10:52:10 <suseROCKs> #startmeeting 10:52:10 <bugbot> Meeting started Mon Dec 13 10:52:10 2010 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 10:52:10 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 10:52:15 <suseROCKs> Wunderbar! 10:52:57 <suseROCKs> #topic openSUSE Marketing Team | Marketing Review Collaboration Day http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing 10:53:29 <suseROCKs> And now we are on our way... Good morning folks and welcome to our second iteration of December's Collaboration Days for the Marketing team 10:54:13 <suseROCKs> At http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing we have a list of assignments. Many of the materials listed here already exist in some form and we just need to review and make sure they are proper and up to date 10:54:29 <suseROCKs> some items do not exist yet and we should review their need and implement them 10:54:50 <suseROCKs> And also, if there are additional items we think we need, we should add them as well. 10:55:10 <suseROCKs> and good morning AJaeger! 10:55:26 <AJaeger> Good morning, everybody! 10:56:10 <suseROCKs> Does anyone have any questions before we roll up our sleeves? 11:00:27 <jospoortvliet> let's just get crackin' 11:01:11 * gnokii takes jospoortvliet hand and crack it 11:01:12 <jospoortvliet> AJaeger: did you already manage to make the changes I send to that OBS 2 slide presentation> 11:01:22 <jospoortvliet> today I hope to create a 2-slide BS presentation 11:01:24 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: Not yet - will do later 11:01:27 <jospoortvliet> helen_au: input is welcome :D 11:01:35 <AJaeger> jospoortvliet: BS or Studio? 11:01:38 <jospoortvliet> bs should be SUSE Studio 11:01:40 <jospoortvliet> hehe 11:01:41 <jospoortvliet> sorry 11:01:43 <jospoortvliet> my mistake... 11:02:07 <jospoortvliet> I will also update my kitty presentation with those OBS and Studio slides... 11:02:23 <helen_au> :D 11:02:24 <jospoortvliet> not sure if anyone would want to use my kitty presentation but it has all the notes to use it and it's Free :D 11:02:40 <jospoortvliet> maybe some day I will try to make more 'normal' slides hehe 11:02:54 <suseROCKs> jospoortvliet, are you referring to short decks that people can use to combine into their own presentations? 11:03:03 <jospoortvliet> suseROCKs: yes 11:03:16 <suseROCKs> good idea. 11:03:51 <helen_au> that's a great idea 11:03:59 <helen_au> finding stuff for presentations is a constant chore 11:04:07 <helen_au> images/slides... 11:04:25 <gnokii> helen_au: not really ;) 11:04:35 <suseROCKs> helen_au, Its a bit of a delicate balance. We can certainly store up as many different types of presentations, but keeping them up-to-date is harder 11:05:02 <helen_au> what I mean is, any time I've had to do one on other topics, it takes a lot of work 11:05:10 <helen_au> so providing resources is very helpful 11:05:26 <helen_au> especially ones you can easily adapt to suit your needs 11:05:47 <helen_au> (eg, a slightly different topic, different audience) 11:05:53 <suseROCKs> helen_au, research takes time no matter what. What do you suggest for creating easier paths of research? 11:06:23 <helen_au> perhaps a master list of slide-quality images grouped by topic 11:06:59 <helen_au> generic suse/ suse software/ people/ computer pictures / icons and illsutrations / colored backgrounds 11:07:03 <suseROCKs> wouldn't looking at the full-set slides be the way to just simply grab and pick from? 11:07:29 <helen_au> it depends on how big the sets are 11:07:52 <helen_au> but having complete sets ready to go is obviously a great idea too 11:08:04 <suseROCKs> we do have sets ready to go 11:08:36 <helen_au> how have people who've been doing SUSE presentations found our existing materials? 11:08:46 <helen_au> adequate or have you needed to search for additional images? 11:09:11 <gnokii> helen_au: I offered long time ago, to make background that can be used and if special pictures are needed to make them, but right now the wiki begins to turn in a jungle everyone means to upload his stuff again 11:09:12 <suseROCKs> http://en.opensuse.org/Presentations 11:09:41 <helen_au> (I know the wiki team do a great job, but I do find it a trifle challenging at times) 11:10:01 <suseROCKs> maybe slightly more than trifle :-) 11:10:17 <helen_au> not sure if that's just me though :) 11:10:27 <suseROCKs> helen_au, Perhaps that's the assignment you'd like to take on for today. Looking at how we can "de-jungleify" the marketing wiki pages 11:10:35 <helen_au> um.... 11:10:46 <helen_au> might be getting outside my expertise :) 11:10:59 <suseROCKs> that makes you perfect for it. 11:11:02 <helen_au> honestly, I find it SUCH a maze... and wikis seem to have particular rules 11:11:07 <helen_au> like they don't like redirects 11:11:08 <henne> first of all you could follow the wiki rules :) 11:11:13 <henne> that would greatly help 11:11:23 <gnokii> henne: +1 11:11:42 <henne> this is the second link i see in 5 minutes that completely ignores them ;) 11:12:02 <helen_au> I emailed a little while ago asking if anyone had done a user 'road test' of our materials 11:12:21 <helen_au> it's a method we sometimes use in our day job, getting friends or family to look for something on our website 11:12:38 <helen_au> and seeing how easy (or not) they find it to navigate 11:12:42 <suseROCKs> henne, can you explain more? If we need to reorganize our pages more, then that's on the board for today :-) 11:14:24 <henne> suseROCKs: what more should I explain? 11:14:32 <suseROCKs> For one thing, I can see its categorized under "Presentations" and "Marketing Presentations" 11:14:41 <gnokii> henne: means follow the name conventions! 11:14:56 <suseROCKs> henne, just point out precisely what it is that is going wrong. 11:15:01 <henne> okay 11:15:46 <henne> suseROCKs: the page is in the wrong namespace. the main namespace without a prefix is reserved as product brochure 11:16:04 <henne> The Main namespace (with no prefix) for the presentation of the latest openSUSE Distribution, think of it as the product brochure, for people who are new to openSUSE and maybe to Linux in general. 11:16:09 <suseROCKs> it should be under the marketing portal's namespace correct? 11:16:44 <suseROCKs> how can we move it? Do we do it ourselves or ask someone on wiki team to move it? 11:17:00 <henne> no. a namespace is something bigger then a pagename 11:17:11 <henne> there are essentially 3 namespaces in the openSUSE wiki 11:17:17 <gnokii> its a pot for a couple of pages 11:17:20 <henne> the main namespace i talked about above 11:17:25 <henne> The openSUSE community's openSUSE: namespace to collaboratively write on documentation for their projects and teams. 11:17:37 <henne> The support database's SDB: namespace for people who have a problem with the openSUSE distribution and seek written instruction on how to solve it. 11:18:36 <henne> so marketing material for people from the community to use belong to? 11:18:56 <gnokii> openSUSE: 11:19:06 <henne> correct 11:19:32 <henne> suseROCKs: everybody can move pages 11:21:08 <suseROCKs> henne, ok so if you go to the top upper left corner.... 11:21:25 <suseROCKs> you will see wiki > openSUSE:Presentations 11:21:31 <henne> yes 11:21:39 <suseROCKs> and in the URL, you don't see openSUSE: 11:22:09 <suseROCKs> so I'm having a disconnect here already as to where exactly it is now. 11:22:12 <henne> suseROCKs: that because you are on the redirect page that got left behind because someone moved the page 11:22:29 <henne> suseROCKs: because it was wrong in the first place... 11:22:56 <suseROCKs> that's not possible, henne. I've never known you to be wrong. :-) 11:23:43 <javier_> btw, just a suggestion... I think it would be better if we put on the wiki the language variant of the translated presentations... at least for ES and PT... (ie: es_ES, es_LAT, pt_PT, pt_BR, etc) 11:24:01 <suseROCKs> yes javier_ 11:24:27 <suseROCKs> javier_, any idea where those variants are currently stored? Are they on the translated wikis now? 11:24:33 <javier_> this also happens with translated posters 11:25:11 <javier_> suseROCKs: we only have "es" on the wiki, afaik 11:25:50 <gnokii> javier_: I have not in mind to keep all posters in the wiki 11:26:06 <gnokii> a pointer to the git is enough 11:26:16 <suseROCKs> javier_, http://pt.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations 11:26:21 <javier_> gnokii: I was referring to the presentations 11:26:26 <javier_> suseROCKs: exactly 11:26:53 <suseROCKs> javier_, so you feel we should have for example PT version both on the PT wiki and on the main wiki? 11:27:04 <javier_> gnokii: I mean that the translated posters should also say it's translated to this variant or the other, you know 11:27:45 <henne> javier_: translation projects say this in the wiki by adding the interwiki link :) 11:27:46 <javier_> suseROCKs: well, that's another possibility 11:27:55 <gnokii> yeah javier_ nothing speaks against that, a pointer means a link and u can write it down ;) 11:28:00 <suseROCKs> or maybe just a link put into the main page listing all the language available and point to those 11:28:20 <helen_au> hmm, what do I open an odp with 11:28:35 <javier_> helen_au: OOo 11:28:35 <gnokii> openoffice 11:28:38 <suseROCKs> helen_au, Impress in openOffice 11:28:53 <terrorpup> morning 11:29:04 <suseROCKs> hiya terrorpup 11:29:06 <helen_au> ah. LXDE doesn't have those, just okular 11:29:19 <henne> please guys don't invent your own thing if there are already mechanisms in place for pointing to a different language 11:29:58 <suseROCKs> henne, No worries. That's why we're discussing here to figure out what exists already and what doesn't. I'm just trying to clarify javier_'s question/suggestion 11:30:11 <javier_> I don't want to invent anythiing... 11:30:36 <henne> reload the page and look at the left navigation 11:30:38 <javier_> I haven't said anything about creating interwiki links 11:31:16 <javier_> I just said that the presentations wherever they are should say what language variant they were translated to 11:32:10 <henne> and you use a wiki page to list them so just use interwiki links :) 11:32:10 <javier_> the place for the presentations is another story 11:32:31 <javier_> ok 11:33:18 <javier_> henne: you mean interwiki links to http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations ? 11:33:26 <henne> yes 11:33:47 <javier_> ok, so the presentations in pt should be moved to en.o.o 11:33:52 <henne> nooooooo 11:34:20 <suseROCKs> no what I think henne means is that if you're on $lang1 it should be easy to see its counterpart on $lang2 11:34:24 <henne> i just have added [[pt:openSUSE:Presentations]] to that page 11:34:28 <helen_au> I wonder if perhaps an in-depth look at Wiki structure and fixes needs to be scheduled for another time? 11:34:34 <henne> which creates a box on the left navigation 11:34:43 <henne> "In other languages" 11:34:51 <javier_> ok, sorry i missunderstood you 11:34:56 <javier_> I know 11:35:21 <javier_> so the translated versions go to whatever wiki and and interwiki link is added to the en.o.o wikipage 11:35:22 <gnokii> so short off for eat & meet 11:36:14 <henne> javier_: exactly 11:36:25 <javier_> ok 11:36:45 <simon123> "so the translated versions go to whatever wiki and and interwiki link is added to the en.o.o wikipage" - which means that you have files all over the place 11:37:11 <suseROCKs> simon123, so what are you suggesting? 11:37:55 <simon123> there was gnokii's request to have single upload place and then you link from any wiki 11:38:26 <suseROCKs> and henne is there a way for us to instantly know when there's a translated version of any given page we're looking at? For example if I'm looking at a particular page and I wonder hmm... how many other languages is this particular page translated to? What could I do then? 11:38:47 <henne> suseROCKs: look at the left box 11:39:10 <javier_> the leftbox is easy to miss 11:39:13 <henne> suseROCKs: thats as "instant" as it gets 11:39:16 <suseROCKs> ahh I see it now 11:39:38 <suseROCKs> javier_, sure. until you know it actually exists. (learning curve which is not that difficult) Once you know its there, you'll always look for it 11:40:14 <simon123> henne: cboltz mentioned once how to have single upload place (the wiki ML) 11:40:22 <terrorpup> getting some tea to wake up, I think suseROCKs set us his cold weather to wake. 11:40:29 <henne> simon123: we already have that afair 11:41:04 <simon123> henne: if we have that I missed announcement 11:41:30 <henne> http://download.opensuse.org/projects/ 11:42:01 <henne> simon123: as usual this isnt announced 11:42:06 <simon123> how to link that from any wiki ? 11:42:10 <suseROCKs> javier_, so, how much of your question got clarified now? what missing gaps do you still see from your perspective? 11:42:23 <henne> simon123: simple file links? 11:42:51 <simon123> ok, and how to upload ? 11:43:09 <henne> simon123: as its not announce i have no friggn clue ;) 11:43:17 <henne> darix created it 11:43:20 <suseROCKs> Houston, we have a problem! :-) 11:43:28 <suseROCKs> no not darix being the problem :-) 11:43:35 <henne> well kind of... 11:43:36 <javier_> suseROCKs: yepp. 11:43:37 <simon123> :) 11:44:10 <henne> i guess it the usual "talk to darix" routine 11:44:22 <henne> to get something uploaded there 11:44:38 <suseROCKs> which makes me feel bad cuz we do ping him quite excessively, poor guy 11:45:38 <simon123> let we check how can we do that within wiki, so that interwiki links will work 11:46:17 <suseROCKs> javier_, where are spanish versions of presentations currently stored? or do none exist at this time? 11:46:37 <darix> henne: people request space 11:46:42 <darix> and they get an rsync module 11:46:47 <darix> and yes we havent announced it 11:46:49 <henne> simon123: the only reason we don't do that in the wiki i heard about are file size limitations 11:47:09 <darix> we created it before announcement because jos needed some hosting for files that got rejected by the wiki 11:47:13 <simon123> henne: we can raise that 11:47:24 <henne> simon123: sure... 11:47:42 <suseROCKs> what are the current size limits? 11:47:45 <javier_> suseROCKs: here http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations 11:47:46 <simon123> it is now 4 MB, and it could be whatever we set 11:48:09 <suseROCKs> can't we set it to 4 TB? 11:48:13 * suseROCKs ducks 11:48:21 <simon123> suseROCKs: not sure :) 11:48:49 <suseROCKs> javier_, ok so I see a task. :-) Populate http://es.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations 11:48:57 <javier_> yepp :) 11:48:58 <simon123> darix: what are size limits on download.o.o ? 11:49:05 <helen_au> <aside> there's a lot of good images on Flickr too..... 11:49:28 <suseROCKs> helen_au, yes 11:49:57 <darix> simon123: what do you mean? 11:50:07 <suseROCKs> helen_au, perhaps a "tips and tricks for research" page that tells some marketeers where to start looking for material? 11:50:21 <suseROCKs> javier_, may I note that you are taking on that assignment? 11:50:35 <simon123> darix: is there limit on file size that one can upload to download.o.o 11:50:47 <javier_> suseROCKs: sure 11:51:05 <suseROCKs> thanks 11:51:28 <helen_au> suseROCKs, that's a good idea 11:51:33 <darix> simon123: if you fill the disk i will get very angry 11:51:41 <darix> but other than that no 11:52:04 <gnokii> darix: I have there a specifical problem with upload to the wiki 11:52:07 <helen_au> I'd be interested to hear from other 'newer' people on how they've found the experience 11:52:11 <helen_au> of looking for materials 11:52:17 <helen_au> did they find what they were looking for> 11:52:23 <simon123> darix: how do I see how much room is there ? 11:52:30 <helen_au> maybe Etern4L ? 11:52:41 <terrorpup> thanks. 11:53:15 <darix> gnokii: it is just a problem with file size 11:53:17 <darix> nothing more 11:53:23 <terrorpup> I am working from home today, lupinstein may go away shortly I need to the link to pad 11:53:23 <darix> the wiki only allows 4MB 11:53:28 <suseROCKs> helen_au, I think it gets confusing for all new people. The wiki is certainly not easy to navigate, but once you get it (finally!) it all starts to make sense thereafter. It takes time. 11:53:37 <gnokii> no its a problem with the file type 11:53:47 <suseROCKs> What we want to figure out is how to shorten that learning curve. 11:54:14 <helen_au> actually getting a little bit off-topic from the wiki discussion but something I thought about the other day, was a 'what should I be reading' page 11:54:16 <darix> gnokii: Maximum file size: 4 MB (a file on your computer) 11:54:18 <darix> from 11:54:23 <darix> http://en.opensuse.org/Special:Upload 11:54:32 <darix> later 11:54:34 <helen_au> there's so much content - wikis, planet, news.... I'm not sure if I'm missing stuff 11:54:36 <darix> simon123: dunno 11:54:46 <gnokii> no darix isnt the problem the wiki looks to clever 11:54:57 <gnokii> I tried to upload an extended svg 11:54:59 <helen_au> so a guide to 'essential reading for new geeko-fans' would be nice 11:55:33 <henne> helen_au: what is a geeko-fan? 11:55:38 <helen_au> suseROCKs, yes that's true, I think I'm finally getting 'at home' with it myself, just occasionally run into road blocks 11:55:49 <suseROCKs> helen_au, an interesting question. I guess the question is more to be asked after identifying who you are (the audience) 11:55:49 <henne> because depending on your definition the essentials change.... 11:55:51 <helen_au> henne, I just made that up for new keen SUSE users 11:56:11 <gnokii> huhu izabelvalverde 11:56:17 <izabelvalverde> good afternoon all 11:56:27 <suseROCKs> Moin izabelvalverde 11:56:30 <simon123> gnokii: the problem is that svg rendering doesn't work 11:56:45 <gnokii> afternoon, thaugt is 10 a.m in Novo Hamburgo 11:56:46 <izabelvalverde> sorry about the time 11:56:58 <izabelvalverde> gnokii you are right 11:57:03 <gnokii> simon123: what does it not? 11:58:08 <terrorpup> helen, simon123 recommend what we make like a portal page with all links yesterday, when I thought was a good idea 11:58:24 <henne> helen_au: with all material (also with web pages) you have to define for which audience you want to publish. its publishing 101 11:58:44 <helen_au> great idea 11:59:06 <henne> so whatever you create you will never cover everybody... 11:59:11 <helen_au> true 11:59:11 <izabelvalverde> suseROCKs terrorpup I'm not sure if I'll be around longer so whatever help I can give please just tell me ok? 11:59:25 <helen_au> but having a central place to find things make life easier 11:59:26 <suseROCKs> izabelvalverde, to bring you up to date, we're discussing the navigability and proper usage of the wiki 11:59:26 <henne> i always understand, whenever i hang out here, that you strive for that 11:59:41 <terrorpup> izabelvalverde, will do, we are talk about the wiki at the moment 12:00:05 <suseROCKs> also list of suggested tasks are here http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing 12:00:07 <javier_> btw, suseROCKs the presentations' filenames begin with an uppercase o 12:00:38 <henne> helen_au: didn't we just establish that central depends on who tries to find something? ;) 12:00:45 <suseROCKs> javier_, we need a plugin that automatically fixes and slaps the hands of people who uppercased the O :-) 12:01:34 <terrorpup> Ok when are at a point we can start talking about the items on the pad 12:01:40 <helen_au> henne, true, but then we can easily cherry-pick from a master list 12:01:55 <helen_au> if something is hidden in a link within a link.... 12:02:00 <helen_au> we might not find it 12:02:11 <javier_> hehe 12:02:11 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, we can start at any time. If someone looks at the list of suggested assignments and wants to do something and has a question from there... just ask :-) 12:02:22 <henne> you guys need to define what you want to do and what not 12:02:29 <henne> then everything else becomes easy... 12:02:33 <henne> in the wiki that is 12:02:59 <suseROCKs> helen_au, I think for focus, you should think about that question specifically in terms of "where to start" for doing our job (in marketing) 12:05:02 <terrorpup> Ok, then let everyone please take 5 minutes to look at http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing 12:05:06 <helen_au> right now I"m not even sure what the question is..... 12:05:13 <helen_au> ok 12:05:17 <izabelvalverde> I suggested a point at ietherpad 12:05:28 <terrorpup> If there are questions we will take those first 12:05:39 <henne> helen_au: maybe http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Portals is what you are looking for 12:05:47 <terrorpup> thank you izabelvalverde 12:05:49 <henne> helen_au: a listing of all major topics in openSUSE 12:06:19 <suseROCKs> izabelvalverde, which one? 12:06:40 <terrorpup> Model of Sponsor Letter 12:07:01 <izabelvalverde> line 34 12:07:09 <suseROCKs> ahh good one 12:07:10 <javier_> suseROCKs: Introduce Yourself or a bit about yourself (talk is missing?) 12:07:23 <javier_> that's in the presentation 12:08:24 <jospoortvliet> izabelvalverde: maybe that's a point you could work on as it could be pretty useful 12:08:27 <izabelvalverde> terrorpup also I would like to add Code Of Conduct 12:08:29 <jospoortvliet> and to be honest, I never did that 12:08:33 <jospoortvliet> so it would help with the next conference... 12:08:36 <suseROCKs> javier_, I think that was one of the assignments in last week's Ambassador list for "how to make a good presentation" 12:08:37 <jospoortvliet> and you DO have experience :D 12:08:39 <terrorpup> for Marketing? 12:09:10 <suseROCKs> Code of Conduct should point to the Guiding Principles. 12:09:12 <gnokii> izabelvalverde: code fo conduct are the the ones with the african slang 12:09:27 * simon123 leaves 12:09:37 <terrorpup> izabelvalverde, I am not sure how we can Market that 12:09:51 <izabelvalverde> terrorpup yes for me since marketing means a way to show or represent a group 12:10:05 * henne too 12:10:12 <izabelvalverde> maybe an ambassador think 12:10:20 <izabelvalverde> you're right 12:10:31 <suseROCKs> oh as in how to best present yourself in public 12:10:37 <terrorpup> I had some thought like you izabelvalverde 12:10:42 <izabelvalverde> jospoortvliet I can do 12:11:12 <jospoortvliet> izabelvalverde: cool, super! 12:11:23 <jospoortvliet> izabelvalverde: and good points on CoC 12:11:29 <suseROCKs> brb 12:11:33 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: would there be a next one, because its a little bit lost of the focus ;) 12:13:55 <jospoortvliet> gnokii: could be, yes. Then again we should use the skills we have and Izabel's skills in this are very useful 12:14:01 * jospoortvliet is now hungry 12:14:05 * jospoortvliet will get some food 12:14:08 <suseROCKs> back 12:14:12 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: thats was not my point! 12:14:54 <gnokii> jospoortvliet: was a friendly reminder for try to setup the meeting u planned again 12:15:50 <jospoortvliet> aaah you mean news 12:15:52 <jospoortvliet> ? 12:15:56 <jospoortvliet> or next week collab meeting? 12:16:15 <gnokii> no I mean u planned once a meeting for conference and it didnt happend ;) 12:17:27 <helen_au> http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Marketing_resources 12:18:16 <terrorpup> hmm, is there a plugin that firefox needs for ietherpad? 12:18:31 <helen_au> I saw that too. don't think so. 12:19:03 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, I just noticed that a minute ago too and when I clicked to search for plugins none were found :-) 12:19:07 <helen_au> marketing-artwork and marketing-presentations are both empty on portal page 12:19:38 <gnokii> helen_au: woot marketing-artwork? 12:20:55 <suseROCKs> there shouldn't be a "marketing-artwork" category. it should point to the Artwork portal pages 12:21:15 <suseROCKs> otherwise we'll have too many redundant things 12:21:43 <izabelvalverde> terrorpup saw line 23 ;) 12:21:45 <gnokii> marketing-artwork is the redundany himself 12:22:07 <suseROCKs> gnokii, you're not redundant. :-) 12:22:19 <suseROCKs> helen_au, where do you see marketing-artwork? 12:22:26 <gnokii> would be better I am redundant 12:22:33 <terrorpup> guys, I will brb, I need to dress my son, but I think are ready to start 12:22:40 <helen_au> http://en.opensuse.org/Category:Marketing_resources 12:23:11 <helen_au> see when you click on it, you get the banner links below, but the (0) doesn't invite a click 12:23:13 <helen_au> it looks empty 12:24:00 <gnokii> its a category helen_au 12:24:11 <helen_au> hey I'm just telling you what I see as numpty user 12:24:14 <gnokii> and brings u to pages like that one http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Banners 12:24:18 <helen_au> how many other people see that and don't click? 12:24:35 <helen_au> can we make the (0) go away? 12:24:38 <gnokii> and btw, have to kill most of that "banners" 12:24:54 <gnokii> and write protect the page after doing that 12:24:58 <helen_au> urgh ugly old banners 12:25:05 <javier_> I was going to say that ;) 12:25:10 <suseROCKs> helen_au, ahhh I get what you mean 12:25:24 <suseROCKs> the (0) is actually (o) the letter :-) 12:25:28 <gnokii> yeah lot of kids stuff and thats what happen u begin collect such things in the wiki 12:25:30 <helen_au> I realize if you're used to wikis you probably know it's the subcategory 12:25:51 <helen_au> but for me as a non-techy person, it looks like it's going to be a dead link 12:26:19 <suseROCKs> helen_au, You're right. It is misleading at first glance. Question is, how do we resolve that? 12:26:38 <helen_au> dunno I don't know wikki-speak 12:26:50 <helen_au> some code cheat to get rid of the (0) 12:27:00 <suseROCKs> forget "wiki-speak" 12:27:24 <gnokii> helen_au: the count there says how many sub-categories exist 12:27:31 <helen_au> yes I understand that 12:28:14 <suseROCKs> maybe we should ask the wiki team if they can massage this to not display (0) when there's no count of sub categories 12:28:32 <suseROCKs> because you're right. it is very misleading 12:29:08 <suseROCKs> and our wiki gurus are gone :-) I'll send a note to the wiki ML on this 12:29:19 <javier_> gnokii: that banners wikipage links to a place where hate is ok :( 12:29:37 <javier_> http://www.userbars.org/cat6.htm 12:30:18 <gnokii> javier_: as I said have to clean it up and write protect it after it 12:30:19 <helen_au> anyways I didn't mean to derail progress with more on wiki ajustments 12:30:28 <helen_au> we probably need to move on with materials 12:30:32 <helen_au> items on list and so forth 12:31:08 <javier_> gnokii: as a first measure, I'm deleting those links 12:32:04 <gnokii> ok 12:32:15 <gnokii> u can kill the dead link also 12:33:05 <terrorpup> javier_, that userbars is a pop hell page 12:33:06 <javier_> sure 12:34:03 <helen_au> jeebus don't click that damn link! 12:34:17 <helen_au> userbars epic fail 12:34:25 <helen_au> what about a nice Firefox theme 12:34:28 <terrorpup> lucky I am not running windows 12:34:33 <helen_au> there's a couple of user-generated ones 12:34:35 <javier_> terrorpup: indeed 12:34:42 <helen_au> I"m on LXDE+firefox and still got popups 12:34:59 <terrorpup> you mean like the Firefox persona? 12:35:03 <helen_au> persona 12:35:05 <helen_au> that's the word 12:35:05 <javier_> gnokii: done 12:35:14 <gnokii> javier_: thx 12:35:25 <helen_au> I have a nice one done by someone in el salvador 12:35:41 <terrorpup> That would go under Items for personal use 12:35:47 <helen_au> oh, regarding things like success stories and tips 12:35:55 <helen_au> where would we post them to? Wiki again? 12:36:16 <javier_> gnokii: Edit page: block new and unregisted users, admins only. 12:36:22 <javier_> I mean or 12:36:28 <terrorpup> helen_au, I use one that is blue by Raul Liborio on all my means. 12:36:31 <helen_au> because a local lug had some really great reports on their Software Freedom day, and I'd like to ask them if I can share it with opensuse 12:36:38 <suseROCKs> helen_au, I would probably post it as a pdf or something that ambassadors can then print out and use at their events 12:36:44 <terrorpup> means = machine 12:37:10 * suseROCKs hopes carlos can come by today and work on the Banco do Brasil success story 12:37:53 <gnokii> javier_: when u do that I cant, I should not be admin I think so, can be I am I dont know yet but would be ok with me 12:38:24 <helen_au> suseROCKs, it's more like a tipsheet they'd read beforehand 12:38:40 <helen_au> things that they found worked at their event, what people asked about, what was popular 12:38:46 <suseROCKs> ahh 12:38:47 <terrorpup> ok, lets start with line 5 12:38:49 <helen_au> and also how 'not' to phrase some things 12:39:03 <helen_au> really good stuff and well written 12:39:11 <javier_> gnokii: you can ask fsundermeyer to make you admin 12:39:16 <suseROCKs> helen_au, that's not what I was referring to as success stories. As for tipsheets, we've been buildinig some of that in last week's ambassador day 12:39:24 <suseROCKs> For example, talking points page, checklist, etc. 12:39:38 <terrorpup> Instrustion for Demon 12:39:40 <helen_au> so how would i make that accessible for people working on those things? mail to marketing list? 12:39:52 <terrorpup> sorry Instructions for Demo 12:40:07 <terrorpup> would anyone like to take this one, any thoughts 12:40:58 <suseROCKs> that actually is further elaborated further down in line 36 12:42:07 <helen_au> ok so you're not interested in hearing about LUG Software Freedom Day stall experiences then? 12:42:09 <suseROCKs> So it really breaks down into two areas: 1. Demonstrations in presentations and tutorial sessions and 2. Demonstrations at the booth 12:42:29 <suseROCKs> helen_au, that should be as a report and it should also be published on news.o.o 12:43:01 <suseROCKs> helen_au, and what we should do is keep a running list of all these event reports so taht future people can tick through the various reports until they get an idea of how others did it 12:43:01 <terrorpup> we should also come up with guide lines how how to do those as well 12:43:16 <helen_au> suseROCKs, no that's not what I mean, it's not suse-specific - it's general - but tips I think other presenters will find useful 12:43:32 <helen_au> so they might be useful to people compiling guidelines or resources 12:43:56 <helen_au> (yes more like your last comment) 12:43:57 <gnokii> helen_au: there exists a presentation ZEN in the wiki 12:44:24 <terrorpup> helen_au, I agree on the guidelines, we need to teach ppl how to do put the openSUSE brand on it. 12:44:42 <helen_au> terrorpup, fyi ...http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/158811 12:45:58 <terrorpup> helen_au, this one i am using 12:45:59 <terrorpup> http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/persona/61519 12:46:06 * gnokii finds it funny that ppl they dont understand art & brand guidelines like to teach others 12:46:49 <terrorpup> guys, suseROCKs will run the show for next 30mins, I have to take my son to school. 12:47:22 <terrorpup> but if we can, please let talk about line 5 and go down the list. 12:47:23 <helen_au> thanks pup 12:47:38 <terrorpup> be back in flash 12:48:02 <suseROCKs> actually we need to step back a bit.... 12:48:15 <suseROCKs> we're all identifying lots of stuff but we need to do actual work today :-) 12:48:48 <suseROCKs> and since helen_au is finding all kinds of good stuff we should be working on, I don't want people assuming she's going to do all the work. :-) 12:49:10 <helen_au> lol sorry I've just got a big mouth :) I'll be quiet now 12:49:18 <suseROCKs> no no dn't 12:49:20 <suseROCKs> don't 12:49:33 <suseROCKs> you've brought up good points that we need to hear about. 12:49:41 <suseROCKs> and it is "Collaboration" day 12:50:31 <helen_au> so what needs work? 12:52:32 <suseROCKs> helen_au, pick and choose what you want from the list... say "I'll take this one" and we'll add your name to that task 12:52:55 <suseROCKs> or if there's something else you'd rather do that is marketing materials related, add to it 12:58:20 <helen_au> I could write something, not sure what. Brochures maybe, not wiki I hate wiki 12:58:31 <helen_au> I'm working on this article STILL ! http://piratepad.net/tpJmpiYeNG 12:58:44 <helen_au> which Rajko helped a lot with 13:00:33 <suseROCKs> helen_au, then I would suggest sticking to that. It's marketing related and you're already workinig on it 13:00:59 <suseROCKs> helen_au, and we expect you to be done by midnight, Sydney time. 13:01:03 <suseROCKs> oops its midnight now :-) 13:01:19 <helen_au> lolz yeh my husband gave up and went to sleep! 13:01:33 <helen_au> he thinks I love my computer more than him! 13:01:51 <gnokii> helen_au: easy solution make a wallpaper with his face :D 13:02:04 <helen_au> heh 13:02:12 <suseROCKs> take an old keyboard and stick the keys onto his body 13:02:34 <suseROCKs> just don't tell us where you plug in that usb drive 13:02:39 <helen_au> bwahahaha 13:03:32 <helen_au> well I don't know that we've made much progress in last hour or two really, have we? 13:03:46 <suseROCKs> sure we have 13:03:54 <helen_au> is there something on that list that really is lacking? 13:03:57 <suseROCKs> have we gotten a lot done? no. But have we identified what has ailed us, sure 13:04:05 <helen_au> for some things there is existing wiki pages 13:04:30 <suseROCKs> helen_au, easiest thing to do then is to go through the existing stuff and see if its still relevant/appropriate 13:04:50 <suseROCKs> all things need updating from time to time and we easily become lax, especially when it comes to wikis 13:05:56 <suseROCKs> hey hey warlordfff! 13:06:02 <helen_au> warlordfff, hey kostas 13:06:17 <warlordfff> Hey 13:06:21 <warlordfff> how are you 13:06:22 <warlordfff> ? 13:06:33 <helen_au> talking about getting stuff done, warlordfff - great work with Greek openSUSE news 13:06:50 <warlordfff> Thanks 13:06:52 <helen_au> you guys doing fantastic stuff for Greek openSUSE community 13:07:01 <warlordfff> its actually a team work 13:08:06 <warlordfff> Me and diamond_gr tried to make something nice and it actually worked 13:08:13 <javier_> warlordfff: nice report of xariseto.gr 13:08:21 <helen_au> great 13:08:22 <warlordfff> Thanks 13:08:30 <izabelvalverde> back again 13:08:49 <javier_> warlordfff: btw, http://diamond.comlu.com/suse/events/xariseto_12_12_10/4.jpg <- that's a picture I took where I live :-P 13:09:21 <publict> hello Kostas 13:09:30 <helen_au> well I have to go 13:09:41 <javier_> bb helen_au 13:09:44 <helen_au> bye 13:09:56 <warlordfff> it's your picture,that is zoumpis laptop, hipublict 13:10:00 <warlordfff> it's your picture,that is zoumpis laptop, hi publict 13:10:16 <warlordfff> bye helen_au 13:10:38 <warlordfff> it's your picture? javier_ 13:10:43 <javier_> yes 13:11:26 <warlordfff> hmm I'll tell Zoumpis about it 13:11:45 <javier_> warlordfff: btw, you had no bookmarks? 13:12:19 <warlordfff> bookmarks of what? 13:12:26 <javier_> openSUSE bookmarks are nice ;) 13:13:04 <javier_> what you use to mark last page you read in a bok 13:13:07 <terrorpup> Ok I am back 13:13:17 <javier_> *book 13:13:52 <warlordfff> I don't really understand 13:13:55 <suseROCKs> ok guys... I need to go outside and shovel snow before the commuters trample all over it. I'll be back in a bit. 13:14:03 <terrorpup> brrrr, 19 F it not a typical morning here in Atlanta. 13:14:05 <suseROCKs> terrorpup will continue to moderate now 13:14:21 <suseROCKs> 10 F here (-12 C) 13:14:39 <suseROCKs> but extremely windy so the wind chill factor is kicking some dupa here. 13:15:04 <terrorpup> we have your weather minus the snow 13:15:08 <warlordfff> well today I took my day off everything 13:15:17 <warlordfff> because of the cold 13:16:07 <warlordfff> we have 5 C here but its all so wet that makes the cold harder 13:16:44 <warlordfff> did you liked the lizards in the keyboard 13:16:46 <warlordfff> ? 13:23:05 <terrorpup> ok guys 13:24:14 <warlordfff> a question sir terrorpup, di you saw what I created a few days ago about Launch parties? 13:24:23 <warlordfff> a question sir terrorpup, did you saw what I created a few days ago about Launch parties? 13:25:40 <terrorpup> This 13:25:41 <terrorpup> Launch Parties 13:25:42 <terrorpup> -- How to have them (beer, pizza..) 13:25:42 <terrorpup> -- How to promote them 13:25:42 <terrorpup> -- How to share the success 13:26:08 <terrorpup> I thought I had on the page, someone add the beer and pizza to it. 13:26:20 <terrorpup> but it all good 13:26:40 <warlordfff> not that 13:27:00 <terrorpup> show me 13:27:09 <warlordfff> I'll email it to you now to take a look and tell me were to put it 13:27:17 <terrorpup> ok 13:27:44 <terrorpup> so guys are we ready to go over the list, or we still looking for items to add? 13:29:33 <warlordfff> Sent Chuck 13:30:25 <terrorpup> ok 13:31:30 <gnokii> I dont know why ppl always do what other have done before 13:32:30 <warlordfff> propably to improve it 13:32:43 <publict> and what about more amount of the promotional materials? not DVDs, laptop stickers only, but calendars, for example, or something else.. and more more more.. ) 13:33:23 <terrorpup> publict, that under Swag Review 13:33:59 <warlordfff> Swag Review? 13:34:04 <publict> on next week? or what. i dont understand.. ) 13:34:05 <terrorpup> please give recommendation 13:34:20 <terrorpup> http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing 13:34:30 <warlordfff> guys going to eat something,be back soon 13:34:31 <terrorpup> line 56 13:34:35 <publict> ок 13:34:40 <publict> oops 13:34:53 <terrorpup> we need recommendation 13:35:11 <terrorpup> I know here in the states, they love the stuff tux and geeko 13:35:22 <terrorpup> we do have the cute one that europe has 13:35:27 <gnokii> sorry swag review, can it be that henne made clear last collaboration day what is there, so why is there such a thing again 13:35:28 <terrorpup> but they love them. 13:35:50 <gnokii> what u talking about we have the same ugly like u have 13:35:52 <terrorpup> the ipod man, not so hot. 13:36:25 <terrorpup> no, gnokii you geeko is a light green and has plastic eyes. 13:36:44 <terrorpup> our is dark green and switch eyes 13:37:09 <gnokii> how do u know that, can it be u know nothing but talking? 13:37:37 <terrorpup> because AJ told me when I asked why they look different 13:38:16 <terrorpup> plus, I have seen the swag the US guys have in the Novell office when they helped me out last year for SCALE 13:39:30 <gnokii> never seen one of the old ones, since year always get the same like u get, or I have to buy then at steiner. So an the end u say AJaeger told u bullshit? 13:41:07 <gnokii> FunkyPenguin: yeah 13:41:37 <FunkyPenguin> huh? 13:42:44 <terrorpup> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/geekoplush-300x225.jpg 13:42:47 <gnokii> icon list 13:43:58 <terrorpup> that's the ones I have that came from Salt Lake when Zonker was here, the ones I got from AJ came from europe didn't look like that 13:46:17 <gnokii> terrorpup: u dont understand as I said, I know which u mean u can buy them but u get them not from suse anymore for free 13:46:48 <terrorpup> gnokii, I just looked on the shop page and I don't see them there 13:46:57 <gnokii> ^^ 13:47:37 <gnokii> http://www.cd-rom.de/home.htm?/k/431/431659.shtml 13:48:02 <gnokii> that AJ brought u an old geeko means not we have them 13:48:03 <terrorpup> yea, that the ones AJ send me 13:48:37 <gnokii> ^^ 13:49:06 <terrorpup> you guys still have the ones I posted? Because the one posted I assume the new ones, and no one in the US had seen them 13:49:48 <gnokii> there comes the man 13:50:32 <warlordfff> gnokii something strange happened 13:51:20 <gnokii> terrorpup I think henne told last collab day what is right now there on swag stuff, when u would know that not all of the conference visitors had one in there package u would know that 13:51:46 <warlordfff> its the second time I read something you wrote and agree with you 13:52:35 <warlordfff> not totaly but I thing you are mostly right 13:53:42 <warlordfff> anyway sorry for the off-subject notice 13:54:14 <warlordfff> going back to my food 13:54:33 <terrorpup> warlordfff, I like your doc, but you might want to tailor it for LUG, a lot of them met at schools (esp. here is States). 13:54:52 <warlordfff> ??? 13:55:06 <terrorpup> your launch party doc. 13:55:09 <terrorpup> sec 13:55:19 <warlordfff> yes that I got 13:55:45 <warlordfff> 'but you might want to tailor it for LUG' that I don't get 13:56:10 * gnokii strange I wrote a launch party tutorial long time ago, and I am sure it doesnt matter if it is in schools or something other place 13:58:11 <warlordfff> gnokii what I wrote has nothing to do whith what you wrote 13:58:30 <warlordfff> the only common is the title 14:01:54 <warlordfff> I wrote about what the organizer of the party should give attention to the time of the party and how to make people feel comfortable and other such things 14:02:41 <terrorpup> gnokii, is your document, where the link for it. 14:03:23 <warlordfff> http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Launch_party_HOWTO 14:03:40 <warlordfff> I believe this is gnokii's document 14:03:54 <warlordfff> right? 14:04:43 <gnokii> yeah then complete it but I thaught it was longer once 14:05:41 <warlordfff> mmm 14:06:46 <warlordfff> I wouldn' t know that, anyway,as I said it has almost nothing to do with your document 14:08:47 <gnokii> sounds strange to put information behind the same headline and then say has nothing to do with things they are under teh same headline ;) 14:10:15 <warlordfff> If you read it you will understand why 14:10:39 <warlordfff> want a copy? 14:11:46 <gnokii> not yet no time 14:12:25 <warlordfff> ok 14:12:43 <suseROCKs> back! Snow shoveled, body defrosted, 14:12:51 <terrorpup> ok 14:13:01 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, how's it going 14:13:08 <terrorpup> you must have taken everyone with you 14:13:14 <terrorpup> it got quite 14:13:27 <suseROCKs> looks like you guys chattered a bit while I was away 14:13:32 <gnokii> warlordfff: u can send it but u not get direct feedback 14:13:41 <terrorpup> warlordfff send me launch party doc 14:14:25 <terrorpup> me and gnokii talked about stuff geekos, because of publict saying we need more swag 14:14:58 <warlordfff> gnokii ok, and I must tell you its has space for corrections 14:15:46 <gnokii> if u think so do it 14:17:04 <terrorpup> suseROCKs, no one has added anything to pad, so I think it safe to start going over asking ppl to take on task, what do you think. 14:18:56 <suseROCKs> sure 14:19:13 <warlordfff> sent 14:21:56 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, give warlordfff the task of rallying in more Greeks to today's event like he did last time ;-) 14:22:25 <warlordfff> well 14:22:35 <warlordfff> people are comming 14:22:42 <terrorpup> warlordfff time to bring the greeks 14:22:57 <warlordfff> one is here 3 more are about to come in the next 3-4 hours 14:23:15 <warlordfff> with me we are two 14:23:16 <terrorpup> break out the Oozo 14:24:04 <FunkyPenguin> gnokii, oh crap - i'll get it to you today 14:24:07 <FunkyPenguin> thanks for the nudge 14:31:33 <terrorpup> ok ppl 14:32:01 <terrorpup> lets see who wanting to take on tasks 14:33:42 <terrorpup> gnokii, I like you to take one. Line 25 --Offical Logos and Clip Art that can be use for marketing, make sure all art is update. 14:33:56 <gnokii> declined 14:34:23 <gnokii> fist there re official logos, second what cliparts? 14:34:29 <gnokii> third no time 14:35:39 <terrorpup> o..k.. 14:36:41 <terrorpup> warlordfff: you think you can take two items 14:37:53 <terrorpup> Line 28 Launch Parties and line 48 openSUSE ( How to demonstrate) 14:37:54 <warlordfff> me and creating art= Not a good idea except if there is some kind of sculpturing involved, sorry 14:38:09 <warlordfff> oh 14:38:20 <warlordfff> wait a moment to tell you 14:38:33 <terrorpup> no, I didn't think that. That why I asked Gnokii, since does a lot of art. 14:38:45 <warlordfff> ok missunderstood 14:38:54 <terrorpup> no worries 14:39:38 <warlordfff> for line 28 I could do some work but surrelly this calls for more than one person to do it 14:40:00 <terrorpup> true 14:40:12 <warlordfff> for line 48 14:40:25 <warlordfff> - openSUSE:Education-Li-f-e 14:40:28 <terrorpup> but you can take Gnokii doc and yours an lay a good ground works to start from 14:40:40 <terrorpup> sorry 46 14:40:45 <suseROCKs> warlordfff, we have some material in existence. gnokii wrote some good articles on this. Basically what we should simply do is review and make sure everything is up to date and move on. And make sure it is properly found on the wiki 14:41:23 <warlordfff> terrorpup confussed 46 or 48? 14:41:40 <terrorpup> yes, I looked too quick 14:42:06 <terrorpup> you don't want to learn on to help teachers warlordfff? 14:43:07 <warlordfff> suseROCKs agree I could expand gnokii's article and develope it more to some pionts but people must give feedback after that starts and correct it where needed 14:43:24 <warlordfff> terrorpup no 14:43:34 <warlordfff> I didn't meant that 14:43:37 <warlordfff> wait 14:43:45 <terrorpup> thank you Kostas as always 14:44:00 <warlordfff> I meant you are talking to me about talking line 46 or line 48? 14:44:23 <terrorpup> I was talking about line 46 14:44:49 <terrorpup> but hand sometmie doesn't work with my brain 14:44:52 <warlordfff> for line 46 and 48 I could make a team effort with others from the Greek team 14:45:20 <warlordfff> we made some thoughts about it anyway yesterday 14:45:32 <warlordfff> and talked about it 14:45:41 <warlordfff> in xariseto festival 14:45:59 <warlordfff> so I could try something 14:46:11 <warlordfff> with the rest of the tem 14:46:15 <warlordfff> with the rest of the team 14:46:41 <terrorpup> cool, I know a guy here called James Taylor, he live in the state above me, that I met that does a lot of work on Education stuff, I want to see if I can get him to help out 14:48:55 <warlordfff> ok 14:49:14 <warlordfff> anyone else could make a try,the more the better 15:05:11 <terrorpup> guys, I am here, I just got page need to look at a server 15:25:36 <warlordfff> terrorpup ping 15:25:43 <terrorpup> yes 15:26:06 <warlordfff> sorry 15:26:15 <warlordfff> nothing 15:32:39 <terrorpup> guys, I need to step away for work. I will try to rush back 15:36:58 <johest> sometimes i really hate customers (must be said) 15:39:47 <gnokii> johest +1 16:06:40 <terrorpup> morning Carlos 16:06:43 <terrorpup> I am back 16:06:53 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: hello 16:08:24 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: really nice words about ambassadors, thank you so much for "we are the front line" 16:08:27 <gnokii> ola amigo CarlosRibeiro 16:08:30 <CarlosRibeiro> awesome mail 16:08:39 <CarlosRibeiro> cool beans, ola gnokii 16:10:29 <CarlosRibeiro> I thinking to get some words from your mail and include in welcome message to the new ambassadors that are always coming 16:10:42 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: do you mind? 16:11:57 <terrorpup> no I don't mind, you are welcome to use them. Some have posted on facebook. 16:12:19 <suseROCKs> hey CarlosRibeiro Got a question for you 16:12:54 <suseROCKs> those cube designs you made. Do they get printed on perforated paper or just regular sheets? 16:14:07 <terrorpup> think about some of those for SCALE 16:14:39 <suseROCKs> yes, trying to figure out the budget for them. But need to know if CarlosRibeiro used special printing or how it works 16:15:32 <CarlosRibeiro> hello suseROCKs how long without news from you. are you ok? 16:15:33 <terrorpup> suseROCKs and CarlosRibeiro are they update to 11.3? Because my sheet was for 11.2 16:15:50 <suseROCKs> well CarlosRibeiro been looking for you for a week :-) 16:16:15 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: up I ithink we have 11.3 version 16:16:23 <CarlosRibeiro> I will check and send to you 16:16:33 <terrorpup> thanks 16:16:46 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: did u the reworks I asked for some months ago? 16:17:19 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: yes I already made it to 11.3 16:17:30 <CarlosRibeiro> I just need to find where is it :D 16:17:39 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: about SCALE 16:17:41 <suseROCKs> so what's the answer CarlosRibeiro? 16:17:45 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: :D 16:18:14 <CarlosRibeiro> I sent my mproposal to be there 16:18:47 <terrorpup> very good, you going to take some Marketing task ;) I know you have a team of thousand to help you 16:19:08 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: just regular print 16:19:20 <CarlosRibeiro> ;) 16:19:20 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, so people cut themselves? 16:19:28 <CarlosRibeiro> yes :( 16:19:40 <suseROCKs> okay 16:19:42 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: the list 16:19:55 <terrorpup> sec 16:19:56 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, how many colors are on that sheet? 16:20:25 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, What's the title of your SCALE submission? 16:20:26 <CarlosRibeiro> no more than 4 , Cyan, Magenta, Yellow and Black.... 16:20:45 <CarlosRibeiro> something like opensource in Brazil 16:20:49 <terrorpup> by the way, a bit off topic by last night I set up my three monitors with sygenry and loving it. 16:21:13 <terrorpup> http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing 16:21:16 * suseROCKs swaps terrorpup's monitors around to confuse his synergy mouse pointer :-D 16:21:17 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: I used this long ago for doing classrooms, synergy really show 16:21:58 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: nice, give some seconds to check what I could hep, over there 16:22:31 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, I'll include you in the thread of the SCALE committee on the next discussion 16:22:37 <terrorpup> opensuse 11.2 <--> opensuse 11.3 <--> Fedora 12 16:22:40 <bugbot> Fedora bug 12 in Red Hat Linux (AfterStep) "With and Without password screensavers are messed up" [Medium,Closed: currentrelease] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/12 16:22:49 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: fine 16:23:04 <suseROCKs> lol terrorpup you confused bugbot :-) 16:23:10 <terrorpup> yes, I noticed 16:23:33 * suseROCKs files a bug against bugbot 16:23:51 <terrorpup> fedora 14 16:23:54 <bugbot> Fedora bug 14 in Red Hat Linux (kernel) "Sound Modules Appear to be missing" [Medium,Closed: currentrelease] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/14 16:23:56 <javier_> lol 16:24:04 <terrorpup> wow 16:24:14 <terrorpup> we have a fedora bugbot 16:24:57 <suseROCKs> well bugbot ties into several bugzllas. Useful for the dev teams 16:27:47 <terrorpup> that's cool, do get me wrong 16:29:00 <terrorpup> CarlosRibeiro, what are you planning to do at SCALE 16:33:55 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: firs I planning to have a lot fun :D 16:34:32 <CarlosRibeiro> second I would like to talk about what we are doing here for public and private schools using opensource 16:36:07 <suseROCKs> anyone know how you can verify trim sizes in gimp? 16:37:03 <suseROCKs> uh oh CarlosRibeiro1 is on 3G again :-) 16:38:04 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: you can click on "Image" > "Resize Image" 16:38:18 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: yes now I'm 3G connection 16:38:20 <CarlosRibeiro> :D 16:38:21 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, yeah that part I know. But I'm asking about trim sizes 16:38:40 <suseROCKs> for printing purposes. making sure that the edges are according to printer specs 16:38:49 <terrorpup> he didn't send me the link 16:40:13 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: I do not understand about trim size, sorry 16:41:18 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: simple 16:41:59 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, when sending to printers, you have to make sure there's no bleed on edges. So if you have for example a 1.5 inch image, the printer might ask that the image be contained within 1.25 inches 16:42:41 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: humm now I got 16:42:51 <suseROCKs> Trim size! :-) 16:43:03 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: what he try to tell u is that u left enough border space for the printer 16:43:51 <suseROCKs> so gnokii Any tips on how to measure that in gimp? 16:43:58 <gnokii> gimp? 16:44:09 <suseROCKs> yes 16:44:30 <nmarques> http://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/12/13/last-indicator-builds/ 16:44:32 <nmarques> ;) 16:44:39 <CarlosRibeiro> I quite sure under "Image" we can see something like canvas size 16:44:43 <nmarques> so... now openSUSE can look like Ubuntu ;P 16:45:10 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: if u need help ping me 16:45:32 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: ;) always 16:46:17 <CarlosRibeiro> specially because you never sleep, and you are always here to help others :) 16:46:25 <gnokii> two thing work with inkscape for the resizibilty and then export what u created as 300dpi pic and import it to scribus 16:46:26 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: equals zombi 16:46:51 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: u get something wrong I am here that others go away ;) 16:47:40 <CarlosRibeiro> ;) 16:50:44 <gnokii> so CarlosRibeiro if u not can do it send it to me 16:54:54 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: ok thanks a lot 16:56:17 <CarlosRibeiro> question about success case 16:57:11 <CarlosRibeiro> does we have any paper to send to some company to make us able to use their case as our success case? 16:57:38 <CarlosRibeiro> example, I would like to send the success case proposal to some company that already use openSUSE 16:58:11 <CarlosRibeiro> to let they to think about and sign that paper and send back to the marketing team 16:58:31 <CarlosRibeiro> this success case proposal, must have some key questions like 16:59:18 <CarlosRibeiro> why do you decided to move to openSUSE? what beneficies do you get moving to openSUSE? 16:59:59 <CarlosRibeiro> did you need to create a kind of a Training course as part of this migration? .... 17:00:05 * gnokii hates bug buddy 17:00:40 <CarlosRibeiro> so they will ready all openSUSE success casse proposal and decide if they allow us to publish that case or not 17:00:56 <CarlosRibeiro> read not ready 17:01:23 <terrorpup> CarlosRibeiro, do companies in Brazil use openSUSE or SLE? 17:02:21 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: we use booth 17:02:47 <terrorpup> ok 17:03:16 <CarlosRibeiro> depends of several needs, like if the system is in production or nt, if the system is for homologate, if the comany need to be comply with some regulamentations 17:03:25 <CarlosRibeiro> like COBIT, Itil, Sox, HiPPA 17:03:47 <CarlosRibeiro> depends, but for sure, where have SLE have openSUSE 17:04:01 <nmarques> do they use openSUSE for Oracle DB deployment ? :) 17:04:38 <CarlosRibeiro> nmarques: of course this is up to the "customer" 17:04:52 <CarlosRibeiro> I do not recomend 17:05:05 <CarlosRibeiro> but for DNS, FTP, APACHE, .... 17:05:12 <nmarques> neither does Oracle ;) 17:05:20 <nmarques> at least no support 17:05:59 <CarlosRibeiro> sometimes they don't need support, they already have smart guys to support their craziest decisios 17:06:01 <CarlosRibeiro> ehehe 17:06:10 <CarlosRibeiro> pretty common here in brazil 17:06:21 <nmarques> yeah 17:06:36 <nmarques> that's why PT Inova� was in technical bankrupcy after 6 months ;) 17:06:36 <CarlosRibeiro> some companies does not buy subscriptions but invest in training 17:07:30 <CarlosRibeiro> so does we have any paper to be used as sucess case proposal or not? 17:08:26 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: about openSUSE 911 17:08:45 <CarlosRibeiro> terrorpup: are yu talking about something similar this http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/feature/17802.html 17:08:50 <CarlosRibeiro> for openSUSE 17:12:01 <gnokii> openSUSE 911 means that we become terrorists? 17:12:57 <terrorpup> I was talk about a card we could pass out at fest with all the import links 17:12:58 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: ehehe maybe we can use openSUSE Band-Aid 17:13:04 <CarlosRibeiro> fo fix any problem 17:13:12 <terrorpup> here in the states 911 the number you call for help 17:13:24 <Dominian> what are we nick naming now? 17:13:31 <terrorpup> maybe 411 would be better 17:13:51 <terrorpup> sense 411 is the number we call for informations 17:13:53 <gnokii> u can call it emergency card, but u can call maybe a cab with the number in germany 17:15:11 <terrorpup> I will remember that next time I am in Germany 17:17:58 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, earlier we were wondering if you'd like to write up the success story about banco do brasil 17:18:54 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: sure but most right is no me to write anything 17:19:11 <CarlosRibeiro> but send the sucecess case proposal with some guide 17:19:21 <CarlosRibeiro> to let they write 17:19:42 <suseROCKs> say again? 17:19:43 <CarlosRibeiro> and send back to us to be published 17:20:07 <suseROCKs> CarlosRibeiro, you're saying to have the customer write the success story? 17:20:19 <terrorpup> no time, what you up to these days then 17:20:28 <CarlosRibeiro> if I write the sucess case for Banco do Brasil will have not the same impact as if Banco do Brasil CIO writes 17:20:36 <suseROCKs> no 17:20:58 <suseROCKs> you've seen success stories, even the ones Novell publishes for their clients 17:21:10 <CarlosRibeiro> at least a letter to send to they to let us write 17:21:27 <CarlosRibeiro> so before we start to write anything we need to be allowed to do that 17:21:30 <suseROCKs> All you need to do is write a short article and interview key people there who were involved and before final publication ask for their review and approval 17:21:41 <suseROCKs> well yes, that's where you come in :-) 17:22:15 <luizmachado> ping CarlosRibeiro 17:22:22 <suseROCKs> you're familiar with the people, you're familiar with the story already. Connect the dots into a nice layout 17:22:22 <CarlosRibeiro> luizmachado: pong 17:22:39 <CarlosRibeiro> suseROCKs: ;) roger that 17:23:12 <suseROCKs> you've touted Banco for a long time. Now let's see it on paper :-) 17:23:18 <suseROCKs> ok I have to run out for a bit.... 17:23:25 * suseROCKs hands the keys over to terrorpup 17:24:14 <luizmachado> CarlosRibeiro: How's are the tasks ? 17:24:40 <terrorpup> luizmachado, we need people take on some 17:24:45 <terrorpup> you like to help out. 17:25:27 <luizmachado> terrorpup: I'm ready 17:26:04 <terrorpup> cool which one 17:26:16 <CarlosRibeiro> luizmachado: http://manugupt1.ietherpad.com/oS-Collab-Marketing 17:26:47 <CarlosRibeiro> really nice to see you have ready to put your hands dirt, thanks a lot luizmachado 17:36:00 <terrorpup> going to get lunch 17:38:28 <luizmachado> CarlosRibeiro: I'm going to write an article about Suse studio, unfortunately we don't have any article in Portuguese about it. 17:38:41 <luizmachado> I think ! 17:44:25 <CarlosRibeiro> luizmachado: I believe alexandre has made some 17:44:36 <CarlosRibeiro> luizmachado: do you remember he from Latinoware? 17:45:03 <luizmachado> CarlosRibeiro: yes, aledr :D 17:45:10 <CarlosRibeiro> that's it 17:45:29 <CarlosRibeiro> but now that I'm think better he has made a article about OBS 17:45:34 <CarlosRibeiro> not Studio 17:45:35 <CarlosRibeiro> ;) 17:46:27 <luizmachado> I can try ! 17:47:20 <CarlosRibeiro> luizmachado: sure if you like I will be here to help in case you need some help 17:49:03 <luizmachado> I'll find a page about it to translate 18:01:32 <suseROCKs> back! 18:01:35 <terrorpup> wb suseROCKs 18:05:45 <suseROCKs> too cold out there terrorpup 18:05:55 <terrorpup> yes, 26 F 18:06:05 <suseROCKs> that's warm :-) 18:06:35 <terrorpup> sorry I need weather between 70 to 80 18:07:23 <suseROCKs> its 14F now and wind chill puts it at -3 F 18:07:57 <terrorpup> with the wind here it feels like 13 F 18:08:13 <suseROCKs> quit competing, you lose! :-) 18:08:29 <suseROCKs> although it could be said in Atlanta, since that's not the norm, its feeling much colder than for us 18:08:54 <terrorpup> there is a reason Atlanta is called Hotlanta not the windy city 18:08:54 <suseROCKs> heck, it was only 3 weeks ago when CarlosRibeiro saw me swimming in the ocean like I was Shamu the Whale 18:09:35 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, You do know that "Windy City" has nothing to do with the wind in Chicago and that Chicago isn't even in the top 10 windiest places in the US? 18:12:22 <gnokii> it means more all ther have some problems with her digestion 18:12:40 <terrorpup> ah, I been to Chicago a lot, I know what the term "The Hawk is out", means I got family around Greys Lake 18:13:44 <terrorpup> so why is the Windy City then 18:14:11 <suseROCKs> terrorpup, it was a term given by a journalist in the early 1900s having to do with politicians blowing a lot of hot air 18:14:50 <suseROCKs> however, when you're downtown, it does feel extremely windy. But that's because the wind from the lake is amplified between the skyscrapers causing a lot of wind tunnels 18:15:27 <terrorpup> yea, I froze my butt on Michigan Ave. 18:17:04 <suseROCKs> took me a few years to get used to the weather when I came back from CA after 15 years. Freezing in winters, and humid in summers. 18:18:03 <gnokii> http://img.susepaste.org/38332343 18:19:47 <gnokii> he nmarques as I said u a secret spy from ubuntu now u use a lilac wallpaper too :D 18:20:03 <suseROCKs> gnokii, it's pretty, but I'm not sure what it represents 18:20:39 <suseROCKs> and that reminds me gnokii I was going to ask you today. Do we have any holiday geekos? like Geeko in a santa hat or something? 18:23:32 <gnokii> plz go to henne, he tells u something about drawings from me 18:29:18 <gh0stwalker> ? why do we need to tell him 18:29:43 <gh0stwalker> sorry, but do you know him? 18:32:31 <baezesteban> hi... 18:32:36 <baezesteban> hi all 18:32:39 <baezesteban> every all 18:34:08 <gnokii> hi baezesteban 18:34:10 <warlordfff> hi 18:35:35 <nmarques> gnokii, yeah... 18:36:19 <gnokii> u know the punishment for wearing wrong uniform and spying? 18:36:36 <nmarques> gnokii, you want something... come and claim it... 18:36:57 <nmarques> gnokii, the PA anthem said the following: 'PA solders fear no war or death' 18:37:11 <nmarques> gnokii, what makes you believe I would fear you or any other man who walks this earth ? 18:37:29 <gnokii> :D 18:38:14 <nmarques> gnokii, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7pTufC2ecM 18:38:16 <gnokii> nmarques: but I am sure u an openSUSE huy and know what the graphic means ;) 18:38:25 <nmarques> gnokii, not my class... but was my drill for some time ;) 18:39:56 <nmarques> thought those people need some lessons on how to march :( 18:41:43 <gnokii> nmarques: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC2F25aOgDs 18:42:17 <nmarques> ahaha 18:42:20 <nmarques> G3 ;P 18:42:24 <nmarques> G3A6 owns 18:43:03 <gnokii> german had no A6 version 18:44:07 <nmarques> hmmz 18:44:19 <nmarques> we call A6 to the G3 with retractable stock 18:44:56 <nmarques> http://www.securityarms.com/firearm/3480 18:45:08 <nmarques> except ours are FBP G3A6 ;) 18:46:13 <nmarques> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4v7o1D9OMI 18:46:18 <nmarques> that''s my former unit ;) 18:46:20 <gnokii> nmarques: there is written how we call it ;) 18:46:25 <gnokii> G3A4 18:48:09 <nmarques> ok... I know it as A6 :9 18:48:14 <nmarques> don't ask me why :9 18:50:01 <gnokii> doesnt matter to me didnt had one ;) 18:54:16 <nmarques> I used the standard version as well 18:55:12 <gnokii> no had first machine pistol and later G36 19:01:44 <izabelvalverde> Hello all 19:01:46 <izabelvalverde> terrorpup all the points at ietherpad were reviewed already? 19:02:22 <gnokii> huhu izabelvalverde 19:02:38 <izabelvalverde> huhu gnokii :D 19:02:55 <CarlosRibeiro> izabelvalverde: ;) 19:03:06 <izabelvalverde> do you know if all points were reviewed? 19:04:00 <carlos_> hola como estan 19:04:20 <terrorpup> no 19:04:51 <gnokii> izabelvalverde: me eats köttbülar today 19:05:39 <javier_> hola carlos_ 19:05:44 <javier_> gnokii: what's that? 19:05:53 <gnokii> a swedish dish 19:06:00 <gnokii> are meatballs 19:06:37 <javier_> ah,nice :) 19:07:06 <gnokii> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b9/Koettbullar_stockholm2006.jpg 19:07:09 <terrorpup> I have asked to review a while back 19:07:43 <izabelvalverde> terrorpup ok I couldn't stay here all day long so Can I write an email about few points? or point at ietherpad? 19:08:00 <terrorpup> either works forme 19:08:32 <izabelvalverde> ok thank you 19:08:46 <jospoortvliet> @ javier_ looks good 19:08:48 <carlos_> Hi I'm from Ecuador, 19:09:00 <terrorpup> no thank you izabelvalverde 19:09:03 <jospoortvliet> hi carlos_ 19:09:04 <jospoortvliet> :D 19:09:09 <gnokii> hi carlos_ 19:09:11 <terrorpup> jospoortvliet, about time 19:09:17 <carlos_> :) 19:09:17 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: purple? 19:09:28 <javier_> yummy 19:09:48 <CarlosRibeiro> ehehe 19:09:50 <gnokii> huch jospoortvliet is back from lunch 19:09:54 <CarlosRibeiro> jospoortvliet: yes I'm purple 19:10:12 <jospoortvliet> CarlosRibeiro: so what did you smoke? ;-) 19:10:19 <jospoortvliet> can I have some? ^^ 19:10:27 <CarlosRibeiro> I cannot say that in public irc ;P 19:10:31 <CarlosRibeiro> :P 19:10:48 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: isnt necessary he lives in a country where u can get it easy 19:12:03 <CarlosRibeiro> gnokii: wow If I tell this to some friends they will wish to move over there 19:14:31 <izabelvalverde> terrorpup I'll write an email cause if something has been talk you can just put away :D 19:16:37 <terrorpup> ok 19:57:30 <nmarques> darix, is this normal on OBS: "syswrite: No space left on device" 19:57:43 <CarlosRibeiro> brb 19:59:17 <javier_> sometimes I get that on obs as well 19:59:31 <javier_> in those cases, I trigger a rebuild 20:15:40 <tigerfoot> javier_: seen that too yesterday ... 20:15:51 <tigerfoot> if you want place, stop rebuilding kde :-) 20:16:44 <javier_> nein! ;-P 21:09:35 <CarlosRibeiro> CarlosRibeiro: back 21:19:45 <gh0stwalker> wb 21:24:58 * gnokii go for a smoke 21:29:18 <javier_> !smoke 21:29:35 <javier_> no SUSEhelp for him 21:31:25 <gnokii> javier_: :D 22:15:48 <javier_> ;) 23:20:37 <gnokii> CarlosRibeiro: ? 23:28:57 <CarlosRibeiro> CarlosRibeiro: yes 23:30:40 <gnokii> in my office 23:30:48 <CarlosRibeiro> :) 23:33:20 <javier_> everybody in gnokii's office,,,partayyyyyy ;) 23:55:52 <suseROCKs> #endmeeting