10:52:10 #startmeeting 10:52:10 Meeting started Mon Dec 13 10:52:10 2010 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:52:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:52:15 Wunderbar! 10:52:57 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team | Marketing Review Collaboration Day http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing 10:53:29 And now we are on our way... Good morning folks and welcome to our second iteration of December's Collaboration Days for the Marketing team 10:54:13 At http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing we have a list of assignments. Many of the materials listed here already exist in some form and we just need to review and make sure they are proper and up to date 10:54:29 some items do not exist yet and we should review their need and implement them 10:54:50 And also, if there are additional items we think we need, we should add them as well. 10:55:10 and good morning AJaeger! 10:55:26 Good morning, everybody! 10:56:10 Does anyone have any questions before we roll up our sleeves? 11:00:27 let's just get crackin' 11:01:11 * gnokii takes jospoortvliet hand and crack it 11:01:12 AJaeger: did you already manage to make the changes I send to that OBS 2 slide presentation> 11:01:22 today I hope to create a 2-slide BS presentation 11:01:24 jospoortvliet: Not yet - will do later 11:01:27 helen_au: input is welcome :D 11:01:35 jospoortvliet: BS or Studio? 11:01:38 bs should be SUSE Studio 11:01:40 hehe 11:01:41 sorry 11:01:43 my mistake... 11:02:07 I will also update my kitty presentation with those OBS and Studio slides... 11:02:23 :D 11:02:24 not sure if anyone would want to use my kitty presentation but it has all the notes to use it and it's Free :D 11:02:40 maybe some day I will try to make more 'normal' slides hehe 11:02:54 jospoortvliet, are you referring to short decks that people can use to combine into their own presentations? 11:03:03 suseROCKs: yes 11:03:16 good idea. 11:03:51 that's a great idea 11:03:59 finding stuff for presentations is a constant chore 11:04:07 images/slides... 11:04:25 helen_au: not really ;) 11:04:35 helen_au, Its a bit of a delicate balance. We can certainly store up as many different types of presentations, but keeping them up-to-date is harder 11:05:02 what I mean is, any time I've had to do one on other topics, it takes a lot of work 11:05:10 so providing resources is very helpful 11:05:26 especially ones you can easily adapt to suit your needs 11:05:47 (eg, a slightly different topic, different audience) 11:05:53 helen_au, research takes time no matter what. What do you suggest for creating easier paths of research? 11:06:23 perhaps a master list of slide-quality images grouped by topic 11:06:59 generic suse/ suse software/ people/ computer pictures / icons and illsutrations / colored backgrounds 11:07:03 wouldn't looking at the full-set slides be the way to just simply grab and pick from? 11:07:29 it depends on how big the sets are 11:07:52 but having complete sets ready to go is obviously a great idea too 11:08:04 we do have sets ready to go 11:08:36 how have people who've been doing SUSE presentations found our existing materials? 11:08:46 adequate or have you needed to search for additional images? 11:09:11 helen_au: I offered long time ago, to make background that can be used and if special pictures are needed to make them, but right now the wiki begins to turn in a jungle everyone means to upload his stuff again 11:09:12 http://en.opensuse.org/Presentations 11:09:41 (I know the wiki team do a great job, but I do find it a trifle challenging at times) 11:10:01 maybe slightly more than trifle :-) 11:10:17 not sure if that's just me though :) 11:10:27 helen_au, Perhaps that's the assignment you'd like to take on for today. Looking at how we can "de-jungleify" the marketing wiki pages 11:10:35 um.... 11:10:46 might be getting outside my expertise :) 11:10:59 that makes you perfect for it. 11:11:02 honestly, I find it SUCH a maze... and wikis seem to have particular rules 11:11:07 like they don't like redirects 11:11:08 first of all you could follow the wiki rules :) 11:11:13 that would greatly help 11:11:23 henne: +1 11:11:42 this is the second link i see in 5 minutes that completely ignores them ;) 11:12:02 I emailed a little while ago asking if anyone had done a user 'road test' of our materials 11:12:21 it's a method we sometimes use in our day job, getting friends or family to look for something on our website 11:12:38 and seeing how easy (or not) they find it to navigate 11:12:42 henne, can you explain more? If we need to reorganize our pages more, then that's on the board for today :-) 11:14:24 suseROCKs: what more should I explain? 11:14:32 For one thing, I can see its categorized under "Presentations" and "Marketing Presentations" 11:14:41 henne: means follow the name conventions! 11:14:56 henne, just point out precisely what it is that is going wrong. 11:15:01 okay 11:15:46 suseROCKs: the page is in the wrong namespace. the main namespace without a prefix is reserved as product brochure 11:16:04 The Main namespace (with no prefix) for the presentation of the latest openSUSE Distribution, think of it as the product brochure, for people who are new to openSUSE and maybe to Linux in general. 11:16:09 it should be under the marketing portal's namespace correct? 11:16:44 how can we move it? Do we do it ourselves or ask someone on wiki team to move it? 11:17:00 no. a namespace is something bigger then a pagename 11:17:11 there are essentially 3 namespaces in the openSUSE wiki 11:17:17 its a pot for a couple of pages 11:17:20 the main namespace i talked about above 11:17:25 The openSUSE community's openSUSE: namespace to collaboratively write on documentation for their projects and teams. 11:17:37 The support database's SDB: namespace for people who have a problem with the openSUSE distribution and seek written instruction on how to solve it. 11:18:36 so marketing material for people from the community to use belong to? 11:18:56 openSUSE: 11:19:06 correct 11:19:32 suseROCKs: everybody can move pages 11:21:08 henne, ok so if you go to the top upper left corner.... 11:21:25 you will see wiki > openSUSE:Presentations 11:21:31 yes 11:21:39 and in the URL, you don't see openSUSE: 11:22:09 so I'm having a disconnect here already as to where exactly it is now. 11:22:12 suseROCKs: that because you are on the redirect page that got left behind because someone moved the page 11:22:29 suseROCKs: because it was wrong in the first place... 11:22:56 that's not possible, henne. I've never known you to be wrong. :-) 11:23:43 btw, just a suggestion... I think it would be better if we put on the wiki the language variant of the translated presentations... at least for ES and PT... (ie: es_ES, es_LAT, pt_PT, pt_BR, etc) 11:24:01 yes javier_ 11:24:27 javier_, any idea where those variants are currently stored? Are they on the translated wikis now? 11:24:33 this also happens with translated posters 11:25:11 suseROCKs: we only have "es" on the wiki, afaik 11:25:50 javier_: I have not in mind to keep all posters in the wiki 11:26:06 a pointer to the git is enough 11:26:16 javier_, http://pt.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations 11:26:21 gnokii: I was referring to the presentations 11:26:26 suseROCKs: exactly 11:26:53 javier_, so you feel we should have for example PT version both on the PT wiki and on the main wiki? 11:27:04 gnokii: I mean that the translated posters should also say it's translated to this variant or the other, you know 11:27:45 javier_: translation projects say this in the wiki by adding the interwiki link :) 11:27:46 suseROCKs: well, that's another possibility 11:27:55 yeah javier_ nothing speaks against that, a pointer means a link and u can write it down ;) 11:28:00 or maybe just a link put into the main page listing all the language available and point to those 11:28:20 hmm, what do I open an odp with 11:28:35 helen_au: OOo 11:28:35 openoffice 11:28:38 helen_au, Impress in openOffice 11:28:53 morning 11:29:04 hiya terrorpup 11:29:06 ah. LXDE doesn't have those, just okular 11:29:19 please guys don't invent your own thing if there are already mechanisms in place for pointing to a different language 11:29:58 henne, No worries. That's why we're discussing here to figure out what exists already and what doesn't. I'm just trying to clarify javier_'s question/suggestion 11:30:11 I don't want to invent anythiing... 11:30:36 reload the page and look at the left navigation 11:30:38 I haven't said anything about creating interwiki links 11:31:16 I just said that the presentations wherever they are should say what language variant they were translated to 11:32:10 and you use a wiki page to list them so just use interwiki links :) 11:32:10 the place for the presentations is another story 11:32:31 ok 11:33:18 henne: you mean interwiki links to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations ? 11:33:26 yes 11:33:47 ok, so the presentations in pt should be moved to en.o.o 11:33:52 nooooooo 11:34:20 no what I think henne means is that if you're on $lang1 it should be easy to see its counterpart on $lang2 11:34:24 i just have added [[pt:openSUSE:Presentations]] to that page 11:34:28 I wonder if perhaps an in-depth look at Wiki structure and fixes needs to be scheduled for another time? 11:34:34 which creates a box on the left navigation 11:34:43 "In other languages" 11:34:51 ok, sorry i missunderstood you 11:34:56 I know 11:35:21 so the translated versions go to whatever wiki and and interwiki link is added to the en.o.o wikipage 11:35:22 so short off for eat & meet 11:36:14 javier_: exactly 11:36:25 ok 11:36:45 "so the translated versions go to whatever wiki and and interwiki link is added to the en.o.o wikipage" - which means that you have files all over the place 11:37:11 simon123, so what are you suggesting? 11:37:55 there was gnokii's request to have single upload place and then you link from any wiki 11:38:26 and henne is there a way for us to instantly know when there's a translated version of any given page we're looking at? For example if I'm looking at a particular page and I wonder hmm... how many other languages is this particular page translated to? What could I do then? 11:38:47 suseROCKs: look at the left box 11:39:10 the leftbox is easy to miss 11:39:13 suseROCKs: thats as "instant" as it gets 11:39:16 ahh I see it now 11:39:38 javier_, sure. until you know it actually exists. (learning curve which is not that difficult) Once you know its there, you'll always look for it 11:40:14 henne: cboltz mentioned once how to have single upload place (the wiki ML) 11:40:22 getting some tea to wake up, I think suseROCKs set us his cold weather to wake. 11:40:29 simon123: we already have that afair 11:41:04 henne: if we have that I missed announcement 11:41:30 http://download.opensuse.org/projects/ 11:42:01 simon123: as usual this isnt announced 11:42:06 how to link that from any wiki ? 11:42:10 javier_, so, how much of your question got clarified now? what missing gaps do you still see from your perspective? 11:42:23 simon123: simple file links? 11:42:51 ok, and how to upload ? 11:43:09 simon123: as its not announce i have no friggn clue ;) 11:43:17 darix created it 11:43:20 Houston, we have a problem! :-) 11:43:28 no not darix being the problem :-) 11:43:35 well kind of... 11:43:36 suseROCKs: yepp. 11:43:37 :) 11:44:10 i guess it the usual "talk to darix" routine 11:44:22 to get something uploaded there 11:44:38 which makes me feel bad cuz we do ping him quite excessively, poor guy 11:45:38 let we check how can we do that within wiki, so that interwiki links will work 11:46:17 javier_, where are spanish versions of presentations currently stored? or do none exist at this time? 11:46:37 henne: people request space 11:46:42 and they get an rsync module 11:46:47 and yes we havent announced it 11:46:49 simon123: the only reason we don't do that in the wiki i heard about are file size limitations 11:47:09 we created it before announcement because jos needed some hosting for files that got rejected by the wiki 11:47:13 henne: we can raise that 11:47:24 simon123: sure... 11:47:42 what are the current size limits? 11:47:45 suseROCKs: here http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations 11:47:46 it is now 4 MB, and it could be whatever we set 11:48:09 can't we set it to 4 TB? 11:48:13 * suseROCKs ducks 11:48:21 suseROCKs: not sure :) 11:48:49 javier_, ok so I see a task. :-) Populate http://es.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations 11:48:57 yepp :) 11:48:58 darix: what are size limits on download.o.o ? 11:49:05