15:02:32 #startmeeting 15:02:32 Meeting started Tue Jul 27 15:02:32 2010 UTC. The chair is suseROCKs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:32 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02:39 #chair AJaeger 15:02:39 Current chairs: AJaeger suseROCKs 15:03:22 Welcome Welcome Welcome gang! 15:03:54 The meeting of the openSUSE Marketing Team commences. You can find our agenda at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Marketing_meeting 15:04:10 1. Opening Comments (5 mins) 15:04:10 1. Recap of openSUSE 11.3 Launch (15 mins) 15:04:10 1. How did we do? What lessons did we learn? 15:04:10 2. Things to continue on 11.3 marketing (11.3 marketing is never done 15:04:10 until next version!) 15:04:11 1. openSUSE Conference (10 mins) 15:04:13 1. How are we doing? Everything on track? 15:04:15 1. openSUSE Ambassadors (15 mins) 15:04:17 1. Are ambassadors satisfied with 11.3 launch? What did they need to 15:04:19 improve their tasks? 15:04:21 1. 15:04:23 1. Ambassador organization (This will be ongoing discussion, not 15:04:25 concluded in this meeting.) 15:04:27 1. Miscellaneous Topics which may include: 15:04:29 1. Education/Helping Hands revival? 15:04:33 2. openSUSE Shop 15:04:35 3. Upcoming events 15:04:37 4. Smeego 15:04:39 5. Others? 15:04:41 Interesting copy/paste feature... hmm 15:04:53 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting in progress | Introduction 15:05:23 I want to give everyone a shoutout for the great great great work you have all done for the 11.3 launch. I'm so proud of everyone here for the hard work! 15:06:02 #agreed 15:06:04 :D 15:06:15 Today we're going to try to cover a number of subjects including review of 11.3 plus new projects to take up for the next few months. 15:06:17 suseROCKs: we'r.e a team - include yourself in thiS ;) 15:06:30 jospoortvliet: the work isnt done yet look at nightroses launch party page ;) 15:06:58 I have a favor to ask all of you.... before we proceed with the agenda. 15:07:17 fine, I'll put my pants on 15:07:19 We have a special announcement coming out tomorrow that unfortunately I cant divulge right now. 15:07:25 oh 15:07:44 But I would like to ask you all to keep an eye out for it and then get your soldiering on and spread it through the news to everywhere 15:08:10 gosh you make us curious :D 15:08:15 You can even go ahead and build up excitement today by spreading "Stay tuned for a special announcement tomorrow." 15:08:20 suseROCKs: do you have an estimated announcement time? 15:08:33 AJaeger, what time will that announcement go out? 15:08:35 rtyler: early US morning 15:08:44 eek, you guys are killing me :) 15:09:10 jospoortvliet, I like making you curious. You'll love the news when you see it, I promise. 15:09:10 suseROCKs: I'll try to get something up on omgsuse and depending on the announcement convince my comrade over at omgubuntu to give me some cross-posting love 15:09:23 suseROCKs: Since it includes Novell, somebody needs to be awake there first ;) 15:09:27 * gnokii sees only there is no news about studios gallery at news.o.o 15:09:52 they're not making Miguel the CEO are they? 15:09:57 gnokii, From SUSEStudios? 15:10:08 suseROCKs: yes 15:10:28 rtyler: maybe ;-) 15:10:30 rtyler: No comments from my sides besides that Miguel is a great visionary guy! 15:10:41 well SUSEStuddio is not an openSUSE project, although we do relate together. They should communicate directly with us when they want our help promoting them. 15:11:04 AJaeger: what, you recently said to me you hated his guts and were thinking about sending a hired gun to him... 15:11:15 AJaeger: early US time EST or PST? 15:11:19 heh troublemaker 15:11:25 suseROCKs: give me an AI to talk with them, there might be same things we can do together. 15:11:30 rtyler, expect maybe 5 a.m. your time. 15:11:46 oh crikey 15:11:48 #action AJaeger to talk to SUSEStudio about joint marketing efforts including Gallery 15:11:58 and I'm sure nobody will tell me ahead of time to schedule a post 15:12:05 I guess I'll just wake up unreasonably early :) 15:12:12 * gnokii reached what he want 15:12:32 rtyler: I guess 9am east coast... 15:12:34 ok so can I get a promose from you all to psych up the world before we move on to actual agenda? 15:12:47 suseROCKs: I promose 15:12:55 suseROCKs, i already started it on twitter the other day ;) 15:13:07 FunkyPenguin, The True Visionary 15:13:43 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting | 11.3 Recap 15:13:51 * FunkyPenguin gets back to troubleshooting 15:14:07 FunkyPenguin, We need you here at some point later during the meeting so don't go too far away 15:14:19 smeego! 15:14:26 AJaeger, Since you were the keeper of stats for 11.3 launch, could you give us a quick highlight on stats? 15:15:02 suseROCKs, ok i'll be in eyeshot 15:15:22 275 retweets according to the newest change I made to news.o.o with Matthew last night ;) 15:15:36 our mirror network was really great. 15:15:52 The announcement was read 60k times (normal news.o.o 10k). 15:15:59 the rest on my blog post 15:16:01 how did the digg article fair? 15:16:13 it went really good but we could have improved far better 15:16:16 I would've thought on a tech site it would've gotten a lot of hits 15:16:27 digg was bad, I gave up checking - it depressed me 15:16:38 bah 15:16:40 slashdot? 15:16:55 Dominian: no idea 15:17:00 With both of those sites, they are great media outlets, but unless you are 'well known' author nothing gets seen unfortunately 15:17:01 reddit was a wasteland too on launch day 15:17:05 AJaeger: I asked a few days ago yaloki to add an digg, twit this etc section on every article on the planet 15:17:27 the linux subreddit is heavy with Arch and Ubuntu users though, not very kind :( 15:17:27 gnokii: +1 15:17:28 gnokii: good idea... 15:17:39 just to add a point of that the ati-rpm I've build have be downloaded 681 times for 64bits and 281 times for 32bits 15:17:55 if anybody has suggestion for iimproving news.o.o, please tell me as well! 15:18:04 ok so we need to give our social networking efforts a boost for next time. Sounds like we didn't do as well as 11.2 in that area. But that's okay 15:18:31 suseROCKs: Definitely a boost - and don't allow wstephenson to become another kid ;) 15:18:43 AJ you said digg performance was suffering. Any clue why ? To help us to fix in next time? 15:18:44 AJaeger, We need more editorial review for news.o.o. There was a title in there in last week's newsletter that nearly gave me a heart attack when I read it on my phone on the road :-) 15:18:45 suseROCKs: I say it again not boosting that! thats not important 15:18:57 suseROCKs: Well, from what I can tell, there just wasn't as much emphasis on the tech sites for openSUSE as there was for 11.2 15:19:22 this launch wa sa great team effort - I learned a lot, not having a community manager gave us all a chance to step up. 15:19:23 gnokii, Why is it not important to spread the word? 15:19:45 please don't forget two important things : end of world cup soccer, and July is allmost hollidays :-) 15:19:51 AJaeger, Exactly. In many ways, even with dismal numbers, we improved as a team. And that rocked! 15:19:53 suseROCKs: IMHO, watching the social sites move and shift during the release, titles with version numbers didn't help so much, but titles with "New X in openSUSE 11.3" do well 15:19:56 CarlosRibeiro: no idea 15:20:20 suseROCKs: not to spread the word, its not the right way to think twitter and such things are the most important thing, btw. I never saw ubuntu on top hashs in releas time 15:20:24 rtyler, Good point. Sexier titling would help. 15:20:34 Digg/Reddit are **ALL** about headlines 15:20:40 "openSUSE 11.3 released" was a weak headline 15:20:58 "BP CEO PUNTS A BABY AND INSTALLS OPENSUSE" would have done great though ;) 15:21:06 yep, focus on what's cool and interesting works better. 15:21:07 LOL 15:21:15 rtyler: +1 15:21:19 not just in the title, but also in the announcement itself. 15:21:32 Wasn't openSUSE 11.2 big because it was when openSUSE started "defaulting" to KDE? What was big about openSUSE 11.3? 15:21:33 rtyler and we havent won anything with such things 15:21:48 * AJaeger is pushing FunkyPenguin already for the M1 headline "Get Smeegol with openSUSE 11.4 M1" 15:22:04 and more bullet points... 15:22:05 :D 15:22:17 big things are made up anyway 15:22:18 * rtyler dies from gunshot wounds thanks to all the bullet points 15:22:27 jospoortvliet: More bullet points will make henne really happy ;) 15:22:37 we do that in KDE - what's big this release? Nothing? Ok, we make this and this big in the announcement :D 15:22:45 heh 15:22:46 AJaeger: and it's all about henne after all ;-) 15:22:47 jospoortvliet: we just know bullet points 15:22:54 AJaeger, heh, no pressure ;) 15:23:02 Honestly, I was in charge of social media for the 11.2 release but this time I was on the road and couldn't take charge of that, so I can't really comment on how it went. 15:23:11 mmh the biggest thing in openSUSE is henne 15:23:16 heh 15:23:18 gnokii: +1 15:23:24 "11.4 - Now with MOAR HENNE!" 15:23:24 I think that is a real strength of KDE. Their website and release announcements always make me want to try KDE. 15:23:24 at least when it comes to beer consumption 15:23:39 Kmetamorphosis: thank you, we try to subvert you all :D 15:23:39 gnokii: no, henne has just the broadest shoulders 15:23:58 Besides, it's not like Windows 7 is all that much different than Windows Vista. The way you pitch things is *everything* in getting a product out there. 15:24:04 and yes, the news.opensuse.org site can use some improvements imho 15:24:06 michl :D 15:24:12 ok so next sub-topic of 11.3. What do we need to do to continue 11.3 marketing? It's not over until 11.4 is released! 15:24:27 and so can the normal opensuse site, as was said before - maybe have a separate "this is why you will love opensuse" site or something for non-tech endusers. 15:24:39 jospoortvliet: omgsuse.com ^_^ 15:24:44 rtyler: yep 15:24:50 but that's more of a blog... 15:24:57 jospoortvliet, that is exactly what would benefit the project. 15:25:01 omgjospoortvliet.com? 15:25:12 The site as it is very functional and very good at telling you what openSUSE is and how to get more information. 15:25:15 suseROCKs: hmmmmm scary 15:25:16 But it does not make people crave it. 15:25:16 jospoortvliet: Kmetamorphosis and I work on that :) 15:25:23 rtyler: you do? Cool! 15:25:23 jospoortvliet: the problem with such a page is we have not enough personal to doing that self 15:25:32 rtyler: get me involved 15:25:50 jospoortvliet: ping me out of band (tyler@linux.com) 15:25:56 jospoortvliet: omgsuse was launch a few weeks ago. Did you miss the big announcements? 15:25:57 gnokii: it should be written in a way which makes it more long-term 15:26:00 ok so what I'm hearing is that we need to build up website presence for continuing our marketinig efforts 15:26:03 AJaeger: nope 15:26:14 suseROCKs: yeah I think so, would help 15:26:22 and integrating it with social media somehow 15:26:30 jospoortvliet: +1 and thats the problem for this we need a person how has enough long-time power 15:26:46 gnokii: I think I can put in some efforts there... 15:26:51 suseROCKS, nothing like a major site redisign. The current site is functional, it just needs a default page that makes users want to find out more. 15:26:58 suseROCKs: We need more of these presentations and screencasts as well. 15:27:02 Kmetamorphosis: exactly 15:27:05 AJaeger: +1 15:27:13 rtyler: will mail you 15:27:17 AJaeger: +1 15:27:18 * Kmetamorphosis agrees with AJaeger 15:27:36 has anyone used the existing 11.3 presentations created by manugupt1 and CarlosRibeiro? How useful were they? 15:27:44 we need more input on release day of all kind enough tweets come from allone 15:27:49 Jus tfor the record: I work currently on a build service presentation that I will share with everybody once it's done... 15:28:21 suseROCKs: Let's send an email to the opensuse-marketing tlist to inform ambassadors about these resources 15:28:41 suseROCKs: I gave a product demo at the launch event - and put it up in the wiki 15:28:46 #action suseROCKs to inform ambassadors about 11.3 marketing resources on ML 15:28:50 AJaeger: there is a little communication problem with sending it to list 15:29:03 gnokii: what kind of? 15:29:15 not all ambassadors read the list 15:29:20 AJaeger: everyone has blocked you, tired as they are of your constant ranting about henne 15:29:33 (sorry long day, getting a bit annoying) 15:29:36 gnokii, so what are other effective methods to communicate to them? 15:29:47 write directly 15:29:52 aw 15:29:53 * AJaeger thinks we should discuss having an own ambassador list at one point 15:29:54 much work 15:30:00 AJaeger: just what I thought 15:30:02 AJaeger: +1 15:30:09 for announcing things, helping them do their thing etc 15:30:21 while not bothering them with strategic discussions 15:30:22 gnokii: We need to push everybody on the lists - that's what I try already... 15:30:36 AJaeger: I know 15:30:45 we do need to continue formalizing the ambassadors team more, and giving them their own list where they can seek support from each other is a good thing. 15:31:03 suseROCKs: Definitely! 15:31:21 But Ambassador Organization has its own topic in today's agenda, so let's hang on to that :-) 15:31:23 Shall I setup an ambassador mailing list? 15:31:26 AJaeger: btw u should remember all Ambassadors to remake her user pages 15:31:33 AJaeger: yes 15:32:09 ok I think we can close the 11.3 launch topic unless anyone has anything else to add? 15:32:14 suseROCKs: Give me those AIs once we're at tht eambassodor tpic ;) 15:32:18 Pegeout, Petrobras, Walmart, Banco do Brasil, HSBC, all have openSUSE, IMHO we need to ask guys from that companies to join Ambassadors team 15:32:27 * AJaeger apologizes for his son helping him mistype 15:33:01 where is walmart using opensuse? 15:33:16 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting in progress | Conference Campaign 15:33:56 gnokii, michl, how's things going with Conference? Any updates? Things we need to do? 15:34:20 suseROCKs: Do we want to do any marketing sessions or presentations? 15:34:30 * AJaeger asked already for an ambassador meeting 15:34:31 papers coming in - actually hourly now 15:34:34 suseROCKs: u should wait for the publishing of the program, the call ends this week so it makes no sense to concentrate on marketing for this topic yet 15:34:37 hobbsc: I know about walmart in Brazil, but I'm quite sure it's a worldwide decision. We need to find out WHO is using ? To invite they to join us 15:34:39 * michl slightly exaggerating 15:34:39 AJaeger: I could do that, marketing talk... 15:34:47 But what do we want do do about ourselves? 15:34:57 AJaeger, I'm tempted to set up an all day marketing hackfest the day before openSUSE conference starts. But wanted to wait a little bit to see who else is going. 15:35:00 jospoortvliet: You have an AI to give a talk with Bryen ;) 15:35:06 CarlosRibeiro: i can tell you they're not using it here in the states 15:35:11 AJaeger: I do? Ok :D 15:35:24 suseROCKs: a very very good idea! 15:35:27 CarlosRibeiro: at least not in the home offices, i'm about 20min away from there and know a ton of folks in their teams 15:35:37 at least i've not heard mention of it 15:35:37 * rtyler wonders if suseROCKs wants to sponsor some airfare 15:35:41 jospoortvliet: Or on your own - let's discuss how to dothis best. 15:35:55 hobbsc: CarlosRibeiro could u plz stay on topic? 15:36:01 sorry 15:36:01 ok quick poll: For those of you who are planning to attend the conference, would you be interested in a pre-conference Marketing Hackfest? 15:36:07 #action jospoortvliet propose a marketing talk for openSUSE conference 15:36:11 rtyler: submit a talk and add an estimate how much $ you need 15:36:31 rtyler: we don't have big money but some travel we're able to sponsor 15:36:35 suseROCKs: I'm interested but not sure whether I have time 15:36:48 ooh AJaeger I asked that jospoortvliet some minutes ago via twitter :D 15:37:10 michl, If we do a hackfest (and maybe some other teams want to do hackfests) do you think we can arrange to have rooms available one day earlier at the conference? 15:37:12 michl: I'll think about it, besides omgsuse and using oepnSUSE for ages, I have no SUSE-credibility :P 15:37:47 suseROCKs: if not at the conference we can arrange something at the offices 15:37:50 rtyler, its not about suse credibility, your talk should be interesting rgardless. it could be non-SUSE related 15:37:55 rtyler: just submit a good talk 15:38:07 * rtyler will think about it 15:38:35 ok so back to the actual topic. Anything we need to market for the Conference or are we on track? gnokii? michl? 15:38:55 suseROCKs: right now we're on track 15:39:09 ok then this topic is closed 15:39:11 there will be a separate meeting about the con on Thursday, correct michl? 15:39:15 wait for the publishing of the program 15:39:20 as we miss a program there is no much to talk about 15:39:40 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting in progress | Topic: Ambassador Program 15:39:58 #action AJaeger to set up ambassador mailing list 15:40:08 beside of spreading the word in general and invite people/projects to submit a talk and or attend 15:40:27 michl its a little bit late for this 15:40:28 AJaeger, Please include all current members of the board on that list as I consider board members to be de facto Ambassadors-at-large 15:40:41 pretty important for all, as of now everything is possible, be it a talk, a workshop, a hack session, what ever 15:40:44 * gnokii hust 15:40:54 suseROCKs: Please tell board members that I will do so 15:40:59 gnokii: we do this since LinuxTag or even earlier 15:41:01 sure thing 15:41:31 michl of course we did, but it makes no real sense to make 4 days before it closes marketing or not? 15:41:37 suseROCKs: AJ 15:41:45 yes, CarlosRibeiro? 15:41:53 AJaeger: yes, I plan to have a meeting on the conference on Thursday 15:41:56 anyway to have a IRC channel for Ambassadors in Brazil? 15:42:00 I need it 15:42:13 CarlosRibeiro: Just create one adhoc 15:42:19 CarlosRibeiro: where is there a problem so make one 15:42:23 CarlosRibeiro, why not use opensuse-pt? 15:42:47 /join opensuse-ambassadors-pt 15:42:56 no problem using pt, but I believe a special irc for ambassador will be much better 15:43:34 CarlosRibeiro, You can create IRC channel in instant just by typing /join #(channel name) or if you want to create a formal permanent one, talk to Darix so we can keep it under openSUSE management 15:43:43 CarlosRibeiro: how many Ambassadors are there actually? 15:43:45 But you cannot find people all the time on the ambassador list 15:43:53 opensuse-pt, have all related stafs for portugues, not for ambassador, and this is a huge gap 15:44:02 CarlosRibeiro: not bad idea at all. I would indeed create the channel, see if ppl want to get involved. Spread the word, if we can help, let us know... 15:44:12 CarlosRibeiro: suseROCKs and gnokii gave you the recipe 15:44:16 +1 jospoortvliet 15:44:35 ;-) 15:44:49 may i raise one question 15:44:51 ? 15:45:00 (regarding the irc thing) 15:45:02 btw I created long time ago a chan opensuse-ambassadors but it was never used 15:45:04 * AJaeger has just been promoted to chef for the day 15:45:16 darix, maybe. :-) 15:45:40 darix: Go ahead, Sir! 15:46:10 well rather 2 notes: 1. this channel is rather idle. so instead of splitting out an ambassador channel now, use this channel. and if you do an ambassador channel (or uses gnokii's) keep one ofr all langages 15:46:16 for all languages 15:46:24 i mean you share most problems i guess 15:46:42 and if 2-3 ambassadors talk about a specific thing for their country it wouldnt be so much noise 15:46:43 darix +1 because of that I asked CarlosRibeiro how many Ambassadors are there in Brazil 15:46:45 too many channels are bad 15:47:06 yeah having a separate channel is bad 15:47:09 we could also use the marketing channel for now, it's often very silent 15:47:10 there's enough channels already! 15:47:11 : 15:47:12 ) 15:47:14 i have no problem with regging more channels. but having channels with just 1-2 persons in it is waste 15:47:19 that's why I suggested to use opensuse-pt (or whatever the pt languge channel is) that way even non Ambassadors can hear and learn about what's going on 15:47:32 AJaeger: +1 on that 15:47:39 thats all from my side 15:47:54 ok here's what I'd like to do... 15:47:57 gnokii: I believe we have between 10 to 15 ambassadors here, be we are grwowing very very fast 15:47:57 suseROCKs: yep, depends of course on the amount of noise. But if there is too much, creating a new channel for a quick chat is darn easy anyway... 15:48:18 we have 26 states, and I'm looking fot at least 2 ambassadors for state 15:48:24 There's a lot we can do and need to do to formalize and clear up the ambassador program and that could take up to an hour of discussion. 15:48:31 And not everyone here is interested in ambassadorship 15:48:40 CarlosRibeiro: i see only 26 people here. so you need to get them here asap :p 15:48:48 CarlosRibeiro: u believe? I never saw 10 or 15 Brazilians on the Ambassador list 15:49:02 So how about we set up an ambassador meeting soon 9perhaps next week) and gather up as many participants as we can and just have an open meeting about what people like/dislike about the program 15:49:26 suseROCKs: bad idea 15:49:51 gnokii, To give CarlosRibeiro fair credit, he has been doing a lot of work lately organizing and working with ambassdors and potential ambassadors in Brazil. Doing some great stuff too. I don't want to make the bar too high for him. 15:50:17 http://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Ambassadors_list 15:50:51 gnokii, ok what do you propose then? 15:51:18 CarlosRibeiro: yep, 11 from Brazil, you Brazilians rock! 15:51:40 heh, I don't think people realize how large brazil is sometimes.. :) 15:51:45 Sao Paulo alone is enormous! 15:51:49 suseROCKs: the problem is to discuss that always does not improve the program, we made some improvements last time that should make efforts in future, thats enough right now 15:52:07 jospoortvliet: wrong only that with user pages count! 15:52:38 we need first the ambassadors talking and exchanging stuff - so far they are lone islands 15:52:44 jospoortvliet: because this I'm spending more than 60% of my time here ;-) 15:53:04 gnokii: I think you're too harsh 15:53:09 brazil and South america are huge potencials for the project but no one knows 15:53:13 CarlosRibeiro: well and it shows 15:53:17 ok so quick vote. Do we need to focus some time on Ambassador program organization or let it stand as it is? 15:53:21 CarlosRibeiro: fully agreed. 15:53:33 suseROCKs: I disagree with the vote in itself 15:53:37 I think the question should be: 15:53:37 jospoortvliet: no I dont because how shall we communicate with them, without a mail address? 15:53:46 who wants to put in time? if nobody, then it's moot anyway 15:53:59 One thing the ambassador program 'lacks' that I'd like to see, which only comes with official openSUSE membership, is an @opensuse.org email account. 15:54:09 jospoortvliet, well I would assume the "want to put in time" would vote +1 :-) 15:54:09 I don't mind using my personal account for now, but ya know how that goes 15:54:17 My votes is to spend more time on ambassadors program 15:54:18 gnokii: sure, it ain't perfect, but that's something we can fix. I'd much rather have someone go through the trouble of putting up their name but not finishing it YET, than not doing anything at all ;-) 15:54:27 Dominian: no way, look to fedora what they did! 15:54:42 gnokii: I fail to see how that has relevance to what I just stated? 15:54:52 I.. don't... like.. using.. my ... personal.. account 15:54:54 period 15:55:01 * Dominian shrugs 15:55:13 Dominian, the o.o alias address is treasured, and should only be given to those who earned it. Just signing up doens't earn you the right to the alias. 15:55:18 guys I'm afraid I can't stay much longer, need to go home and cook for a nice girl... ;-) 15:55:23 suseROCKs: I didn't say it should. 15:55:25 where is the problem to make a second account only for this? 15:55:35 gnokii: I have enough accounts as it is 15:55:38 don't need more 15:55:42 :) 15:55:52 for now using my personal account is fine. 15:55:59 I propose to have next week a meeting about ambassadors and invite the ambassadors for this! 15:56:01 I run the server, if it becomes an issue, I'll fix up another address etc. 15:56:06 but declaring I am an Ambassador and get membership and mail address - no way then we get the same problems fedora had in the past 15:56:06 AJaeger: ++ 15:56:09 thanks for your input jospoortvliet come back again sometime. We'd love to hear more from the community like you. 15:56:20 AJaeger: +1000000 15:56:26 gnokii: missed my point entirely but ok. 15:56:39 I'll just shut up now. 15:56:50 Dominian: Don't shut up! 15:57:06 and guys & girls: don't fight when I'm away! 15:57:23 Dominian: I believe we are a team, pls don't give up , don't shut up 15:57:24 jospoortvliet: In that case: Please stay ;) 15:57:25 heh 15:57:31 no Dominian I saw what u meant u like to have an o.o mail address with becoming an ambassador, and that isnt ok! 15:57:35 ok so we ahve more people in favor of a org meeting for Ambassador next week so let's 15:57:45 Who wants to drive that? 15:57:51 * rtyler nominates AJaeger 15:57:52 gnokii: again thats not my point. 15:57:53 * rtyler hides 15:58:03 #action AJaeger setup ambassador meeting next week 15:58:04 I really wish to be involved suseROCKs 15:58:09 gnokii: My point is, not a requirement, but ambassadors should strive to become 'members' 15:58:17 gnokii: but thanks for the assumption and letting me finish my thoughts. 15:58:28 I love people finishing my thoughts for me. 15:58:29 :) 15:58:30 +1 Dominian And let's end that discussion now. Point already made 15:58:41 agreed 15:58:43 Dominian: I agree completely - and IMO beeing ambassador for some time qualifies as member 15:58:44 dropped 15:58:52 Dominian: there is no problem that they become member 15:59:07 AJaeger: yeah. I've applied to be a member, but I'm doing more than just the ambassador as well.. wiki stuff.. buildservice (trying to at least) and marketing a bit 15:59:09 Dominian, or CarlosRibeiro You want to set up and drive that meeting? 15:59:25 Both of you have great insights 15:59:50 suseROCKs: Probably best if CarlosRibeiro could do it.. not sure what his schedule is like.. but for the next couple of weeks.. my schedule is up in the air.. work is going to get crazy busy after today 15:59:52 I like to do that, but I never did, I need a guide, or at least to learn how to do that, to be more prepared for the next ones 16:00:01 * AJaeger steps back if somebody else steps up - and helps where needed 16:00:05 if someone help me I can do that for sure 16:00:14 btw I asked the german part of fedoras ambassador steering commitee to come to conference 16:00:24 CarlosRibeiro: I can try and lend a hand if I can. Unfortunately, I can't say for certain on times I can be around etc.. 16:00:27 +1 gnokii 16:00:42 gnokii: and I do agree the way fedora does it is insane. 16:00:47 Thanks Dominian I really appreciate your hands 16:00:56 ok CarlosRibeiro you drive and Dominian you be vice chair I'll help you set up the time/date CarlosRibeiro 16:00:57 CarlosRibeiro: I'll do whatever I can as time permits :) 16:01:17 thanks suseROCKs 16:01:18 suseROCKs: You need to setup the meeting bot as well ;) 16:01:26 The reason for the uncertainty.. we are getting ready to cut a big network upstream off our network.. going to be crazy for a week or so 16:01:31 #action CarlosRibeiro and Dominian to drive Ambassador Program organization meeting next week 16:01:46 AJaeger, oh no worries, we all know I'm a meeting whore and am always everywhere :-) 16:01:59 * gnokii makes a prophecy 16:02:14 Negativism ensures prophecy 16:02:24 CarlosRibeiro: Same time and place as this meeting? 16:02:34 sure AJaeger 16:02:38 #topic openSUSE Marketing Team Meeting in progress | Topic: Miscellaneous subjects 16:03:02 ok let's try to move quickly on this one... 16:03:20 first of all is Helping Hands revival. We can probably talk more about this another time. But I wanted to mention couple of things.... 16:03:32 1) manugupt1 has expressed interest in helping to revive it 16:03:42 COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL 16:03:48 I am all for it 16:03:49 Helping Hands? 16:03:58 Can you give an a quick overview of what that is? 16:04:02 2) I met with Fedora Team marketing in Portland last week and they are interested in joint-work together on Helping Hands 16:04:38 Dominian, A couple of years ago I set up Helping Hands here in openSUSE to educate users about different things in the distro. Weekly one hour seminars. It was good but very time consuming and exhausting to round up presenters 16:04:54 ahhh 16:05:04 Hrm 16:05:04 It needs to be revived in some form or another, and revised somehow to make it more effective. We did have good turnouts 16:05:16 Well, dedicated site with tutorials or something? 16:05:22 suseROCKs: Don't make them weekly at the beginning. Better let's start e.g. every first Monday a month - and once we have routine, increase frequency.... 16:05:25 I mean I keep people saying something about screencasts or podcasts etc etc 16:05:31 Who knows, Dominian That's something for a new team to figure out :-) 16:05:32 AJaeger: ++ 16:05:36 suseROCKs: hehe 16:06:15 but the nice thing here is that going forward, it won't be a one man operation (me) it'll be multiple people and even multiple distros 16:06:42 suseROCKs: Sounds great! 16:06:42 And hopefully Helping Hands will go even farther. I had even talked about it with GNOME Marketing months ago. So we could really grow and openSUSE would be honored for creating this groundswell 16:06:59 ok so keep that idea/project in mind folks.... 16:07:02 Next on the list.... 16:07:19 openSUSE Shop. We don't give this much attention. Do we want to give this love? 16:07:24