13:45:43 <metalgod> #startmeeting openSUSE GNOME Team Meeting 13:45:43 <bugbot> Meeting started Thu Nov 25 13:45:43 2010 UTC. The chair is metalgod. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:45:43 <bugbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 13:45:59 <metalgod> welcome to the GNOME team meeting 13:46:02 <bittin> thanks 13:46:03 <metalgod> first topic 13:46:17 <metalgod> #topic Feature/Future plans for openSUSE 11.4 (vuntz) 13:46:59 <metalgod> ok so let's discuss Feature/Future plans for 11.4 13:47:10 <metalgod> vuntz: what we have done right now ? 13:47:38 <vuntz> soo 13:48:01 <vuntz> this is tracked at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_features 13:48:34 <vuntz> since last meeting, I'm not sure we got a lot of changes 13:48:39 <vuntz> we got rid of hal by default 13:49:09 <vuntz> and we kept updating a few components for gnome-shell, to make it easier to do the gnome 3 spin later on 13:49:11 <metalgod> you are working on suseconfig too afaik 13:49:28 <vuntz> not much progress there 13:49:39 <vuntz> I need to fix the rpmlint checks I introduced and the rpm macros 13:50:09 <vuntz> but if you look at the suseconfig things that are left in openSUSE for GNOME, it's only desktop-file-utils and glib2 13:50:16 <vuntz> we got rid of gdm and gtk 13:50:18 <metalgod> ok... i think this is really an important feature so we can maintain some compatibility with fedora/mandriva rpm's 13:50:35 <vuntz> so yeah, it's moving a bit slowly 13:50:40 <metalgod> ok 13:50:47 <metalgod> so what about GNOME 3.0 repository ? 13:51:10 <metalgod> afaik it's going to G:Unstable 13:51:12 <vuntz> I think it's worth mentioning that for this cycle, our two big focus are new packages and cleanup of old packages. Since we'll have an old gnome for the release, new features are not necessarily something easy to do 13:51:24 <vuntz> metalgod: we don't have a repo yet 13:51:32 <vuntz> I think we can start putting stuff in G:U, indeed 13:51:45 <vuntz> so if anybody wants to update packages to 3.0, they're welcome to submit them to G:U 13:51:53 <fcrozat> (and I need to restart my GNOME shell GIT stuff) 13:52:03 <vuntz> now that we got 2.32.1 in, we should have no big updates anymore, so we can have time to work on this 13:52:04 <peter_xos> x ready 13:52:06 <peter_xos> er 13:52:15 <vuntz> DimStar: am I missing anything? 13:52:19 <metalgod> fcrozat: can you submit some of your gnome-shell work to G:U ? 13:52:21 * peter_xos has gimp 2.7.x ready in home:mrdocs 13:52:24 <DimStar> I think that's summing it up. 13:52:25 <psankar> vuntz, new packages list is available at http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_new_packages ? 13:52:44 <fcrozat> metalgod: I need to resync with with git. And I'll push needed one to G:U 13:52:57 <metalgod> fcrozat: awesome... thanks 13:53:34 <bittin> Replace gnomesu by something more modern: me votes for gksu-polkit 13:53:35 <metalgod> ok 13:53:38 <vuntz> psankar: yes 13:53:52 <vuntz> bittin: yeah, that's the plan, but we need to chat with the security team 13:54:02 <vuntz> bittin: I started this but didn't get much answer from them 13:54:06 <metalgod> /me just updated the http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_features page wrt HAL removal 13:54:11 <bittin> ah ok 13:54:11 <vuntz> bittin: or, actually 13:54:20 <vuntz> bittin: the plan is to move to pkexec 13:54:26 <vuntz> (gksu-polkit was the old plan :-)) 13:54:27 <bittin> ah 13:54:39 <vuntz> if anybody wants to help with that, I have a list of things to fix 13:54:41 <bittin> i guess thats fine to :) 13:54:46 <psankar> metalgod, you may note that discussion with security team as an AI ? 13:55:10 <metalgod> psankar: why not ? you and vuntz ? 13:55:19 <psankar> metalgod, sure 13:55:49 <metalgod> #action psankar Talk with the security team about gnomesu replacement for Yast 13:56:04 <metalgod> #action vuntz Talk with the security team about gnomesu replacement for Yast 13:56:17 <metalgod> soooo let's move to the next topic 13:56:25 <psankar> vuntz, I wikk take that and relieve you for the rest :-) 13:56:30 <psankar> *will 13:56:39 <metalgod> #topic openSUSE Conference and Project Update (vuntz, Captain Magnus, Dimstar) 13:57:02 <vuntz> psankar: heh 13:57:06 <metalgod> so this is the first meeting after the conference 13:57:36 <psankar> I saw not many pictures of our openSUSE GNOME team from the conference. So any pictures ? and also anything to convey from the conference ? 13:57:54 <metalgod> vuntz: captain_magnus and DimStar or anyone i'm missing (sorry) that were at the conference can you please summarize what happened at the conference ? 13:58:09 <psankar> from a GNOME perspective that is. 13:58:15 <metalgod> happy moments, coding momentsm anything you like to add 13:58:31 <vuntz> unfortunately, captain_magnus couldn't make it :/ 13:58:37 <bittin> i was not there as its expansive to go from Sweden, might go some other time tough 13:58:37 <vuntz> so, what happened... 13:58:38 <vuntz> hrm 13:58:43 <psankar> :( 13:58:46 * vuntz looks at DimStar ;-) 13:58:56 <psankar> no icecream deathmatch ? 13:59:05 <DimStar> vuntz: hmm... I think the most note-worthy was the discussion with 'legal' for the codec installer / search 13:59:27 <vuntz> right 13:59:36 <vuntz> want to summarize it? Or want me to do it? 13:59:47 <DimStar> you have the niceer accent :) 13:59:49 <metalgod> vuntz: summarize please 14:00:28 <vuntz> we had a long chat with the legal team during the party 14:00:47 <vuntz> we explained what we can do (from a technical pov) and they explained what we can't do (from a legal pov) 14:01:09 <vuntz> we kind of found a middle-ground that would make installation of codecs easier 14:01:42 <vuntz> that need some work in gnome-packagekit, as well as a search engine for packages that can answer queries like "whatprovides" 14:02:46 <vuntz> don't really want to enter in all the details here 14:02:57 <vuntz> I guess I should really just write the summary of the discussion to the mailing list 14:03:04 <psankar> okay 14:03:09 <metalgod> fine 14:03:09 <vuntz> I don't think we can implement all this for 11.4, though 14:03:20 <psankar> anything came from the KDE folks ? 14:03:22 <vuntz> looks like we're a bit short in time 14:03:34 <vuntz> they weren't able to join the discussion, iirc 14:03:38 <psankar> okay 14:04:08 <vuntz> but since it's really gstreamer-centric, I'm not sure it would work well for kde 14:04:15 <psankar> okay okay 14:04:28 <metalgod> vuntz: there was a big GNOME representation at the conference ? 14:04:56 <vuntz> it was okay 14:05:16 <psankar> did anyone from SLED team came ? 14:05:44 <metalgod> psankar: sreeves_out i think 14:05:58 <psankar> ah yes. saw a talk by him on pulseaudio iirc 14:06:00 <metalgod> he talked about PA 14:06:00 <DimStar> yes, sreeves was there. 14:06:10 <metalgod> ok 14:06:12 <psankar> i think we cna move to next. 14:06:13 <vuntz> (sorry, keyboard break :-)) 14:06:22 <metalgod> next topic 14:06:34 <metalgod> #topic Bugday plans or Updates (Should call Alexander ? Vuntz) 14:06:49 <metalgod> psankar: i'm going to remove the topic about meeting minutes 14:06:55 <metalgod> we'll talk later 14:06:57 <vuntz> bug day plans 14:06:59 <psankar> metalgod, ah okay 14:06:59 <vuntz> easy 14:07:06 <vuntz> on saturday, we do a bug day about old bugs 14:07:13 <vuntz> from 10.2 to 11.0 14:07:21 <vuntz> if people want to help, please join #opensuse-bugs 14:07:31 <psankar> neat 14:07:33 <vuntz> I know we have tons of old GNOME Bugs, so help welcome 14:07:42 <metalgod> vuntz: mostly closing market /obsolete/fixed/needinfo 14:07:44 <metalgod> ? 14:07:50 <psankar> and upstream ? 14:08:10 <vuntz> yes 14:08:17 <vuntz> it's mostly obsolete/fixed 14:08:24 <psankar> okay 14:08:26 <vuntz> or if bug is still valid, forward upstream and close as upstream 14:08:37 <metalgod> perfect 14:08:53 <metalgod> i wonder if someone can write a guideline for new contributors to help 14:08:55 <metalgod> would be nice 14:09:02 <vuntz> that's something I want to do tomorrow 14:09:06 <vuntz> we need doc for the bug day 14:09:49 <metalgod> ok 14:09:50 <metalgod> next topic 14:09:56 <bittin> :) i can translate doc to swedish 14:09:59 <bittin> if needed 14:10:08 <metalgod> #topic Any updates or call-for-help from Meego camp ? (FunkyPenguin, fcrozat) 14:10:09 <bittin> next 14:10:42 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: fcrozat soooo how goes meego ? 14:11:12 <fcrozat> I can't comment on smeegol, sorry 14:11:29 <fcrozat> (ie I don't follow it) 14:11:36 <psankar> I think we can skip it. 14:12:01 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: around ? 14:12:12 <FunkyPenguin> ooh is it meeting time already 14:12:14 <bittin> smeegol seems cool but i haven't touched it yet 14:12:14 <FunkyPenguin> sorry 14:12:22 <bittin> FunkyPenguin it seems so :p 14:12:23 <FunkyPenguin> metalgod, yes ive got an update 14:12:29 <psankar> ah good 14:12:37 <FunkyPenguin> ok i've started to get things updated to 1.1 14:12:47 <FunkyPenguin> almost there 14:13:25 <FunkyPenguin> i need to redo the icon theme as intel re-licensed it from CCBYSA to proprietary :( 14:13:38 <FunkyPenguin> thankfully hbons has given me what i need to do so 14:13:42 <DimStar> can't you take the set as before it was relicnesed :) 14:14:06 <FunkyPenguin> well as it happens i thought i had for 1.0, but have been corrected ;) 14:14:25 <psankar> FunkyPenguin, we cant make noise about it ? and make them reopen it ? 14:14:36 <FunkyPenguin> DimStar, basically that is what im going to do, but i want to add the yast specific icons to the source properly 14:14:40 <fcrozat> psankar: I wouldn't expect a change from them 14:14:47 <psankar> fcrozat, oh okay. 14:14:55 <fcrozat> intel wants to protect MeeGo brand 14:15:02 <psankar> hrmmm. 14:15:09 <fcrozat> and usage of the icon theme is limited to MeeGo compliannce 14:15:19 * psankar jopes meego doesnt follow the footsteps of iFolder 14:15:22 <psankar> *hopes 14:15:34 <FunkyPenguin> as far as packaging goes 32bit builds almost fine, 64bit needs some patches 14:15:38 <metalgod> psankar: at least ifolder got open sourced again 14:15:47 <psankar> metalgod, no comments. 14:15:54 <metalgod> eheh 14:15:56 <metalgod> ok 14:16:04 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: any call for help ยป? 14:16:42 <FunkyPenguin> err yeah - if folk can help fix the packaging of the handful of packages that would be great - about 6 in total 14:17:03 <FunkyPenguin> my next issue is how to go about reorganising the repos 14:17:22 * metalgod tries to get a netbook to help FunkyPenguin 14:17:39 <FunkyPenguin> im not convinced that smeegol/meego will make it into the core distro as it depends heavily on chromium 14:18:06 <FunkyPenguin> but if i can get someone to help get firefox supported in the same way then we have a chance 14:18:18 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: can you explain better ? 14:18:28 <FunkyPenguin> i spoke to wolfiR about it at the conference, and he doesnt have any time etc 14:19:06 <FunkyPenguin> metalgod, basically chromium is the default browser, and it integrates with the web panel app 14:19:09 <fcrozat> hmm, only the internet tab on meego is depending on chromium IIRC 14:19:13 <psankar> i believe there may be someone in SLED for firefox (/me once applied for that post). so pinging sshaw or sreeves_out may give some help 14:19:39 <FunkyPenguin> fcrozat, correct but that is part of the experience 14:19:55 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: so what's wrong in putting chromium in core ? 14:19:57 <FunkyPenguin> psankar, i think bgmerril is the man youre thinking of 14:20:03 <wolfiR> hrosik (Petr Cerny) is more or less responsible for internal stuff 14:20:09 <psankar> FunkyPenguin, okay. 14:20:20 <FunkyPenguin> chromium is too fast a moving target 14:20:24 <wolfiR> bgmerrel has left Novell months ago 14:20:34 <FunkyPenguin> oh really? 14:21:02 <FunkyPenguin> i wonder if jpr can advise then 14:21:15 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: but can't someone select a chromium release from 8.0 (beta) to add to the core ? 14:21:19 <metalgod> i don't see any problem 14:21:38 <FunkyPenguin> maybe, will need to speak to prusnak & tittiatcoke 14:21:45 <FunkyPenguin> they look after it in contrib 14:21:47 <wolfiR> FunkyPenguin: would be nice if you could write up some kind of specification 14:21:53 * prusnak here 14:22:06 <FunkyPenguin> wolfiR, ok i'll try 14:22:27 <FunkyPenguin> wolfiR, i didnt meant to make it sound like you were dismissing me 14:22:31 <FunkyPenguin> i know you're busy 14:22:46 <FunkyPenguin> so basically to sum up the smeegol update... 14:22:55 <wolfiR> it actually doesn't sound like a very easy task, and that's where the time constraints come in 14:23:10 <FunkyPenguin> ... im hoping to release 1.1 by the end of the year 14:23:46 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: anything you want to add more to this topic ? 14:23:49 <FunkyPenguin> vuntz, would it be possible to rename smeegol to gnome netbook? 14:23:57 <vuntz> FunkyPenguin: hrm 14:24:02 <FunkyPenguin> or NetbookGNOME ? 14:24:02 <metalgod> FunkyPenguin: gnome-netbook ? 14:24:04 <vuntz> FunkyPenguin: don't know 14:24:10 <fcrozat> why GNOME ? 14:24:20 <metalgod> i'm not sure if meego as anything to do with GNOME 14:24:34 <metalgod> even more with them porting apps to Qt 14:24:49 <bittin> i think smeegol is a great name 14:24:52 <prusnak> FunkyPenguin: if you are forced to change Smeegol name I would go back to Goblin 14:24:55 <psankar> +1 14:25:00 <bittin> +1 14:25:01 <prusnak> but otherwise i would stick to Smeegol 14:25:04 <FunkyPenguin> yeah ok 14:25:11 <FunkyPenguin> i was just thinking out loud 14:25:35 <metalgod> goblin is nice 14:25:42 <FunkyPenguin> well im still waiting on the LinuxFoundation, Intel & Nokia to respond to my questions 14:25:44 <metalgod> or openSUSEgo 14:26:17 <psankar> metalgod, '$ME'go ;-) ? (bad joke) I think we can move to next. 14:26:45 <metalgod> psankar: ouch it reminded me perl 14:26:47 <metalgod> ok 14:26:49 <metalgod> people 14:26:50 <metalgod> next topic 14:27:12 <metalgod> #topic Packaging needs for 11.4 (everyone) 14:27:29 <psankar> i think vuntz covered it in the previous url. so we can skip it. 14:27:34 <metalgod> so for 11.4 we have a focus that is adding more GNOME/Gtk applications 14:27:36 <metalgod> to this topic 14:27:41 <metalgod> errr 14:27:51 <psankar> please contribute packages in : http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GNOME_new_packages 14:27:59 <metalgod> so if someone have a application request please add it to this page ^ 14:28:04 <metalgod> thanks psankar 14:28:13 <vuntz> hrm 14:28:20 <vuntz> please don't add application request to the page 14:28:28 <vuntz> send a mail to opensuse-gnome or tell it here 14:28:38 <metalgod> hmm yes actually sound better 14:28:38 <psankar> okay 14:28:43 <metalgod> so we don't get the page spammed 14:28:51 <vuntz> I've a huge list of application requests, and I'm slowly updating the wiki page to make sure we don't have too many at once 14:29:15 <bittin> gnome-mplayer ? 14:29:19 <metalgod> i think a nice step we can do it to integrate gtk bindings 14:29:30 <metalgod> like ruby that DimStar did 14:29:32 <bittin> also a +1 for smuxi 14:29:43 <metalgod> bittin: smuxi is on Mono repo 14:30:00 <bittin> ah was on that site so i thinked but 14:30:30 <psankar> metalgod, do you think we can ask someone from mono team to submit it under GNOME ? 14:30:31 <metalgod> gnome-mplayer should stay on packmann 14:30:44 <metalgod> psankar: i don't see a problem 14:31:03 <psankar> okay. 14:31:14 <metalgod> asking ajorg if he can SR smuxi to G:A 14:31:36 <metalgod> #action psankar ask ajorg (mono team) if someone can SR smuxi to G:Apps 14:31:38 <bittin> i don't know all application rules and can zypper install so maybe i should just keep silent 14:31:46 <psankar> neat 14:32:17 <metalgod> bittin: no please say... we are happy to hear your opinions 14:32:21 <vuntz> note that it's fine if smuxi stays in M:C, as long as it's maintained :-) 14:32:59 <metalgod> ok 14:33:00 <psankar> okay. but not many people may have M:C in the lsit of default repositories which is why I thought so. 14:33:00 <metalgod> next topic 14:33:19 <metalgod> #action Feedback/Issues with 11.4 milestone builds 14:33:28 <metalgod> i think we can skip this topic 14:33:32 <vuntz> well 14:33:46 <vuntz> I'd love to hear about the big issues people have with GNOME in the milestones 14:34:07 <vuntz> since this indicates what we should fix :-) 14:34:10 <psankar> I had one issue. but not sure if it is still happening. empathy was crashing when somoen nearby pinged me 14:34:17 * metalgod have migrated to Factory yet 14:34:20 <psankar> i will check with the latest build and will update 14:35:47 <psankar> metalgod, i think we can move on. 14:35:50 <metalgod> ok 14:35:52 <metalgod> next topic 14:35:59 <metalgod> #action Q & A 14:36:01 <metalgod> errr 14:36:04 <psankar> i have one question 14:36:05 <metalgod> #topic Q & A 14:36:09 <metalgod> shoot psankar 14:36:34 <psankar> It isn't GNOME specific. What happened to the new booster position ? will it be filled ? 14:37:08 <vuntz> yeah 14:37:15 <metalgod> psankar: maybe you should ask Klaas about it 14:37:33 <psankar> okay :-) 14:37:52 <metalgod> ok this isn't really a question is more a topic 14:37:59 <metalgod> it's about 11.3 updates 14:38:09 <metalgod> i've been dealing with a few 14:38:29 <metalgod> and i would like if anyone feels that their 11.3 system breaks with anyhting 14:38:38 <metalgod> a msn protocol or a gtalk change 14:38:44 <metalgod> please open a bug and ping me 14:38:55 <psankar> I had icq breakage but that was bcos of the server 14:38:57 <metalgod> i think it's really important for us to have a functional stable release 14:39:13 <psankar> and tehn onwards we need to use icq without ssl :( 14:39:15 <metalgod> same for gwibber and twitter (in my TODO) 14:39:23 <metalgod> psankar: please open a bug 14:39:34 <metalgod> i guess we can try to get pidgin 2.6.7 in 11.3 14:39:35 <psankar> metalgod, there is a bug already open by _Marcus_ 14:39:41 <metalgod> fixes most of those issues 14:40:02 <psankar> we may need to check if the kopete guys have found a way for icq to work with ssl 14:40:07 <bittin> can this be to any help?: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/MSNCertIssue 14:40:15 <psankar> and if it there is a way we need to fix pidgin as well 14:40:17 <vuntz> metalgod: want to take care of the pidgin bugs? 14:40:28 <metalgod> bittin: according to pidgin upstream it's fixed on 2.6.7 14:40:42 <metalgod> vuntz: yes i'm talking a few bugs that got things broken on 11.3 14:41:01 <metalgod> s/talking/taking 14:41:01 <vuntz> metalgod: bug 655477 and bug 655675 14:41:07 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 655477 in openSUSE 11.4 (GNOME) "pidgin: unable to validate MSN certificate" [Normal,New] https://bugzilla.novell.com/655477 14:41:09 <bugbot> openSUSE bug 655675 in openSUSE 11.2 (GNOME) "pidgin 2.6.6 ICQ broken" [Major,Needinfo] https://bugzilla.novell.com/655675 14:41:21 <metalgod> vuntz: yes i'll try to get 2.6.7 in updates for 11.3 14:41:26 <vuntz> metalgod: feel free to go ahead there 14:41:32 <metalgod> it's best than backport the fixes 14:41:41 <DimStar> Pidgin 2.7.7 completely fixes the MSN certificate issue, enables multiple MSN logins, and fixes the AIM SSL Handshake Failure error. 14:41:46 <DimStar> (from the pidgin.im website) 14:41:54 <metalgod> DimStar: i'm following the bug upstream 14:42:13 <metalgod> ok 14:42:16 <metalgod> any question ? 14:42:19 <vuntz> metalgod: please comment on the bugs asap if you're taking care of them, so the maintenance team can know it's you 14:42:26 <metalgod> vuntz: ok 14:42:33 <metalgod> doing it right now 14:42:42 <vuntz> thanks a lot for doing those updates, btw. It's most useful! 14:42:48 <metalgod> vuntz: no problem ;) 14:42:51 <psankar> +1 thanks 14:43:01 <metalgod> people any questions ? 14:43:04 <metalgod> bittin: ? 14:43:11 <bittin> no i don't have any 14:43:17 <metalgod> ok 14:43:32 <metalgod> so thanks everyone for participating on the openSUSE-GNOME meeting 14:43:36 <metalgod> see you soon 14:43:45 <metalgod> #endmeeting