18:02:30 #startmeeting openSUSE Project Meeting 18:02:30 Meeting started Wed Aug 24 18:02:30 2011 UTC. The chair is prusnak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:02:30 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:02:44 #meetingtopic openSUSE Project Meeting 18:02:47 prusnak, you need to op bugbot before you @startmeeting 18:02:54 suseROCKs: i did 18:03:03 oh opps never mind :-_ 18:03:13 The agenda for today's meeting is: 18:03:20 1. Old Action Items 18:03:23 I'm following too 18:03:26 2. Status Reports 18:03:32 2.1 openSUSE Conference Planning Update 18:03:38 2.2 openSUSE Foundation Status Update 18:03:40 prusnak, more chairs please 18:03:47 2.3 GSoC Status Update 18:03:55 3. Proposal from Manu Gupta on Google Code-In 18:04:00 4. Board F2F at the openSUSE Conference? 18:04:05 5. permission@ requests 18:04:11 6. Where do we need to improve? 18:04:19 7. Questions & Answers 18:04:27 #chair suseROCKs AlanClark mrdocs 18:04:27 Current chairs: AlanClark mrdocs prusnak suseROCKs 18:05:00 okay 18:05:01 first topic 18:05:09 FYI: I was expecting a service technician to come to the house an hour ago but hasn't shown up yet. So I might have to step away unexpectedly for a moment 18:05:13 #topic Old Action Items 18:05:38 board items are at http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 18:06:03 there are two items - one mine - there is no progress whatsoever on user search in bugzilla 18:06:22 another is assigned to AlanClark - any news? 18:06:30 We can cover a bit on the Foundation here. 18:06:57 okay, please go on 18:07:12 I am rapidly working with Attachmate Executive Mgt and Legal teams. 18:07:58 With new management and legal team members, we are going through some education cycles. The SUSE management is supportive of the Foundation. 18:08:11 It is a matter of some internal work. 18:08:42 I am aiming for us to have much to talk about at osc and the board F2F. 18:08:58 great.. sounds like a plan 18:10:08 #info Alan working with Attachmate Executive Mgt and Legal teams, SUSE management is supportive of the Foundation. 18:10:09 For this bug, we aren't quite ready yet to write an announcement. We're getting closer, but we leave the bug as is for the moment 18:10:41 do you think there will be an announcement before the conference? 18:11:15 so people can read it before face to face discussion? 18:11:40 I don't know yet 18:11:48 okay, thanks 18:12:11 Project AIs are at http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 18:12:21 currently we have 4 open items 18:12:51 as adrianS, henne and cboltz are not here we skip the first 3 18:13:10 suseROCKs: can you tell us about the 4th one? 18:13:42 anything more? 18:13:42 prusnak, question for you 18:13:43 on your AI 18:13:44 as your AI pertains to bugzilla issues there's the oft-repeated discussion about whether we should get away from Novell Bugzilla. 18:13:59 Quesiton is, do we want to come up with some statement on this, or come up with a more indepth discussion... or what? Does anyone have some inking of a plan one way or the other? 18:14:05 err... is there a lag here? 18:14:51 there was a discussion about moving away from the novell bugzilla some time ago (months, even before acquisition) 18:15:04 but there was not a clear outcome 18:15:16 i think we should make this a topic for a discussion on the conference 18:15:25 well the discussion has reared its head again on our mailing list this past week. 18:15:39 +1 for conference discussion 18:15:41 which mailinglist? 18:16:02 I agree but I would much rather see a discussion centered around specific ideas rather than another session bellyaching about "I don't like this or that" 18:16:14 sure 18:16:23 we need to agree if we want to depart or not 18:16:34 and if yes who'll maintain the instance 18:16:35 prusnak, bugzilla vs fate is the subject line and its on factory ML 18:17:36 i think this is conference material 18:17:59 should it be part of the general meeting topic? 18:18:09 greg and pascal will be there and they both wanted to the current bugzilla situation 18:18:16 ...wanted to change.... 18:18:55 suseROCKs: i don't know, maybe have a separate BoF about that 18:19:14 prusnak, ok 18:19:21 Let's BoF it 18:19:28 AlanClark, thoughts on that? (regarding when in conference to discuss) 18:19:39 Thought expressed. :-) 18:20:08 #info we agreed we need a session (probably BoF) about novell vs. (open)suse bugzilla and bugzilla vs. fate discussion 18:20:24 ok I'm done asking questions on this specific topic 18:21:12 now prusnak had a question on my bug #711572 18:21:15 openSUSE bug 711572 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] Google Code-in" [Normal,Needinfo] https://bugzilla.novell.com/711572 18:21:38 I received a reply from Google 18:21:43 This one is actually also listed as Topic #3 in today's agenda. Shall we wait to Topic 3 to discuss or go ahead now? 18:22:00 let's discuss it now 18:22:05 ok 18:22:22 the summary of my investigation is detailed in the bug report regarding Manu's proposal for a Google Code-In 18:22:46 There were some questions in the investigation about whether GCI will be held again this year and the timing of the GCI contest 18:22:55 AlanClark, You say now you have word from Google? 18:23:20 I received a reply email from them this morning. " 18:23:21 We're not sure yet. Last year we announced around the first week of October. 18:23:21 back sorry plasma misbehaving 18:23:22 If we choose to do the program again we'll announce this year's program 18:23:24 around the same time. 18:24:00 thanks for the info 18:24:06 i also tried to reach folks from google but failed 18:24:18 ok so there's really nothing we can/should do now 18:24:19 I just added a comment to the bug. 18:24:40 Looks like we need to check in October 18:25:00 ok so we have a 6 week reprieve then :-) 18:25:05 assuming we actually want to do this. 18:25:25 #info folks at Google don't know whether there will be Google Code-In this year. if yes, they'll announce it sometime around the first week of October 18:25:40 I dislike the timing of last year's contest (Nov 22 - Jan 10) and I wonder how we can recruit >18 year old students 18:25:58 Is there a way to set a date on this bugg in bugzilla so that we can ignore it until October 1? 18:26:20 I was wondering the same thing 18:26:22 i don't know about such feature 18:26:45 the last comment mentions the date explicitely though 18:27:02 should we move on? 18:27:05 yeah 18:27:12 yes, next 18:27:29 #topic Status Reports 18:27:40 ++ openSUSE Conference Planning Update 18:28:05 anyone wants to take this one? 18:28:39 there is a lot of activity going on, i'm not sure who should i pick :) 18:28:55 lots of actvity. 18:29:05 Looks like it's coming together 18:29:31 Agreed and whenever there's something worthy we try to publish it on news.o.o 18:29:52 prusnak, and I are about to publish the announcement of the android app 18:30:29 I think he and digitltom did a great job on the app 18:30:36 yes, i saw announcements on news.o.o and i think we should continue using that 18:31:15 I missed that. Way cool! 18:32:24 #info lots of buzz going on about the conference, follow news.opensuse.org to get it all! 18:32:34 sshaw and I are working on an additional "fun activity" that will entice people to register and attend the conference. 18:33:16 great! 18:33:25 I hope you're not telling people "Register and get a belly dance with suseROCKs" 18:33:27 when are you going to announce it? or is it a local one? 18:34:15 We have a bit more to figure out, then we can announce. We're working on a 'giveaway' for the conference. 18:34:38 nice :) 18:35:05 We have to get it to work first ;-) sshaw keeps saying something about his day job getting in the way ;-) 18:35:27 #info alan and sshaw working on (secret for now) fun activity that will entice people to register and attend the conference. 18:35:30 yeah those ferrari's are always trouble to get working 18:35:59 next subtopic 18:36:16 next 18:36:18 openSUSE Foundation Status Update - we already dealt with that in the beginning of the meeting 18:36:22 next 18:36:32 GSoC Status Update 18:36:44 prusnak, is an wesome meeting moderator. He gets the topics talked about before the topic s :-) 18:36:47 i'll take this one 18:37:05 this monday was the firm "pencils down" for students 18:37:09 * sshaw blames it on his day job 18:37:26 * sshaw is however very excited about it if it works :) 18:37:30 during this week mentors have to fill in final evaluations (until friday) 18:37:51 some of them already did so, we are still waiting for 7 mentors 18:38:08 and to refresh my memory, how many projects did we have? 18:38:11 out of the other 7 mentors who filled in evaluations already - only 1 was fail 18:38:23 6 were successful 18:38:32 right now we have 14 projects in total 18:38:41 1 or 2 failed at the midterm 18:38:51 ouch on the fails 18:39:19 still i think this is good, let's wait for the last 7 evaluations 18:39:24 good success ratio 18:39:34 i will poke the mentors again tomorrow 18:39:37 true one or two fails in 14 is quite good actually 18:39:46 and i have seen a couple which are excellent 18:40:05 out of curiosity, was there ever a decisiona bout what to do with the openSUSE portion of the contest funds? 18:40:10 prusnak - I recieved the PO from google. 18:40:43 #info GSoC results will be closed this Friday, 7 mentors have already submitted their evaluations, only 1 of them was FAIL, we are still waiting for the other 7 evaluations 18:41:23 monies are being used to send to the google mtg (I don't remember the name); also some to bring them to osc 18:41:36 AlanClark: good, do you need help with that (the PO)? 18:42:05 Will one of you be accompanying the students to Mountain View for the Google event? 18:42:18 That's why I was looking for vincent earlier, to make sure it is inline with our expations. 18:42:33 Which I believe is in October. 18:42:47 suseROCKs: students are not going to mountain view, 2 of the mentors are - Tom Schmidt and Michal Hrusecky 18:43:02 Good. Good to have representation there 18:43:15 AlanClark: i read the PO and it seems right 18:43:57 I was in a rush when it arrived. I haven't been back to read it again. Did they give us funds for 2 mentors? 18:44:12 yes, $2000 18:44:43 Guess I was expecting to see 2*$2000 18:45:00 no, it is $1000 per mentor 18:45:17 That's gonna be a tight fit 18:45:20 tom and michal know that if they go above the limit, they have to pay themselves 18:45:50 (i already talk with them and it is around $60 above) 18:46:38 Sounds like we should cover that with the other Gsoc monies 18:47:08 Only $1060 to mountain view including hotel?? That's cheap 18:47:30 suseROCKs: no, hotel is paid by google, you pay only for the flight and then get it reimbursed 18:47:42 ahhhh 18:47:49 then that's a close enough amount sure 18:48:03 AlanClark: that is open to discussion i guess, i have no problem with that 18:48:53 yeah let's not quibble over a few dollars. 18:49:24 next topic? 18:49:33 However I'd like to propose if they have time to meet with any local openSUSE folks in the Bay Area 18:50:01 good idea :) 18:50:36 i might be there as well 18:50:47 depending on family visa situation 18:51:04 :) 18:51:32 Do you know the actual date of the Google Gthering? 18:52:06 22-23 Oct 18:52:14 ok 18:52:20 okay, let's go - we skip topic #3 because we already handled Google Code In issue during the Action Item 18:52:44 i would propose to remove that from the agenda permanently since its now an AI 18:52:52 okay 18:52:56 #topic Board F2F at the openSUSE Conference 18:53:23 we discussed a little on the mailing list 18:53:32 are we confirmed for the 9th? 18:53:37 yes. 18:53:42 i'll be in NBG 2 days prior the conference 18:53:53 so i can attend f2f on 9th and 10th 18:54:23 henne probably won't join us because of the conference duties, but this can change 18:54:26 9th is definite and 10th is as-needed, right? 18:54:41 we'll see how much time we'll need 18:54:55 im going to arrive the 8th 18:54:55 We need to work on the agenda. 18:55:00 ok I like that. Last few times we were so rushed with tiny time spent 18:55:13 i also arrive 8th evening 18:55:30 nd I arrive on 8th too. Arriving at 4 p.m. via train and heading over to EuroHotel 18:55:32 I arrive on the 8th as well. I think we will be recruited to help with osc setup on the 8th 18:55:43 so we only don't know about rupert 18:55:49 iirc 18:55:58 AlanClark, seriously? 8th? After all that traveling? :-) 18:56:12 suseROCKS - best to stay awake 18:56:23 yeah.... 18:56:43 #info most of the Board members will arrive on 8th Sept and will have a F2F meeting on 9th and 10th, just prior the conference 18:56:51 ok so we meet for sure on 9th at 10:00 a.m.? 18:57:09 at a conference room at the SUSE office 18:57:20 sounds good to me 18:57:25 alright 18:57:37 I'd like to emphasize to folks here that as always our face to face board meetings are not closed meetings 18:57:40 i might come sooner (9:30) to arrange the stuff 18:58:05 so we can actually start at 10:00 18:58:07 simply usually too boring for non board members to come to. :-) 18:58:23 suseROCKS, if so boring what are we doing there? 18:58:40 AlanClark, Its our opportunity to tell each other what we really think of each other face to face :-) 18:59:02 * mrdocs grins 18:59:14 suseROCKS and you think that will be boring? 18:59:21 LOL 18:59:48 Next stepis to work on the agenda. 19:00:11 I have invited Jos to attend as a guest and he has agreed 19:00:31 fine, i'm sure AJ will join as well if he has time 19:00:32 How about we form it on the project/board meeting wiki page? 19:00:34 and we should invite (why do I keep forgetting his name?!?) that is heading the SUSE offices 19:01:10 suseROCKS, you thinking of Nils? 19:01:17 AlanClark, i sure am! :-) 19:01:33 Good idea. I'll invite him to come meet us. 19:01:54 and MM as well. 19:02:22 And in the past, we set up a time slot for these guests to come to our meeting. Do we want to do that as well this time or just invite them to sit in with us the whole time? 19:02:30 timeslot 19:02:39 timeslot +1 19:02:51 I +1 that too much easier on them 19:03:00 and us too :) 19:03:07 and then the other question is do we want to meet them as a group or one on one or.... some as a group and others as one... 19:03:43 Group - depending upon their schedule 19:04:29 ok 19:04:47 so I also agree we should just all go to the wiki and add our suggested topics and be done with it 19:05:13 sounds reasonable 19:05:22 * AlanClark is editing the wiki 19:07:02 ok what's next? 19:08:16 AlanClark: could you please send URL of the page to board@ ML ? 19:08:28 next topic 19:08:36 #topic permission@ requests 19:08:45 there are two requests 19:08:48 it's the same page that we use for these meetings 19:09:03 AlanClark: ah thanks, i thought there was a separate one 19:09:11 a) http://www.linux-pratique.com, would like to use the OpenSUSE logo in upcoming issue 19:09:14 I already voted +1 on them and both have marketing benefits so I will be further investigating how we cn collaborate together. 19:09:16 b) Logo on SuperTuxCart 19:09:47 err i mean I will be passing it along to marketing team to further investigate 19:09:50 we have 4 out of 6 members present so we can vote 19:10:06 a) +1 19:10:09 b) +1 19:10:19 a) +1 19:10:21 b) +1 19:10:31 a) +1 19:10:33 b) +1 19:10:41 That was easy :-) 19:10:53 rupert voted by email +1 on both 19:10:54 I do have a question before we close the topic 19:11:11 2 actually 19:11:17 i voted +1 for both by mail 19:11:17 I do have a question as well 19:11:22 mrdocs voted on both +1 as well 19:11:36 mrdocs - is it a reputable magazine? 19:11:44 AlanClark: very 19:11:53 web is down atm, which kinda sucks 19:11:55 they have sponsored FOSS events 19:11:57 Question #1. Currently requests are sent to permissions@novell is this going to change in the new structure? 19:12:29 AlanClark: nationwide distribution in France, many authors are foss developers 19:12:42 suseROCKs: good topic for f2f 19:13:04 * AlanClark adds it as a topic 19:13:28 mrdocs, well its something we need to clarify fairly quickly imo or it becomes misleading to get suse permissions from novell int he current state 19:13:40 exactly 19:13:42 a topic for F2F yes but also a topic that needs to be discussed internally by the company 19:13:54 and they need to discuss it before we can discuss it, I think 19:14:52 the second question I have is that we're starting to get non-openSUSE requests forwarded to us. I'm unsure if its just coincidence or if the forwarder is just bulking it all together for everyone on the ML 19:15:04 I'll take that action item 19:15:55 I'll follow up with Sue on the second question. 19:16:33 AlanClark, also, in light of the last two requests, we need Jos to be on that ML too 19:16:54 why? the decision is the Boards 19:17:09 AlanClark, not in terms of decision but in terms of being aware of stuff 19:17:19 He usually handles press relations (such as the one from the French magazine) 19:17:33 I agree. We should be leveraging these much more. 19:18:05 and if you noticed in one reply by someone on the corporate side, they said to refer it to some marketing person over at Novell. and i wanted to jump in and say "Nuh uh! This is openSUSE territory!" :-) 19:19:04 And last question I have: How quickly do we reply to requestors when its voted yes by the board? 19:19:11 Let's talk about that at the F2F 19:19:21 I'd like to reach out to the TuxRacer guy and see if we can demo it during Conference 19:19:57 suseROCKs: please do 19:19:59 I've been taking the action to reply to these requests. 19:20:25 ok 19:20:32 Part of the reason is that I send the reply to Legal so that they can file the response for any future reference 19:21:00 I only want to reach out to the guy after you've done that step 19:21:06 suseROCKS. Why don't you reply to the TuxRacer and include a reply to permissions@ 19:21:25 ok 19:21:29 That way Sue(Legal) will get the response 19:21:39 can you forward me a copy of a past reply you've sent so I can keep the language similar? 19:22:01 yes. 19:22:11 Ok I'm done with my permissions questions :-) 19:22:24 next topic then? 19:22:24 Please let me know if I'm not asking enough questions today 19:22:26 I'll take the AI to respond to the French Magazine 19:22:38 I'll include Jos on the response 19:22:49 Perfect 19:23:25 yes prusnak 19:23:40 next 19:23:58 #topic Where do we need to improve? 19:24:34 Since this topic is about immediately-fixable things, I'll just inject here something I just created today 19:24:38 new factoid 19:24:44 !projectmeeting 19:24:44 Folks, the openSUSE Project and Board Meeting is about to begin. We invite you to join us at /join #opensuse-project. 19:25:03 you can use this in any room where SUSEhelp is logged in and encourage more people to joiin 19:25:13 what no brush your teeth jokes? 19:25:27 AlanClark: I can take the Fr magazine from your pile 19:25:29 don't make me come up with an AlanClark factoid! 19:25:58 mrdocs. Great. It yours. be sure to include to permission@ 19:26:10 of course 19:26:19 mrdocs, and include Jos because we want to be sure we can leverge this as much as possible 19:26:24 exactly 19:26:37 AlanClark: is there some sort of template people use ? 19:26:49 and I will start in French to make them feel at home :) 19:26:55 mrdocs. I'll send you the text 19:27:04 great 19:27:18 I'll send it to board@ 19:27:22 im back in france until the end of sept 19:27:38 *roughly* 19:27:48 mrdocs, just be back in time for Brainshare 19:28:02 suseROCKs: yes sir.. 19:28:26 I'm guessing we have no actual "need to fix" topics today :-) 19:28:38 * AlanClark looks forward to seeing mrdocs at Brainshare 19:28:58 I don't have anything for the "need to fix" topic today 19:29:03 same 19:29:12 AlanClark: ill be at OSC too 19:29:26 but im not shy in a booth either 19:29:28 there goes the neighborhood 19:29:39 suseROCKs: i know i know... 19:29:47 openSUSE storms the conference, headline at 10 lol 19:29:57 hehe 19:29:59 * mrdocs runs for a fresh diet coke 19:30:20 next 19:30:20 ok folks.... I'd like everyone to be aware that while we normally have board meetings online every two weeks, we won't have one two weeks from today 19:30:34 wait we have a question posted 19:30:41 in lieu, we will have a general meeting at the conference on the 14th 19:30:44 yep 19:30:54 let's move to Q&A 19:31:03 #topic Questions & Answers 19:31:14 there is a question by Jedibeeftrix 19:31:19 GSoC - Software Centre is coming along nicely, but what is the status of Appstream and Bretzn for opensuse 12.1? 19:31:53 Good Question 19:32:02 although i was involved in appstream project in its beginning, unfortunately, i don't know the current state of it 19:32:19 vincent untz and frank karlitschek would now more 19:32:26 it definitely seems to have disappeared from main conversation these days 19:32:59 vuntz|IS: you there ? 19:33:35 vuntz is on vacation in iceland till the end of the week 19:33:58 best we save this question for the next meeting 19:34:32 so we're done? 19:34:45 i guess so 19:35:03 I think we had a pretty good meeting today. Good job guys! 19:35:04 5 19:35:06 4 19:35:07 3 19:35:09 2 19:35:10 1 19:35:12 good meeting. Thanks all 19:35:13 0 19:35:16 -1 19:35:22 :) 19:35:33 See you all in two weeks. last one to Nuremberg is a rotten egg! 19:35:35 thanks all for joining us 19:35:36 * AlanClark didn't know atomic clocks could go negative 19:35:58 they can't, they go 255 after 0 :-) 19:36:03 #endmeeting