16:00:59 #startmeeting 16:00:59 Meeting started Tue Nov 2 16:00:59 2010 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:59 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 16:01:33 #topic Welcome to openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting | Topic: Review of oSC BoF on Marketing Priorities 16:02:07 If anyone is here, please wave your hands in the air and shout "Booyah!" 16:03:10 Booyah! 16:03:12 jospoortvliet, CarlosRibeiro Dominian FunkyPenguin gnokii HeliosReds javier kkemenczy manugupt1 michl nmarques rtyler simon123 sshaw yaloki Pingles! 16:03:24 poing 16:03:30 pongles 16:03:37 :) 16:03:37 suseROCKs: sorry gotta leave soon to get a shot for my trip to Brazil :D 16:03:42 . 16:03:42 pong 16:03:51 jospoortvliet, you wimp! 16:03:59 aaaaaaaaah 16:04:01 jospoortvliet: +1 16:04:05 suseROCKs, im not sure how interactive i'll be 16:04:12 jospoortvliet, what? Shots only required if you have been to certain countries. Europe isn't included in the list 16:04:35 Mostly African countries are on the list 16:04:37 suseROCKs FunkyPenguin screw you guys I'm going home 16:04:39 ehm 16:04:41 whatever 16:04:54 srry :D 16:05:03 heh 16:05:24 ouch 16:05:27 ok guys.. and gals we are gathered here today to rejoice in the lovely openSUSE Conference success 16:05:51 and kudos to gnokii for being on the team organizing it and kudos to jospoortvliet for talking about it.... and talking about it... and talking about it... and taaaaaalking about it.... 16:06:00 :) 16:06:11 * yaloki seconds that 16:06:16 ack 16:06:18 yeah, seriously... that dude just won't... 16:06:19 why I always highlighted? 16:06:26 oh he's in here isn't he :) 16:06:32 sshaw: :D 16:06:39 * rtyler wakes up 16:06:42 so several of us managed to find time to have a Marketing BoF. Although the BoF itself was way too short so all we could really focus on was listing what our priorities are for the coming year 16:06:44 yeah I heard rumors that yaloki talked a lot 16:07:23 * simon123 can't find video about yaloki's talk 16:07:26 we *think* he was talking, but we're not sure :-) 16:07:35 simon123: there were no videos... *shrug* 16:07:40 ok so here without further ado are the list of priorities in no particular order.... 16:08:02 Artwork (which Gnokii will handle in terms of corporate branding) 16:08:30 second artwork prioritiy also is what do we, marketing team need for artwork 16:08:41 Branding Consistency 16:09:10 next priority was deterimining what we need for Materials. How do we do better job of organizing and providing a-z as much as possible materials 16:09:22 next... Improving Ambassador Visibility 16:09:32 Next... Buidling up a Writers Brigade 16:09:48 next... gnokii also wants us to consider slogan 16:10:13 and another final one on my list is support services (making sure we, the marketing team, provide the ambassadors with what they need) 16:10:21 the slogan its fine with me, but u should not come up with an new one ! 16:10:43 its on the list cuz you wanted to talk about it. but we can cross off :-) 16:11:00 well IIRC the slogan was voted for a while ago, maybe worth reconsidering 16:11:18 I should note that many of these priorities are contingent on our final strategy statement for openSUSE. 16:11:19 also in order to have something aligned with the strategy :D 16:11:37 yaloki: +1 16:11:51 hey +1 me... I said it first! ;-D 16:11:56 but indeed, once we have something, we need to stick with it for a while 16:12:05 that's quite obvious :) 16:12:26 ok so... does anyone want to add to the list of priorities? 16:12:35 http://typewith.me/pE9agOfff1 16:12:43 team + communication ? 16:12:51 making sure that we have communication channels to everyone 16:13:05 ahh yes, the liaison stuff 16:13:45 at least I remembered also having mentioned that the initial idea with ambassadors was to have local contacts to centralize and translate requests e.g. for DVDs and such 16:13:49 so first one is artwork... branding, etc. gnokii You were going to meet with Nuno on Saturday. Did you get anything useful there? 16:14:12 I did what? 16:14:38 gnokii, Don't you remember? At the artwork BoF, Nuno offered to meet with you on Saturday (last day)? 16:14:46 artwork - where do we organize colaboration ? where we upload files? 16:15:02 sorry but Nuno made a little bit a kind of workshop with javier, but I found that for me not useful ;) 16:15:13 ok 16:15:44 * gnokii one artist princess (me) for a project is already enough 16:16:01 artwork - where do we organize colaboration ? where we upload files? 16:16:06 simon123, good question. can you elaborate on what you see would work well for you? 16:16:10 simon123: wait 16:16:15 suseROCKs: wait 16:16:19 * suseROCKs waits 16:16:25 gnokii: wait 16:16:28 * simon123 too 16:16:28 deadlock! :D 16:16:55 talked with prusnak he take a look after mizmos DesignHub she makes for gnome 16:17:17 simon123: I defintly not plan to upload design stuff to the wiki 16:17:27 so u happy? 16:18:04 is this DesignHub easy for non-technical users to grab artwork? 16:18:18 e.g., avoiding git usage, etc. 16:18:35 I'm not sure why I would be happy or not - the queation was where is the place to upload show cases and ideas - images 16:18:58 I think collaboration tools is one of top 3 priorities 16:19:06 simon123: DesignHub its for sharing ideas made 16:19:17 well I gues gnokii answered that question to some extent. What is prusnak's answer about implementation? 16:19:45 http://live.gnome.org/UsabilityProject/Whiteboard/DesignHub 16:20:12 sure, but are we going to implement it or is it still being thought about for our own infrastructure? 16:20:45 remind him a few days after conf, he said it is on his todo list 16:21:02 but that's just a wiki page, isn't it ? 16:21:20 ok 16:21:20 ah, no, okay 16:21:25 so we can revisit artwork collaboration and branding at a later time 16:21:32 but it's just mockups 16:22:26 yaloki there is a implementation 16:22:40 just as a reminder, folks. When I'm talking about artwork, I'm only speaking in the marketing area. Artwork/Gnokii is a much more broader topic for him to push 16:23:21 ok so let's revisit that when things are in place... and move on to the nest one.... 16:23:38 Ambassadors - Organization, visibility, communication 16:24:02 as yaloki mentioned, we'd like to try to centralize communication in particular regions where there are many 16:24:12 +1 16:24:22 This will help reduce some language barriers, and speed up delivery of materials 16:24:45 and also helps to ensure there is consistent messaging from all of our ambassadors, cuz we don't know everyone and what they're saying out there. 16:25:05 CarlosRibeiro, izabelvalverde any thoughts on improving based on your experiences with the large Brazilian team? 16:25:26 I'm not looking for just answers, I'm looking for also existing issues we need to address 16:25:43 better CarlosRibeiro answer that 16:25:50 Yes have are having some improvement 16:26:07 well, to put it simply, those who can send out material at novell or open-slx do not speak spanish, russian, etc... 16:26:18 but as we do not fisinsh our firstphase of ourr taskks that will be ending at latinoware 16:26:25 and I know that at least some time ago, the former community manager received a lot of requests in non-english languages 16:26:31 suseROCKs: wait a minute, the brazilian team isnt large, when we do the thing we spoke about in the BoF session 16:26:38 then I believe that now is not the best tim to do it 16:26:53 but in genereal results.... we are growing in quality 16:27:00 gnokii, I'm asking for their opinion here and now because they're here. And I think 14 is a good number 16:27:00 numbers of ambassadors 16:27:22 and spread the team in one per states at minimum 16:27:34 CarlosRibeiro, slow down a bit... the question is more about what breakdowns or weaknesses can we improve from marketing team to supply to ambassadors? 16:27:41 how do we improve there? 16:27:48 that make us abe to know everything that is happeing in remotes areas inside brasil 16:28:15 first with consistent meetings during 2 months 16:28:31 makes a lot of diffirence for us 16:28:38 CarlosRibeiro, meetings with the marketing team? 16:28:42 suseROCKs I believe garantee marketing materials is the first step 16:28:49 we really learned how to help each other working in a collaborative way 16:28:55 izabelvalverde, point taken 16:29:10 we had opensuse-pt meetings 16:29:25 CarlosRibeiro, slow down. I'm not asking how things are within the Ambassador team. We are asking, what does marketing team need to do to work better with ambassador team 16:29:29 most focused on marketing, sure but not only about mkt 16:30:07 suseROCKs: I count only 10 in Brazil because such like izabelvalverde be deleted next time! 16:30:25 why would we delete izabelvalverde? 16:30:35 why? 16:30:55 gnokii don't be mad! 16:30:56 because I do not make ur personal page on the wiki with contact data ;) 16:31:13 -i + you 16:31:45 ok... I'll work on it ;) 16:31:51 izabelvalverde: please do :) 16:31:57 but we know she's here and we know she's active. She's been very swamped lately with organizing the Ambassadors for the upcoming Ambassador meeting next week. Give her some credit :-) 16:31:58 I think ambassadors needs to fell more closer if marketing team 16:32:02 it's important to show faces, us being human and all :) 16:32:15 lowers the barrier a bit for people to get in touch with us 16:32:21 yaloki, human? :-) 16:32:27 suseROCKs: there is no discussion! plz because one excuse makes a lot of discussions with others! 16:32:31 well, not me, I'm not, but.. :) 16:32:36 I mean... In brazil we have some ambassadors that believes that we guys from marketing team are like 16:32:46 untouceble 16:32:59 yeah yeah the demigods thingy 16:33:06 I see, CarlosRibeiro. So the ambassadors feel we're unfriendly? 16:33:16 mm.. 16:33:20 not the same thing 16:33:28 suseROCKs: not approachable :) 16:33:32 then this makes a better relationship/ collaboration , integration litle harder 16:33:34 ok 16:33:49 that's an interesting challenge though, when you think about it.... 16:33:59 On the one hand, marketing team should be wholly approachable. 16:34:01 suseROCKs: no, it's not what I mean 16:34:18 On the other hand, marketing team shouldn't have to reach out to all the markets, that's what the regional ambassador leads are for. 16:34:19 they like mkt team, they respect 16:35:08 but they fell they are not closerr that they may like to be 16:35:15 I find it always intersting to speak in the name of ambassadors 16:35:31 CarlosRibeiro: yeah, that's a problem we have at all levels in the project 16:35:48 but in the other way 16:35:48 clearly something we need to fix, but it's difficult, it's also a cultural issue 16:35:58 CarlosRibeiro, could part of the problem be language barriers? I'm curious and want to explore this further on the side 16:36:03 the ambasadors video works wonderfull, i mean, 16:36:10 the feedback was great 16:36:19 when we have time for a stupid question plz let me know :) 16:36:49 we need to be creative and create more things to make possible to ambassadors intereact with each other 16:36:56 yes 16:37:13 ok that's what izabelvalverde mentioned earlier and that is so duly noted 16:37:14 how about ambassador meetings ? 16:37:33 #info Need more marketing materials to supply to Ambassadors 16:37:36 yaloki: that are things we had 16:37:41 okay 16:37:45 I mean on a regular basis 16:37:46 maybe all ambassadors during meetings and speech creates a kind of remote connectoin to allow others ambaassadors to see, to learn, to improve, to give feedback 16:37:50 suseROCKs: what do u for infos? 16:37:51 yaloki, we've done that once earlier this year and it was good But incredibly arduous to find a nice global time :-) 16:37:55 although it must be really tricky with language and timezones :\ 16:38:00 yeah 16:38:07 CarlosRibeiro: yes 16:38:12 suseROCKs: can u take it plz back? 16:38:18 CarlosRibeiro: and getting to know each other a little bit 16:38:22 can I share a couple of thoughts ? 16:38:23 gnokii, Why? 16:38:44 yes, this is really important, we need to know that names and nicks have faces and sould 16:38:56 soul 16:39:00 CarlosRibeiro: +1 16:39:04 CarlosRibeiro, passion :) 16:39:06 because as there was a call which ambassador needs a package with material last time there wasnt a lot of resposne 16:39:30 gnokii: that just means we don't know yet :) 16:39:35 Maybe for the next conference we can start to think to haveAmbassadors meeting toguether 16:39:48 gnokii, it still should be listed as #info that we have a record that we *need* to do this 16:39:49 maybe one day before or after the conference 16:39:50 I like that 16:39:59 either as package kit or as resources on the web 16:40:26 Not every ambassador canattend the conference even though we like it 16:40:37 yeah 16:40:41 Too far too expensive for lots 16:40:48 mmh there was always no problem when material was needed, to say it to AJ or michl and they send it, its only possible to do it with some time 16:40:51 something we hope to address with funding next year 16:40:57 manugupt1: if they will not be able to physically join 16:41:12 they (we) must be able to be part at least virtually 16:41:31 mind if the bureaucrats step in ? 16:41:37 gnokii, material isn't just about physical stuff. Material also includes, slide presentation templates, logos, talking points, etc. etc. We need to do better job organizing it so no one has to look all over for it. 16:41:40 cause I do have a couple of questions 16:41:59 1. how do we measure Ambassadors success (its from that point that marketing should provide the assistance) 16:42:00 who's the bureaucrat? 16:42:11 we need to start to think about that - ambassadors needs to be clever, smart, and work with passion - then we need to find a way to make us even closer 16:42:23 suseROCKs: then u should begin to talk abotu the typewith.me points before that point is done I cant do such stuff! 16:42:35 2. we need probably formal communication (general) and then let have the ambassadors to do local changes required so we don't offende the audiences 16:42:37 we have technology for that :D I'm not sure where but we have 16:42:59 as it's pretty much clear that people throughout the world have different visions about our message and ourselfs 16:43:20 nmarques: +1 16:43:21 I think we can only act, after we know how we can measure success and what is going good or bad 16:43:26 nmarques, answer to 1. Measurement of success is based on visibility. Not any specific metric at this time, but based on getting ambassadors out there and reporting back. That's the sole specific main priority of all ambassadors 16:43:34 we are too far from each other 16:43:53 :( 16:43:54 suseROCKs, if it's for visibility 16:43:58 suseROCKs, we're not helping 16:44:13 suseROCKs, I defend since day one that all active ambassadors should have at least a @o.o 16:44:19 suseROCKs, that's credibility 16:44:27 nmarques: chicken/egg 16:44:34 yaloki, we have to risk it man 16:44:37 we're back to the chicken/egg problem with ambassadors 16:44:42 aaaaaaaaargh, why there ist always that stupid als should have that 16:44:55 gnokii: ? 16:45:02 nmarques, I would not prefer that 16:45:08 nmarques: fedora removed that right and they did it not without a purpose 16:45:10 nmarques: hm, no, I don't think so 16:45:16 gnokii, we are not Fedora 16:45:17 yaloki: mail@o.o 16:45:25 then make an alternative 16:45:26 like 16:45:32 for what? 16:45:32 nmarques, we did discuss that during our BoF. and while I know it does help to boost "superficial" credibility, it doesn't instill credibility. I don't use aliases and I get called on to talk to people lots. 16:45:36 user@ambassadors.opensuse.org 16:45:37 sorry but using @o.o makes you representative of the project, whether you like it or not, willingly or not 16:45:40 one think that I believe we are doing well is working or try to work more closer with the " decision makers" 16:45:48 yaloki, +1 16:45:57 yaloki, and ambassadors are what? they stand for what ? 16:46:00 its more about how you effectively present yourself. Making a strong presence in your words and demonstrations. The alias stuff will follow suit. That's just my opinion though 16:46:01 yaloki, the project? no? 16:46:10 nmarques: well, not yet at this point :) 16:46:32 ambassadors who have proven to be actively contributing to the project can apply for membership and will become members 16:46:32 ok, then we make it simple an ambassador have to be member of the project good by CarlosRibeiro and nmarques 16:46:35 and then have the email 16:46:48 I mean, bring to our side, some influence professor at school or university that we are doing speech 16:46:56 gnokii, makes all sense to me 16:47:04 ??? 16:47:23 gnokii, that raises another question... we need to provide a small training brainstorm to help them becoming members :) 16:47:24 with all due respect, I'm all for giving much more visibility to ambassadors and all that 16:47:27 ok, I really hate coming in the middle of talks, what are you guys talking about 16:47:28 CarlosRibeiro, aren't your words at events more powerful than an email address on a little piece of paper? 16:47:48 lupinstein, we're talking about all the priorities we brought up at the oSC Marketing BoF 16:47:48 don't know 16:47:55 suseROCKs, indeed, but to gather resources for an event you need more credibility 16:48:01 ok 16:48:15 dont know, but always crying for a thing before knowing its really needed 16:48:19 I agree suseROCKs during my last talk the only issue I faced was not doing an install fest people have nicknamed me SUSE over here 16:48:25 lupinstein, and specifically this topic is about what do ambassadors need to do their jobs. And we're back to the age old alias issue again 16:48:30 manugupt1: :) 16:48:42 guys it«'s just my thought 16:48:52 ambassadors should be empowered 16:48:54 there you go manugupt1 ... you made presence! Good job, man! 16:48:55 let's move on to another point 16:49:00 if they are not doing their stuff, we remove it 16:49:00 yaloki, +1 16:49:09 nmarques: once they do something for the project, they will be a member, etc.. 16:49:17 giving email alias is a problem if we have no way to take it away 16:49:17 but then again, how can we ask someone to contribute for us and not empower them to do such ? 16:49:21 but just writing your name on a wiki page doesn't make you a contributor just yet ;) 16:49:22 nmarques, right its hard to get recognition but spoken in the right way people do recognize 16:49:41 anyway, let's move on or we'll spend an hour on this :) 16:49:41 well could I give another cent as how to improve our visibility with quality 16:49:45 nmarques: what did u do until yet for oS? 16:49:49 CarlosRibeiro: please do :) 16:49:49 last one 16:50:03 ok so we covered artwork, we covered ambassadors, we should talk about materials now 16:50:06 gnokii, I am not am ambassador, but I maintain a couple of packages for GNOME:Apps 16:50:10 oh I meant: let's stick with the visibility topic, but let's move beyond the email address thing 16:50:14 I'm figure out master pupets of several project like gimp, blender, cinelerra 16:50:20 gnokii, but I never applied for membership because I don't need the email :) 16:50:24 so why u then talking about? 16:50:30 local ones, like brasilian references for xen, gimp, inkscape 16:50:40 nmarques: yes because u have a fedora address 16:50:40 blahblahblha, then I start to convert this guys 16:50:49 CarlosRibeiro: that would be mostly translations, right ? 16:50:50 showing why not use blender under SUSE 16:50:53 is much better 16:51:15 the results are so nice 16:51:23 gnokii, some people specially students feel that they need to have official recognization because elders wont thing them as a kid also that might put weight on their cv 16:51:29 CarlosRibeiro: what sort of audience are you talking about? 16:51:35 because they already had their people that follow them 16:52:05 gnokii, my account on fedora is inactive 16:52:07 CarlosRibeiro, Those are "talking points' and if we have reason to demonstrate why for example Blender works better on openSUSE, then it should be listed on talking points page 16:52:07 I'm talking about desing, but this example could be done and possible with any segment or auience 16:52:12 manugupt1: sorry but I give a shit about the "feel" whens really needed then we find a solution 16:52:15 gnokii, so I don't have the @fedoraproject.org active 16:52:16 Well, to to stir things up, but I think we need people to host parties, request and give aways DVD, be more active on opensuse mailing list/forums answer and helps, twit, blog and write. Kits would be nice, but lets be real, we don't have money to create kits. At least the Ambassador could get a shirt. 16:52:20 gnokii, I never actually used it :) 16:52:23 but for a "feel" definitly not 16:52:30 gnokii: language, please 16:52:47 guys, blender, inkscape, audience ... thiss is not the case, not what really matter 16:52:53 lupinstein: not _yet_ ;) 16:53:06 what I trying to say is that if we find good references in other areas 16:53:31 yaloki: by shirt, I mean the one we already have printed. 16:53:31 our mission to gain visibility, quality and achieve our goals could be much easier 16:53:40 lupinstein: I was talking about budget 16:53:47 ok 16:54:02 we have a budget or we are getting a budget? 16:54:24 we're kissing up to *get* a budget :-) 16:54:32 we will most probably having a budget with the foundation 16:54:36 s/having/have/ 16:54:46 it's still a moving target though, but it's not unlikely at all 16:54:46 Ok.. I have an idea tshirts / shirt desgns to at the artwork portal or somewhere 16:55:00 guys 16:55:00 ok 16:55:04 let's try to re-focus a bit on the topic 16:55:06 can I make yet another stupid question 16:55:10 we're going everywhere right now :) 16:55:11 no 16:55:13 we have costs on t-shirts, media and all of that 16:55:21 ok stop folks 16:55:21 and what benefits are we taking from it ? 16:55:36 we're all over the place now... let's pull back 16:55:40 gnokii, what feedback do we get from handling such things ? 16:55:57 one thing at a time please :) 16:55:59 because if we don't know that, we will never be able to pull a budget :) 16:56:05 suseROCKs: I need to work with you some time this week so I can get a paper into SCALE. 16:56:06 we are done on the ambassador topic. we identified what we need to do to work better and we'll address how to do that 16:56:18 umm are we 16:56:33 could we at least identify a few action points about ambassadors ? 16:56:37 suseROCKs: where is actions for ambassadors 16:56:40 lupinstein, ok keep that going, as I'm under time constraints these days so the more you ping me via email for feedback the more I'll answer you 16:56:41 Yes 16:56:59 the action points we need to deal with for ambassadors is .... 16:57:00 well do 16:57:05 yaloki: +1 that drives me crazy and always begins the same stupid thing abotu mailaddresses next ist then an uniform 16:57:06 - Ensure better access to materials 16:57:15 nice 16:57:22 gnokii: language please 16:57:28 - Build stronger relationships with the Ambassadors, by having periodic meetings together 16:57:36 gnokii, you need to listen 16:57:46 /ingore nmarques 16:58:02 quarter report for ambassadors fits well i think 16:58:07 suseROCKs, please log it under action or info 16:58:22 manugupt1, last time I did that, I got yelled at :-) 16:58:25 but I'll do it again 16:58:31 CarlosRibeiro: yeah but more regular meetings could be more interesting in the beginning (now) to get people to connect a bit 16:58:36 CarlosRibeiro, and what will ambassadors report if we don't have a clear goal or a way to evaluate their work :( or do we ? 16:58:39 #action build stronger relationships with the Ambassadors by having periodic meetings together 16:58:50 #action provide better material access for ambassadors 16:59:15 yaloki: funny remeber they requested a special irc chan for that since days I am alone there with HeliosReds 16:59:20 nmarques: reports is a way to measure others commitement 16:59:25 I think is important 16:59:30 nmarques, we do. Its called a report after every event. Most ambassadors already do that, and we're going to try to make sure they get visible in news.o.o as well 16:59:31 but maybe not for this time :D 16:59:46 suseROCKs: right, that last bit is important 16:59:54 They already are nmarques IMHO 16:59:54 publishing that beyond just the ambassador list 17:00:15 They do come up on our weekly newsletter 17:00:39 we (aj, jos and me) just have to figure out how to get these reports properly published on news.o.o since not everyone has access there yet. 17:00:39 myeah 17:00:50 * nmarques wonders if we should have 'Ambassadors' or just plain 'Activists' 17:01:15 hello amonthoth 17:01:20 Activists? Nah, that's not what they do. They're not all a bunch of hippies. 17:01:21 nice to see you back 17:01:32 But let's not do the naming thing in this meeting. We can talk about that directly in an Ambassador meeting 17:01:49 an activist is someone which organizes activities 17:01:50 :) 17:02:03 next steps? 17:02:06 like campus workshops, install fests and stuff :) 17:02:19 +1 nmarques 17:02:21 folks, we really have to get to a point where we can focus on specific items in a meeting 17:02:24 CarlosRibeiro: hello 17:02:39 yaloki: welcome to marketing meeting 17:02:45 yeah yaloki. Everyone wants to talk like a broken egg. :-) 17:02:56 during this meeting, we've been discussing into every single direction, which is understandable because there is so much stuff to talk about and work on 17:03:01 but the result is: no result at all 17:03:04 So, as I've said now for the umpteenth time... Ambassador topic is done. 17:03:18 yaloki: +1 I said that thousand times before 17:03:18 suseROCKs: _1 next? 17:03:29 More can be discussed on specific details of Ambassador needs in an Ambassador meeting 17:03:42 suseROCKs: okay, probably not a bad idea 17:03:43 Next priority to discuss (15 minute limit!!!!!) is materials and resource access 17:04:11 until the foundation has a budget, material and resources are pretty much limited to electronic stuff 17:04:19 well, and sending out DVDs 17:04:30 Where do we feel is our accessibility to the materials we have. Do we have enough, what can we build up more on (e.g. more slideshows?) etc. 17:04:34 so, do we already know what material we want to have ? 17:04:50 did we receive any feedback from ambassadors on the sort of material they'd like to have ? 17:04:52 yaloki, +1 17:05:03 yaloki, your quesiton in regards to physical stuff as in "what more do we want?" 17:05:10 I did not receive much i need to confess 17:05:21 suseROCKs: or.. "what do we want", without the "more" :) 17:05:39 banners, t-shirts, gizmos, DVDs, stickers, flyers, folders, ... 17:05:39 if someone will not be responsible for push ambassadors to answer taht important question 17:05:44 I can do that 17:05:50 but most of that cannot be sent out to ambassadors without monies 17:05:51 CarlosRibeiro, go for it 17:05:57 CarlosRibeiro, being shy won't help :) 17:06:04 CarlosRibeiro: yeah, ideally, that feedback should come from them 17:06:10 yaloki, we have a tentative budget for banners. We put it on hold until after the conference because gnokii wants further clarification on artwork before we spend on it 17:06:13 CarlosRibeiro: what are you need help with? 17:06:17 CarlosRibeiro: that would really help, they're out there in the field :) 17:06:31 suseROCKs: okay, who's budget? Jos? 17:06:36 yes 17:06:38 sure always bringing reports and feedbacks 17:06:40 okay, good 17:06:51 CarlosRibeiro: I'm afraid that will need poking them :) 17:06:52 yaloki, we intend to have regional banner-masters 17:07:05 okay 17:07:16 do we have a list of things we think are needed yet ? 17:07:18 izabelvalverde, you brought up need for more reference to materials online. Can you give examples where you'd like to see more of something? 17:07:30 yaloki, that's what we're trying to determine now :-) 17:07:38 okay, good :) 17:07:44 for me... flyers and folders are the best start 17:08:04 izabelvalverde, we don't have enough or? 17:08:05 okay 17:08:08 and folders? 17:08:18 * gnokii had some nice ideas wit hJos what we can make, when then a generally CI is made for openSUSE 17:08:32 hmhm 17:08:42 * suseROCKs would like to see more flyers/brochures for targeted audiences 17:08:43 but not that simple I guess 17:08:47 suseROCKs: yeah 17:08:52 and not cram everything into one 17:08:53 CI means? 17:09:00 simon123: corporate identity, I guess :) 17:09:25 yaloki, exactly. We need to be able to think outside the box and not always preach to the choir. 17:09:25 stupid question, why does a open community needs a 'corporate' identity ? 17:09:34 ok, so we need to define artwork CI before being able to finalize flyers and such 17:09:41 isn't that more in the scope of Novell/SUSE Linux (and not openSUSE) ? 17:09:48 nmarques: well, just a common style/palette/... 17:09:52 nmarques: can u contribute something not stupid? 17:09:53 yaloki, and we need to finalize the strategy stuff too 17:10:00 yaloki, visual identity :) 17:10:03 yaloki: +1 17:10:09 yaloki, might not be corporate 17:10:09 nmarques: okay, yes, that's a better term :D 17:10:15 gnokii, ease up 17:10:20 "VI" it is then :) 17:10:29 * yaloki always thought it was emacs but ok.. :) 17:10:34 clarify image visibility of artworks to make t-shirts, dvd, cover, banners, posters,....so we can make our own resources meanwhile foundation is settle down 17:10:39 heh yaloki 17:10:54 amonthoth, portability is the key there 17:11:08 amonthoth, expensive good looking stuff usually have high costs :) 17:11:16 ok so umm.... here's what I'm hearing now. we're at a standstill because we need our strategy and branding stuff finalized. (I'm not sure I agree with this) 17:11:21 amonthoth, we need things to be more portable so we don't waste much resources on that :) 17:11:39 suseROCKs: true 17:11:40 we should still be able to develop targeted slides and then add the artwork to it later on 17:11:44 suseROCKs, if you don't, +1 17:11:44 we need the VI for artwork 17:11:48 no I like corporate term but could be for anther time this discussion best with some beer in hands 17:11:49 and we need the strategy for the content 17:12:01 yaloki around Brazil even for foss stuffs if looks corporate/professional get better 17:12:17 yaloki: plz take a look to the typewith.me 17:12:19 izabelvalverde: well, "visual identity" doesn't mean it can't be beautiful and consistent :) 17:12:33 gnokii: could you please post the URL again ? 17:12:34 right 17:12:39 nmarques: i understand portability. if we put artworks online with the right image at least we can get some money from contributors locally 17:12:54 izabelvalverde: +100000 17:13:01 http://typewith.me/pE9agOfff1 because u can begin the **** discussion without that the strategy is finished 17:13:20 amonthoth, what I mean with portability is more like... things should be done so we can use the materials without much modifications for several ends :) 17:13:30 amonthoth, quick example... imagine the cube stuff made by carlos 17:13:58 nmarques: i got it now 17:14:02 alrighty so umm 17:14:14 Buidling up a Writers Brigade 17:14:17 ok, I have to leave, kids are back home, talking to you later folks 17:14:32 http://typewith.me/SJyuL5FSEn 17:14:42 how about if we do this... let's all take a look at what we have together... and think of where we could build up... then have a online hackfest one day (maybe in Dec) to quickly hash out lots of new materials 17:14:42 amonthoth, it has unnecessary logos on parts that are never seen when assembled, this increases production custs without benefits... It could also be sized for A4 or A3 papers... so actually any people could print it out and make it. It's cheaper to get a toner for the printer than have to pay to the printing industry for professional printing... 17:14:46 amonthoth, that kinda stuff :) 17:15:57 suseROCKs, I would like to have an hackfest 17:16:09 anyone else kool with that proposal? 17:16:24 +1 17:16:26 I am attending it provided it is after 20 th 17:16:38 can u please give ur colors a name that sucks! 17:16:51 Also if there is this hackfest I will publicise good in India 17:17:08 ok 17:17:10 let's do it then 17:17:25 #action organize an online hackfest for developing marketing tools in December 17:17:43 atm i am trying to get posters and banners spanish translation. the actual spanish traslation artwork is not good enough for oS image 17:17:50 and with that, I'd like to wrap up the meeting with a few words 17:18:17 We spend a lot of time quibbling on specific tiny tiny details instead of focusing on the high level overviews of our team needs 17:18:35 We need to start doing a better job of focusing because we end up more unclear and ambivalent than when we started the meetings 17:18:59 that is because i thought making artworks available at least to modify the text content 17:19:05 suseROCKs: define "marketing tool" 17:19:18 So please folks... discussion about topics need to stay focused. And when we get into nitty gritty stuff like printing, etc. put them in discussions with those who can make it happen for the better. Not for the whole team meeting. 17:19:32 gnokii, I think he meant 'marketing asset' ;) 17:20:00 suseROCKs: I posted meeting schedule on http://typewith.me/SJyuL5FSEn 17:20:00 tools, assets, sure. We need to be clear on what we need to provide others to do the job 17:20:25 As i have been saying repeatedly, everyone in openSUSE is a member of the marketing team, they just don't know it yet. And to that effect, if we aren't organized better, they can't participate easily 17:20:29 suseROCKs, mind if I do a critic ? 17:20:46 when aren't you, nmarques? :-) 17:20:48 suseROCKs, we have a lot of muscle and brains, but we're missing a skeleton :) 17:20:59 +1 nmarques 17:21:00 suseROCKs, that's what is actually missing 17:21:12 suseROCKs, a work method :) 17:21:36 suseROCKs, I'll help on that and I'll work on the mix for this :) 17:21:39 I wanted to remind that openSUSE-11.4-MS3 is coming soon and I would like to see the most_annoying bugs wiki page linked 17:22:09 bmwiedemann, yes I'm drafting up the release announcement for MS3 17:22:09 and I would like to propose something as well, something I can't achieve 17:22:16 ok 17:22:23 can we have a 5 step 'how to submit a proper bug report' ? 17:22:24 :) 17:22:49 so we can help bmwiedemann and everyone on development by educating people and ask them to contribute at least as submiting bug reports 17:23:09 yaloki, don't we have ^^ already somewhere? 17:23:12 I can't build such document due to... well... lack of expertise :) 17:23:19 improve this http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports 17:23:24 yes 17:23:25 there ya go 17:23:37 so go fetch something to eat 17:23:47 a bit too complex for people 17:23:54 simon123 is faster than me 17:24:15 ok so let's conclude now 17:24:37 I want to thank eveyrone for their attendance and I shall see everyone hopefully in 2 weeks time 17:24:41 Thanks! 17:24:45 #endmeeting