16:00:54 #startmeeting 16:00:54 Meeting started Tue Nov 30 16:00:54 2010 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:54 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:01 #chair AJaeger 16:01:01 Current chairs: AJaeger suseROCKs 16:01:06 #chair jospoortvliet 16:01:06 Current chairs: AJaeger jospoortvliet suseROCKs 16:01:39 Alrighty folks, let's get this show on the road! 16:02:17 So dearly beloved, we are all gathered here to further promote the great openSUSE Project 16:02:29 amen 16:03:01 First thing I would like to do is remind everyone that AJaeger will be on parental leave beginning Dec 14th 16:03:27 So if there are any pressing matters you need his assistance on, speak up! 16:03:34 * AJaeger hides 16:03:43 AJaeger, If you're around, is there anything you'd like to say on this matter? 16:03:51 * jospoortvliet looks up AJaeger 16:04:09 jospoortvliet, just part your hair in the middle and you'll see him 16:04:19 suseROCKs: Mmmh - I look forward to come back after two months and see an even more outstanding marketing team! ;) 16:04:26 suseROCKs: doesn't help, his chair is empty 16:04:34 :-) 16:04:53 Will it be possible to ask Jacqueline to join this channel ? 16:04:59 ok, words to be inspired by. You all heard it first here from AJaeger Let's live up his dream! 16:05:17 psankar: possible, yes, good idea even. aj, what do you think? 16:05:18 psankar +1 16:05:20 Since jospoortvliet will be online most of the times, we may not need her online but it will be good if she can. 16:05:22 psankar: Yeah, should be. 16:05:33 okay. thanks. 16:05:47 #action Ask Jacqueline to be online in the Marketing Channel 16:05:48 psankar: Send her a friendly email and invite her, please! 16:05:51 AJaeger aske you and her some promo stuff... 16:06:03 AJaeger, okay. sure thing. I shall do that . suseROCKs make it an AI on me. 16:06:05 suseROCKs: action needs name :D psankar will say 'yes' now anytime... 16:06:13 #undo 16:06:13 Removing item from minutes: 16:06:13 said already :-) 16:06:17 (ok that was just a tad too late) 16:06:22 lol 16:06:24 never answered 16:06:24 twice 16:06:32 #action psankar to extend a lovely invitation to Jacqueline to join us in the Marketing Channel 16:06:38 :-) 16:07:00 warlordfff: Please reply and I'll discuss tomorrow with her. 16:07:01 ok anything else on this matter of filling in AJaeger's big shoes? 16:07:12 reply? 16:07:20 just that we'll miss him... 16:07:21 reply to your email 16:07:34 I replied 16:07:37 * AJaeger will miss you as well... 16:07:42 warlordfff: Again ;) 16:07:45 ok 16:07:56 #action jospoortvliet and others to miss AJaeger during his absence. This is a top-priority action item 16:08:25 RTFL 16:08:28 make AJaeger t-shirt with we miss you 16:08:31 Thanks for that! 16:08:39 ok next topic 16:08:57 #topic Marketing Team Meeting | Topic: meeting schedule 16:09:32 So I'd like to take a minute to get some opinions here. We have twice a month meetings. Do we feel that is useful/productive for us? Too frequent? Just right? 16:10:27 no its unproductive 16:10:37 * psankar is missing most of the meetings these days due to personal issues and so cant comment :( 16:10:41 well some of you might know I often rather work via mail - but I have little right to talk, not been here for a while... 16:10:41 I believe for now are just right but later we might could use some more 16:10:54 Yes too frequent imo too 16:11:19 warlordfff: manugupt1: what do the meetings offer you that is hard to do otherwise? 16:11:21 I'm leaning personally toward once a month meetings, but I fear if some people can't make it, its a long time to the next meeting date 16:11:37 manugupt1: I said unproductive not too often! 16:11:53 hello 16:11:56 find all people together when you remember something mostly 16:12:23 for me 16:12:29 at least 16:12:33 warlordfff: yes, that is a good point. But we often talk in all directions, some action items are created (but I feel they are not very often followed-up) etc 16:12:35 warlordfff, the problem is the meetings are becoming too stale these days and more focus needs to be on actual work (as Jos also points out) 16:12:37 warlordfff, that is there but in two weeks action items are not covered action items needs to be covered too 16:12:56 ok 16:13:25 This is also relevant as we enter the holiday season and our time becomes stretched with other things until at least mid-January 16:13:27 we need to followup on action items and get them done - too often they get forgotten completely 16:13:33 I can work both ways 16:13:39 gnokii: arguments can help if you want to be heard, otherwise it doesn't help much to just say 'unproductive'. just fyi :D 16:13:54 I think meetings can be like per 3 weeks basis and have time frames decided for actions 16:14:03 AJaeger, sure, but I don't think that action items and meetings have to go hand in hand 16:14:07 warlordfff: sure, we don't doubt that - but if the meetings provide real value we should keep them of course 16:14:15 AJaeger: the problem is not that we to often meet, the problem is the schedule is overfilled with stuff instead woring on one thing and bring it to an end 16:14:17 manugupt1: good point on timeframes 16:14:39 gnokii: yeah they are probably filled with too much stuff sometimes. 16:14:44 and discussions can be endless 16:15:04 so let's take a quick straw poll right now... Do we want more or less meetings? 16:15:05 (at least with mail it's organized in threads - if you have a proper mail client of course) 16:15:15 less 16:15:21 jospoortvliet, you use Outlook too? :-) 16:15:31 stupid question: Shouldn't the meetings be somehow related to the work flow and seasonal demands ? 16:15:32 Less per 3 week meetings imo 16:16:12 nmarques, sure, but these days we're having meetings just for meeting sake, and that is unproductive for many of us who have to juggle scheduling time 16:16:13 nmarques: sounds sexy but what does it mean in real life... of course we wouls have more meetings if there is something to discuss. @gnokii I think it'd be good to have on-topic meetings sometimes 16:16:56 jospoortvliet, and those "on-topic meetings" are the collaboration days we will be talking about soon. To me, Collaboration days will yield more fruits than our regular meetings 16:17:03 jospoortvliet, means that if you need a meeting you call for one... if you don't... then you don't call for one :) 16:17:06 anyway I believe we should have a meeting before 24/12 16:17:19 suseROCKs, +1 for that 16:17:47 ok so here's my proposal: 16:18:16 jospoortvliet, there are times where you have more traffic then you might need more meetings and times when you don't have much traffic so you quite don't need so much meetings... Practical example: the 2 months before a release or so should be weekly meetings, while in the middle of a life cycle we won't have such a overkill on workflow 16:18:20 We move to once-a-month meetings, and as such, we focus more on the discussions that come about on mail threads. If there are specific needs for on-topic meetings, we will call them as needed. 16:18:43 * gnokii hates maildiscussions 16:18:45 nmarques: yeah, we all understand that. 16:18:56 suseROCKs +1 16:19:01 gnokii: for some things mail works better (you can and have to think about it) for others irc is better... 16:19:11 suseROCKs: +1 16:19:14 Yes.. one more thinkg suseROCKs we post our action and info items to the MLs after the meet so that everyone knows it and help if they wish to 16:19:30 manugupt1: +100 16:19:32 god one 16:19:39 would be good yes, at least for me 16:19:39 jospoortvliet: thats right never said that isnt so 16:19:43 (I use mail as todo) 16:19:43 manugupt1, yes. and with less meetings, we'll be able to focus on more of those "administrative tasks" instead of spending so much time planning for a meeting 16:20:10 ok so I'm seeing a general consensus for my proposal. 16:20:44 and I propose 3rd Tuesday of every month henceforth (starting in December) 16:21:02 Hi... for my experience less meeting make people less informed... after a month is more like vacations return 16:21:04 final ayes and nays before we move to next topic.... 16:21:22 izabelvalverde_: +1 16:21:34 izabelvalverde_, true. But at the same time, there's more people on the mailing list than in the meeting channel. 16:22:00 suseROCKs yes 16:22:06 time is a problem 16:22:13 often times people in the community who do not participate on IRC accuse those of us in openSUSE channels of being part of a clique. Our methods need to reach more broadly 16:22:14 for some 16:22:15 suseROCKs: yeah so we can and should keep ppl up to date there. (which does mean I should catch up hehe) 16:22:23 suseROCKs: +1 16:22:27 sure, sometimes people can't be part of meetings but once a month is not that good 16:23:03 izabelvalverde_, okay. So do you have a proposal for something different? Or do you think it should stay at 2x a month? 16:24:19 I believe nmarques proposal is good... and also keep meeting page updated 16:24:49 for who ever reads it... 16:25:00 +1 16:25:08 izabelvalverde_: nmarques +1 16:25:26 I haven't made a proposal, just a remark :( 16:25:27 but nmarques idea was nothing other than: do as many meetings as needed 16:25:32 But it is updated I saw it now izabelvalverde_ 16:25:33 well +1 from me too 16:25:33 which is fine 16:25:44 Let's be excellent with updating meetings page and informing the opensuse-marketing mailing list about what was discussed here - there will always be people that miss a meeting... 16:26:08 so stick with the same 2x scheduling? 16:26:20 AJaeger, any way we can link the topic bot to a twitter account? :) 16:26:23 Can I say something a bit different? 16:26:27 suseROCKs: I propose: have meetings once a month, then if needed we do more 16:26:34 AJaeger, that would probably provide a good update for slackers like myself :) 16:26:35 seasonal... maybe just 1 for December 16:26:36 which we can discuss on ML :D 16:26:40 warlordfff, go for it 16:26:52 AJaeger, and you can retweet even for spreading the word :) 16:27:05 nmarques: ontopic pls 16:27:16 1 mmeting per month but if we have more than x subjects do more 16:27:19 izabelvalverde_: aah ok that makes sense yes 16:27:22 nmarques: No idea how to link topic to twitter... 16:27:30 warlordfff: yup 16:27:43 guys 16:27:45 warlordfff, that's kind of the direction we were going towards :-) 16:27:47 so do what all said 16:27:49 can I make a suggestion ? 16:27:53 before we close this topic ? 16:27:56 sure 16:27:57 so how about we do a minimum of 1 per month, discuss EVERY meeting on the ML before to gather subjects and if there are many things to discuss we do meetings more often 16:28:03 even every week if we're busy :D 16:28:20 a meeting has usually 1 hour... why don't we get a wiki page and enter the topics... when we have topics for a meeting, then someone coordinates de meeting and makes it happen 16:28:46 that way we will need to visit often the wiki page (thus keep us more informed) and we will have as much meets as we need 16:28:49 practical example 16:29:00 Andreas needs 20 minutes for OBS related topic 16:29:05 he goes there and fills in it 16:29:14 nmarques, there's only one minor flaw in that. If someone has a topic that needs attention, he/she should just do it. not wait until eventually a meeting finally comes around. 16:29:17 when we have like 50 mins of submissions... we make a meeting 16:29:24 wiki's don't work for things that change that often like this, I'd rather coordinate via ML - suseROCKs can keep track of things, after all he will have something to do then :D 16:29:28 nmarques: plz dont make ur 50lines for explanation stuff 16:29:51 exactly jospoortvliet This will help me to refocus on the organization of how we proceed henceforth 16:30:16 gnokii, let nmarques speak. He's not overelaborating. 16:30:21 suseROCKs: ok so how about that as a proposal. We all contribute things via the ML to discuss. suseROCKs keeps track of those things and organizes meetings as often as needed 16:30:26 minimum of 1 per mont 16:30:36 yesssss 16:30:42 Does everyone like that? 16:30:47 thats what I said 16:31:06 I second that too 16:31:08 warlordfff: gooood :D 16:31:14 izabelvalverde_, as I value your organizational experiences. Does the above proposal by jospoortvliet fit? 16:31:14 minimum of 1 per mounth +1 16:31:42 Yes.. what about intended time frame for action items.. do we go with that too 16:32:09 nobody objects, silence is golden and such - izabelvalverde_ a yes from you makes this happen as far as i am concerned :D (agreeing with suseROCKs here) 16:32:18 :) 16:32:23 I believe in any direction given by Jos but I don't belive discussions on ML since if we discuss there why have meeting here? 16:32:34 manugupt1 deadlines created to be broken ;-) 16:32:35 izabelvalverde_: it simply depends on topic 16:32:45 if you can do it on ML, great. Some things just need irc meeting... 16:32:45 but sure at least 1 per month 16:32:46 izabelvalverde_, discutions on mailing are fun, they are recorded for posterity 16:33:04 izabelvalverde_, though they might trigger chaos and havoc as well :) 16:33:04 warlordfff, but that gives us an idea where the team stands too 16:33:13 nmarques when people answered ;-) 16:33:26 manugupt1, with the re-focus now, it will be my duty to maintain the list of action items and push on them according to their reasonable timeframe of execution 16:33:34 manugupt1 yeah just meant that its not critical ,the time 16:33:52 Hello Mates. Sorry for being late 16:33:59 he, we should probably have the flexible rule (as nmarques rightly mentioned) that once a ML discussion becomes bigger than 10 mails it should be a meeting. suseROCKs feel free to use that rule and tell us to shut up at some point :D 16:34:20 suseROCKs: good! I like this direction. 16:34:42 * suseROCKs could never tell jospoortvliet to shut up. he's scared to death of jospoortvliet 16:34:55 jospoortvliet: didnt u see here becomes nearly every maildiscussion more then 10 mail because there want everyone something to say even it was said before 16:35:05 ok so let's go with this proposal and see how it works over the next few months. if it doesn't work, we can switch back to our old schedule. 16:35:13 this proposal discussion is closed now 16:35:16 good rule jospoortvliet but maybe 3 replies per person :D 16:35:36 jospoortvliet, nice rule. reminds me of sankar's_law=>http://psankar.blogspot.com/2009/08/most-wanted-feature.html 16:35:51 psankar, I wsa reminded of that too :) 16:35:59 manugupt1, :-) 16:36:08 #action suseROCKs to reschedule meetings fo 1x a month minimum with additional meetings as needed and on-topic. Workflow to be extracted from mailing list discussions. Action items to be closely monitored and managed by suseROCKs 16:36:13 lol 16:36:33 ok next topic 16:36:42 #topic Marketing Team Meeting | Collaboration Days 16:37:05 Okay, so as we've been discussing lately, we're planning to have Collaboration Days on Mondays in December. 16:37:15 meant to do WORK :D 16:37:21 (just because I like saying that) 16:37:25 and quite timely this topic... it relates to the "on-topic" meetings we alluded to in the last topic 16:37:48 so after discussion with several people, we have the following proposed Collaboration Days schedule 16:38:00 6-December-2010: Ambassador Collaboration Day 16:38:14 13-December-2010: Marketing Materials day 16:38:29 20-December-2010: PR and Social Media Day 16:38:42 oh I should probably mention the moderators for each day :-D 16:38:50 I have a question about something 16:38:57 6th - warlordfff and CarlosRibeiro 16:39:04 fine 16:39:09 13th = lupinstein and suseROCKs 16:39:15 20th = manugupt1 and jospoortvliet 16:39:37 warlordfff: to you and everyone: if you have a question, ASK or don't ask. Don't ask if you can ask a question, it creates fuzz and hard to follow discussion. and when someone is doing a list, like suseROCKs was just doing, please wait. 16:39:43 I have to present some /geeko casemoding and the usb geeko,what day I should do that since is both ambassador and marketing stuff? 16:39:51 lupinstein/terrorpup so there no confusion. 16:40:07 warlordfff: do it on ambassador 16:40:12 or by mail to both :D 16:40:14 jospoortvliet soory ;-) 16:40:17 np 16:40:42 Each moderator group is responsible to plan out the day and set a direction for the day's events. 16:40:49 This should be a WORK day, not a yappy day! 16:41:01 but work is FUN, that's why opensuse is fun :D 16:41:22 jospoortvliet, Its too early to be brown-nosing for a raise. :-) 16:41:39 manugupt1 and jospoortvliet could be in other day? 16:41:39 Ok.. to add on 20th I am not sure because I will be reaching home on 20th itself and am not sure if I will have immediate access to internet at home so if I am not jos will be the only moderator 16:41:41 warlordfff: I have something in my mind that I believe will be good for the Ambassador Collaboration Day, then we can talk in more details later what do you think? 16:41:57 CarlosRibeiro sure 16:42:11 here or private 16:42:12 manugupt1, that's why we have co-moderators :-) 16:42:25 :) 16:42:28 warlordfff: CarlosRibeiro yea discuss ideas in teams in private or here but not during meeting :D 16:42:31 as "one day" is not 8 hours in this international community 16:42:42 manugupt1: we can discuss it, we could secretly move it to tuesday if needed ;-) 16:42:44 20th is a bad day 16:42:48 izabelvalverde_, other eday. other than 20th? 16:42:48 just mail me heeh 16:42:59 24th izabelvalverde_ 16:43:07 25th how about that :D 16:43:09 :) sure 16:43:18 for me better than 20th :D 16:43:22 forget the family and presents and food, just WORK! 16:43:28 +1 16:43:30 lol 16:43:31 have fun!!! 16:43:34 you're all nuts 16:43:38 hehe 16:43:46 * jospoortvliet wants a grouphug now 16:43:48 yeahhhhh we are 16:43:55 I have no problem with moving to a different day. It's more up to the moderators. There s no rigid rule for it being on Monday, only that in last meeting everyone supported a regular Monday schedule 16:44:08 ok back to sane things, manugupt1 and me will come up with a better day if 20 is bad 16:44:14 probably 21 or 22 16:44:26 yes.. 16:44:33 and no it won't be on christmas, my family would butcher me instead of the chicken if I did that 16:44:43 jospoortvliet, it can even be the week before. just don't cram up all our Collaboration Days next to each other or we'll burn each other out quickly 16:44:48 jos you can decide the date... 16:44:49 the whole week is complicated... final week work 16:44:55 nah one day of work should work :D 16:44:58 jospoortvliet, I believe in Nederlands it's a turkey ;) 16:44:58 per week 16:45:21 nmarques: actually both, my parents have a chicken and a turkey. Not an US turkey (like 150 KG) but a small one :D 16:45:35 ok back on topic, so it seems we all like the idea of collaboration days 16:45:45 anyone against it or against the schedule? 16:45:57 jospoortvliet manugupt1 14th to 17th is better :-) 16:46:04 ok so warlordfff and CarlosRibeiro can you both create your abstract for the day and I'll post an announcement broadly about our Collaboration days very soon? 16:46:12 No way iza I will be attending FOSS.in 16:46:19 sorry 16:46:23 :) 16:46:26 izabelvalverde_: don't be sorry :D 16:46:28 ok 16:46:30 just smile 16:46:32 suseROCKs: sure 16:46:34 :) 16:46:40 manugupt1, I see no reason not to ask FOSS.in to postpone their conference. Its not an unreasonable request 16:46:48 suseROCKs: yeah good point 16:46:55 manugupt1: let's do that ;-) 16:47:10 ok let's close this topic until we go completely bazonka and talk bullshit for the rest of the day... 16:47:12 got more to do... 16:47:19 yes suseROCKs jospoortvliet if you were attending that I could have asked them ;) 16:47:24 lol 16:47:47 ok topic is closed! 16:48:29 ok so we have a couple more items: Status of Marketing Jobs and Action Items, both of which are "permanant items" on our agenda 16:48:59 as we are now re-organizing how we run these meetings, I propose we set these two aside while I review both topics indepth this week and if there's anything pressing, I shall poke you all on the ML or directly 16:49:20 you all cool beans with that? 16:49:32 +1 16:49:37 +1 16:49:45 +1 16:50:06 ok then we're on our last topic and still 10 mins left in the hour.... not baaaaaad! Congrats folks! 16:50:07 * nmarques nods 16:50:19 #topic Marketing Team Meeting | Topic: Miscellaneous and Q&A 16:50:45 Ok this is an open floor topic. If there's things you need to bring up or have questions about... now's your time to type away! 16:51:12 Why are there not much photoes from osc10 ? 16:51:17 Is the promodvds@opensuse.org started working 16:51:26 please upload all your photoes. 16:51:36 psankar, cuz my camera got stolen. Didja have to remind me of that? :-P 16:51:47 suseROCKs, :-) 16:52:18 jospoortvliet: goes the trademark back to SUSE or stays it on Novell, ask because have to write that now 16:52:26 psankar, that's actually a good topic to cover in the Social Media collab day. jospoortvliet manugupt1 can you make note of that "How to get more photos visible, etc." 16:53:05 gnokii, afaik, all trademarks belong to Atachmate Corporation. 16:53:06 we should make something like an open gallery 16:53:11 jospoortvliet: suseROCKs could you guys send me that picture that we get just after our Ambassador meeting in last day of latinoware 16:53:12 the trademark stays the same in the same control under the Board until any further announcements. At this time, we have no news about trademark changes 16:53:16 manugupt1: promodvds@o.o starts working 16:53:20 and add phtos of events 16:53:48 suseROCKs: jospoortvliet I would like to use that one for my article about latinoware 16:54:00 CarlosRibeiro, I'll send it to you this afternoon 16:54:03 Attachmate signed already? 16:54:12 suseROCKs: u are really funny, take a promo DVD and read that u are not the man for the trademark ^^ 16:54:17 gnokii: If you do artwork now, it is (C) Novell. The attachmate deal is not closed and as such is not in effect. 16:54:40 thank you AJaeger2 16:54:45 AJaeger2: the artwork is used at release date 16:54:46 CarlosRibeiro: review my article, add things to it, then I will send you the pic ;-) 16:54:50 izabelvalverde_: Signed the intent but the deal is not closed. 16:54:58 gnokii: Nobody knows when the deal closes ;-( 16:54:59 gnokii, The board is assigned as the caretaker of the trademark, even if it is owned by Novell. Questions on the trademark issues should be directed to the board directly. This is not new news to you. 16:55:09 jospoortvliet: ok 16:55:15 gnokii: So, if you create artwork before the closing, just use (C) Novell. 16:55:21 CarlosRibeiro: he, I love you :D 16:55:32 thx AJaeger2 thats the answer what I want 16:55:37 Novell will continue as company and we'll handle that as soon as we have new guidance on that. 16:56:11 hopefull when SUSE is SUSE again maybe there will be some new job opening. 16:56:18 I hope 16:56:19 let's hope! 16:56:27 yeah 16:56:30 so AJaeger2 I can also write that openSUSE is an Novell sponsored project :D 16:56:35 okay, any other questions? 16:56:42 they might need ppl, or lay off ppl - or nothing changes, nobody knows guys & girls :D 16:57:01 gnokii: yes but also sponsored by others like openSLX... 16:57:04 lupinstein, careers.novell.com already allows you to apply iirc 16:57:10 Jos all my prayers still for Novell ;) 16:57:15 anyway just go ahead it's a complicated thing anyway 16:57:17 Just in case I don't get to talk to you over the next month, Happy Holidays. 16:57:20 suseROCKs, no questions, just a heads up 16:57:23 gnokii: Yes, openSUSE has at the meoment Novell as main sponsor. 16:57:28 izabelvalverde_: he, it will be split up so you will have to choose who to pray for :D 16:57:32 nmarques, give us your h ead 16:57:41 lupinstein, you have a collab day to head :) 16:57:43 suseROCKs, on the 11th December we are joining the Portuguese people, present and past related to openSUSE 16:57:57 ah that sentence I can let out but the trademark sentence not 16:57:59 how are we going with openSUSE foundation? any updates? 16:58:07 gnokii: For legal reasons: Write exactly the same text you would have written two weeks ago and ignore attachmate for now - until the deal is closed. 16:58:09 suseROCKs, we are going to explore the possibility of joining and growing in an Iberian perspective alongside with our brothers from Spain 16:58:15 and what about the strategy? 16:58:18 CarlosRibeiro: foundation is a topic for the project meeting 16:58:21 CarlosRibeiro, that's not a marketing quesiton. Ask it during project or board meeting tomorrow 16:58:23 suseROCKs, and picking up our ambassadors :) 16:58:38 suseROCKs: AJaeger2 ok 16:58:48 suseROCKs, I would assume in the future, Portugal and Spain openSUSE wise will merge into an Iberian zone 16:58:54 warlordfff, Same on strategy... Ask in tmw's meeting :-) 16:58:59 suseROCKs, working together to promote openSUSE on the Iberian Peninsula 16:59:32 nmarques, That's very good to hear. We look forward to hearing more about that, and if you need anything let us or the Ambassador Team know about it 16:59:46 suseROCKs, javier_ proposed it and talked to congoncalves 17:00:05 suseROCKs, we will check our concerns on the 11th of December 17:00:20 more power to you guys! 17:00:45 suseROCKs, power corrupts even the purest of souls 17:00:56 suseROCKs, power for the people ;) not for us 17:00:57 now now... don't get all Machiavellian on me 17:01:15 power to the people yeah 17:01:20 Power as in energy not power as in control :-) 17:01:41 but please don't wet your fingers and stick it into an electrical outlet for more power! 17:01:46 ok I guess we can wrap up now 17:01:57 power as the power to make changes 17:02:24 suseROCKs, nice... I brought Machiavelli to openSUSE ;P.... now we can't fail 17:02:35 hahahaha 17:02:46 * suseROCKs closes meeting and goes to re-read "The Prince" 17:02:48 nmarques +`100 17:03:08 Thank you everyone. Glad we covered some good stuff today. Let's get busy in December! 17:03:12 #endmeeting