15:03:46 #startmeeting "Welcome to openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting" 15:03:46 Meeting started Tue Aug 10 15:03:46 2010 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:03:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:03:59 #chair AJaeger 15:03:59 Current chairs: AJaeger suseROCKs 15:05:06 #topic Welcome to the openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting | Topic Introduction | Agenda @ http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_meeting 15:05:22 Hiya Folks.... Everyone awake and ready to get busy? 15:05:34 I'll be here as much as I can ! 15:05:35 :) 15:05:36 Good morning and awake 15:05:36 Not anymore ;) 15:05:40 Awake.. 15:05:52 hi all 15:05:59 Awesome, folks! Ok, let me print the agenda here for our records.... 15:06:07 1. Opening Comments (5 mins) 15:06:07 1. Old Action Items (10 mins) 15:06:07 1. | See List 15:06:07 1. Recap of openSUSE Ambassadors meeting on 3-Aug-2010 (10 Min) 15:06:07 1. What's next? 15:06:08 2. Anything Marketing team can do to assist Ambassadors? 15:06:10 1. openSUSE Conference (10 mins) 15:06:12 1. How are we doing? Everything on track? 15:06:14 1. Wiki Cleanup (15 mins) 15:06:16 1. Organization of pages 15:06:18 2. Organization of resources 15:06:20 1. Miscellaneous Topics which may include: 15:06:22 1. Education/Helping Hands revival? 15:06:24 2. openSUSE Shop 15:06:26 3. Upcoming events 15:06:28 4. Others? 15:06:36 Let's quickly jump into Action Items 15:07:02 suseROCKs: all: sorry I will have to try out a network stick thingy, might fall off-line 15:07:10 but it will aid me in having this meeting while sitting in a beer garten 15:07:17 so it is for the good of humanity and beer drinking 15:07:27 #topic openSUSE Marketing Meeting | Topic: Action Items 15:07:54 AJaeger, Have you pinged SUSEStudio yet? 15:08:10 Yes, first chat this morning, more to come 15:08:16 ok 15:08:40 jospoortvliet, Have you thought of a marketing topic (or request a slot to be reserved) for the openSUSE Conference? 15:08:53 Btw. should we mark those directly that are done in the wiki once they are done? 15:09:11 suseROCKs: I have not yet come up with something 15:09:16 spend some time brainstorming but no result 15:09:18 yet 15:09:25 AJaeger, yes, I will be doing that, but folks should mark it as done on their own if they can 15:09:53 jospoortvliet, Ok, at least notify the planning committee that you want a slot. We can always figure out something as time comes by 15:10:02 suseROCKs: done 15:10:26 AJaeger has created the ambassador mailing list, and I'm very appreciative of the amount of traffic we have there so far. Very good 15:11:15 AJ and I have created the open jobs page, its a continual WIP, but here it is: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_jobs 15:11:34 very bad! Its my opinion and this time u have to accept my opinion on that topic 15:11:36 Please review and add jobs if you think there's anything relevant, or volunteer to take on a job. 15:11:48 gnokii, which topic is that? 15:12:08 the topic mailinglist 15:12:20 okay, state your opinion 15:13:06 traffic isnt a yardstick 15:13:34 especially when traffic is from marketing list 15:13:52 well it is a new list, give it time 15:14:11 suseROCKs: +1 15:14:45 I think people need time to understand and separate what belongs in marketing and what belongs in ambassadors. There's some overlap, for sure, but in time people will be able to make a better distinction 15:15:05 no, not give time! 15:15:26 Then what do you propose? 15:15:58 I recognized in ur schedule there is a talk about last "ambassador" meeting 15:16:06 I make a point there 15:16:11 okay 15:16:21 then we'll return to this topic at that point 15:16:29 going further down the list.... 15:17:19 My action item for "Beginner Liaison" information. We have a page, but we need to fix the URL currently. Wiki team with Dominian is working on it. 15:17:36 suseROCKs: its fixed 15:17:37 :) 15:17:43 Should be redirecting properly now 15:17:47 But you can review if you wish and add comments. I'll greatly appreciate feedback on it. http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_Liason 15:17:54 ahh ok let me test... 15:17:54 I've poked henne to look at the redirect removal so it gets done properly 15:18:09 huzzah 15:18:20 okay the new and permanent link is now http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_Liaison 15:18:39 bah! 15:18:48 suseROCKs: no its not fixed the redirect worked.. the move didn't take. 15:18:51 that's it 15:18:52 I'm fixing it RIGHT now 15:19:10 ok :-) 15:19:18 oh wait 15:19:21 you spelled it wrong 15:19:23 Little L 15:19:25 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_liaison 15:19:26 that page dont exist 15:19:26 not big L 15:19:38 per naming conventions of the wiki :) 15:19:48 had me all flustered! 15:19:56 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_liaison <---- works 15:20:02 great thanks 15:20:10 :) 15:20:11 no problem 15:20:13 I've linked it from the Marketing jobs page 15:20:20 Dominian: perfect, well done 15:20:27 CarlosRibeiro: thanks! 15:20:32 AJaeger, Perfect. I was waiting for the URL fix before linking it. Thanks 15:21:04 So please, folks. There's lots of creative ways to be a liaison, so your feedback on this page is greatly appreciated 15:21:25 Moving along the list of AI's, AJ and me to keep up with OBS for next press release. AJ, any date on OBS 2.1 release yet? 15:21:39 I'm working on saving up some money so I can get a shirt and messenger bag.. but might be a while.. that should help with some of th emarketing and being a liasion as I'll have the 'gear' on me :) 15:21:44 suseROCKs: Not yet 15:21:56 ok 15:22:11 suseROCKs: I do have feedback on that page, should I make edits or mail it? (sorry for late response) 15:22:21 jospoortvliet: Which page? 15:22:29 http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_liaison 15:22:33 jospoortvliet, use the discussion link. i think that's best 15:22:39 ok 15:23:15 jospoortvliet, but if you have stuff to add, just go ahead and add. You know, use your judgement whether something is add-able or discuss-able :-) 15:23:31 suseROCKs: I would suggest to make minor edit directly, otherwise discuss on the opensuse-marketing mailing list. 15:23:48 Ok I think we have covered most of the AI's. There's a couple that are Ambassador related, and we'll save that for the Ambassador topic 15:23:54 AJaeger, Okay 15:24:05 for what is that marketing liason whats that for bullshit 15:25:10 gnokii: I don't like the term much either but the concept is simple: someone who helps in marketing a certain sub project 15:25:21 gnokii, as we have been discussing for many months now, we encourage individuals to seek out teams in openSUSE to be more aware of any promotional opportunities 15:25:44 and at last meeting, we decided to create some liaison page to give guidance to those who are interested in that. 15:25:47 jospoortvliet: there are some doubled tasks fro "marketing liason" and "ambassadors" 15:25:56 eg the openSUSE apache team might need a bit more visibility. You might be interested in helping out, so you can eg write about them in a blog, in articles, on the website, etcetera 15:26:05 no there's a difference between liaison and ambassadors 15:26:09 ambassadors so something for all of opensuse in a specific region 15:26:20 ambassadors work outside, whereas liaison keeps tabs on things happening internally 15:26:25 liasons do something for a small part of openSUSE for the whole world 15:26:29 it's like the other way around 15:26:39 as suseROCKs said... 15:26:48 it helps people to become "subject matter experts" in their chosen area 15:26:52 this is just what I gather from seeing the page 5 seconds, of course, the plan might have been different 15:27:07 we had something like that in KDE but never formalized like this... 15:27:12 you got it right, jospoortvliet 15:27:24 jospoortvliet: +1 15:27:27 suseROCKs: Do we have already any liaisons? I would list them on the page 15:28:03 AJaeger, right now, you and I are OBS liaisons, and rtyler is Smeegol liaison. I'm hoping to see others become KDE or GNOME liaisons, and build further from there. 15:28:07 I never discussed "liason" its like always its dictade from suseROCKs 15:28:29 * AJaeger will update the pages now... 15:28:34 suseROCKs: I must say you guys spend a lot of time on planning and creating these pages and stuff. In basis, that's OK, but you do also need ppl to do it. I would suggest for something like this to keep the page short and let ppl sort it out - once we have some 'liasons' they can organize themselves. Just a general opinion, not saying it's bad to plan... 15:29:00 jospoortvliet, We do have some liaisons. See above :-) 15:29:18 suseROCKs: ok. So they should be in charge of the page for sure :D 15:29:27 sure 15:29:36 gnokii: but you must agree it is not a bad idea, wheter it was discussed or not. If it wasn't that sucks a bit, but if there are ppl doing it it is fine to formalize it a bit 15:30:29 no I dont agree 15:30:31 it's been discussed many times that we have some sort of embedded relationship with various teams. It was only in the last meeting that we came up with the term "liaison" but it wasn't a formally decided name, just a quick name to define the task 15:30:55 suseROCKs: u like to kidding me I always locked in here nver saw a discussion 15:31:15 gnokii: ok but you can't see every discussion, neither can I... 15:31:26 jospoortvliet: I can 15:31:26 gnokii: so you don't like the name or don't you like the concept itself? 15:31:58 gnokii: hehe ok if you read every discussion I suggest to drink more beer and get a girlfriend (or boyfriend, whatever tickles you) ;-) 15:32:06 or gnokii dislike both name and concept? 15:32:11 that have nothing to do with name or the concept its more how its done especially after suseROCKs called me last meeting a "dictator" 15:32:25 gnokii: aaah ok 15:32:42 that makes sense, and it's understandable if you feel like it's being cooked up by one person 15:33:04 however - imho that process fits in very much with FOSS: who codes, decides. Then once it is presented, others can comment, suggest, change 15:33:07 its a little bit ugly, to bring up such things hidden after a schedule 15:33:37 aha jospoortvliet I code a little bit more so I make some decissions! 15:34:26 gnokii: please, it's not personal, did you forgot the lines "have a lot fun" ? the only think suseROCKs are doing is trying to help us to take our marketing level to the next step 15:34:33 well suseROCKs brought it up now, maybe a bit late, but are you OK with the concept itself? 15:35:04 CarlosRibeiro: the marketing team gets not forward on this way and thats the problem 15:35:20 jospoortvliet: no 15:35:48 gnokii: CarlosRibeiro I think this doc is a step forward, why would it not be? 15:35:49 I am not ok with this, he can schedule it next meeting 15:35:57 seriously dude, why would this be delayed? 15:36:11 so every from us here can think about it, and then 15:36:50 gnokii: so isn't that exaclty what suseROCKs proposed? "here it is, look at it, comment" 15:36:56 * gnokii not who codes decides, in a team should every opinion heard and thats how a floss community works 15:37:12 gnokii: Having the page does not mean, it's cast it stone. constructive comments are welcome 15:37:39 AJaeger: the problem is it was hidden behind a schedule! 15:37:47 gnokii: So, we're on the same page: Send your comments on the mailing list - and let's continue there this topic so that everybody has time to read it... 15:37:56 that's not hidden, it's on the schedule so you can see it 15:38:01 gnokii: It's not hidden 15:38:08 it's introduced now 15:38:15 it's good to do things that way, how else? 15:38:28 jospoortvliet: I looked yesterday after the schedule and I subscribed the rss of wiki never saw the canges! 15:38:30 "this week on the schedule: I want to introduce something next week, can I put it on the schedule"? 15:38:34 I suggest to take an AI on this one and move one 15:38:35 aaah ok 15:38:41 so you have a problem with late schedule change 15:39:06 well that's a valid point, let me say sorry for suseROCKs for that, I'm sure he didn't want to push this through throats this way... 15:39:07 #action suseROCKs to start discussion about Liasion on mailing list and ask for comments 15:39:17 otherwise let's indeed move on. 15:39:18 this way is ok 15:39:25 gnokii: ok 15:39:26 cool 15:40:01 jospoortvliet: I have a little problem like from suseROCKs here is handeld other opinions thats all and I fight against the behavior now 15:40:31 ok, well at least we agreed, that personal stuff we should maybe discuss some other time... 15:40:47 btw for all - need to go now, beer is waiting for me... sorry, I feel bad about it... 15:40:59 I will respond to the meeting notes! 15:41:07 appologies again. 15:41:30 Ok, let's move on to the next topic. 15:41:51 #topic openSUSE Meeting | Ambassador Recap (Carlos) 15:42:06 Carlos, can you give us a quick recap on last week's meeting and what's next? 15:42:12 sure 15:42:28 that would be a funny point too 15:42:31 last meeting we had good audience 15:43:00 about our next steps, we had a voting 15:43:28 so now I have a question 15:43:36 one good think that happed was a good interaction with ambassadors for all continents 15:43:48 the question goes directly to AJaeger and suseROCKs 15:43:57 ok 15:44:31 that show us that Ambassadors program must be keep going as a Team, because most dificulties that I have here, HeliosReds showed that also have in Japan 15:45:07 CarlosRibeiro: u talking about next steps and mean such things like "uniform" with this? 15:45:33 gnokii: that FIRST one was just a brainstorm 15:45:50 maybe at this point there is a little conflict 15:46:16 gnokii: if you follow our Ambassadors ML, you will see that some "next steps" like Uniforms, is not our priority right now 15:46:32 when u make a "brainstorm" u should first recognize the status of a thing 15:46:36 `while I'm still here,sorry but gnokii I think you should let CarlosRibeiro finish his talk first this makes things impossible to follow 15:47:07 first we had a brainstorm, that still running on ML 15:47:14 jospoortvliet: u said who codes decides and for this point I like to know if was my code so buggy that its taken from me 15:47:53 jospoortvliet: thanks... I will continue about "recap ambassadors meeting" 15:48:04 gnokii, Nothing was taken from you. A meeting of the ambassadors was called simply because we wanted to hear what Ambassadors had to say. 15:48:46 we still consider you a part of the Ambassador program, and CarlosRibeiro's only role was to drive the meeting (and results from that meeting) he is not taking over the Ambassador program. Nor have we declared it was taken from you. 15:49:07 we had some good feedback from most part of ambassadors 15:49:14 besides, why would anyone want to take anything from anyone else if there is so much work to do... 15:49:17 yeah at that is the first problem u drived a meeting 15:49:34 I mean seriously, if you are unhappy with someone doing part of your work - lemme know and I give you 10 other things to do :D 15:49:38 CarlosRibeiro: u had 10 votes from 179 ppl und u say thats good? 15:49:47 gnokii: it gives some idea 15:49:59 anyway good luck all be nice to each other I have to leave will read the full log later on 15:50:10 gnokii: the importance now is not only NUMBERS but QUALITY too 15:50:20 u are kidding me 15:50:44 quality means a few ppl decides for the masses? 15:50:54 suseROCKs: if no one have questions any question about last ambassador meeting, I suggest you to move on 15:51:18 we need to be productive and keep our focus 15:51:50 Nothing was taken from you. A meeting of the ambassadors was called simply because we wanted to hear what Ambassadors had to say. 15:52:04 aha so I have to see now votings for uniforms 15:52:06 gnokii, I don't recall anything being decisive. This was simply an opportunity to give ambassadors a chance to speak up, and they did. 15:52:29 u should better say "some" ambassadors 15:52:44 gnokii, As I responded to that email, and even discussed with CarlosRibeiro on the side, uniforms and some other stuff cannot be decided upon at this time. It's premature. I agree with you 15:53:06 gnokii: by the way, our VOTES, was only because U asked for, and for my surprise I dind't see your votes 15:53:19 so my next steps on ambassador program are others 15:53:39 I asked for votes? Show me where I did that 15:53:54 gnokii, great! So any suggestions how we reach out to those who did not come to the meeting or have not responded to the ML yet? 15:53:58 just to finsih and to make thinks clear, our ambassadors meetings was for give opportunity to listen other ambassadors needs and dificulties 15:54:07 not to decide anything 15:54:13 I am surly not asked for such stupid votes like "should we develop a ambassador landing page" 15:54:24 because the page exists 15:54:29 we even don't know what is need it, how will we decide something?!?! 15:54:42 gnokii, Please tone down your language. You can get your point across a lot faster if you don't ridicule others. 15:54:53 when u not know whats needed why u not aks for it? 15:55:18 suseROCKs: u called me last time an dictator never heard an excuse for it 15:55:19 gnokii: That's what we're doing right now, the discussions are going on. 15:55:37 gnokii, and this is different from you every week calling me a fascist? 15:55:49 Should I get popcorn or are we still having a meeting? 15:56:09 gnokii: Please shutup, this style of arguing is not acceptable. 15:56:14 AJaeger: maybe u doing that but without me thx, in germany thats a sign u are not happy with my work 15:56:22 Have we been using http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Presentations for anything? 15:56:30 calling me an dictator isnt acceptable too 15:56:37 Dominian: I'm using it 15:56:42 CarlosRibeiro: Work pretty well? 15:56:46 gnokii: You said you didn't want to be part of it and I therefore did not include you as you requested! 15:56:53 CarlosRibeiro: I haven't had a chance to really pour over it yet. 15:57:04 Dominian: I used it around release time 15:57:11 Dominian: I made some personal changes but is working very well for now 15:57:12 rtyler: ok good good 15:57:16 CarlosRibeiro: awesome 15:57:16 thanks 15:57:34 Just wanted to see how it was playing out.. discussion on the mailing list was going on about it.. thought it would be good to bring it up here even for a short time 15:57:50 Dominian: +1 15:58:14 ok is there anything more to discuss on Ambassador recap? Or shall we move on? 15:58:20 suseROCKs: Move on, please 15:58:23 suseROCKs: I'm skimming the mailing list. 15:58:29 see if there was anything, but please move on if you need to. 15:58:29 :) 15:58:35 Dominian, the link is not at the distribution portal, do you think we should have it there too 15:58:59 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team meeting | Wiki Cleanup 15:59:08 I'll make this one quick and short. 15:59:11 manugupt1: That's a good question.. probably best to bring it up with #opensuse-wiki and get everyone's thoughts on it 15:59:24 manugupt1: My guess, it would be good to at least link to it on the distribution portal. 15:59:32 SJ was driving this for some time in the Springtime, but has been distracted by other things including moving to US to start school soon. 15:59:34 as it does apply to everything as a whole and not just marketing etc 15:59:45 Dominion sure... 15:59:49 But we have to review all our old pages on the old wiki and make sure the new wiki is easily naviagable 15:59:49 suseROCKs: ahhh yes.. I was just about to bring thta up hehe 16:00:10 Dominian, bring it up as in "I'd like to drive this one"? :-D 16:00:13 If you guys are watching the mailing list Rajko brings up a good point in following wiki standardizsation. 16:00:24 suseROCKs: ha.. I wish.. I'm so busy at work it would be pointless to put me in charge of anything right now 16:00:35 Fair enough 16:00:57 I would love to be able to lend more of a hand.. with school here starting.. business here at work has quadrupled. 16:01:01 and I'm floored with work right now 16:01:31 suseROCKs: however, I have been going over the wiki and will be attempting to keep reviewing pages etc. 16:01:47 we are here in a wiki meeting 16:02:00 okay so anyone want to join with Dominian? I'll also be joining in as I have been looking at stuff in the last week too. More hands are better and we need to get this done quickly 16:02:09 I need to confess that I fells like a blind guy on war, when I step in wiki pages 16:02:15 We have too many "where is that?" questions popping up lately 16:02:36 suseROCKs: I added navigation links to your freshly created pages to make them easier to find ;) 16:02:50 One thing.. 16:03:04 AJaeger, Hmm I need to learn about that. I guess just adding category doesn't suffice? 16:03:05 If people are finding it hard to find things... the list should probably be updated with those.. 16:03:43 suseROCKs: I added the marketing_navbar (see first line of page) - and added links to it. Category:Marketing is needed as well. 16:04:07 Dominian, If you can help me a little I can transfer pages until a week before my exams 16:04:19 I will assist as I can :) 16:04:34 I'm still getting used to it all myself to be honest :) 16:04:41 ok so how best to proceed? Should we just email each other or? 16:04:48 So there are times I will screw something up and have to edit and undo things before I get it right 16:05:02 suseROCKs: Would using the mailing list be appropriate or ? 16:05:08 Dominian, I have never seen you screw up anything :-) 16:05:12 suseROCKs: ha! 16:05:14 liar! 16:05:14 :D 16:05:21 Let me check my emails.. 16:05:26 I think I have something from AJ with a list 16:05:51 * AJaeger does not remember what he said last week ;( 16:05:54 oh my bad its from Shayon 16:05:56 Dominian, Well that's the question. Do we want to spam the marketing list with lots of little tidbits or do we want to just have a small email subgroup amongst those actually working on it? And then give formal information via ML? 16:06:14 hrm 16:06:30 ahh here it is! 16:06:31 http://old-en.opensuse.org/Marketing/wiki 16:06:40 That's the list of pages that need to be reviewed/moved 16:06:40 My concern about wiki pages is about "translations" when we will have the chance to talk about that? 16:07:12 How are translations currently handled on the wiki? Does a translation team broadly handle all translations for the wiki? or is it on a per-team basis? 16:07:33 suseROCKs: I have no idea 16:07:40 no clue.. I think its a per team for the project effort 16:07:42 but I could be wrong 16:08:12 * AJaeger updates the Marketing jobs list iwth the wiki link 16:08:26 Dominian, I see a lot of pages have been moved... 16:08:30 AJaeger: that's the list I've been working off of 16:08:32 manugupt1: yep 16:08:37 The big thing is some of the 'older' stuff 16:08:52 Does it need to be kept? If so, archive it? How? 16:08:53 Like the YaST contest, meeting archives and all 16:08:53 moving is one thing. organizing or re-organizing them in a sane manner is the other thing :-) 16:09:03 right 16:09:26 The big thing I found is that some of th eexternal links are broken or moved 16:09:31 Dominian, I dont know I am asking you.. 16:09:34 So sometimes you have to hunt for the new link 16:09:53 I will take care of that moving and organizing.. 16:09:54 manugupt1: No idea.. not my call.. I'm just a 'helper' with the wiki.. I think it would be a good consensus with the marketing team to decide what they want done with older data. 16:10:09 So, we have Dominian and manugupt1 signing up for the job? Good, I add to the Jobs page. 16:10:10 Frankly, if its out of date and of no historical value.. drop it 16:10:12 ok let's just set aside and initially do an ML discussion on this topic. No need to bog down the meeting with the details like this 16:10:21 suseROCKs: +1 16:10:27 but good points have been raised, and I'll like to tackle them all. 16:10:31 ok suseROCKs 16:10:49 suseROCKs: ;) 16:10:54 ok so let's wrap up with the next topic 16:11:05 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting | Miscellaneous stuff 16:11:18 CAn you give me a minute? 16:11:29 * suseROCKs minutes manugupt1 16:11:30 Dominian and manugupt1: Please update http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_jobs#Open_Jobs 16:11:57 (Let's add http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=User:Dominian|... etc) 16:12:22 I am back.... 16:12:33 okay so... upcoming events? I have a request in with Ohio Linux Fest for a booth, waiting for their reply 16:12:41 meeting stil on? 16:12:53 you didnt kill each other? 16:12:55 jospoortvliet, yup but we're on the final topic wich is just miscellaneous stuff 16:13:22 thats good then I bring forward a point and I know jospoortvliet would be with me 16:13:25 * suseROCKs wants to know how jospoortvliet logged in as Billie :-) 16:14:04 So anyone else have any upcoming events?' 16:14:07 AJaeger: what are we adding? 16:14:18 Dominian: Your user name and full name 16:14:22 this is billes laptop im in beergarten 16:14:35 AJaeger: oh I see.. under wiki maintainer 16:14:39 as we are on miscellaneous, I have a point 16:14:40 Dominian: Yes 16:14:42 Dominian, yes 16:14:59 jospoortvliet: thanks for sharing that, I now have a delightful full day's work ahead of me :) 16:15:10 suseROCKs: We need volunteers to run the booth at Ohio Linux Fest. 16:15:15 AJaeger: done 16:15:26 AJaeger, I have 2 people so far, and I need to confirm with one more. 16:15:32 AJaeger, done.. 16:15:42 Dominian, manugupt1: Thanks 16:16:04 So I think we'll have good coverage of the booth. Looks like openSUSE talk didn't make it through though. 16:16:34 Does anybody need in the next three weeks openSUSE 11.3 DVDs? 16:16:54 If you have an event, just tell me... 16:17:00 AJaeger, Already contacted psankar 16:17:14 AJaeger: if you don't mid, I would like to have some 16:17:27 AJaeger, I was going to give you a request, but I need confirmation from OLF that we will have a booth before you go through the trouble of shipment. 16:17:29 CarlosRibeiro: Send me an email with details (aj at novell dot com) 16:17:37 rtyler: youre welcome 16:17:46 Or should you send to me anyway and if we don't get to use, I'll just do handouts in person, and forward them to others in US as needed? 16:17:57 suseROCKs: Since we sponsor OLF, I expect that we have a booth - if not, tell me and we withdraw sponsorship ;) 16:18:12 OLF ?!?!?! 16:18:20 Ohio Linux Fest 16:18:24 thanks 16:19:02 ok AJaeger I'll follow up on that 16:19:59 ok any other miscellaneous topics or should we wrap up? 16:20:11 Helping Hands 16:20:36 manugupt1, I failed to read your email yesterday :-( but go ahead and talk about it now if you like 16:20:53 Ok... one second let me open the document 16:20:59 sorry for bad connection... 16:21:21 jospoortvliet: are you using 3G in Brazil? 16:21:24 :D 16:22:04 anyone wants to go to meego conference in Dublin? 16:22:16 I did some research with Helping Hands a few weeks back and spoke to Rupert about it 16:22:44 Ok.. I took 2 distros into consideration, one is UBUNTU and the other one is Fedora 16:22:55 I found a huge amount of differences.. 16:23:28 Fedora is struggling as we are 16:23:35 jospoortvliet, I'll bet rtyler would love to go, but he's waaaaay out in California :-) 16:23:39 Reason being not enough contributors 16:23:57 Ubuntu on the other hand is lot more organised 16:24:09 jospoortvliet: u finance the trip? 16:24:20 They have irc classrooms and people are willing to spend time on it.. 16:24:41 Their schedules are well maintained and they do a lot of healthy work 16:24:56 manugupt1, yes that was the challenge we had here at Helping Hands in openSUSE 16:25:05 dear manugupt1 that we had last year and after it we decided to make it not in short time again, because it waisted our time 16:25:24 suseROCKs, gnokii agreed completely 16:25:30 GNOME Foundation has also expressed an interest in some sort of helping hands project. We should definitely set up some sort of consortium to pool all our resources together 16:25:38 I have an idea regarding this... 16:26:17 Why not take students itself who are looking for projects because in this way they learn and also provide a certificate of appreciaiton 16:26:38 Yes.. But we need to make sure there is someone who can chuck off the garbage.. 16:26:49 gnokii: the time chances the world too, maybe today is a better way to return to that point. Don't you think? Let manugupt1 conclude his points 16:27:15 dear CarlosRibeiro sure the world changes, but u not see when they change 16:27:36 Change is never ending; being prepared for that change is the task at hand. 16:28:00 Let me continue with ubuntu again... they have weekly sessions which are well prepared in advance 16:28:02 Dominian, Very astute observation 16:28:12 manugupt1: are you referring to jono @ home? 16:28:13 suseROCKs: I'm a philosopher by night! 16:28:24 manugupt1: I really like the idea, at least as basis for us 16:28:43 manugupt1: like 'class room' stuff? 16:28:54 Dominian, yes.. irc classrooms 16:29:10 rtyler, I did not get you 16:29:20 ok i give up bad connecdtion cu later... 16:29:33