:32:05 <bmwiedemann> as BoF/discussion 17:32:36 <LWFinger> What ideas do you have? 17:34:58 <bmwiedemann> having a staging area, where automated tests are run on submissions 17:35:33 <bmwiedemann> if tests pass, packages can move to the more stable Factory area 17:35:44 <bmwiedemann> and if tests fail, things have to be fixed first 17:35:53 <bmwiedemann> (either the packages or the tests) 17:36:19 <LWFinger> I see how that would get feedback to the dev earlier. Would it save build time as well? 17:36:30 <bmwiedemann> it might 17:36:49 <bmwiedemann> but it could also need extra build power 17:37:00 <bmwiedemann> to build dependent packages in the staging area 17:37:16 <bmwiedemann> so that a new gcc would show its effects 17:37:26 <LWFinger> Am I correct that build capacity is rate-limiting? 17:37:55 * Creatura85 says good evening 17:38:03 <bmwiedemann> there is some way to prioritize in OBS. e.g. armv5 gets less builds than armv7 for that reason 17:38:17 <bmwiedemann> and there is a cap on the number of workers 17:38:29 <bmwiedemann> from the hardware 17:38:31 <Creatura85> bmwiedemann: pong 17:38:49 <bmwiedemann> Creatura85: good evening. did you test 12.2-RC1 ? 17:39:01 <Creatura85> bmwiedemann: yes 17:39:14 <Creatura85> managed to upgrade from beta to rc1 without any problems 17:39:33 <Creatura85> 1500 + packages got upgraded 17:39:56 <bmwiedemann> which is probably everything 17:40:21 <LWFinger> Was that with zypper dup, or with booting NET or DVD? 17:41:09 <Creatura85> bmwiedemann: yes all :) 17:41:12 <bmwiedemann> zypper up ? 17:41:32 <Creatura85> LWFinger: zypper dup with the oss, non-oss repos enabled 17:41:43 <bmwiedemann> zypper dup can be a bit more dangerous 17:41:56 <Creatura85> someone said something about non-oss having a separate repo ? 17:42:01 <Creatura85> bmwiedemann: not this time 17:42:10 <bmwiedemann> good 17:42:30 <Creatura85> oss and non-oss are the main repos 17:42:48 <bmwiedemann> you could get away without non-oss 17:42:54 <LWFinger> Good that you tested that route. I used NET to upgrade. As I had been following factory-snapshot, only ~50 packages. 17:43:16 <Creatura85> LWFinger: factory and 12.2 are separate now as far as i know 17:43:47 <bmwiedemann> but factory-snapshot might contain 12.2-RC1 17:43:50 <bmwiedemann> atm 17:43:58 <Creatura85> bootloader looks ok, the issue with the first login attempt still is around at kde login prompt 17:44:07 <Creatura85> bmwiedemann: could be 17:44:18 <Creatura85> the software module does not crash now 17:44:20 <Creatura85> its fixed 17:44:45 <LWFinger> That first login problem is fixed for me. Curious. 17:46:04 <bmwiedemann> if that is our worst bug, we will be fine :D 17:47:06 <LWFinger> At least networking looks solid. With that, updates are OK. 17:47:54 <bmwiedemann> I already saw several bigger things rejected for 12.2 - they might still come later as updates, but it should make for a solid 12.2-GM 17:48:11 <Creatura85> bmwiedemann: that sounds good to me 17:48:23 <Creatura85> stability is the most import part now 17:48:48 <Creatura85> *important 17:49:32 <bmwiedemann> there is usability, security... they compete sometimes 17:51:04 <a-865> no installs in weeks, just updating to RC1 on most machines bmwiedemann 17:51:23 <bmwiedemann> so updates apparently work well now 17:51:55 <a-865> except none of RC1 is available on mirrors except to zypper and YaST 17:52:09 <a-865> can't look to see what's new 17:52:33 <a-865> filed bnc 772151 some hours ago 17:52:42 <a-865> and OF 313803 17:54:09 <bmwiedemann> a-865: http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/opensuse/factory-snapshot/repo/oss/ should contain a mirror of RC1 17:55:09 <a-865> My repos are set to distribution/12.2, and work fine with zypper and YaST NAICT 17:56:04 <a-865> plus updates/12.2 17:57:09 <bmwiedemann> a-865: yes, because /distribution/12.2/repo/oss/ redirects to factory-snapshot/repo/oss/ (until 12.2 is finished) 17:58:11 <bmwiedemann> you can see that with curl -I http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.2/repo/oss/ 18:01:38 <bmwiedemann> a-865: for the fontconfig problem. did you try placing changes in /etc/font/local.conf ? it seems to be there for user changes 18:03:41 <bmwiedemann> do we have other proposals on how to make Factory better? 18:04:10 <bmwiedemann> (or at least the Milestones and other releases, which is what matters for most users) 18:07:16 <Creatura85> no i have no idea at the moment 18:07:20 <bmwiedemann> then we should close today's meeting 18:07:34 <bmwiedemann> unless you have other things to discuss 18:07:48 <Creatura85> waiting for RC2 bmwiedemann :) 18:08:37 <bmwiedemann> #endmeeting