18:03:14 <suseROCKs> #startmeeting 18:03:14 <bugbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 15 18:03:14 2011 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:03:14 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 18:03:32 <suseROCKs> #chair AlanClark henne rhorstkoetter mrdocs prusnak 18:03:32 <bugbot> Current chairs: AlanClark henne mrdocs prusnak rhorstkoetter suseROCKs 18:03:52 <suseROCKs> All board members have previously stated their presence, so no roll call needed 18:04:05 <suseROCKs> Congrats to everyone for being present 18:04:20 <suseROCKs> Ladies and Gentlemen, the openSUSE Project + Board meeting shall now commence 18:04:32 <suseROCKs> You can view today's agenda at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting 18:04:48 <suseROCKs> Today's agenda is: 18:04:51 <suseROCKs> 1. Old Action Items 18:04:57 <suseROCKs> 2. Status Reports 18:05:04 <suseROCKs> 3. openSUSE Strategy 18:05:11 <suseROCKs> 4. openSUSE Facebook Group 18:05:22 <suseROCKs> 5. openSUSE Foundation 18:05:32 <suseROCKs> 6. Conference Planning 18:05:39 <suseROCKs> 7. Where do we need to improve? 18:05:41 <suseROCKs> 8. Q&A 18:05:52 <suseROCKs> I'm happy to observe that today we have a super-lightweight agenda! 18:05:56 <suseROCKs> (note sarcasm) 18:06:23 <suseROCKs> #topic Welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: Old Action Items 18:06:30 <rhorstkoetter> you even mixed the foundation in :p 18:06:51 <suseROCKs> First let's look at Project-Wide Action Items http://bit.ly/opensuse_action_items 18:07:28 <suseROCKs> henne, You have the first item Bug #691780 18:07:31 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 691780 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Apply proposed Trademark Guidelines changes to the wiki page" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/691780 18:08:26 <henne> its blocked by Bug #691779 18:08:29 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 691779 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Implement "based on openSUSE" branding packages" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/691779 18:08:41 <suseROCKs> oh they're related... ok 18:08:49 <henne> as long as thore are not finshed we can't apply the changes 18:09:09 <henne> es 18:09:14 <henne> rlihm now is trying to wrap his head around branding packages 18:09:20 <henne> and help javier 18:09:25 <henne> but he's not there yet 18:09:31 <suseROCKs> okay, so should we ping javier about it? 18:09:52 <henne> javier and rlihm 18:09:57 <suseROCKs> he's usually not present at this meeting so I'm unsure its being attended to 18:10:08 <suseROCKs> although what you just said, sounds like it is being attended to 18:10:25 * javier is going to have dinner 18:10:27 <prusnak> also we can ask sbrabec if needed - he's the one who came up with the idea of branding packages 18:10:48 <suseROCKs> ok and henne I have a question about your bug. Posting to wiki. For discussion purposes or as final? 18:10:49 <mrdocs> yes 18:10:50 <cartman> should be easy once we have the artwork 18:10:55 <henne> prusnak: the packages are not a problem 18:11:03 <henne> robert is just not a packager 18:11:06 <henne> yet :) 18:11:28 <cartman> well give rlihm dimensions and be done :P 18:11:31 <henne> suseROCKs: we already discussed this a lot 18:11:43 <henne> suseROCKs: so to make it live 18:11:50 <suseROCKs> henne, I don't recall my question asking if this is a discussion. just asking a clarification 18:12:15 <suseROCKs> ok 18:12:18 <henne> are we picky today? :) 18:12:28 <suseROCKs> could be :-) 18:12:42 <suseROCKs> ok so we can move on to Board Action Items now... 18:12:58 <suseROCKs> http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 18:13:00 <cboltz> wait a minute - I think bug 682098 somehow dropped off 18:13:03 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 682098 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "Decide how we go forward with contributor gifts." [Normal,Resolved: wontfix] https://bugzilla.novell.com/682098 18:13:07 <cboltz> I can't believe that nobody has a good idea ;-) 18:13:29 <cboltz> and closing it as wontfix, well, isn't the best idea IMHO 18:13:42 <henne> well come up with an idea 18:13:47 <henne> that is workable 18:13:49 <suseROCKs> and money :-) 18:14:03 <henne> on the marketing list that is :) 18:14:20 <cboltz> suseROCKs: that's the basic question: is there some money available for contributor gifts? 18:14:26 <suseROCKs> yes I believe izabel was going to lead that discussion. I can follow up with her on this. 18:14:37 <cboltz> if not, the discussion is finished instantly ;-) 18:14:45 <suseROCKs> cboltz, well right now, from what I can tell we are focusing a lot of current funds on the conference coming up. 18:14:58 <prusnak> you know if there's an idea you always find money 18:15:01 <suseROCKs> With the Attachmate merger, that kind of put a lot of budgets all around in flux so we kind of have to be patient a little longer 18:15:02 <henne> why do you think about funds first? 18:15:09 <henne> if you have the most awesome idea you find fuin 18:15:12 <henne> funds :) 18:15:15 <prusnak> it's not like there's money come up with something 18:15:27 <suseROCKs> Give everyone German fine-engineered Mercedes 18:15:31 <suseROCKs> Awesome idea 18:15:34 <suseROCKs> Now go find the funds :-) 18:15:37 <AlanClark> cboltz - if you have some ideas I'd like to hear them. Let's discuss on the marketing mailiing list 18:15:42 <cboltz> *lol* 18:16:02 <suseROCKs> p.s. Someone needs to drive my car for me 18:16:16 <suseROCKs> (additional funding required) 18:16:18 <henne> only if you dress like ms. sophie 18:16:21 <cboltz> ok, I'll speak up on the marketing ML - but please give me some days... 18:16:45 <prusnak> cboltz: thanks 18:16:47 <AlanClark> cboltz: awesome 18:16:52 <suseROCKs> #action cboltz to come up with ideas for Contributor gifts on marketing mailing list 18:16:54 <prusnak> but remember it's not always about money 18:17:11 <suseROCKs> right. It's about girls, fame and rock 'n roll 18:17:11 <prusnak> (mostly it is ..., unfortunately) 18:17:14 <cboltz> suseROCKs: I'll just reopen the existing AI ;-) 18:17:42 <henne> do we really need to track this here? 18:17:53 <suseROCKs> ok so back to board AI's http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais 18:18:10 <cboltz> henne: if it's not (open) in bugzilla, it's not there ;-) 18:18:22 <henne> cboltz: if you say so :) 18:18:41 <AlanClark> I say yes - it is a project level issue 18:18:43 * cboltz gutenborged this from yaloky ;-) 18:19:00 <suseROCKs> ok stay on track guys 18:19:04 <AlanClark> let's go to the board AI 18:19:16 <suseROCKs> Board items. First one is AlanClark Bug #670594 18:19:19 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670594 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Write an announcement about the new process of creating the foundation." [Critical,Assigned] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670594 18:20:09 <AlanClark> Well we did that, but with much time lapse 18:20:24 <suseROCKs> So close the bug? 18:21:26 <henne> where did you announce that? 18:22:13 <AlanClark> we need to rewrite that bug to fit our current status and need 18:22:22 <suseROCKs> ok I have a suggestion 18:22:36 <suseROCKs> "where did you announce that" seems to be a recurring theme these days 18:22:49 <suseROCKs> we're losing serious track of what did or didn't happen 18:23:04 <suseROCKs> I suggest we start a Board wiki page that lists actions resolutions, agreements, and so forth on a regular basis 18:23:14 <prusnak> suseROCKs: please, we can discuss this on where do we need to improve 18:23:26 <henne> yeah 18:23:29 <suseROCKs> that we, and the public, can all easily visit and scan through what we have. We have no actual tracking or documentation of our activities 18:23:30 <prusnak> i am also curious where did the announcement go 18:23:39 <prusnak> suseROCKs: we have - it is bugzilla 18:23:44 <henne> and news.o.o 18:24:03 <suseROCKs> neither are functional for the purpose of a single page summary of activitiy 18:24:05 <henne> to quote a wise man: if it's not (open) in bugzilla, it's not there ;-) 18:24:13 <henne> huh? 18:24:30 <henne> http://bit.ly/opensuse_board_ais is one page right? 18:24:39 <suseROCKs> only of open bugs 18:24:49 <mrdocs> brb 18:24:50 <suseROCKs> and only indicates action items 18:24:52 <prusnak> you can show closed as well 18:25:04 <prusnak> it is not the tool issue 18:25:09 <AlanClark> the announcement went out months ago - then we hit the acquisition which put us off track, so we're back to needing to put everything back on track 18:25:54 <henne> the announcement of the new process (the ml and stuff we did there) never got out 18:25:59 <henne> sorry 18:26:09 <AlanClark> +1 stick with bugzilla 18:26:41 <AlanClark> point is, we need to get back on track and do it again anyway 18:26:46 <henne> ok 18:27:15 <prusnak> agred 18:27:21 <suseROCKs> ok next Bug which is mrdocs Bug #685654 18:27:24 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 685654 in openSUSE.org (Board) "Webinar/Visit" [Major,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/685654 18:27:24 <prusnak> but HOW do we get back on truck 18:27:40 <prusnak> track, of course :) 18:27:47 <henne> bug on truck 18:28:11 <prusnak> okay, let's discuss this on topic 5 18:28:29 <henne> okay 18:29:15 <AlanClark> 685654 - let's close. We missed our window of opportunity to have a big impact. 18:29:38 <suseROCKs> AlanClark, Nah i say re-assign it and we'll continue to try to meet them next month 18:29:39 <henne> yeah 18:29:50 <suseROCKs> Michael did still state he wants a presentation 18:31:15 <suseROCKs> but no point in ffurther discussion of this AI until we have more arrangements with Michael 18:31:20 <suseROCKs> So we can move on to next AI... 18:31:38 <suseROCKs> prusnak, Bug #670590 18:31:41 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 670590 in openSUSE.org (Board) "user search for bugzilla" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/670590 18:32:00 <mrdocs> FYI, i do have a skeleton for the presentation 18:32:13 <prusnak> no change 18:32:27 <suseROCKs> prusnak, still blocked? 18:32:42 <prusnak> nobody gives a s**t apparently 18:32:50 <mrdocs> and if so why/where ? 18:33:10 <suseROCKs> prusnak, so keep it open or WONTFIX it? 18:33:16 <prusnak> it's tracked in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=682324 but it is not public 18:33:37 <prusnak> last comment was at the beginning of may 18:33:55 <prusnak> not really interesting 18:34:08 <prusnak> i will close the public one and keep bugging in private one 18:34:13 <henne> well lets keep thi open 18:34:33 <suseROCKs> well to be fair to whomever, that is right around the time of the merger. I would suppose that people have new priorities to juggle and we kind of have to wait out this flux period. Would that be a safe assumption? 18:34:35 <henne> it doesn't cost us anything... 18:35:01 <henne> suseROCKs: we're just not very high priority 18:35:22 <cboltz> suseROCKs: then the merger period must have started _very early_ for the bugzilla team (some years ago?) *g,d&r* 18:35:24 <prusnak> BP: 200 to be exact 18:35:25 <henne> we make up a very small percentage of bugzilla users... 18:35:30 <prusnak> :) 18:35:31 <suseROCKs> Maybe if I put on a dress and sang Geeko songs, we'd get more attention and priority.... 18:35:39 <prusnak> please move 18:35:44 <prusnak> we can't change this one 18:36:01 <suseROCKs> ok we're done with action items so next topic 18:36:17 <suseROCKs> #topic welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: Team Status Reports 18:36:38 <suseROCKs> We have 15 minutes on this topic, and if anyone wishes to report the status of awesome things within our Project... SPEAK UP! 18:37:16 <mrdocs> vuntz: tigerfoot news on the desktop teams ? 18:38:07 <suseROCKs> ok I'm giving this topic one more minute and then moving on.... 18:39:04 <mrdocs> i know kde 4.6.4 went out and KDE 4.7 is coming soon to Factory 18:39:12 <mrdocs> M2 next week IIRC 18:39:33 <suseROCKs> Anything else? 18:39:42 <suseROCKs> Going once... 18:39:44 <suseROCKs> Going Twice... 18:39:48 <suseROCKs> Sold! 18:39:51 <suseROCKs> #topic Welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: openSUSE Strategy 18:40:07 <suseROCKs> I don't know Thomas Thym's IRC nick. Is he present? 18:41:07 <AlanClark> doesn't look like it. 18:41:09 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, Are you present? 18:41:32 <suseROCKs> One thing i keep forgetting to mention and now that I see this topic, I'm going to mention it... 18:41:48 <suseROCKs> Shouldn't we have sent out an email to all openSUSE Members informing them of the vote? 18:42:01 <suseROCKs> like we do when we have elections? 18:42:16 <mrdocs> +1 and did we not have a bug/wishlist item to be able to mail all members ? 18:42:31 <tigerfoot> suseROCKs: would be a nice idea, cause people can forget they have to vote before the 30 June 18:43:06 <suseROCKs> yes we actually forgot to send out an email in last election until I reminded someone (can't remember who) to do the mail blast to all members 18:43:21 <jospoortvliet> yes 18:43:22 <jospoortvliet> I am 18:43:24 <suseROCKs> question is... who has the powerz to do such a blast? I'm not sure of the mechanism imvolved here 18:43:31 <mrdocs> same 18:43:33 <mrdocs> brb 18:43:51 <AlanClark> Thomas sent at least one to project. 18:44:03 <suseROCKs> AlanClark, yeah but that doesn't ensure all members are reached. 18:44:16 <jospoortvliet> I don't know how to do it, if anyone does - I do think it's a good move. 18:44:28 <suseROCKs> prusnak, does connect provide that mechanism? 18:44:30 <jospoortvliet> 2 weeks until the deadline :D 18:44:54 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, any idea of the number of votes submitted so far? (not what the votes were but number of votes) 18:44:58 <prusnak> no it doesn't 18:45:02 <prusnak> connect is not a spambot 18:45:12 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: about 70 18:45:29 <henne> connect can show you all the members and their email adresses 18:45:31 <suseROCKs> 70... clearly we are not reaching out to our membership. We have ~500 members now, right? 18:45:47 <jospoortvliet> yup 18:45:50 <mrdocs> henne: in a mass mailing format ? 18:46:07 <suseROCKs> henne, how did we do it beefore when we sent out notices to members for elections? 18:47:03 <prusnak> -announce and -project should be enough 18:47:13 <suseROCKs> prusnak, 70 indicates it isn't 18:47:18 <suseROCKs> not all members follow mailing lists 18:47:26 <prusnak> if member is not following one of this, he/she probably is not going to vote when you send him an email 18:47:38 * oldcpu notes it was announced also on the forums (but not all follow the forums either) 18:47:41 <suseROCKs> I disagree with that reasoning 18:47:43 <prusnak> what i am trying to say is that we have 70 active members 18:48:04 <prusnak> and email blasting won't change that i guess 18:48:16 <suseROCKs> prusnak, and what I'm trying to say is we have 500 members and we should have a mechanism to directly reach them for membership-related events 18:48:33 <mrdocs> +1 18:48:35 <izabelvalverde> prusnak I´m one of them cause I already voted 18:48:38 <tigerfoot> prusnak: no a bit more, but reading mail, then strategy then voting can be disturbed at anytimes ... and then forget 18:48:48 <henne> mrdocs: what is mass mailing format? 18:49:00 <suseROCKs> well here's my feeling then... if we only get 70 votes. then strategy fails even if 70 vote 100% for it. We need to ensure as many votes as possible to show strong project-wide support for the strategy or it won't move forward 18:50:09 <henne> i can show you how to extract the names/mail addresses from connect 18:50:21 <prusnak> i can give you the plaintext with all addresses of members 18:50:33 <mrdocs> henne: so we can compose a mail > push button > send to all members 18:50:33 <prusnak> there is a button for that i implemented some time ago 18:50:52 <prusnak> i am just hesitant to use it for spamming members 18:50:52 <henne> mrdocs: yes you can :) 18:50:53 <suseROCKs> that's fine if we have to do that, but I'm curious still how we did it before. 18:50:58 <mrdocs> where is the magic button then ? :) 18:51:04 <prusnak> because i don't think that's the way to go 18:51:09 <prusnak> but i might be wrong 18:51:31 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, would you be willing to take on the action item (or pass it along to Thomas) to create a membership-direct mail reminder about voting? 18:51:32 <mrdocs> prusnak: sorry politely disagree... if im a member and hear nothing ever.. maybe no one cares about me ? 18:51:36 <prusnak> (i participated in all fedora board elections although I received NO email about that) 18:51:36 <henne> i think we can bother them with mails about votes 18:51:43 <henne> thats what membership is about 18:51:53 <henne> we did so for the board election 18:51:59 <AlanClark> I agree that pushing that button should be a very rare event. - votes are a case where all members need to be informed. 18:52:00 <henne> afaik nobody complained 18:52:16 <suseROCKs> +1 henne 18:52:19 <mrdocs> AlanClark: yes for important things only... not fluff 18:52:25 <jospoortvliet> fwiw I agree we can and should bother them with this... 18:52:33 <prusnak> okay 18:52:36 <mrdocs> so i propose we do this.. 18:52:54 <prusnak> please give me the AI, i'll sent an email to board how to press the magic button 18:53:01 <mrdocs> do we need a motion ? 18:53:21 <suseROCKs> prusnak, ai to you for extraction and ai to jospoortvliet for sending? 18:53:26 <jospoortvliet> +1 18:53:37 <prusnak> i'll send a link where you can download all addresses 18:53:53 <prusnak> someone else ( jospoortvliet ) has to send it 18:53:59 <suseROCKs> #action prusnak to send link to board + jospoortvliet for downloadign membership mailing addresses 18:54:25 <suseROCKs> #action jospoortvliet to write or ask Thomas to write an email reminder to openSUSE Members to vote on the Strategy Proposal 18:54:40 <suseROCKs> I suppose these action items also have to be created as bugs? 18:54:46 <henne> yes 18:55:01 * henne presses cboltzs button 18:55:07 * suseROCKs hopes he can find the names again to assign :-) 18:55:25 * cboltz calls rcAIbot start 18:55:25 <suseROCKs> ok so aside from nagging the world, is there anything else we need to discuss on this topic? 18:55:41 <AlanClark> no - let's go to the next topic 18:55:42 <mrdocs> not at the moment 18:56:12 <suseROCKs> #topic Welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: openSUSE Facebook Group 18:56:25 <suseROCKs> There's lots of problems with Facebook right now, but I'm curious who added this topic 18:56:33 <AlanClark> I did 18:56:36 <suseROCKs> oh Chuck 18:56:40 <suseROCKs> and Alan :-) 18:56:50 <AlanClark> I wanted Chuck to give us an update on the 300 posts 18:56:59 <suseROCKs> he's not here 18:57:17 <AlanClark> If Chuck is not here, let's move to the next topic 18:57:17 <henne> 300 18:57:20 <henne> cool number 18:57:21 <suseROCKs> and frankly I haven't seen any text anywhere that says If you post 300 posts, Facebook will not force you to migrate to Page and will keep Group open 18:57:35 <AlanClark> that's what Chuck reported 18:57:48 <suseROCKs> Everything Facebook tells me iss that if you're that large then you must shut down your group and go to Page 18:57:51 <prusnak> i think that's going to change anyway 18:58:01 <AlanClark> let's not argue that here 18:58:07 <AlanClark> with Chuck not present 18:58:08 <suseROCKs> so this "workaround" seems to be a contradiction to Facebook's stance. But I dunno.... 18:58:19 <suseROCKs> ok next topic then 18:58:29 <AlanClark> next topic 18:58:40 <suseROCKs> #topic Welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting { Topic: openSUSE Foundation 18:58:56 <suseROCKs> AlanClark, Is this your topic? 18:59:17 <AlanClark> I'll start it off 19:00:05 <AlanClark> I am currently working with the new SUSE Executive Leadership and with the Attachmate legal team to get the funding and legal assistance we need to move forward with creating the Foundation 19:00:36 <AlanClark> This will take me a bit more time to get in place - essentially re-educating new 19:01:14 <AlanClark> The goal continues to be to have the Foundation in place such that we can hold a "members" meeting at the openSUSE conference 19:01:19 * cboltz rcAIbot status output: Bug 700166 Submitted, Bug 700167 Submitted 19:01:25 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 700166 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] send members mail address list to board + Jos" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/700166 19:01:27 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 700167 in openSUSE.org (Action Items) "[AI] send reminder to Members to vote on the Strategy Proposal" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/700167 19:02:04 <mrdocs> brb 19:02:08 <AlanClark> I will update everyone once I have approval from the Execs and Legal teams to move forward 19:02:12 <suseROCKs> There's an AI Bot? 19:02:23 <henne> AlanClark: hm @ re-educating 19:02:40 <prusnak> AlanClark: is there a way how we can help in this process? 19:03:35 <AlanClark> prusnak: not yet but soon 19:03:55 <jospoortvliet> prusnak: if you talk to senior managers about openSUSE, stress the importance of the Foundation, I guess... 19:04:11 * cboltz sees the AI Bot in the mirror daily 19:04:40 <suseROCKs> ok so is there anything we can/should talk about directly today on the topic of Foundation? 19:04:44 <prusnak> can we have some kind of roadmap which we can check and to see if we're on track or not at all? 19:04:58 <AlanClark> Talking with suseROCKS this morning, made me realize that we need to start to talk about $$ we will need to run the project next year. 19:05:31 <suseROCKs> yes that thing that grows on trees :-) 19:05:35 <mrdocs> yes 19:06:10 <henne> $0 19:06:20 <prusnak> are you sure that foundation is about the money? 19:06:23 <henne> everything we gain is good 19:06:24 <AlanClark> $0 makes it easy and hard 19:06:54 <suseROCKs> henne, sure But explaining why and how we intend to use money can lead to bigger gains :-) 19:06:58 <AlanClark> The money question -is about funding our Ambassadors travel, funding events like the conference, etc 19:07:03 <henne> maybe you should define what "run the project" means 19:07:45 <suseROCKs> henne, that's a very broad question and really subject to each area coming up with a dollar-figure justifying why they need what they need to do day-to-day activities 19:08:16 <suseROCKs> for example, funding for more hackfests 19:08:31 <henne> well if you want a sum you need to itemize :) 19:08:41 <suseROCKs> henne, precisely 19:08:53 <suseROCKs> and that's why AlanClark is saying we need to start thinkiga bout this stuff 19:09:06 <suseROCKs> I've been thinking about it for marketing, but I certainly can't speak to other areas of the project 19:09:35 <suseROCKs> but together as a board, we have a pretty decent global view of the Project and can identify all areas that need funds for speciic things and then prioritize them 19:09:46 <mrdocs> yup 19:09:55 <mrdocs> we just need reasonable estimates in costs 19:09:57 <prusnak> i would love to see foundation as a framework and inspiration to do cool stuff and have fun 19:10:08 <prusnak> it's not all about just costs and funds 19:10:18 <jospoortvliet> agreed 19:10:19 <suseROCKs> prusnak, isn't a hackfest fun? 19:10:24 <jospoortvliet> however on the monies thing 19:10:38 <prusnak> because i'm starting to have a feeling we are trying to start a new company, not a foundation 19:10:46 <jospoortvliet> aah never mind 19:10:47 <jospoortvliet> sorry 19:10:57 <henne> jospoortvliet: your budget should be a nice starting point right? 19:11:00 <clint-> hey alll, I'm doing a techsmith camtasia screencast presenatation on showing users.. to download openSUSE and experience it.. and where they can find help at for example xchat, and on freenode network, and the channels openSUSE conducts.. 19:11:04 <jospoortvliet> henne: yes absolutelyu 19:11:05 <clint-> the community.. we :) 19:11:13 <henne> so there you go 19:11:20 <clint-> it will be a nice slick video, I will probalby format it in diff formats.. mobile and youtube and HD 19:11:21 <mrdocs> clint-: ^^ %topic meeting going on 19:11:24 <jospoortvliet> and I want to give some control of that budget to the community 19:11:27 <clint-> this T420 is handling anything I throw at it 19:11:34 <jospoortvliet> you'll hear from me about that :D 19:11:34 <clint-> ;-) 19:11:43 <clint-> hello all 19:11:48 <henne> jospoortvliet sends his budget spreadsheet to opensuse-foundation@o.o and we discuss it 19:11:48 <clint-> ;-) 19:11:58 <clint-> mrdocs, I'm so dam excited :D 19:12:08 <clint-> I hope you all don't mind being on youtube/ vimeo :) 19:12:16 <henne> jospoortvliet: or is there you bahamas trip in there? 19:12:20 <suseROCKs> prusnak, the Foundation is about giving the openSUSE Community the ability to empower itself to control its direction. Right now any and all funds are decided at the discretion of Company employees. 19:12:22 <jospoortvliet> henne: that's a bit enthusiastic but I do have a proposal there which I'll put forward soon 19:12:32 <clint-> viewers will be able to see what I show them, from channels to seak support in, and overall discussion.. and topics yes 19:12:42 <suseROCKs> And while jospoortvliet is doing an awesome job getting funds out to the community, it would be nice if the community itself was able to manage and determine the priorities for those funds 19:12:42 <clint-> <(") 19:12:43 <AlanClark> the point is not to discuss the $$ thing here, rather to raise the point that it needs to be worked on. We will work on this over the next couple weeks on the Foundation mailing list. 19:12:50 <henne> clint-: we're in the middle of a meeting. please 19:12:55 <clint-> oh I see 19:13:00 <clint-> sorry for the disturbance :) 19:13:17 <suseROCKs> clint-, I suggest you send that to the Marketing Mailing list and we'll help you push it forward. 19:13:19 <henne> thats an action item for jospoortvliet then :) 19:13:21 * clint- will announce the video on youtue.. when he's finish cutting it.. 19:13:46 <clint-> suseROCKs, not a problem as well ;-) 19:13:57 <clint-> I have to push the USA :D. 19:14:08 <suseROCKs> ok so on the topic of Foundation 19:14:14 <suseROCKs> How do we define this into an action item? 19:14:27 * clint- gets back to his fun, exciting progressive projects ;-) 19:14:44 <AlanClark> So there are 2 items of work right now. Alan working with Legal and Alan to initiate discussion of funding 19:14:46 * tigerfoot rm -fr clint- 19:14:56 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: in the end, I don't decide. I have to discuss this with my new boss. I have a meeting with him in about 10 days and will talk to him about this. 19:15:05 <AlanClark> Once I have Legal on board, we can then create a roadmap 19:15:16 <adrianS> jospoortvliet: who is your new boss ? 19:15:21 <jospoortvliet> Michael Miller 19:15:24 <jospoortvliet> temporarily :D 19:15:28 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, in the end, its the same :-) Not community deciding. 19:15:52 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: well it is his money. Once he has OK'ed the plan you put forward (yes, that's what I'm talking about) I'll let you all know. 19:16:06 <suseROCKs> :-) 19:16:31 <AlanClark> shall we go to the next topic? 19:16:56 <mrdocs> AlanClark: can you update the board when you have more info/status ? 19:17:08 <mrdocs> i understand you are waiting on others... 19:17:10 <henne> so Michael Miller okays the budget of the foundation? 19:17:12 <henne> erm.... 19:17:30 <AlanClark> mrdocs: yes - let's leave this on the agenda for the next meeting 19:17:32 <jospoortvliet> henne: the budget (my part of it) is OK'ed 19:17:35 <suseROCKs> AlanClark, ok can you word that properly and do #action ? You're a chair, you can do it 19:17:56 <henne> jospoortvliet: i don't understand 19:18:29 <jospoortvliet> henne: the conference budget isn't decided by anyone other than the conference team 19:18:39 <jospoortvliet> SUSE sponsors 50K and that has been decided already 19:18:46 <henne> conference budget? 19:18:59 <jospoortvliet> oh now I'm mixing up things 19:19:00 <jospoortvliet> sorry 19:19:02 <jospoortvliet> hehe 19:19:17 <henne> THC no god for you maaan 19:19:23 <jospoortvliet> the foundation is a different matter and that's what Alan is working on, sorry for the confusion :D 19:19:30 <jospoortvliet> hahaha 19:19:41 <AlanClark> #action: AlanClark will work with SUSE Executive Leadership and Attachmate Legal team for legal assitance and funding needed to move forward with the creation of a Foundation 19:19:53 <suseROCKs> i thought THC was a goddess 19:20:10 <clint-> tigerfoot, , why don't you try a shred -n 7 u x z on me :D 19:20:33 <henne> okay so what about that announcement of the process? 19:20:36 * clint- goes back to business.. 19:20:39 <henne> is that blocked by this AI? 19:20:41 <AlanClark> #action AlanClark will begin discussions on $$ on the Foundation mailing list 19:21:04 <henne> AlanClark: we need to tell people about that list first... 19:21:57 <henne> especially members 19:22:10 <henne> maybe we can combine this with the call to vote for the strategy? 19:22:38 <tigerfoot> henne: just stick on one subject, call for vote 19:22:47 <tigerfoot> then another one with money, 19:22:57 <henne> money? you'd wish 19:23:08 <tigerfoot> except if voting people earn money :D 19:23:33 <henne> this is about telling $world and $member about what we are trying to do 19:23:36 <henne> nobody knows 19:23:48 <henne> or rather everybody knows only half 19:24:25 <henne> heck even I only know half by now 19:25:20 <suseROCKs> what we really need, more than just talking about it on Foundation list is to contact team leads and get them to state what they want/need and why 19:25:32 <henne> team leads? 19:25:40 <henne> dude... 19:25:42 <suseROCKs> or teams I mean 19:25:45 <jospoortvliet> henne: I guess he means the teams, like marketing etc 19:25:58 <jospoortvliet> marketing has clear money needs, for ambassador travel 19:26:00 <prusnak> you'll end up with thousands of requests which we'll be unable to satisfy 19:26:00 <henne> state what they want about what? 19:26:10 <henne> money? 19:26:10 <jospoortvliet> other teams might want to have meetings etc which cost money 19:26:21 <prusnak> i think money should not be the first to discuss 19:26:36 <prusnak> but what to do and why 19:26:41 <henne> we need to discuss all of this 19:26:48 <henne> but we need people to discuss this right? 19:26:58 <suseROCKs> yes henne 19:26:59 <henne> so we need people interested in creating this foundation 19:27:22 <henne> so we need to tell people about it and invite them to the list :) 19:27:28 <mrdocs> henne: there are, i think this has been hung up by the merger etc.. 19:27:44 <henne> there are 47 people on the foundation list 19:27:53 <henne> we have more then 500 members 19:27:56 <mrdocs> ok not enough IMO 19:27:58 <suseROCKs> let's give AlanClark a chance to order all this into a sane process that is clear to everyone 19:28:07 <mrdocs> exactly 19:28:16 <suseROCKs> instead of just throwing everything but the kitchen sink at the list and waiting for answers which will be very disorganized 19:29:06 <suseROCKs> he said he's going to be working on this over the next few weeks. That's not an unreasonable time frame to get this all on track 19:29:47 <henne> so AlanClark does everything regarding the foundation? 19:29:58 <suseROCKs> no that's not what I said 19:30:00 <henne> AlanClark: i'm sure that is not in your interest ;) 19:30:29 <suseROCKs> his interest is in ordering what needs to be done so we can present it in a clear fashion so we get the right answers in the appropriate context from the community 19:30:47 <suseROCKs> he *does* have experience in Foundations, let's not forget that and give him credit for his abilities to help get this on track. 19:31:43 * mrdocs nods 19:31:51 <henne> okay. I'll give up 19:32:05 <henne> please continue 19:32:18 <suseROCKs> ok I think there's nothing else we can cover on this topic today so we shall move on 19:32:36 <suseROCKs> #topic Welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting } Topic: openSUSE Conference 19:32:55 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, Would you like to start off this topic? 19:33:11 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: well I only know about the CfP and the sponsorship 19:33:15 <jospoortvliet> but I can fill you all in on that 19:33:25 <jospoortvliet> we've finished the sponsorship brochure and a few sponsors have been contacted 19:33:27 <jospoortvliet> no commitments yet 19:33:28 <suseROCKs> go for it and we'll fill in on any other details 19:33:44 <jospoortvliet> and yes, we need to step that up. A recent idea is to contact our mirror network and SUSE/Novell partners 19:33:53 <jospoortvliet> for them a cheaper sponsorship option is needed 19:34:03 <jospoortvliet> and we'll probably create a $500 'supporter' option 19:34:26 <jospoortvliet> I'll send a proposal to the team within a day and have already asked the openSUSE admins for a list of our mirror contacts 19:34:38 <jospoortvliet> AlanClark has offered to work on the partner side 19:34:42 <jospoortvliet> That's about monies 19:34:49 <jospoortvliet> then the CfP 19:34:53 <jospoortvliet> we have about 10 proposals 19:34:55 <jospoortvliet> that's not enough :D 19:35:09 <jospoortvliet> We concluded that we might not be clear enough when it comes to requirements for the sessions 19:35:22 <jospoortvliet> which is why I wrote the article about BoF's on news.o.o 19:35:33 <jospoortvliet> I believe I forgot to send a mail to -project and -factory about that so I will do so later today 19:35:35 <suseROCKs> and I'll be writing the Workshop article shortly 19:35:40 <jospoortvliet> yup 19:35:52 <jospoortvliet> and I'm trying to find someone to write about a hack session 19:35:55 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, I think what we need to do on CFP team is to start specificying more WX sessions we want. 19:36:06 <jospoortvliet> and we'll keep pinging ppl on this 19:36:11 <suseROCKs> We can definitely do that easily and come up with a good list of those types of events and then find the right people to lead them 19:36:19 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: you mean defining specific sessions and approaching people? 19:36:26 <suseROCKs> yes 19:36:30 <jospoortvliet> hmm yes, it is a posibility 19:36:33 * mrdocs needs to make his CfP 19:36:41 <jospoortvliet> we might even ask on project and see what people want... 19:36:56 <suseROCKs> yes anything we can do to keep the conversation going 19:36:57 <jospoortvliet> asking for ideas at the very least should hopefully not lead to a flamewar :D 19:37:12 <jospoortvliet> give me an AI to ask -project and to mail -project about the BoF sessions then :D 19:37:17 <suseROCKs> sometimes people have a tendency to think "oh someone else is taking care of it" and we need to remind people we (as in all of you on the list) are "taking care of it" 19:37:43 <mrdocs> #action jospoortvliet to mail -factory and -project about conference talks 19:37:45 <suseROCKs> #action jospoortvliet to ask Project mailing list about BoF, Workshops and other session ideas 19:37:58 <suseROCKs> errmm :-) 19:38:02 <jospoortvliet> lol I do have to send to mails but ehrm :D 19:38:15 <mrdocs> jospoortvliet: we will keep you busy :) 19:38:26 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, the nice thing is now you can say you have two action items, making you look more important, when in reality they're both the same 19:38:35 <jospoortvliet> hehehe 19:38:58 <suseROCKs> ok on the topic of Conferennce, what's being done regarding logistics? 19:39:02 <suseROCKs> henne, Do you have information on this? 19:39:27 <cboltz> jospoortvliet: do you need a bugzilla entry for the AI(s)? 19:39:55 <suseROCKs> cboltz, yes. Under Project please 19:40:13 <henne> suseROCKs: i'm trying to stay away from the conference 19:40:35 <suseROCKs> henne, so we won't see you in Sept? :-) 19:40:54 <henne> participating i will :) 19:40:54 <suseROCKs> ok so who is the "de facto" person for logistics? is it AJ? 19:41:18 <jospoortvliet> cboltz: no 19:41:20 <jospoortvliet> don't bother 19:41:20 <henne> aj, olli, klaas 19:41:22 <jospoortvliet> I will do it right now 19:41:28 <jospoortvliet> it's just overhead 19:41:33 <henne> afair 19:41:46 <suseROCKs> olli is a new name to me 19:42:09 * suseROCKs shouts olly olly oxenfree! 19:42:13 <cboltz> jospoortvliet: I give you two hours - otherwise I'll submit the (already typed) bugreport *g* 19:42:18 <henne> he's a facility guy in nürnberg with a lot of connections 19:42:39 <mrdocs> awesome 19:42:47 <suseROCKs> henne, ok I'll follow up with that on the conf mailing list. No need to hash it out here 19:43:25 * suseROCKs notes hmm... we have a total lunar eclipse today 19:43:36 <jospoortvliet> cboltz: 2 hours is plenty, I'll have written the mails in 1. I will however send out only one today, the other in 2 days time to keep it spread out. 19:44:16 <suseROCKs> ok so I think we've covered the gamut of conference stuff for today's topic. Anyone agree/disagree? 19:45:24 <suseROCKs> I'm guessing no objections now to moving to next topic 19:45:43 <henne> please 19:45:45 <suseROCKs> #topic Welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: Where do we need to improve? 19:46:05 <suseROCKs> and now we're on henne's favorite topic. 19:46:11 <suseROCKs> Let 'er rip, folks! 19:46:43 * prusnak needs to go, otherwise i'll be locked in the office building :) see you 19:47:11 <suseROCKs> ok I have a topic that yaloki actually brought up on admin@ 19:47:43 <suseROCKs> How do we "spread the wealth" to provide greater response times after hours and on weekends to such things as outages? 19:48:36 <mrdocs> yes a good subject and in some cases, we are limited to only suse.de people being able to handle them 19:48:58 <suseROCKs> is there any way we can designate people outside of suse.de to help out? 19:48:59 <mrdocs> henne: any thoughts on how certain qualified members could be able to help ? 19:49:55 <suseROCKs> i point out an example (which isn't part of infrastructure itself). Having added me to the moderator list for -announce@ emails has made those announcements go out much more timely and faster than if we waited to next business day 19:50:26 <suseROCKs> if we could do that same concept for some of our infrastructure (e.g. build.o.o) this would help provide better 24/7 uptime for us 19:50:49 <henne> yaloki is talking about the downtime of the build service 19:51:09 <suseROCKs> henne, yes but it points to a bigger underlying problem which is.... coverage. 19:51:17 <henne> even adrian had problems doing something about it 19:51:41 <henne> so I don't think its possible no 19:51:54 <suseROCKs> because of policies? 19:52:05 <henne> yes stuff like that 19:52:09 <henne> like with any other hoster 19:52:28 <henne> they won't give you the key to their server room 19:52:30 <suseROCKs> well can we visit those policies to see if there's any flexibility or willingness to consider some options? 19:52:59 <suseROCKs> understood. but it also harms the community if we're relegated largely to NUE business hours. 19:53:22 <henne> well this has nothing to do with community or not 19:53:35 <mrdocs> and thank god Adrian and darix are both interested and make an effort to be avaialble 19:53:45 <suseROCKs> +1 mrdocs 19:53:50 <mrdocs> but they are single points of failure 19:53:55 <suseROCKs> but those guys deserve to have a life too :-) 19:54:01 <henne> it's about a certain service level for the stuff 19:54:01 <mrdocs> exactly 19:54:16 <henne> and we can certainly not complain about that I think 19:54:32 <suseROCKs> henne, service level. Exactly 19:54:37 <suseROCKs> henne, why not? 19:54:47 <henne> because I think its awesome :) 19:55:09 <henne> we have passionate people who care about this stuff 19:55:09 <mrdocs> henne: no.. we're not complaining, what we are saying is there very well might be capable interested people in the community to help make it better 19:55:15 <suseROCKs> henne, you're not here on weekends when we see people bitching on a Friday night they can't do the work they wanted to do until Monday :-) 19:55:39 <henne> i very well understand the problem 19:55:50 <mrdocs> henne: no i agree the service level is awesome... 19:55:52 <suseROCKs> and growing the community and recruiting new contributors only to find they can't do work the first time they try is kind of umm... embarassing 19:56:01 <henne> i'm not a sack of sand you know ;) 19:56:19 <mrdocs> hehe henne we could never accuse you of that :) 19:56:53 <henne> what I'm trying to say is this: 19:57:04 <suseROCKs> henne, Not accusing you of not getting it. But I am saying it seems like you're saying there's no room for discussion nor for whom to discuss this with 19:57:14 <henne> we have this awesome deal with SUSE that we can host our shit there 19:57:29 <henne> they pay people to take care of our shit 19:57:42 <henne> and those people also do it with passion 19:57:47 <henne> even on the weekends 19:57:57 <mrdocs> i agree there 19:58:10 <suseROCKs> sure, but why can't people who aren't paid but also have awesome passion help out? 19:58:20 <henne> and this hoster says some stuff is off limits 19:58:26 <henne> isnt that something we can live with? 19:58:54 <henne> suseROCKs: because you have to think about network security and everything 19:58:58 <suseROCKs> henne, you tell me.. We want to increase our community and sometimes our community cannot work for days on end. 19:59:23 <suseROCKs> henne, I am thinking about all that... but I don't think there isn't room to budge either. 19:59:48 <suseROCKs> e.g. put openSUSE infrastructure on dedicated machines (vm or otherwise) where it won't affect the security of other services 20:00:00 <henne> they _are_ in dedicated machines 20:00:07 <suseROCKs> all I'm asking here is that we try to look at the problem and see if there's some golden egg somewhere 20:00:15 <henne> its not that simple :) 20:00:18 <henne> look 20:00:27 <henne> you have to buy a powerswitch for 50.000 euros 20:00:36 <henne> then you have logins to this 20:00:44 <henne> network security 20:00:49 <henne> yadda yadda yaddaa 20:00:58 <suseROCKs> I understand all that. I'm not a sack of sand you know? :-) 20:00:59 <henne> its not always as simple as you think :) 20:01:18 <suseROCKs> All I'm saying is can we discuss and look at it that's all 20:01:31 <henne> hehe 20:01:33 <henne> we're doing this right now arent we? 20:01:38 <suseROCKs> not really 20:01:45 <suseROCKs> you're basically saying there's no room for discussion 20:02:31 <henne> yes. in this specific case there isn't 20:02:44 <suseROCKs> henne, let's at least discuss or identify areas where it is "safe" 20:02:53 <henne> we already have 20:02:58 <suseROCKs> for example, no one thought to include a community member to moderate the -announce list. Until I brought it up 20:03:06 <henne> and we're its safe there are no problems with it 20:03:35 <suseROCKs> I meant "safe" as in safe to include community members. Not safe as in security 20:03:35 <henne> suseROCKs: heh. no community member cared you mean.... 20:04:07 <henne> suseROCKs: there were external people in the moderators file before you even existed ;) 20:04:21 <henne> suseROCKs: yes exactly 20:04:23 <suseROCKs> that's bull henne. Sometimes people don't know they care until they're asked to care about a specific task. People rise up to the ocassion very well when givein a very specific task 20:04:47 <suseROCKs> I existed in 1968 :-P 20:05:15 <suseROCKs> Fortunately I didn't exist as long as that old fart, mrdocs :-) 20:05:18 <henne> really. we have so many hosts, services and everything that are maintained by community members 20:05:59 <suseROCKs> Are you talking about external stuff or direct infrastructure stuff? 20:06:11 <suseROCKs> If the latter, can you list? Just for my curiousity 20:07:14 <henne> i can't. i don't have access to community.opensuse.org 20:07:23 <henne> but there is a lot of services on that machine for instance 20:07:28 <suseROCKs> if not, I think we've beaten this topic to a pulp and we should move on to last topic 20:07:45 <henne> there are also other hosts 20:08:07 <henne> and often we "only" talk about deployment 20:08:29 <suseROCKs> henne, I still disagree with some of what you just said in the last few lines. But we can agree to disagree :-) And just move on 20:09:03 <henne> you know? all the stuff is in a SCM and we just need to ping someone for deployment 20:09:19 <henne> like with the wiki, news, lizards, etc. etc. 20:09:33 <henne> http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/opensuse/trunk/infrastructure/ 20:09:45 <suseROCKs> ok 20:10:21 <suseROCKs> but we're not going to move further on this discussion today so let's just move on to next topic 20:10:27 <suseROCKs> at least you can agree with me on that one :-) 20:11:01 <tigerfoot> Q/A now ? 20:11:09 <mrdocs> 1 min 20:11:10 <suseROCKs> #topic Welcome to openSUSE Project + Board Meeting | Topic: Q&A 20:11:32 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, yes, Final topic and we will close if no one has any questions. But I'm sure you have a million ;-) 20:11:41 <mrdocs> go ahead please 20:11:49 <tigerfoot> I've one and it's a bit related to previous about infra 20:12:00 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, You have the floor 20:12:22 <tigerfoot> I just seeing that more and more mirror are dropping openSUSE_Factory and home: 20:12:53 <mrdocs> tigerfoot: i suspect the issue is disk/bandwidth 20:13:00 <tigerfoot> It seems this kind of things can be "domagable" to our project 20:13:08 <mrdocs> home: is a monster 20:13:14 <suseROCKs> "domagable"? 20:13:20 <suseROCKs> damaging? 20:13:21 <mrdocs> damaging 20:13:25 <tigerfoot> mrdocs: they are synchronising Ubuntu 11.10 even multiverse :-( 20:13:38 <tigerfoot> mrdocs: suseROCKs thx tranlators ... 20:13:45 <mrdocs> tigerfoot: can you list specific ones ? 20:13:54 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, how severe is this problem? 20:14:22 <tigerfoot> can we add just an AI to watch and keep and eyes to have openSUSE especially openSUSE_Factory well spread around the world. 20:14:40 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, who gets that AI and how do you watch for it? 20:14:48 <suseROCKs> And more importantly, how do you react to it after something comes up? 20:15:32 <henne> tigerfoot: this is something for opensuse-factory I think 20:15:35 <tigerfoot> my ai proposal, is to find the right people (admin@o.o) able to talk with the right people on mirrors, and just get feedback and report here 20:15:39 <suseROCKs> Its a very good topic of concern, just... we need a way to address it rather than just watch the fly float around the room 20:15:53 <henne> tigerfoot: admin@o.o. people are coolo and darix 20:16:08 <suseROCKs> henne, I thought Lars handles mirrors? 20:16:24 <tigerfoot> henne, just them ? also perharps adrianS for the obs synchro things ? 20:16:27 <henne> when darix has no time :) 20:16:39 <tigerfoot> henne: but none of them as time. 20:16:42 <henne> tigerfoot: just admin@o.o or opensuse-factory is fine 20:16:53 <suseROCKs> so perhaps tigerfoot can volutneer to assist them in monitoring and contacting mirror admins? 20:17:02 <henne> sure. talk to them 20:17:08 <henne> they know all the details 20:17:15 * tigerfoot ask my third clone if he can do that ? 20:17:30 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, at the very least... here's my suggestion..... 20:17:36 <suseROCKs> 1. Talk to them. Find out what's involved 20:17:44 <tigerfoot> I've already send emails to supposed hostmaster, with just no answer ... 20:17:45 <suseROCKs> 2. Decide if you want to help out or not 20:18:06 <suseROCKs> 3. If you don't, summarize what you learned and post it somewhere inviting someone to volunteer to be this liaison person to the mirror community 20:18:25 * tigerfoot will send a mail, request for feedback on -factory 20:18:45 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, do you get the hostmaster info from the official list with openSUSE or somewhere else? 20:19:00 <henne> tigerfoot: please be specific :) with the mirror that dropped 20:19:28 <tigerfoot> suseROCKs: normal domain or hosts have to have a hostmaster@that-fucking-host.whatever 20:19:48 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, ok so it may not be the same contact addy as what Lars/Darix stores 20:20:03 <mrdocs> mirroradmin@ ? 20:20:07 <henne> tigerfoot: we usually have way more specific info 20:20:21 <tigerfoot> henne: halifax ftp://ftp.halifax.rwth-aachen.de/opensuse/repositories/openSUSE:/Tools/ 20:20:39 <suseROCKs> so that's a gap we can close. Getting the info specific to tigerfoot so he can contact directly and properly 20:20:59 <tigerfoot> no more openSUSE_Factory, and more everything that has factory KDF for example disappear weeks ago 20:21:09 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, .de is the key. You can't depend on those Germans! :-) 20:21:47 <suseROCKs> ok so tigerfoot you want to see this through and investigate how to improve the process? (Say yes or no) 20:22:27 <henne> tigerfoot: thats carstens :) 20:22:28 <tigerfoot> suseROCKs: don't underestimated this kind of thing. otherwise in November, we just finish with a big crash ... 20:22:54 <tigerfoot> henne: can you ask him friendly why that happen? 20:22:55 <henne> tigerfoot: but send that mail. all the info exists... 20:23:02 <suseROCKs> tigerfoot, I don't underestimate it at all. I totally agree with you this is a problem and it should be given attention. But someone has to volunteer to do it. :-) 20:24:04 <tigerfoot> suseROCKs: ok ended for that 20:24:09 <tigerfoot> Next :-) 20:24:56 <suseROCKs> heh he avoided yes or no :-) 20:25:07 <tigerfoot> in fact nope, next time. 20:25:12 <suseROCKs> ok if no one else has Q&A I will close today's meeting with grateful appreciation to all involved 20:25:30 <suseROCKs> Going once... 20:25:32 <suseROCKs> Going twice... 20:25:34 <suseROCKs> SOLD! 20:25:40 <suseROCKs> #endmeeting